Trump's head of technology transition team opposes net neutrality

Move out to Canada. OpenBSD already did a long time ago because America is not a developed first-world country.

>>57551562
>drumpfkins

>>57551562
>US
>Opposition to net neutrality
Shocking!

>>57551562
>check site
>80% are trump bashing articles, the video of hillary's acceptance speech and a clickbait article titled: guy announces marriage on facebook, here's what happened

>>57552169
you mean some one try to bash trump even if he was not for the TTP and and assuming HillCunt would be against it
no way some one would do that on /g/

>>57551562
>net neutrality
>>57551625
>>57551675
>>57552153
>>57552169
>>57552207
>we need more regulation and more laws!
>My SJW rhetoric trumps your rights

Mr. Trump you can not make America great again soon enough.

>>57552245
Found the AT&T shareholder!

>>57552245
>net neutrality
>trumps your rights
wat?

>>57552245
Title II is not new, it's an existing order that was applied to existing media for transporting data. The only thing new about it was that the cable companies keep having themselves exempted from it.

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>>57552272
If a corporation doesn't have a right to exploit its monopoly at the expense of the customers, then what right does it have?

>>57552245
>Mr. Trump
you slug

>>57552272
>>57552291
>big government will solve my problem!

K, liberal.

>>57552307
>big corporation will solve my problem!

You're either a useful idiot or a bourgeois yourself.

>>57552318
>all corporations are bad
>some eceleb told me so

>>57552307
>net neutrality
>big government
wat?

>>57552245
>le sjw bogeyman

>>57552332
>edgy teen thinks social injustice is cool and neonazism is okay

Your containment board is that way: >>>/pol/

>>57552307
>>57552318
We've all seen how good it worked for the trade market

>>57552332
>>57552337
should we deregulate pharma

>>57552337
But nazis were for social justice

>>57552332
Maybe not every corporation but for sure every ISP.

>>57552334
Oh you're one of those special liberals that doesn't realize you need big government to enforce regulations like net neutrality.

Shall we put a flat price for all books too? Arrest the those scummy corporations that think otherwise.

>>57552344
Maybe to some extent, regulation is literally why companies can charge billions.

Probably reducing the length of patent protection to 5 years and speeding up the approval process for generic drug makers would be best...

>>57552362
there are useful regulations, go change your diapers pol-fag

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>>57552343

We've seen how "freeing up the markets" worked well for the energy market.

>>57552337
>fumb liberal thinks the Nationalist SOCIALIST party wasn't a left wing nutjob party
My favorite lie the SJWs like to tell.

>>57552368
you are arguing in favor of regulation there

>>57552349

Yeah. For whites only.

>>57552386
How so?

>>57552383
>NATIONALIST socialist

nationalist literally comes FIRST

>>57552383

Oh look, the guy who thinks nazis and /pol/ are left-wing again. Reminder to ignore and hide this troll masterbaiter.

>>57552387
So? None whites have no bussiness in white countries

>>57552400
that's why a 1/3 of UK doctors are foreign BORN

>>57552362
>Big government
>Implying US has a small one
>The one country who keeps trying to fuck with Net Neutrality on a daily basis
>>57552383
Riight, because it's not captalist countries trying to fuck with net neutrality, it's clearly the socialist ones.

>>57552337
You associated libertarianism to neonazism in a single post, how desperate you?

>>57551562
Time to systematically get rid of all the stuff we could respect you guys over in the USA for?

>>57552291
Keeping capitalism alive means keeping competition alive with regulation.

Companies have no rights to having a monopoly, ever. If they have one, they should be split in two separate units, forcibly.

>>57552395
>How so?
you either have regulation or no regulation

read your previous post again, are you arguing for no regulation there

>>57552400
0/10

>>57552396
>>57552397
Libs
>mass regulations
>ban all guns
>limits free speech
>kill whitey
Same thing as Nazis just change the last part to degenerates.
Yes they are extremely left wing.

>>57552362
>Shall we put a flat price for all books too
Digital editions of school/university books should be much cheaper

>>57552423
>Maybe to some extent

...
Regulation isn't a binary number....

>>57552427
>kill all left wingers
>be in the rich's pocket
>advocate extreme nationalism
>have fascist tendencies

yeah ok

>>57552396
And this matters how? They're not mutually exclusive, so even if there was an implicit relation between order and relevance it wouldn't matter.

>>57552423
>manichaeism
Nice.

>>57552427
>libs wanna limit free speech
Not true at all. Hate speech is not free speech.

>nazis banned guns
Damn, read a book once in your life!

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/

>>57552383
It wasn't purely right. It had left-wing elements (you know, winter aid, cars for everyone and shit).

But they're remembered for the shit they did for right-wing nationalistic, racist, expansionist, "muh traditional legacy of rome and german empires genuine Christinan" racial bias RIGHT WING war and crimes shit. THAT was the bad stuff we hate them for.

Not the fucking winter aid soup kitchens and clothing initiatives. Not the idea of "cars for everyone".

>>57552438
SOME regulation => regulation

>>57552466
>if I keep being a manichaean, I just might convince people!
Hate to break it to you, but most people simply aren't that partisan or ideological. Most people have common sense.

>>57552450
>Not true at all. Hate speech is not free speech.
This part of free speech is off limits!

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>>57552484
What you don't understand is that if you allow hate speech, then YOU are the one limiting free speech.

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>>57552460
>only right wingers can be racist

>>57552475
how the fuck does having "some regulation" not imply you have regulation

>>57552491
If I want to write a paper on how I hate niggers I damn well can because my right to free to free speech was given to me at birth.

