http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/15 /macbook-pro-touch-bar-n

>>57526009
What the fuck

>>57526009
SSD is soldered to the board now?

>RAM soldered
>SSD soldered

What's next?

Is the battery going to be completely fused into the motherboard, making it impossible to replace without throwing away the whole computer?

I think it's a great move so people don't mess up their computers

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>minor fault
>lose access to all your data

Hehe. :^)

>>57526069
More like
>minor fault
>lose access to your entire computer

>>57526069
>imblying data from macucks matters in any way or form
let em rip !

>tfw this means even Louis Rossman can't recover your data after hardware failure on these new MBPs

>>57526115
Actually he can. Just transplant the SSD memory chip to another host motherboard. Home users won't be able to do this anymore though. More business for Ross'.

>>57526866
>implying hot air gun to loosen the BGA flash chip from the board doesn't corrupt the stored data

>>57526115
>>57526866
He can't recover the data if disk encryption is enabled, the key used by the OS is derived from an ID burnt into the T1's silicon so moving the SSD to another machine wouldn't fix it for you.

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>macbook pros are oversized ipads

>>57526009
>read the forums
>people actually believe Apple soldering is what makes it fast
>people are actually fucking saying it's better this way because then it ONLY COSTS $310 to repair which in their mind is more than a 256GB costs
It's hard reading those forums without punching your screen

>>57526940
Apple knows their buyer demographic well.

>>57526009
FIRE TIM COOK
FIRE TIM COOK
FIRE TIM COOK
FIRE TIM COOK

>>57526009
$2500 Facebook machines

>>57526115
He regularly does soldering jobs, so this sorta job would be his thing.

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>>57526115
>>57526866

>>57526039

SHUT IT DOWN

>>57526009
So? All the rMBPs had soldered in nvmes.

>>57526039
They will solder the case, the keybord keys, trackpad and screen.

http://www.wired.co.uk/gallery/apple-book-photos-cost

>charging $300 for a photobook

>>57526009
>when the SSD wears down you have to buy a new macbook

whats the matter? too POOR to afford apple computers?

>>57526009
Why would people who do regular backups and use thunderbolt HDD/SSD enclosures for extra storage even care.

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>>57527179
yeah no
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251

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>>57526907
Most people don't encrypt their drives. If they do use encryption they probably have backup plans too.

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>>57527233
he mean the rMB but he dumb

>>57526009
Just solder the whole fucking case up, who even cares about this garbage at that point.

>>57527275
What phone is that?

>>57527289
The 2015 MacBook.

>>57526009
are these drives going to fail over time like the the ones in their predecsssors? if so it's going to be a costly repair, better get applecare to go along with a new MBP

>>57527308
apparently Apple built it themselves rather than partner with Samsung

so i'd expect it to fail after a year

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>>57527425
Samsung are well know for the reliability of their products.

>>57526039
The motherboard IS the battery.

>>57527425
They are Sandisk nands apple just uses a custom controller.

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>>57527458
>mactoddler forgetting that applel invented exploding electronics

>>57526009
>iPhones are growing larger with each generation
>Macbooks have small motherboards with everything soldered on

So how long until the natural conclusion of this where they just start selling iPads with keyboard attachments?

>>57527543
It's easy to forget when the products that exploded shipped over 10 years ago.

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>>57527544
They already have. This is the future of applel.

>>57527249
>Most people don't encrypt their drives
apple enabled FileVault 2 by default since 10.10 or 10.11 iirc

lots of people actually do use it (without realising)

>>57527580
It works great, my 2015 MacBook Pro boots from cold to the desktop in <20 seconds.

>>57526069
I use Time Machine but this "upgrade" is idiotic

>>57527594
so does literally any computer with a ssd

>>57527458
They are
The meme7 did nothing to their brand or reputation
No one is going to stop buying Samsung anytime soon
They also lead the market in ssds

>>57527594
>implying that is fast

>>57527594
never said it doesn't m8 I use it as well

>>57527602
Apple hasn't made a good hardware decision since jobs stepped down

>>57527602
Pretty sure it's related to TouchID, the secure pairing can be easily broken if either the SSD or T1/TouchID Button are removed. This happened when iPhone users got non-Apple repairs and their phones refused to boot. It's part of the devices security, this prevents users from breaking their Macs.

>>57527612
SDD + Full disk encryption

>>57527616
>The meme7 did nothing to their brand or reputation
Are you being intentionally stupid?

>>57526039
>What's next?
other manufacturers start doing that too.

>>57527634
No it does not I've swapped many iohpne touch I'd homebuttons, yes the original is paired with the motherboard, but you can replace it, you will just lose touch Id function, but will still work as normal home button would

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>>57526009
>>57526039
>>57526069
>>57526936
>>57526940

>>57527696
This is similar, however we're talking about replacing the storage not the T1 or the sensor.

