>better than Signal >works on Linux, Windows, Mac, And

Oh and it uses the same protocol as Signal.

>The Axolotl protocol implementation and other cryptographic and utility libraries are developed in Rust

>>57537975
>Why aren't we using Wire, /g/?
Because my normie friends use viber.

>>57538067
>viber.

That's even less normie than Whatsapp or Telegram

>>57538072
The people I work with uses either Facebook or Viber.
Both are jewish botnet, but at least I can use facbook from a browser, without installing anything.
Kik/Telegram are CP distributing channels, and SnapChat is discount camwhore service.

>>57538105
>The people I work with uses either Facebook or Viber.

Facebook is pretty common but Viber is practically unknown.

>>57538067
It always boils down to what your normie friends are using.

>>57537975
I'm using it with a few people. It has a few bugs and annoyances, but overall it's good.

>>57538119
>Viber is practically unknown
Not where I live, maybe because it uses the phone number as IDs.
Which is convenient to many people since sharing the phone number is the same as sharing the viber account.
They use it mostly as an alternative to phone calls.

>>57538151
Same here but with Whatsapp instead

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>>57537975
>>57537985
I already use Wire as it's superior to everything.

>>57538150
Biggest issue I've had with Wire is the unsent messages error. It usually happens with people who text in short bursts rapidly and not always either. I'm not sure what the hell is going on there.

I will say though the desktop and android clients are loads better than the others I've used. Hangouts doesn't have a standalone desktop app and I'm not installing that piece of shit chrome browser either.

>>57538151
Where do you live? Every country around me uses Whatsapp.

>>57538238
Is the desktop client fast or sluggish like Skype?

>>57538298
It's no where near as bloated and slow as Skype. If you have to use Skype I'd suggest trying pidgin with Skype (desktop).

One other odd thing with Wire is bluetooth. It works with bluetooth but sometimes on video calls in the car the audio won't go through the car like it should. There is that. I do video calls daily.

>>57538333
I'm also using a zenfone 2 x86 phone with houdini so the hardware is a bit different than the cheap arm soc's.

>>57538313
Might switch to Wire then. I only have a few friends on Skype so it will be easy to switch them.

>>57538291
Iraq.
Here it's something like this
Viber > Facebook messenger > Telegram > Whatsapp > Snapchat

>>57538347
Try it out and see if you dig it. I suggested it to some friends to escape botnet and google hangouts and they switched fully over before I did. It didn't take much convincing at least for me. I was the slow one heh.

https://e.infogr.am/d71ec27c-0fd4-4f5e-8e5a-c3141efa386c?src=embed

Tox died, right?

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>we

>>57538291
Not that anon, but the Philippines is all over viber
I think there are even promos where viber data usage doesn't count toward your monthly limit

>>57538406
I would think Viber or similar is popular in places like India or Indonesia too.

>>57538406
>Not that anon, but the Philippines is all over viber

dumbass flips. there's way better options.

>>57538406
Yeah I have a friend over there that was telling me about viber. He wanted me to install that shit.

>using the Viber botnet

You Asian people are fucking stupid.

Wire is the best alternative I've found to iMessage so far. I got most of my friends to try it but they still default to using iMessage or SMS because they're too lazy to open a third party app. A couple of them mute our group chat so then they barely check it because they forget about it and are usually checking iMessage. Simpletons.

How is it free? Can I host my own server?

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>>57537975
>Electron-based client

I'll stick to Telegram, thanks.

>>57538565
Yes

>>57538792
Can you explain how they manage to sustain the service without ads, service plans, or selling data? I can't seem to find it on their faq.

>>57538782
The Telegram desktop client is Electron based.

>>57538809
I dunno. Ask them. They are still building a userbase.

>>57538813
Nope. It's written in C++ with Qt.

https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop

>>57538813
You are retarded if you think this.

>>57538471
>Viber botnet
It's even worse than google.
At least google doesn't drain the battery and have the courtesy to make their own botnet OS.

>using messaging service that noone uses
what is the point?

>>57538930
Tell that to people on /g/ who tell us to use Signal.

At least Wire can be used more easily than Signal.