>>57551562
>implying we weren't fucked either way
What's really funny is that these niggers thought electing in a big corp capitalist would help with their small time problems. That's not to say that Shillary was the better option though, she would have been just as bad, if not worse.
Write and protest to your congressmen. The more vocal you are, the more likely they're going to be in listening to you. Unfortunately, they're also in the pockets of big corp lobbying firms, so it's not like anything will change anyway.
>mfw americans think their bourgeois lawmaking overlords give a shit about them
>mfw americans think the free market will fix itself
>mfw americans still willingly pay inordinate sums of money to keep their lifestyle just the way it is instead of saving money for the future
>mfw americans think they'll get any real change to happen without protests
>mfw americans fell for the media meme that all protests are just a bunch of niggers looting shops and breaking cars
>mfw no faec

>>57552514
Nobody was trying to argue for ZERO regulation

>>57552522
>if I keep blurring the distinction between hate speech and free speech, people might end up thinking both are the same

>>57551562
>trump against more regulation among others also net neutrality
>wants a free market solution for this problem

Explain to me how this is bad.

>>57552551
There is no line.

So I can't make a satire like Blazing Saddles under your oppressive regulation.

>>57552557
the not-free-market-solution is better

>>57552557

>deregulation = free market
Boy, you're in for such a surprise!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1PtStipIsc

>>57552559
But net neutrality is literally tumblr shit

>>57552569

Okay. Do you watch Netflix?

>>57552575
STOP REPLYING TO CORPORATE SHILLS

VERIZON PAID SHILLS, OUT!

COMCAST PAID SHILLS, OUT!

AT&T PAID SHILLS, OUT!

ALL ISP SHAREHOLDERS AND EMPLOYEES, FUCK OFF!

>>57552557
free market solutions don't work well for ISPs, lots of folks only have one choice for non-dial up internet.

>>57552588
they are doing it

FOR FREE

>>57552493
Nah, but this WAS right-wing justified racism.

You know, their justification for racism was rooted in "christian tradition", "germanic-roman genuine aryan legacy", and all sort of traditional to reactionary things.

As was their justification for re-drawing borders and wars.

That's not to say that they didn't try to have some aspects of "socialism" too. I mean, they kinda condemned the jews for allegedly being too rich and power-grabby subversives in some poorly explained way... but that was also apart from being too anti-Christian / not really rooted in the region foreigners / genetically inferior / too lazy and dumb and asking too much money / not patriotic at all and all that right wing racism stuff.

As, again, was the predominant rhetoric and justifications for their wars, war crimes, extreme repression of dissenting voices and subversion of democracy and the freedom of press and all that. It was right wing stuff.

>>57552575
No.

Do I look like a pleb to you?

You didn't expect the billion dollar business man to be looking out for anyone other than large corporations, right?

>>57552318
>unironically using the word "bourgeois"

I think the board you are looking for is leftypol, friend

>>57552666
So the shoe fits? Good to know.

>>57552670
Middle class pasty white commies think they are common laborers or something. You are bourgeois too

>>57552380
>deregulate energy market
>expect more competition from energy producers
>electricity prices slowly rose but not excessively
>still regulate price cap for consumers to pre-deregulation levels for energy produced within california
>energy producers stopped building more power plants as demand increased
>energy producers sell all their electricity for a higher price out of state
>utility companies are forced to buy electricity for any price by law if there is a power shortage
>traders resell californian electricity at a higher price to mask their true origin
>utility company has to buy electricity for higher prices than before the deregulation

>price caps
>free market
Price caps are the most communist thing possible.

>>57552563
>deregulate something that hasn't been regulated yet
You can't make this shit up.

>>57552755
>i-it wasn't true capitalism
You sound just like the commie claiming the USSR wasn't real communism, kid.

>>57551562
Good bye net neutrality

>/pol/ fuck up everything again

>>57552412
I have to agree with you on this one, it's weird how so many americans blame socialism for stuff that's being done by captalism governments, including their own.

>>57553079
>America
>capitalist

>>57553138
>America
>Socialist

>>57553138
>>57553144
>America
>One country

>>57553144
Not sure who's calling America socialist.

>>57551562
kill yourself, shill.

>people that never dared step foot in a 100% black neighborhood calling anyone racist
lmao

>>57553198
>100% black neighborhood
>100%
You mean like some untouched south african tribe?

>>57553215
like chimpcago neighborhoods such as austin or englewood. i doubt anyone non-black manages to survive there for more than a few hours.

>>57553245
thank god all blacks live there

>>57552332
Big corporations exist for the sole purpose of generating a profit for their shareholders. Anyone else benefiting or suffering from their actions is irrelevant.

>>57553255
>making a profit is bad
>some eceleb told me so

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>>57553198
Like Martinique, right? Oh wait!

>>57553270
>Anyone suffering from their actions is irrelevant.
Funny how that part goes without mention by you.

>>57553270
>strawman

>>57553275
>island = neighborhood
leftists ARE this retarded. also, how long did it take you to find possibly the only predominately black area in the world where there isn't a sizeable article on crime?

>>57553280
>>57553282
>I'm too irresponsible to choose not to support a corporation
>It's not my fault that I keep throwing money at them
>The government should step in and hold my hand

>>57553303

Your forgot to mention how it's a developed country on par with such countries as Finland and Taiwan.

>>57553322
the people are the government

they act through the government

>>57553322
>What are monopolies?
>What are monopsonies?
>What is economics?

>>57553322
Fallacies 2: The Return of the Strawman

>>57553270
Making a profit for a small number of people is bad if it causes damages in excess to the profit generated. Are you perchance fucking retarded or something?

i predict that within the first year of his presidency half of trump supporters on here will have turned their coats

>>57553336
America isn't a democracy. It's a republic.
>>57553344
>>57553359
>Anyone but me is to be blamed

>>57553322
See >>57552591
You should have stayed in school.