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>>57527557
>this is what mactoddlers actually believe

>>57527709
His hair is 4th dimensional, it just slides through our universe unaffected by the laws of gravity.

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>>57527594
>mactoddler literally bragging about 20 second boot times on SSD

Christ, OSX is literally a toddler toy piece of shit.

>>57527725
Pretty sure I could take any of those products through airport security and onto a plane without being forced to leave it behind.

>>57527737
are you retarded?

he said 20 sec with his SSD encrypted

>>57527755
>t. mactoddler

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Reminder that last year's MBP already got a 1/10 from iFixit, and that one had a (with some difficulty) removable SSD.
What are they going to give this year's model? A literal 0?

>>57527802
all those problems can be solved by just buying the laptop with the specs you want in the first place and not complaining later

and don't treat it like a retard then you won't have to replace the screen

wow problem solved

>>57527834
t. mactoddler

>>57527834
Lol at this consumerist whore

>>57527875
nice argument m8 you sure convinced me with those hot opinions

>>57527875
Here, you missed a >

>>57527887
t. meme amateur

>>57527834
>oh shit my ssd died and my laptop is no longer under warranty
>guess I'll just buy a new ssd and it's run fine again
>and because it's been a few years ssd's are now bigger, cheaper, faster and more efficient
>oh wait, I bought a macbook, guess I'll just have to buy a whole new laptop

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>>57526009
Fight me. You can still disassemble the thing. It's just harder

>>57527634
Do you really think macfags are paying for Starbucks with their fruitbooks?

>>57528000
99% of apple users will buy a new laptop before the ssd breaks. i have used same ssd on my pc for 5 years and it still works.

>>57528003
That's clearly an old macbook, you walking turd.

>>57528090
It's a Late 2013 model (which MANY people claimed is basically unrepairable). Same thing will happen for this one. People find ways

>>57528003
>t. mactoddler

>>57528223
Good luck repairing a borked SSD that's soldered to the board..

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>>57526936
>>macbook pros are oversized ipads

I have said this for ages. I used my sister's 2015 Macbook and it was such a boring experience. I commented to her it was like using an iPad but with an attached keyboard.

Seems Apple are doing just that.

>>57527834
Mactoddlers struggle with mice that have more than one button.

Desoldering, sourcing, and soldering new flash chips is a pipedream for them.

>>57528039
This isn't NFC related. Nice try.

>>57527755

2011 Elitebook 8460p with 2670m i7

4gb ram, SSD FDE.

5 second boot with ubuntu mate

>>57528306
That's why we have multitouch trackpads that outclass all other laptops. :^)

>>57528347
Including entering your password and restoring your previous open apps?

Is it soldered to the board or glued down like they do with the shitty iPhone batteries?

Reminder that ever since Jobs passed away Apple has been stagnant. Now they just focus on shitty meme features and make bad decisions like above that they market with BS like Courage™ and hope it'll catch on. Literally the only good thing Apple has done in 5 years has been Touch ID and Windows Hello is already miles ahead of it.

Why haven't you bought a Surface yet, /g/?

>>57528480
>Trusting insecure hardware with your biometric data

>>57526069
Well, this was already a thing with the ms surface.

My surface pro 2's screen started to act up, I kinda new what was coming and synced everything up to my server, few days later the display died. It showed only artifacts and I couldn't do anything with it. Funny thing is that it's a tightly glued shitbox so I couldn't take the ssd out and copy the files if it would've died unexpectedly. Well it might've been possible, but I wouldn't been able to RMA the thing afterwards.

Their RMA process is really great, though. Got a brand new pro 3 as a replacement, sold it and bought a thinkpad.

>>57527653
yes, you clearly don't know what that means.

>>57526885
Perhaps if he heats from the other side he can melt the balls without melting the memory.

It's a tough call though. I doubt he would do it for the amount he charges.

>>57527746
You're right. Because the failure rates are a fraction of a per cent lower than the Note 7.

>want to recover data
>sorry, it's a feature

>>57528655
Accessing the bits on the disk is always going to be slower if they first need to be unencrypted, you don't even need to think too hard.

>>57528725
TimeMachine is your friend. (Other backup solutions available)

>>57526009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hnOCUkbix0

>>57526039
Don't give them any ideas...

the touchbar is cool
the rest is utter shit for todays date and especially for the price tag

$5,500.00 for 2 Terabytes storage and 16 Gigabytes memory that are broken in 2026 lmoa no keep that shit

>>57526009
It's a Pro machine. In a professional environment a SSD failure is handled by the manufacturer under warranty. Machines without valid warranties are retired.