>>57539004
>Wire can be used more easily than Signal.
not everyone has wire
everyone has phone number

>>57539028
You don't need a phone to use Wire, much less a phone number.

Everybody can get Wire.

>>57539040
so what that they can get it? they don't want to, so you're stuck with messaging service that nobody wants to use.
now, everyone has phone number and you can send them messages regardless if they're using telegram, messanger or some other shit.

>>57539080
I'd rather move everybody to Wire.

>>57539086
cool. just do it then

does it have screen sharing? because that's why I use skype

>>57539040
It's convenience issue.
In 2016 people can't bother/ know how to create account without step by step.
Also Viber advertise itself with no need to create an account ,and need a phone number to confirm the user for more secure connection.
Which seems appealing to tech illiterates.

>>57539040
How?
The first thing it asked for me was my phone number, no option to skip.

>>57539263
Do it on desktop or web site. It only asks for an email there.

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>>57537975

don't give a shit about the 20000000000000th IM application.
>>fully E2EE chat, file transfer, calls and video
literally every other IM app does this.

>>57539287
I'm only interested in the app.
So I'll be able to use that account on mobile?

>>57539317
No

>>57537975
>under gplv3
>however it says that you should follow https://wire.com/legal/

>a. You may not: (a) remove any proprietary notices from the Service or any copy of software provided to you by the Company (“Software”); (b) cause, permit or authorize the modification, creation of derivative works, translation, reverse engineering, decompiling, disassembling or hacking of the Apps, the Service or any Software; (c) sell, assign, rent, lease, act as a service bureau, or grant rights in the Apps, the Service or any Software, including, without limitation, through sublicense, to any other person or entity without the prior written consent of the Company; or (d) make any false, misleading or deceptive statement or representation regarding the Company and/or the Apps, the Site or the Service.

No thank you, also
>Node.js

>>57539346
How can they even add these clauses if the app is GPLv3? Is it even legal?

>>57538416
Viber isn't that popular in Indonesia. LINE is.

GnuPG: https://www.gnupg.org/

>>57539851
not IM

>>57537975
>obscure shit
>yet another voip app
>no binaries
>expects anyone to build it themselves
Dead in 6 months just like all other freetard projects that ignore all semblance of user experience (including setup).

Using it for some time now, my tech-savy friends use it, some of my non techy peers use it. I quite like wire.

>>57540447
That's the point. IM is useless. Sum up what you need me to know before sending me a message. That is, unless you enjoy unimportant snippets of text.

>>57537975
XMPP+OTR
That's why.

I've just heard about it and it looks good, my question is: where do they get the money from?

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It also comes with a free trainable waifu

>>57537975
is this shit P2P?

Is it audited?

>>57538565
The servers are proprietary. They're probably going to release a premium service at some point. Or once they get enough users, they'll rerelease the clients as proprietary.

>>57544073
>The servers are proprietary.
IE financed by and accessible by the familiar Three Letter Agencies.

>>57543196
RIP Tay, too pure for this cruel world.

>>57537975
What is it?

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Looks good but we are basically just trusting what the company says

>we promise we aren't a bot net bro

No ty, nothing is secure.

Interesting…

apart from the obvious
>Where's the money
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV59cxMsFnU
question, how normieable is it?
Can I send my gf an
>here's the link
>install that on your PC
>here's my ID
>now switch on your webcam and get naked
email and it will work?

>>57546180
The clients use end to end encryption. Since it's open source, you can audit it.

>>57537975
>no SMS support on the phone version
>settings menu is literally empty on the desktop version
>frequently crashes if you try to start a group call
>audio quality is worse than everything but Skype
Why would anyone use Wire?

>>57546814
>implying

>>57538261
Hangouts works on every browser but Firefox and its forks, though. You don't need to install Chrome.

>It's another "group of 20-somethings hack together a couple of already implemented protocols with microservices and call it a revolution of social networking" episodes
Great, it'll be dead in a year and then we can have a new one! None of these developers get that people only care about these things because of the network effect.

>>57539649
No. If anyone took them to court they would lose.
I'm just not sure which one takes legal precedence.