>>57553376
>ISPs have regional monopolies
>it's the consumers' fault
Yes, blame the victim. That will sure convince people to side with you.

>>57553376
>Corporation hurts people
>It's the people's fault that comporation doesn't give a shit
Yeah, it's always the victims fault, isn't it? I bet you also think people who only have access to products offered by monopolies (because monopoly) deserve so.

>>57553377
>>57553386
>ISPs act independently from government control/regulation
Man can't imagine why there's no competition.

>>57553405
>buy shit product
>fuck corporations
>buys shit product again
>fuck corporations
>why wont corporations go away?
>government bail me me out!

>>57552591
>>57553386
This! I only have access to this one very shitty service and and i'd honestly be willing to pay for another provider, hell, i'd pay more just to have the option.

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>>57553425
Fallacies 3: Strawman's Revenge

>>57553425
You might have a point, but not when we're talking about regional monopolies such as ISPs.

>>57551562

>that moment when whitey realized they goofed

'grats, you just shot yourselves in the foot.

>>57553467
Don't buy it then.

>>57551562
>http://www.mcclatchydc.com/article115219623.html
I clicked on this link using a virtual sandbox shoveler and independent "froggy" cyberserum care package. As expected, this is a bad virus, probably the worst I've seen since my work as a freelance nexus merc working on blackhat ops out of Tottori.

I just had to reformat my harddrive, reset the diplomatic algorithm on my CPU, defragment my secondary echo transverser, repopulate my standard paramorph contractor with null terrahertz slipstarts. and reconfigure my wireless modem transponder setup with a Bayesian inference telemetry packager.

Needless to say, do NOT click on this link! You've been warned.

>>57553484
Kill yourself retard.

>>57553425
What is your opinion on the regulation, monitoring, and research of mycotoxins in food by the FDA? Sucks doesn't it, companies should be able to do as they please.

>>57553506
So let me get this striaght, liberal.

You refuse to not purchase a product but instead show that you're willing to pay for it. This is somehow not your fault?

>>57553477
Fuck off nigger

>>57553530
Liberals are incapable of feeding themselves without the government too I guess.

>>57553539
You can just not buy electricity, but I bet you'd still be complaining if your provider suddenly switched from 110V to 230V and killed all your appliances.

>>57553484
You can't be this dense...

>>57553573
You can't argue with hermit libertarians, they know everything and have so much worldly experience.

>>57553467
>>57553573
>>57553580
STOP REPLYING TO CORPORATE SHILLS

VERIZON PAID SHILLS, OUT!

COMCAST PAID SHILLS, OUT!

AT&T PAID SHILLS, OUT!

ALL ISP SHAREHOLDERS AND EMPLOYEES, FUCK OFF!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>57553580
It's less likelly that Anon is dense and more likelly that he is just a retard who think he is trolling someone...

>>57553573
US is 120v.
And no I wouldn't buy electricity if the retards sent 230v to my house.

>>57553586
>>57553594
Because I can independently live without the government I'm dense? Well I'm the dumbest person you ever met then.

Niggers and their ebt cards gonna nig I guess.

>>57553594
Or maybe, just maybe, he's a shill for ISPs.

>>57553608
>n-word

>>57553608
>Because I can independently live without the government I'm dense?
If you could, you wouldn't be where you have access to internet.

>>57553608

>my solution to the problem is just walk away from it and pretend it doesn't exist
>see how independent I am?

Only on /g/.

>>57553610
Nah, i'd expect a better job from someone getting paid, this level of stupidity is free and full of passion, but not monetized upon at all...

>>57552245
>Mr. Trump you can not make America great again soon enough.

The incumbent GOP pols who just go re-elected will make us as great as the glory days of the Bush Administration. Obama gave us the recession, the war in Iraq, and September 11th.

>>57553617
I choose to be for the service.
>>57553621
You're not walking away from it. You're actively not supporting it. The only reason that company exists is because you give them money. Not because you like them.

Why you libs think you need the government for everything is beyond me..

The only way to live is to live independently- no electricity, no internet, no currency. That's what I do.
If you need gain things from governments, corporations, or other people in general you deserve to die, and anything a corporation demands of you is an act of mercy of which you're not worthy.

>gov't decides to "free up the markets"
>privatizes roads
>big corp who owns the streets around your house also owns a brand of cars
>you're not allowed to drive in their roads if you're not driving their cars
>you own a car from another maker
>gov't can't force them to be neutral and allow all kinds of cars because that's "evil socialist nanny state"
>but at least now you're so free, enjoy your freedom

>>57553636
I choose to pay* for the service

>>57553649
>I should be able to piss on someone else's property
~Liberals

>>57553649
It's easier to see the problem with a more realistic scenario.

Imagine if AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, and TMobile all had different networks and you could only call people on your own network for free and if you wanted to call someone on the other networks you had to pay a fee. Obviously AT&T and Verizon would have the bigger networks and more customers so they'd become the two dominate forces and Sprint and TMobile would be left with jackshit. Eventually AT&T and Verizon would probably just combine because there's "no competition anyway lol" and we'd all be left with jackshit. Hurray free market

>>57553669
>I shouldn't be able to piss
~Libertarians

>>57553669
What's the matter, I thought you didn't like regulations? Or does that only apply to corporations and not real people?

>>57553697
>If I want to make the private roads flow with piss then the government should make regulations to force corporations to allow it
~Liberals

>>57553653
>Nuh uh, I'm independent from the system because I said so!
>I just choose to sign the contracts, hook up my house, and bend to the system, unlike these other sheeple!
>Shut up, mom! I AM a real libertarian.