Only shit tier companies with poorly managed IT budgets have their desktop monkey's replace drives in workstations. It isn't worth the labor dollars.

Literally the only people crying about this are too poor to own the laptop anyway. That's why you're on a $300 Thinkpad.

>>57526115
You act like he's some sort of god, anyway. I'd be worried if Apple engineers couldn't do anything about it, either. See: Lenovo BIOS chip.

>>57528836
>t. mactoddler

>>57528836
>In a professional environment
if you consider a bunch of hipsters in starbucks a "professional environment" well..

>Only shit tier companies with poorly managed IT budgets
buy apple products.

>>57528908
It's just a tool. If a graphic designer wants a Mac, no matter their reasoning, it's better to swallow the extra $1500 or so it costs for that laptop over the course of 3 years to keep them happy. When they have a salary over $60k what difference does that make anyway?

"No, we're going to put you on this Dell XPS 15 w Touch Screen because it has an SD Slot and I can upgrade the RAM next year so it's a real 'pro' machine. This way we save $1500 and you can be frustrated with your main design tool for the remainder of your tenure here." Yeah, makes sense.

>>57528798
friendly reminder that the Core 2 Duo got released in 2006 already. Macbooks with C2D are still fine because of the swappable memory and HDDs/SSDs, heck even the "logicboard" is exchangeable.

>>57528749
You're an idiot.

>>57528969
>t. mactoddler

>>57528969
Sure, but that doesn't mean it's actually targeted at professionals.

>>57528908

Done.

>>57529039
Yes it is. Do you see the price?

It's for professionals that see it as an investment for either themselves or their company. A fast laptop that will allow for desktop like performance and expandability, with a thin profile and long battery life. A photog can dock in their studio and get to work more efficiently, then take it with them easily and work on the road. The dongle problem is temporary and an early-adopter penalty, but beyond that the I/O expandability and speed is unmatched.

No one in any professional development is going to say "whoa whoa whoa, wait, what if we want to upgrade the SSD from 500GB to 2TB two years later?" They would get laughed at.

This is splitting hairs for people who know nothing about a professional environment and/or are too poor to buy one themselves.

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>>57528969
>If a graphic designer wants a Mac

This is /g/, you're looking for >>>/lgbt/ mactoddler.

you cant beat the quality of materials and screen of a macbook

theres a reason why its expensive

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>>57529138
>fruity toddler toys made from recycled beer cans
>quality

>>57528073
Maybe so, but have you gone 5yrs without a single hardware fault, including accidentally cracking screen etc?
Now imagine a normalfag going 5yrs. Not likely is it.

>>57528379
>including restoring previous apps
>on a pc
Not same guy but dual booting and waiting the whole 3s it waits until it automatically chooses my loonix partition, putting in user+pw, restoring last used ''''''apps'''''' aka programs takes less than 20s m8.

>>57528749
Fedora 24 on an SSD, boot is around 15 seconds. This is what happens on a non-shit OS.

>>57529120
>>57529120
>No one in any professional development is going to say "whoa whoa whoa, wait, what if we want to upgrade the SSD from 500GB to 2TB two years later?" They would get laughed at.
>This is splitting hairs for people who know nothing about a professional environment and/or are too poor to buy one themselves.
Just because you cannot imagine someone being smart enough for that, it doesn't mean that it isn't possible.

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As long as I can use my music production software, torrent reams of music, videos, movies, and games, use Windows 98 SE in an emulator, and be able to transfer music to my iPod Classic on it I'd love to get a new MacBook.

>>57528861
>t. thinktoddler

>>57529171
Smart enough? For what?

From a consumer standpoint I see how these Macbooks suck. I'm on a 2011 Macbook Pro that I've upgraded and sapped parts and have kept alive and it works great. That's my own time. I wouldn't expect a company to put that (significantly more valuable) time into keeping a machine this old alive for this long when with the swipe of an AMEX you can have a brand new, faster, warrantied machine. That's why it's 'Pro'

>>57529198
>t. mactoddler

>>57528761
You're pretending not to get the point. It's not about the lost data, it's about a broken ssd meaning replacing the entire computer for 1500$ or more instead of a 200$ nvme module.

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>>57529207
>mactoddlers unironically calling someone a "thinker" as an insult

>>57529218
How is it a smart investment to buy a machine that needs to be completely replaced when a single ssd fails?
>just get applecare
Oh so on top of the overpriced specs I buy an overpricer warranty... All of this to appease some faggot designer? Sure thing.

>>57529120
>Yes it is. Do you see the price?
The price is because it's a luxury product like everything apple makes, not because it's designed with professionals in mind.