>>57546933
what should I be implying?

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Needs work

>>57547019
I like it.

>>57543508
Not yet

>>57539768
Totally forgot about LINE. I'm in USA so it's easy to get lost in the bubble of groupthink here.

>>57546934
It works in Firefox provided you're logged in to gmail. I want a real desktop client. Hangouts requires Chrome to be installed for any semblance of a desktop client. Google just doesn't know how to complete something.

>>57549117
Google just wanted you logged into a complete botnet architecture at all times, aka Chrome.

They aren't stupid. They purposely did not make a desktop client so they can extract your browser info.

>>57539328
It's the same service so yes.

>>57539328
yes, idiot

>>57539851
No forward secrecy

>>57537975
does it have stickers like telegram? If not fuck it

>>57538381
tox never really went out of the joke phase

https://ring.cx/

I tried installing Wire like three times this year already, and I literally never got the email to finish registration.

So I gave up, just like right now again.

>>57551552
It worked instantly for me. Your email must be shit. Went to my gmail in a second.

>>57551561
>try this new messenger, it respects your privacy
>needs gmail

You can put that wire up your ass, buddy.

>>57551576
It doesn't NEED gmail you stupid nigger. It's just that your shit email service is blocking their emails.

>>57551582
Literally company mail, no issues whatsoever with business communication for over 12 years.

>Not good enough for Wire

Fuck off, dummy.

>>57551589
>wants privacy
>uses company email to associate his identity with his "private" IM
>can't even get an email confirmation

You are a fucking retard and your company email has shit filtering policies.

>>57551601
Nah, you know who the real retard is? The incompetent fuckers behind Wire, and you, their advertising monkey.

>Implying I wanted to try Wire for privacy alone and not because our team is in search of an IM that will replace Skype

>Implying you know ANYTHING about our privacy policy

Wire is literally the only provider that failed to deliver confirmation email in 12 years.

You can't even reliably send a fucking email, bimbo, what makes you think you're capable of reliably delivering messages?

>>57551636
Try another email you dumb faggot. Is it really that hard? It's not Wire's fault. It's your shit email. Check your spam. I bet you use Microsoft-based email which blocks a lot of things.

>>57551601
>needs a phone number
Dropped. Antox seems much better.

>>57551648
It doesn't need a number. It just asks for a number if you do it via phone. Just register from the desktop client or website and you only need an email.

>>57551648
Quoted your post by accident, meant to say something like this >>57551644. You can literally use any email address.

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>>57551648
Literally wrong.

>>57551644
Look, faggot, I'm not some illiterate retard you can point to check spam folder and reset router.

Also, while I was typing this out, the email arrived. After half a fucking year. Let me guess, you personally made it happen, right?

Already shilled Signal enough. Why should I shill another chat app?

>>57551680
You probably checked your spam because I told you to, you stupid nigger. Great job figuring out how to use your email.

>>57551683
Stay there and enjoy explaining to your shill targets why Signal doesn't have an autonomous desktop client

>>57551694
Fuck you, I didn't. Glad you fixed your shitty email sending, though.

Does it allow to share binary files and pictures/videos without re-encoding them?
That's the most annoying thing in Whatapp.

>>57551762
yes

>>57552061
Great, the file size limit is 25mb which is kinda small, but it's fine.
I'm going to test it today and I'll switch to Wire together with all my friends who care about security.

>>57538291
Pakistan here. All Viber.

>>57538238
Hold up, Facebook has a standalone desktop client?

>>57552151
I think it must be open in browser. Not sure.

>>57538354
>>57546838
Metadata is enough for a drone execution.

>>57537975
Everyone already uses Facebook (Messenger) or WhatsApp, so it'd be a hassle to get everyone around me or even a significant enough amount of people to switch over to justify using an another app, not to mention Wire would need some killer features that regular users ("normies") care about. Open source isn't going to cut it. I like the cross platform thing but even that is of no consequence to most since they just use WhatsApp or Facebook on their phone.

Not to mention I'm personally fairly satisfied with WhatsApp. It works well and doesn't seem sluggish on my phone, supports sharing pictures and all kinds of files pretty well, it has voice calling that I sometimes use and I can use it on my computer through a browser (I'd prefer a desktop app for Linux but web app will do).