>>57553713
>if I don't want people to piss on my roads, the government should make regulations to stop people from doing that
~Idiot

>>57553713
>I hate the internet
~Libertarians

>>57553725
I mean that's what my utility bills show. That I'm willing to pay for that shit.
>>57553727
It's a private road. You shouldn't be on it let alone pissing on it in the first place, liberal.

>>57553753
What are you doing on a technology board if you defend an anti-technology ideology?

>>57553753
>I mean that's what my utility bills show. That I'm willing to pay for that shit.
>Im different because of intentions, not my actions!
Cmon man, live what you preach. Else you are a fucking faggot.

>>57553753
>It's a private road. You shouldn't be on it let alone pissing on it in the first place, liberal.
That is not a priori the case. What's stopping anyone from taking a piss on it except regulations? If you're REALLY against regulations, you should be for people being allowed to take piss wherever they want.

1.50 gas incoming

also buy natgas for free money before the winter sets in, heavily oversold and will hit $3+ easily

>>57553762
Computers started as a free market before you came along. They even self regulated themselves with standards largely lead by IBM.

Crazy to think with the modern liberal logic of Government being needed for everything.

>>57553768
I do. I willing choose to pay for it because I want electricity provided to my home. If I felt it was not worth the expense I wouldn't pay.

>>57553771
>being a decent human being needs to be regulated by the government

>>57553806
thank academia for the computers

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>>57553806
>I do. I willing choose to pay for it because I want electricity provided to my home. If I felt it was not worth the expense I wouldn't pay.
>Circular reasoning: the poster

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>>57553806
>the first computers weren't state-built

>>57553817
>Expecting people to be decent

You have pretty high esteem for the human race

>>57553843
>state funded equals state regulated
k

>>57553817
The very existence of private property relies on laws and regulations. So if you think regulations are a bad thing, you should love the idea of people pissing on your roads regardless of your perceived rights.

And yes, being a decent human being needs to be regulated by the government. As shown every time someone murders another person.

>>57553861
>Expecting the state to fund shit without regulating it

I thought you were about not wasting tax money without any accountability

>>57553840
I'm not seeing your point. How is me willing giving money for a service that I can end at anytime bad?

>>57553873
shhh, dont point out logical inconsistencies, they just try to bullshit it away.

>>57553881
>How is me willing giving money for a service that I can end at anytime bad?
You tell us. You're the one who said corporate monopolies are our fault because we pay for stuff.

>>57553872
You can have private property with no regulations.
>>57553873
>the state can't buy things
k

What problem does libertarianism actually solve in any demonstrative way? Seems like all it does is privatize tyranny it doesn't really solve it in any way.

>>57553881
Connected to the untilites grid != living independently

also, by being able to post to this very form, you have proven that regulation works. And NO, I won't recite to you how the FCC regulations make that possible, google it.

>Inb4 nuh uh, it totally is, because I/litterallywho said so.

>>57553913
Yes I'm physically supporting the utility companies. This is fact.

>muh regulations bogeyman

Can you retards please fuck off? Adults are trying to have a serious discussion here.

>>57553914
>You can have private property with no regulations.
Literally can't
It's not private property if I can just show up, kill you and take it.

>>57553914
>You can have private property with no regulations.
And what, precisely, stops someone else from taking it or just claiming that it's THEIR property instead, if not laws and regulations?

>>57553928
Right so if I trade someone X for Y I'm not living independently... Got it.

>>57553941
>It's not private property if I can just show up, kill you and take it.
Yes and then you could claim it as your property.

>>57553948
>inb4 no such thing as monopoly of violence

>>57553948
Morals.

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Obligatory post.

>>57553980
Too bad there are plenty of people on this planet who don't share mine, or yours.

>>57553952
>utilities is just like goods exchanges, except I use money instead of tangable goods, and instead of a trade, Its more of a constant supply of a material.
>it's living independently because I said so

>also guys, i totally can do anything with the connection to the grid, i swear guize

Libertarians, everyone.

>>57553983
That's anarchy. Not the same as capitalism though they are shared on many points.

>>57553997
>any trade in goods isn't living independently
k

>>57553983
posting a meme pic is never obligatory

go away

>>57554018
>I don't know what living independently means
Keep going, lets see how retarded you can get.

>>57554029
>inedepently living means you're on a desert island alone
~ Libs

>>57554043
>living independently is subjective
~Libertarian

>tfw in Houston there is only 1 Fiber provider and they want $100/mo

This is highway robbery

>>57554054
No you're just autistic and took me saying living independently as the exact definition and not living independently from the government, which I clearly meant.

>>57553980
Companies, heads of said companies, and politicians bought by said companies (majority of dems and repubs including trump and the clintons) have no morals.

>>57554057
Well, Housten are part third world now.

>he does it for free
>he goes in /g/ and defends corporations armed with lobbyists and lawyers
>he defends corporate monopolies
>he defends data caps
Best of all
>he does it for free

>>57554072
okay, then lets get back to memeing about how you are wrong
>utilites
>living independently from the government
Libertarians will defend this.

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>Capitalism gives you freedom
>Unless you don't have money, in which case you are barelly better than a slave
>But you are still free to use the money you don't have, after all there are corporations that sell cheap stuff, free market rocks!
>It's not the corporations fault that their product sucks ass, you are the one buying it instead of the other options you can't afford
>What's that? You don't even have other options because of monopoly? Sorry, but corporations have as much right to fuck you in the butt as you have to be fucked by them, if you don't like it move to Cuba
>No, i don't care if you don't have the money for the travel either

>>57554072
If you live somewhere you have internet, electricity and running water, you're not living independently from the government in any real sense of the word.