>>57528969
now, a graphic designer wanting a macbook pro is just as ridiculous. if you truly need a powerful computer and truly need macOS, you'd buy imacs. they are not so horribly overpriced for high-end desktops and even with some of the most retarded idiots using them daily they dont require much administration.

>Thinktoddlers ignoring one crucial part
>$310 flat rate repair cost out of warranty, $0 in warranty

If you could afford the machine you'd realize this is a non-issue. But you can't. So you cry.

>>57529238
Do you honestly believe owning a think pad makes you a "thinker", plus thinkpadtoddler sounds dumb.

>>57529266
Uh yeah, you get the warranty. Literally everything with a blinking light in any office is under warranty you fucking NEET.

>>57529268
It can be seen as both.

>>57529271
iMacs can't travel. People do. A lot.

>>57529273
Every brand of computers has a warranty, they just let you swap components as well.

>>57529273
Stop breaking your facebook machine all the time and it would cost nothing to repair.

>>57529296
But anon a xps also has a warranty, applecare is just an extension. Again, you haven't presented a single point for this being a professional machine except "a designer said he wanted one".

>>57529276
>t. mactoddler

>>57529296
People do, professional environments dont. Just because you create a blog and shoot some photos doesnt make you a professional computer user.

>>57529319
Preference in OS is huge. macOS is the preferred standard for creatives, it is what they are used to and it's what they want. It's a professional machine because of that and it's fast and highly expandable via I/O and versatile.

Buying it as a facebook machine? Dumb. Buying it to appease your employees while simultaneously reducing IT strain? Smart.

>>57529338
Uh you're a fucking retard. Confirmed.

No professional would ever want to travel somewhere to do business on the road. Photo and video shoots only happen indoors. No one ever works from home. Ever. OK.

>>57529381
>preference
Oh ok, so nothing objective or serious. So if I'm a designer who prefers Temple OS will they get me a laptop that uses it, surely.
>highly expandable
Kek'd, anon you're in a thread about how it has a fucking soldered SSD.

>>57529381
>creatives

A lot of video editors and effects artists are moving to PC because they just can't get 2016 GPUs on Mac, and GPU acceleration makes huge difference.


>professional

Macfags on HN are very pissed at the latest Mac Pro and MBP interations. We might actually have a Linux desktop with sensible defaults if Apple doesn't appease these Macfags.

>>57529381
>t. mactoddler

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>>57529381
>overheating throttling explosive combustible fruity toddler toys
>professional machine

>>57529296
>iMacs can't travel. People do. A lot.
Speaking as a designer ;^)
Designers don't travel. I work from home most days. I also mainly use Linux because Windows is shit. From what I've seen in the industry (at least in my country) people that spend thousands of dollars on Adobe products and Macbooks usually don't know shit. It's all part of "looking the part" more than buying them for any real functionality to be using a Mac.

People joke about Mac users being posers but it's LITERALLY the truth in most cases, especially in the creative industry.

>>57529474
>HN
I found your problem.

>>57529546
>Speaking as a designer ;^)
>I also mainly use Linux

Good joke.

>>57529493
>t. think_pad_toddler

>>57528649

>b-b-b-but Microsoft

Every time

>>57529572
>t. mactoddler

>>57529567
its almost 2017 son, you can run any program available for any platform on linux nowadays.

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>I want removable and replaceable SSD
>on an SSD with custom proprietary Apple controllers which only Apple make
>I didn't order what I needed upon purchase

>>57529381
>macOS is the preferred standard for creatives

And receptive anal is also their preferred sexual act, whats your point?

>>57529670
>I want to replace the entire machine if any part of the hardware fails

>>57529567
I don't get it. npm, Filezilla, Atom, GIMP, Inkscape, Gpick and (as of recently) Pencil is literally all I need on a machine for work. Yes, I can get along just fine with Windows and/or a Mac but I prefer bash, I don't like the direction Windows is heading and I like ricing.

Company specific applications all have a web interface. OS dependency is just about dead unless you care about games or are trying to justify wasting money on a Mac.

>>57529474
I don't hate the trash Pro as much as I hate the new MBP.

>>57529474
That is true. But they are moving on their own accord, not because some mouth breathing IT guy read about soldered SSDs.

>>57529415
If you were very talented, which you obviously are not, then an employer would do anything to keep you. Yeah if you prefer Temple OS and you have irreplaceable talent, yes. But you don't, because you're a NEET pretending to know how business works.

Also the ports on the Pro are highly expandable. You're just also an idiot.

>>57529725
>bash
Which is present in Mac OS along with zsh.

>>57528649
why didn't you just hook it up to a screen?