>>57552175
>being a wanted-dead terrorist

>>57538138
Naturally. For a messaging service to be worth anything you'll need the people you're talking to to be there. I'm just glad people around me aren't using anything shittier than WhatsApp. I'm fine with WhatsApp so I'm not going to push my friends and uni group to use anything else.

>>57552171
In that case either the chart is outdated (you can use WhatsApp on your browser) or they're thinking of desktop app in different terms.

In Facebook's case you can use their website to chat without input from your phone or anything, but AFAIK there's not an app you can install and use to chat, (which is how I see desktop apps).

WhatsApp has a website you can use to chat but it chats using your phone and you'll have to have your phone on and connected to the internet. Perhaps that's why it's not considered "standalone".

>>57552220
Just noticed that it says standalone desktop VERSION. That clears it up for me. Both Facebook and WhatsApp have desktop "versions" in a way, through a website usable on a desktop PC through browser, but WhatsApp's site isn't "standalone" since it communicates through your phone.

>>57552151
>>57552171
>>57552220
Standalone desktop app means it's own separate installer and doesn't require a third party like a browser to be open.

https://messengerfordesktop.com/

Facebook Messenger has a standalone app for desktop.

Wire does as well and is perfectly suited for replacing hangouts or others.

>>57552130
>>57552061
Can I send WebM without converting?

>>57552239
I assumed it was talking about official apps (or, like in case of Telegram, there being officially approved clients)

>>57552239
I came across Wire while trying to find a suitable replacement for Hangouts and other social media. I've converted my household to a Google/Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/Snapchat etc free household. I curate some apps and host them locally on my media server. We do not require any cloud services as they're provided from our home. F-Droid and the like are used for app stores if at all. All phones are capable of root and bootloader unlocked. They're also required to be carrier unlocked so we can use whatever service we desire. Family of eight.

>>57552266
I know messenger has had clients in the past and still appears to have them unofficial or official.

>>57538238
I use Telegram. Not open source however.

>>57552363
I used Telegram too and thought it was great. Biggest reason was desktop client as I have several PC's in the home and work from home mostly. Wire just ended up checking off more boxes than Telegram when I started running cloud/sync services from my home. The plus side is most of our extended family installed it as well. Now people use wire SMS email or call. No fuss no muss. Work only has my home VOIP line as it should be and one of my emails. All is right.

>>57552251
>Using the icon, you can pick Office documents, videos, PDFs or any other kind of files of up to 25Mb in size to share. While on the desktop the files transfer similarly to email attachments, on the mobile devices many of the common files types can be viewed right from within Wire conversations. You can also open them in an app of your choice or store them on your device.

>Just like all other conversation content in Wire, the files are securely and privately fully end-to-end encrypted. Like your conversations, your documents belong to you and Wire has no access to them.

>File sharing is available with the latest versions of Wire for iOS, Android and desktop. As always, feedback, questions and ideas are very welcome on Twitter—we are @wire.

>>57537975
>signal without Marlinkike
Truly perfection.

>>57552177
In Sweden, Telegram and Signal are relatively popular. I've had Telegram/Signal give me the "X is on <app>, send a message!" notice when adding fairly normie people to my contacts. Signal is pretty shit too, so I have no doubt this will catch on if we shill it enough.

>>57552717
>normie
>>>/out/

Thanks for the announcement, will use!

Opinions on this
http://matrix.org/

It seems like it could be alright, if there were more normie friendly clients I might be able to convince my friends to switch to one, I guess the webui fits that.

How do I use this on Loonix?

>>57553487
Download the loonix client you stupid freetard.

>>57553597
Literally where is it?

>>57553651
On the official site you mouthbreather

>>57553661
Yeah, it's not there.

>>57553730
>i'm blind

can't help you there

>>57553651
On their site they provide the source for Ubuntu and something called AppImage (Fedora?) format. It's also in AUR as wire-desktop, for those using Arch.

As for repos, I didn't find it in any (other than AUR). I guess it'll hit them soon.