>>57551625
openbsd was always in canada though

>>57554115

m8

if the corporations aren't buttfucking you than it will be the government

if there is no government then it will be your local warlords

you can't change human nature and capitalism + cruel ambition is at the heart of it, it's why true capitalism will not exist and why libertarians are as dumb as communists, they both chase the impossible

>>57554133
Exactly. They never fell for the America meme.

>>57554103
Yes I pay for them.
>>57554094
>don't support government regulation
>means I support shitty corporations

>>57554136
>having a government is communism

>>57554121
I have a well.

>>57554136
Finally, someone sane!

>>57554142
>Circular logic gone wild!
Kyon-kun, denwa.

>>57554142
That's exactly what you're doing. Even if it's not intentional, that's all you're doing as far as I'm concerned

>>57554136
Basically, you can't trust people to not be absolute degenerate sacks of shit to each other.

>>57554165
>>57554167
So what I need be off the grid completely? Is having a public road near my house also not being independent from the government?

>>57554136
>>57554163
>>57554176
>I'm a shitty person so everyone is

>>57553631
He also had a hand in Lincoln's assassination, the fucker.

>people who argue in favor of giant corporations
Unless you're a billionaire or a shill, you're just hurting yourself.

>>57554185
>So what I need be off the grid completely? Is having a public road near my house also not being independent from the government?
Yep, you made your bed libertarian, now lay in it or shut the fuck up.

>>57554204
It shouldn't surprise you that a great chunk of 4chan has stockholm syndrome. Mostly the conservative side.

>>57554176
This. Incorruptible AI dictator when.

>>57553333
except it's not a country, you daft nigger.

but good try.

lmao nerds on suicide watch

>>57554248
Agreed. The irony of people whose favorite insult is "cuck" putting all their faith into who they perceive to be a strong, male figure that will take control of their lives is fucking palpable.

yeah because TCP doesn't have priority flags for routing

oh wait it does

>>57552450
>hate speech is not free speech
And who does define what hate speech is? Your feelings?

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Damn, this thread has so fucking much Strawman all over it it's actually impressive.

>>57554698
CTR still paying you guys? Just curious.

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>>57554115
>Unless you don't have money
Man, if only there was a way to acquire money...

>>57551562
Fuck net neutrality.

>>57555158
You're retarded fuck off back to /pol/.

>>57554147
basically

>>57555198
Name one benefit of net neutrality without being an anal pegged communist faggot

>>57555218
It makes you mad cableshill.

>>>/pol/

>>57555218
Access to a global marketplace.

Without some faggot company always redirecting you to their products and sabotaging access to the other companies' products.

It's like you asking why we shouldn't allow car manufacturers to enter "peering agreements", making their car 50x faster to Walmart than to any other store.

>>57555226
Protip: Equality is fucking dumb. Better people should get better net access.

>>57555272
You're insane. Seek medical attention.

>>57555278
So buy better net access, there's nothing stopping companies from making multiple tiers like the currently do. They just have to make the tiers available to everyone for the same price they don't have to be affordable to everyone.

>>57555304
Faster net access doesn't cut it. I also want more and deeper access than average folks. The age of equality has tanked. The internet should be a privilege, same as everything else.

>>57555278
>>57555304
That has nothing to do with net neutrality. Net neutrality just means cable companies have to allow you to access services like netflix without throttling it to hell and back.

>>57552433
Bringing up the real shit here, that's what we need

Only nu-males with porn addictions and NEET anime hoarders give a shit about net neutrality. Oh right, that's /g/.

>>57555301
Figures that the only reply you can possibly formulate is a personal attack.

Because net neutrality is obviously meaningful to retain as much as it is to keep highways and streets regulated and open.

It'd be truly shit if only shops and houses paying me, the private road owner, extra money could have access to streets. (Shit, you won't go over, across or under MY streets otherwise - fucking PAY UP! Also plz pay extra for a street depending on whether you want to allow people to drive 5mph,8mph,10mph,50mph, 60mph or any speed they want, thanks!)

Exactly the same story with net neutrality.

>>57555278
>Defends free market
>Is ok with regulations that keep people from having full access to all products and services offered by said market

>>57555427
The world is better off without most products and services. kys sperg

>>57555401
Or people shopping in /csg/ rather than on Amazon.

Which, you know, might just buy out the traffic of Comcast and Verizon customers around Black Friday, then again from before Christmas to new year.

Buy on Amazon or wait 5 minutes per item you put into some other store's basket on a connection that drops out all the time and has bandwidth worse than dial-up, enjoy!

>>57555346
The main complaint that net neutrality addresses is "paid prioritization", basically a carrier gives preferential treatment to one service because the service paid them extra. With net neutrality all services have access to the same tiers, that is to say anyone can pay for the same access if they can afford it. Without net neutrality the carriers can choose not to make certain tiers available to services giving them the ability to act as gate keepers. If they partner with a popular music service they can give that service preferential treatment(no throttling, no data usage) and other services may not be able to get the same benefits.

>>57555478
PS: Hey, you're not gonna use Skype anymore.

You gotta use PayPhone, Skype has no more bandwidth on T-Online and T-Mobile and AT&T.

And sorry, if you want to watch porn, that's gonna be Premporn.com or nothing.

Want to use port 22 for SSH on your web server? Yea, that's a "special internet port fee" of $55 / month on your provider, $500 if you're a business.

Lel thx for no net neutrality, we'll monetize everything nao.

>>57555451
>contradition: the post.

>>57555515
>Google Premporn.com
>It doesn't exist
oh well, that why we have rule 35...

>>57555540
Yea, I picked an address that doesn't exist right now.