>>57529546
Oh so you're the authority on "designers". Care to post some of your work? It should be industry shaking. I mean, really, if you can speak for all designers then you must be quite the prolific artist.

>>57529713

>I don't want Apple to replace my shit for free if it breaks

>>57529803
>i want to pay apple $700 to repair a wifi module

>>57529670
>a better component comes out
>WELP, I'll just wait for a new macbook and hope Apple will use that component there

>>57529803
This, there's less waste and Apple recycle the parts so you get your thing fixed basically instantly. As long as you got a backup, if you don't you're fucked.

>>57529827

>I don't know what 'free' means

>>57529744
>If you were very talented, which you obviously are not, then an employer would do anything to keep you.
Ok, so if I'm very good an employer will buy me any laptop, wether it's a T60 running Temple OS or an MBP. This has zero to do with my question which was what makes the MBP better for design than, say, a XPS 15. Why are you avoiding my question?
>Also the ports on the Pro are highly expandable.
Just like the ports on any laptop, anon... Except on those other laptops you can swap components and on the MBP you can't.
>You're an idiot
Not an argument =)

>>57529865
Any laptop has a warranty and when it's done you can replace the components yourself. Apple added nothing and removed the latter. You're literally defending the ability to do less things.

>>57529930

You literally have not dealt with Apple before. They replace shit for free all the time, even old out of warranty things. I'm speaking from experience in the UK. If they know you haven't broken something they ALWAYS replace for free. Their service is actually better under Cook than Jobs and even back then it was the best in the industry. No calling some pajeet and shipping your machine yourself to some random place or taking it to a Louis who'll bitch about you on his YouTube vent channel.

>>57529912
>Ok, so if I'm very good an employer will buy me any laptop, wether it's a T60 running Temple OS or an MBP. This has zero to do with my question which was what makes the MBP better for design than, say, a XPS 15. Why are you avoiding my question?

Nothing makes the Macbook Pro better for design. No where did I say that it's better. It's just that the price difference is negligible if/when you have a creative team that demands Macs, which very many of them do. Why do they demand them? You can argue all day long with their reasoning but at the end of the day their ability to create is more profitable than your ability to replace an SSD or RAM. We're talking hundreds of dollars for a tool that someone who creates hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of assets for the company over the life of the machine. It's a drop in the hat.

The fact is, it just doesn't make sense to have your IT team pop open computers to replace parts, creating a fleet of frankencomputers. It isn't cost effective when warranties do it for you and are cheaper and more reliable. Apple knows this, that's why Apple did this. From a consumer standpoint this sucks and I probably will never pay full or even the refurbished price for them. From a professional standpoint it's moot. I'll go with the badge on the computer and say that the "Pro" moniker is appropriate.

>Not an argument =)
You're right it isn't. But you're still an idiot.

>>57529991

This is one of the few redeeming points of Apple along with their mad scientist chip design team.

Too bad they're fucking up elsewhere and are too busy smelling their farts to notice. A fucking $300 book about their designs, talk about fapping to yourself.

>>57529991
Well that anedoctal evidence was pretty easy to prove wrong:
>ignore a screen issue that affects 11% iPhone 6 users
https://studentedge.com.au/article/apple-urged-to-acknowledge-touch-disease-in-iphone-6-devices
>refuse to replace hard drive that for guy who had spent thousands on Apple products even though the HDD was known to come from a bad batch
https://www.cnet.com/news/why-i-regret-buying-an-imac/
Tell me more about this magical world where a company gives a shit about users after the warranty is over.

>>57530083
>Nothing makes the Macbook Pro better for design.
There we go. Didn't even read past this point.

>>57528379
>having a password or apps on your computer
??????????????

>>57530199
That's because you're an idiot.

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>>57529991
>>57530189
>t. iToddler shill

>>57530083

>The fact is, it just doesn't make sense to have your IT team pop open computers to replace parts, creating a fleet of frankencomputers. It isn't cost effective when warranties do it for you and are cheaper and more reliable. Apple knows this, that's why Apple did this.

That's why Dell, HP, Lenovo, et al do this. This is nothing new to anyone except basement dwellers waiting for LibreOffice to finish compiling so they can write a few sentences and declare it good enough for anyone.

>>57529750
as outdated versions.

but what's your point, even? that's not a reason to use MaCoS10 if you already have it in better operating systems.

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>>57530219
I made this, where's my MBP?

>>57530229

>t. autistic manchild

>>57530083
>t. mactoddler poorfag

When a part in our Dell PowerEdge server fails, Dell knows about it before we do and overnights it to us and usually the first I find out about a part failure is when I find it in my mailbox in the morning. Stay poor and waiting in your 1000+ subhuman fag queues at the gaybar mactoddler.