[For porn, just switch to the adult boards on 4chan for starters, eh.]

> oh well, that why we have rule 35...
Sure. And neutrality will be a porn plot and the net neutrality mascots people come up with will get fucked.

At least until you abolish net neutrality. That would be one of the things that actually threatens rule 35, heh.

>>57554670

Neither is Taiwan or Finland. Finland is Russian clay, and Taiwan is Chinese.

>>57552307
>>57552245
Doesn't Trumper want to kill the NAFTA?

good, 'net neutrality' is fucking gay imo

>>57552444
Says the guy who wants to flood the market with cheap labor and drive down wages

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>>57555930
Remember who to thank for that, anon...

>>57555617
oh you are just making stuff up

I don't get the argument for net neutrality. ISPs already throttle users and have caps. The only people this seems geared to help are netflix and youtube which account for large portions of traffic.

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>>57556222

It's to prevent the telecom wishlist of selling access to the Internet and turning it into this:

It's sad that there are people on /g/ who oppose net neutrality simply because Trump opposes it

>>57556312
But this doesn't exist, do we really need to make legislation for hypotheticals

>>57556388

Except it does exist in other countries and domestic telecom providers have argued in numerous in-person forums that they want to replicate that business model within the US.

So it's not a hypothetical in the slightest.

>>57556222
Liberals grab at the chance for any regulation.

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>>57556312
This is not a world I want to live in. I look at that picture and remember the days of paying for TV and TV channels.

>>57556422
Where can I read about them?

>>57552307
>>57552318
>big government
>big coporations
false dichotomy. all big Internet corporations are supported by government-enforced monopolies. if you seriously supported deregulation then you'd start by nuking patent law, software copyright and common carrier protections

>>57552245
Regulations are universally bad XD. I'm an idealist that doesn't understand reality xddd

>>57555659
and your mother's pussy is my clay.

>Racist Murrikans voting for tech illiterate Drumpf & RepubliSHITS and wanting to be reamed in the ass by CumCrap & VeriShit & AT&SHIT

TOPPEST LELKEK

>>57556382
Remember, the /pol/ sold out, like moot.

>>57556312
Really, you could just skip all of this shit and torrent everything until you hit that 1TB cap. I'm sure the people who thought up net neutrality originally had the end user in mind, but we're still getting screwed in practice. It's definitely not neutral and completely deceptive.

>>57556812
Assuming you have(or even can get) a plan that includes torrent traffic.

>>57556861
I'd like to see them try blocking every port but 80.

>>57552307
/pol/ has ruined this place

>>57556907
They can just use whitelist for IPs you're allowed to connect to. They'd almost have to, if they want to limit access to entire categories of websites.

>>57552380

CA fag here. The energy market was never "deregulated." The regulations under "deregulation" were WORSE than under the previous regulation.

Most people can't into economics so they don't understand that "free" markets are really markets with laws that enforce:
1) Private property rights, including some, but not unlimited, intellectual property rights.
2) Prosecution of monopoly behavior, restraint of trade, and any artificial barriers to entry.
3) Contract law and dispute resolution.
4) Prosecution of price fixing and any form of supply or price tampering.

CA "deregulation" violated 2 and 4 and failed. American "private" healthcare violates literally everything 1-4 with extreme violations of 2 which should be prosecutable under current law. Consolidation of services to only a couple companies violate 2 and often violate 4.

Fags always point to things like US healthcare, CA energy "deregulation", and US ISP collusion as evidence that "muh free market failed." Nope. There was never a free market to begin with.

>>57556920
reddit transplants like you ruined this place.

>>57552769
>You sound just like the commie claiming the USSR wasn't real communism, kid.

No, because that kid is looking at countries that have communist laws and is bitching because they didn't produce utopia like he was promised.

The guy you replied to is pointing out that the CA energy market never had capitalist laws. Never. It was never "deregulated."

>>57556952
you're absolutely right, but it's worth pointing out that at some point "the real free market has never been tried" starts to sound like what the communists always say

the truth is that the only governance that has ever really been tried is oligarchy

>>57556951
This is even more absurd than trying to block ports. It would be suicide for that ISP.

>>57556968
T. the_donald
/pol/ is just a parasite will suck everything they can before this community die.

>>57557047
Not if the ISP has a regional monopoly.

>>57553333
and you forgot to mention that it's a tourist territory of france and despite that it has among the lowest GDP per capita of french collectivizes, only a few other nigger infested french collectivizes are lower.

>>57557047
>they will never do it again
Ok, /pol/ shill.

>>57557068
that's nice. go learn english and fuck off, nigger.

>>57551562

I don't know what Trump's position on net neutrality will end up being.

IMHO net neutrality would be quickly solved if contract law was strictly enforced:

* An ISP who advertises a 50mbps connection to your home must deliver, on their end, 50mbps of bandwidth regardless of the server you are connecting to. No throttling of anyone.

* Said ISP can make deals with specific servers to deliver >50mbps when you connect to them AS LONG AS this does not impede on the 50mbps of bandwidth promised for everyone else.

If you're buying 50mbps and your ISP gives you 100mbps when connecting to Netflix that's fine so long as you still get 50 when connected to Hulu. The higher rate to Netflix was never part of your contract, it's something extra which does not take away from anything you purchased.

The problem is when an ISP throttles Hulu to 20, or worse, blocks someone because of political differences. THAT is what should be illegal and quite frankly would already be illegal if anyone gave a shit about false advertising and contract law.

>>57557126
>m-muh grammar and we aren't the reddit
Kek.

Feels good to be living in a country where a racist like Drumpf & GoP corporate asskissers will never be in power

>>57557037
>you're absolutely right, but it's worth pointing out that at some point "the real free market has never been tried" starts to sound like what the communists always say

Except I never said that. "Real free markets" are operating right now in many industries in the US, Europe, even in China.

Any market which substantially implements those four points is "real free market" and those markets do very well for consumers. It's the markets that piss on those points yet call themselves "free markets" that are the problem.

>>57557136
>An ISP who advertises a 50mbps connection to your home must deliver, on their end, 50mbps of bandwidth regardless of the server you are connecting to. No throttling of anyone.
No ISP actually does that. It's always UP TO 50 Mbps.

>>57557178
Will be a domino effect, retard.

>>57557090
At that point, I would just cancel my Internet account and go door to door in my neighbor to set up a wireless mesh network.

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/pol/ and reddit are the same shit.
MODS please delete this thread.

>>57557220
>meshnet
Here we go again.

>>57557210
Primarily because of the practice of oversubscribing their lines. They can provide 50Mbps so long as not everyone uses that much at once.

>>57557152
why are you still here, you daft nigger?

>>57557178
>muh racism
i take it you live in a predominately nigger infested area then? cheaper rent and you get to be surrounded by your pets that you so adore.

>>57557210
>No ISP actually does that. It's always UP TO 50 Mbps.

I didn't want to write 5 paragraphs of legalese since my posts are already long.

We all know that ISPs operate within a +/- margin of their advertised bandwidth due to technical issues. And that's fine.* What's NOT fine is purposely throttling or blocking some communications with the exception of of shit that's blatantly "wtf are you accessing" illegal.

However, purposely increasing the bandwidth for business partners really should be OK so long as it does not impede on the bandwidth for everything else.

* ISPs should be held to a standard on this. They should be able to substantially deliver what they promise. Not sure what the exact formula should be but promising 50mbps and dropping to 5mbps during peak usage should be breach of contract.

What would be different if obamas net neutrality had not passed?
What did you get out from it?

>>57557297
>i will use the n-word again if you don't stop
Time to go back to your circlejerk faggot. And take the poo in the loo with you.

>>57557408
>n-word
what's that? i'm not a mind reader, nigger.

>>57557435
If i am nigger, you are a faggot love sucking a BBC.

>>57552245
>Trump already a neocon based on what he has flopped on
>Still on the train

/pol/tards are so deluded its cute

>>57557233
>i don't like the conversation
>so instead of clicking away
>MODS

You ARE reddit and you should go back and stay there.

>>57557481
was that even english, you brain dead nigger?

>>57557508
>implying /pol/ don't act in the same way

>>57557496
>CNN said he's going to flop
>he must be a neocon

How many times are you going to listen to news sources that have completely failed you?

>>57557534
Same thing for you, faggot.

>>57557496
Get a VPN you cheap fuck

>>57553369
2017 will reveal that all of a sudden a lot of Gary Johnson supporters were on here.

>>57557538

I don't think I've ever seen a thread on /pol/ where someone whined for mods to delete the thread EXCEPT FOR obvious shill/CTR threads.

But even with those they usually just attack for the lulz.

>>57557558
>vpn
>net neutrality
Wut.

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>>57557554
>Flopped on The Wall
>Flopped on Net Neutrality
>Flopped on FCC
>Flopped on Tax Cuts
>Flopped on Foreign Policy

He flopped on all of the above stuff. Fucking NPR had shit about it for fucks sake.

>This entire thread

I love shitposting on /pol/ as much as the next guy, but this is cancer. /pol/ NEEDS to be deleted for the sake of 4chan. Please Hiro.

>>57557594
>lulz
brofix: feels.

>>57557628
>no throttling
>no spying

What the big fucking deal bitch. Keep crying about big bad ISPs then. As already mentioned data caps are in place so fuck off already

>>57552427
nazis deregulated the econemy and made it easier to buy a gun

>>57557678
>nazis deregulated
Oh dear.

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>>57557631
>Fucking NPR had shit about it for fucks sake

>>57557631
Not even in office yet you fucking retard. It's gonna be a long 8 years for you

>>57554136
This

I trust Trump more than some anonymous retards on /g/

>>57557809
>anti-piracy laws
>tpp
>anti-crypto laws
>war on weebs
>maybe the outaw of vpn
Thanks you, /pol/.

>>57557631
>The Wall
You mean The Fence?

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instead of bitching on a malaysian fish trade forum go do something about it

>>57557973
This is so retard like a liberal trusting more in Hillary than some anonymous retards on /g/.

>>57558021
Did Hillary win the election? Cry more fag. Trump will make American Internet Great Again

>>57557136
While this sounds nice the problem is that ISPs have no incentive to offer higher speeds. So instead of your scenario of 50mb everywhere and 100mb on netflix, it instead becomes 20mb everywhere and 50mb netflix. No reason to pay to improve infrastructure to certain sites when you can instead just lower everyone by default.

>>57558035
I was't even Hillary or Trump. Was talking about /pol/ wants from Trump.

>>57557631
>things that are not true

We've already had CNN and the press pool LOSE THEIR SHIT because Trump told them to go home for the night, then took his family to dinner...gasp...WITHOUT THEM.

They literally were more concerned about this then about Benghazi, Iran deal, DNC primary fixing, the emails, etc.

Trump will not be able to adapt any campaign promise in any way without the MSM screaming bloody murder. He's not going to build a 30ft wall in the middle of the Rio Grande? OMG HE FLOPPED!

This is going to be an entertaining 8 years.

>>57557996
>thinks Trump is pro TPP
>being this rerarded

>>57558109
>8 years
lol

>>57557996
>things that will never happen

Might have been good bait except TPP is already dead because of the election of Trump and he's not even inaugurated yet.