>>57530248

>presents answer to argument
>moves goalposts by adding extra requirement after the fact

don't you have homework to do for your algebra II class tomorrow?

>>57530288
>t. mactoddler

>>57530344

>t. autistic manchild

>>57530321
It's kind of implied you shouldn't be using ancient versions. Even if it wasn't firstly mentioned as a requirement, if 2 systems have the same program, except one has a more recent version, that one is better on that aspect.

I've seen a lot of dumb macfag posts, but pretending like using old versions of a shell isn't a problem really takes the cake.

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>>57530321
but I'm actually asking what your argument was supposed to be

>use macos because it has colors
>sure but so do all other operating systems
>not an argument!!!1

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Oh look, we found Mactoddler Prime.

>>57530304
Servers are a whole different category and have much higher expectations of support. The fact that you think these two scenarios are similar are the reason why you're just the monkey that hotswaps the drive. This also gives further credence to the necessity of a warranty, thank you for proving that point.

>>57526009
>MACFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUCIDE WATCH
OP confirmed for dense fuckwit.

>>57530415
>t. mactoddler

>>57530412
>t. mactoddler poorfag whose "professional" computer's highest level of support is queuing at the gay bar

>>57530241
Apple corporate support contracts are bullshit, everything is still rather end consumer oriented, thus not really B2B suitable.

You have very little control outside of their predefined cookiecutter.
At best Apple can replace faulty computer 1 to 1 for a new one, but that's it.

Corporate customer expects to actually get the computer "fixed" - regardless how, meaning what they get back is functionally same - not a wiped out blank slate.

This is a major point playing in favor of Dell/Lenovo, as they in fact do regularly maintain fleet of modular "frankencomputers".

>>57530412
This was your post:
>It isn't cost effective when warranties do it for you and are cheaper and more reliable.
EVERY LAPTOP HAS A WARRANTY. He mentioned a server rack, but of course you ignored this: >>57530241
Let me guess "ok, but you don't get it, Apple's warranty is special".

>>57530304
>the first I find out about a part failure is when I find it in my mailbox in the morning.
That's tech expertise right there. Not.
IBM used to talk about one, two and three banana monkeys. You are a one banana monkey. You take the call and apply the fix. The diagnostics and logistics are beyond you. And I suppose you style yourself as a "sysop".

>>57526069
>not keeping backups
windows users, everybody!

>>57530241
At least Dell and Lenovo have service manuals for their clients IT.

Also, Dell definitively ships parts for their low-end PCs, I've seen it happen multiple times.

>>57530369

you didn't imply shit, nice try though

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>>57530412
>thinkpad dies
>hold one latch and push switch to pop out hard drive
>insert into another identical thinkpad
>works again perfectly with minimal downtime

>fruity toddler toy dies
>go to applel concentration camp
>line up at idiot bar
>have to smell the subhuman unwashed mactards and itards begging to have their pacifiers fixed
>get to idiot bar
>suck a million dicks
>pull down pants
>get BBC and AIDS
>"ok, here's your mac back, oh by the way all your data is gone"

Innovation.

>>57529273
>don't even recover the data
and now they can't.

>>57527602
>you have to buy a time capsule backup solution to not get fucked in the ass should anything minor happen to your laptop
>you have to buy expensive adapters to use any kind of connection with your macbook
>you have to buy bluetooth headphones...

Man, it's not like the base laptop is already expensive enough, if you don't want suffer you have to get all the other expensive shit too

>>57530530
How will mactoddlers ever recover?

>>57530457
Apple's lack of onsite support does suck, but this can be circumvented by having loaner computers to make sure there is no downtime for the end-user. Even with Dell's 4-hour onsite turnaround a loaner would still be needed to not lose half a business day of productivity.

This is indeed a point in Dell/Lenovo's favor, but definitely not the biggest factor.

>>57530468
No Apple's warranty isn't very special. But regardless of whether it's a Dell with a failing SSD or a Macbook, it should still be repaired under warranty, making the fact that the SSD is removable or not moot. Dell's onsite repair is convenient but far from the deciding factor.

>>57529157
I have a 2010 MBP. Daily use for 6 years. Not a single fault. I'm a normie

>>57530586
>t. mactoddler shill

>>57530530
yep
you have to consider that an employee not working for a day actually costs a lot

>>57530457

>Apple corporate support contracts are bullshit, everything is still rather end consumer oriented, thus not really B2B suitable.

Apple B2B is a fucking joke, no dispute there.

>You have very little control outside of their predefined cookiecutter.

You can configure a Mac with the limited selection of options Apple gives you, everywhere else gives you more options, but eventually you gonna get jewed and you'll have to move up a SKU as well.