>>57554248
It's no surprise that people fall for cult figures to project power and authority that they themselves are unable to achieve. Ironically, it is this weakness that will inevitably bites them, but due to their warped perception, blame external forces and depend even more strongly on the leader. This creates a vicious cycle that turn them into helpleless subjugated pawns. Look up most dictator's rise and history and you'll see this pattern emerge.

>>57558130
He was against alot of things before elections e and now his change is mind. And probably the TPP is on list.

>>57552337
le kys cuck

>>57558175
His entire campaign revolved around stopping TPP you fucking idiot. Just like that worthless old fuck from Vermont

>>57558204
"People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election." - Otto von Bismarck

>>57558078
Competition is the incentive to increase speeds. Which means you don't allow Time Warner to buy Comcast to buy Verizon to buy AT&T.

The sad thing is if government was functional it could have served a pivotal role in driving competition for data access. With quality fiber speed gains come from improvements in the transmitters/receivers, not from replacing the glass. There's also a ton of ways you can multiplex.

The government could have rolled out a program to install fiber lines to most homes in America and then opened them up to all competitors. Instead of a choice between one or two wired ISPs and satellite, Americans might have 50 choices.

>>57558234
The only reason TPP was in the public conversation was because of Trump and Sanders. If either wanted it to pass we never would have even heard a peep about it. Stay gay

>>57558234
ONCE AGAIN, TPP IS ALREADY DEAD and it was the direct result of the election.

Even if you hate the man, please give Trump credit where credit is due.

>>57558245
>>>57558078
>Competition is the incentive to increase speeds. Which means you don't allow Time Warner to buy Comcast to buy Verizon to buy AT&T.

Pie in the sky dreams, but realistically speaking Trump is the only candidate with any remote possibility of accomplishing this. He's already said he was against big mergers like that, even if only because he's against further media consolidation. Still, point remains he's always been against monopolies - see: USFL vs NFL

>>57558271
>>57558274
Give 8 months and let's have this talking again.

>>57557594

/pol/ mods delete shit very, very often. Even threads /pol/ posters are actively participating in constructively prior to the threads being deleted.

>>57558367
8 years maybe. Keep it up with calling everyone racist though, that'll surely work next time. Fucking idiot

>>57558384

They delete shit but my point was /pol/ itself generally does not cry MODS in reply to a thread they don't like.

I hate that shit on the other boards. It's pure bahbee SJW crap.

>>57558245
I agree with this. The problem though is that this did not happen and there's no point drawing hypotheticals like this now. Given our current situation with ISPs the only options available are to:

1. Pass regulations stopping ISPs from screwing us over wholesale.
2. Not do this because all regulation is bad, regardless of whether it actually protects consumers because my high school econ teacher (who did so well in college he managed to pass up on all those pathetic wall street offers to get that fat teacher's paycheck instead) told me so or something, I dunno I flunked that class.

>>57557973
>I trust Trump more than some anonymous retards on /g/

>Trump supposedly wants to drain the swamp
>puts a fucking Verizon consultant in charge of filling the FCC

Okay

>>57558584
>I agree with this. The problem though is that this did not happen and there's no point drawing hypotheticals like this now. Given our current situation with ISPs the only options available are to:

False dilemma. Option 3: simply hold them to the contracts they've signed and the advertisements they've published, while blocking further consolidation. This is sufficient for most geographic areas.

I swear, when I look at things like health care or net neutrality I feel like Americans...American lawyers and prosecutors...have all forgotten the law. If an ISP throttles Hulu to favor Netflix then they are clearly in breach of contract and have opened themselves to civil suits and possibly even prosecution.

Also: we don't have the level of competition that I would like to see, but we do have competition. You should have seen how fast Timer Warner bumped their access speeds and dropped their prices when Verizon FIOS came through my neighborhood. I had no idea a cable company could get up off their asses and move like that.

Trump was supposed to "drain the swamp". Turns out that all he was gonna do was appoint the very "Washington insiders" and Wall Street fat cats that his voters wanted to get rid of. Sessions, Giuliani, fucking Newt Gingrich...

I am fucking laughing. I can't believe I voted for him.

>But Hillary is an actual criminal and was going to make things worse!

That only means that we were fucked either way. I voted for Trump because I actually believed him and his campaign.

I guess this is what it feels like to be cucked.

>>57560218
this sounds like a legitimate post

>>57560274
I live in a red state, so it doesn't really matter who I vote for. I didn't really care at first, then I started to believe all the shit from /r/the_donald, /pol/, etc. So I figured, what the hell.

>>57557631
sleep tight porker


also you're right, firend

>>57560101
>Option 3: simply hold them to the contracts they've signed and the advertisements they've published, while blocking further consolidation. This is sufficient for most geographic areas.
So essentially net neutrality. Gotcha.
>If an ISP throttles Hulu to favor Netflix then they are clearly in breach of contract and have opened themselves to civil suits and possibly even prosecution.
Except no where in any customer's contract does it state this. They all say "up to" some speed. Nothing forbids some websites consistently having slower speeds than others.
>Also: we don't have the level of competition that I would like to see, but we do have competition. You should have seen how fast Timer Warner bumped their access speeds and dropped their prices when Verizon FIOS came through my neighborhood. I had no idea a cable company could get up off their asses and move like that.
Sadly what competition there still is keeps decreasing. Verizon FiOS did a great thing, but ended with a map looking like this: http://fiberforall.org/fios-map/
I live in Atlanta (which is better than many areas) and when it was announced Google Fiber was coming, Comcast dropped their prices a lot and offered better gigabit plans. Now that Google Fiber is tied up and slowing down, prices have again risen to the level they used to be.