>Corporate customer expects to actually get the computer "fixed" - regardless how, meaning what they get back is functionally same

Which is why it is often faster to get a whole new computer shipped anyways, Bob's wifi don't work no mo? Just give him a new one that's been reimaged with the company's OS configuration.

> - not a wiped out blank slate.
.....you have to be huge fucking retard to deploy workstations running the OEM image on them, hell you can order workstation WITHOUT an operating system on them because whatever was on there gets replaced with the corporate image anyways.

>This is a major point playing in favor of Dell/Lenovo, as they in fact do regularly maintain fleet of modular "frankencomputers".

Yeah, THEY manage it, not the business

>>57530671
...on the other hand employees with a macbooks are community managers or other worthless positions, likely unpaid interns

>>57530530
topkek

>>57530705

>unpaid interns getting Macbooks

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

good one anon

>>57527562
>iVerge shitting on Apple
Are they just doing it to be cool or have they really started criticizing them?

>>57530717
yea, retards blowing fuck tons of money to go to work for free

>>57530586
>>>57530457
>No Apple's warranty isn't very special. But regardless of whether it's a Dell with a failing SSD or a Macbook, it should still be repaired under warranty, making the fact that the SSD is removable or not moot.
What part of "warranties end" is proving hard to grasp, exactly?

>>57530717
I've seen it
desu it was the macbook we had for testing but that no developer wanted to use

>>57530586

>Apple's lack of onsite support does suck, but this can be circumvented by having loaner computers to make sure there is no downtime for the end-user

That still doesn't fix that Apple's business support is garbage next to Dell and HP

so what's the point of this thread? lmao'ing on mad poorfags

>>57530530
>thinkpad dies
>Management sees that all the "IT Guy" does is swap from one device to the other
>"Hmm, 50k salary for THAT?"
>Management switches to Macbooks
>Less problems, less need for IT
>Lays off IT Guy
>One less autistic pest in the office breathing down people's necks about not rebooting often enough
>Happier, more productive workforce

This shit is proven, you fucking NEETs. That's why these situations don't exist anymore. That's why your knowledge of replacing RAM or SSD is useless. That's why you're in a basement.

>>57530756
it's for all those mac customers who were going to swap out the SSD in their macbook pro.

you know. all those people. those tens of thousands.

>>57530586
>by having loaner computers to make sure there is no downtime for the end-user

Depends where you are situated, here (bumfuck nowhere eu), Apple won't lend you arbitrary hardware on short notice, especially if it's older hw revision no longer in production (preferably you want to have exact revision to avoid hackintosh-esque nightmares when swapping drives).

>>57530740

hey don't insult interns, we all have to start somewhere, even if that means being a slave to some company in exchange for experience

>in taking corporate dick

>>57530757
>switches to Macbooks

see >>57530530

>incompetent mactoddler manager gets fired for fucking up the entire company

>neckbeard gets rehired

>>57530744
What part of "it's dumb to keep out-of-warranty ANYTHING in production" is hard to grasp, exactly?

>>57530751
I agree with you. But I think I disagree in that being the #1 factor in deciding which one to go with.

>>57530802
So it's objectively worse, nice.

>>57530781
are you saying dell offers 4 hour turnaround to you? because if not, it just sounds like you live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere and nobody really supports you.

>>57530802
>warranty only lasts 1 year
>hahaha just get rid of it lol

>>57529750
But does that justify buying an overpriced machine just to use bash? Nope.

>>57529779
I know I don't speak for all of them, hence my ;^) and "from what I've seen"

Calm down.

>>57527187
eventually a busted key will require to throw away the entire CuckBook

>>57530802
>computers that work with minimal bullshit like having to go to a retail shop to get """""professional""""" support is not the #1 factor in deciding what computer to get

Spoken like a true mactoddler that's never worked in a real company in his life.

>>57527634
Its still a poor approach to security though.

>>57530757
>>57530671

>>57530757
But do businesses really let most workers save their work on their machine anyway? Where I work everyone is told to save and encouraged to save everything to the file server. Permissions are handled, the data is backed up and the server is also replicated. From what I've seen most corporations also just have their workers using thin clients.

Are you really falling back on this pointless argument because you can't afford a Mac?

>>57530897
No its the fact that macs aren't and don't have any business environment support

>>57529412
whatever you say, pajeet

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>>57530897
>can't afford a Mac
it's a shit computer regardless of price

>>57530853
no, it is actually very effective

>>57530757
Have you ever worked in an office before?

>>57530897
Adminfag here. We have small Macbook fleet for VIP faggots. Yes, data are synced to backup servers. No, imaging for mac is huge pita, because it is only very very basic - nothing on the level of dism/sysprep.

You generally can't have roaming profiles with mac either. Shit just doesn't work.

Restoring users profile from one computer on another after reimage is huge pita. This is not necessarily fault of apple as such - windows programs are equally crappy if not more. It's just that windows world has a big headstart with tooling to deal with this sort of shit (and microsoft actively trying to help you manage this).

Whereas apple will actively dissuade you from user roaming.

>>57530897
Whenever presented with something you can't do on Macs, macfags always find some contrived objectively inferior hotfix and pretend like it's the industry standard way. Apple could take away the screen and you retards would still go "well all major companies use ultra-wide monitors at desks, you're just poor".

>>57530478
>minor fault
>fault is a problem with display, wifi, usb, ram, keyboard, touchpad or anything else besides the storage that prevents the machine to boot
>lose access to all your data

data is still there, you can get it easi... oh no wait, I should have bought a time dildo to do incremental backups because I cant just take the fucking drive and plugit anywhere else.

>>57530801
If spending an extra $500-$1000 per computer "fucks up the entire company" then the company is in the shitter anyway. You know nothing. Stop pretending.

>>57531239
>spend 500$-1000$ per computer to lose features
Truly a good business decision.

>>57531239
>1000 dollars
>200+ employees
>gigantic 200000 purchase
>yea lets just replace all our 400 dollar desktop machines with 2000 dollar macbooks that won't do shit more for us

>>57530814
Warranty lasts 3, if you don't think Applecare or an extended warranty in a professional environment is a good investment then you're an idiot.

>>57530840
There's this thing called "overnight shipping" and spares.

>>57530897
Data accessibility isn't the issue here. It's poorfags squabbling over whether or not the $500-1000 premium for these laptops is worth it in a professional environment. The data would indeed live on a file server or be backed up or hopefully both, twice.

>>57530809
Yes, it is. Dell's comparable computers also have objectively worse build quality and trackpads. So?

>>57531318
>Warranty lasts 3, if you don't think Applecare or an extended warranty in a professional environment is a good investment then you're an idiot.
except HP, Dell, Lenovo all have business solutions and business warranties that are 3 years and more.

This isn't some exclusive thing to apple

>>57531318
>Data accessibility isn't the issue here. It's poorfags squabbling over whether or not the $500-1000 premium for these laptops is worth it in a professional environment. The data would indeed live on a file server or be backed up or hopefully both, twice.
with the majority of business class solutions NOT going anywhere near apple, its obvious they aren't competing at all

>>57531318
Show me how a XPS 15 has objectively worse build quality.
>objectively worse trackpad
Do you even know what 'objective' means, you retard?

>>57531255
Lose what features? The SD slot and USB-A? OK.

>>57531284
The cost of a computer in a work environment is not just the sticker price. IT labor is a factor. User experience and efficiency is a factor. Macs have been proven to be much better on IT labor and user experience (for non-ricing NEET basement dwellers, that is). An office running on $400 desktops is blowing plenty of cash on a overburdened IT department and frustrated users.

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>>57531318
>t. mactoddler

>>57531338
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2998315/apple-mac/every-mac-we-buy-is-making-and-saving-ibm-money-ibm.html

Here comes:
>shill post
>shill article
>IBM is a shill
>conspiracy

>>57531380
Being able to replace the ssd, ram, use wifi and usb at the same time... You can say these don't matter, but at the end of the day my xps can do this and the MBP can't, despite being more expensive. Literally paying more for less.

For this entire thread you've been unable to present a single objective pro of the MBP, just opinions and hand-waiving every flaw.

>>57531408
>t. mactoddler

>>57531360
>XPS
It flexes.
>Trackpad
It sucks. It isn't anywhere near the Macbook's trackpad in terms of responsiveness, gestures, etc.

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>>57531419
>>57531318
>trackshit

>>57531419
>flexes
OH THE FUCKING HORROR IT MOVES LIKE 1 MILIMETER meanwhile the MBP can't use wifi and usb at the same time, but sure, it has "objectively better quality".
>it sucks
Oh, so you really have absolutely no clue what "objectively" means, cute.

>>57531409
If you were valued at $150/hr then it isn't worth your time to replace the RAM, SSD, etc. Not even worth your time to diagnose the problem and unscrew the bottom plate. That's what warranties are for and that's why businesses buy and use them.

Being expected to replace and fix things yourself is not a 'feature' it's a burden on the average end-user. Just because YOU know how doesn't make it a valuable skill. Notice how cobbling isn't a huge profession anymore? Because shoes are cheap and just get returned or replaced.

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>>57531419
>It flexes.

That's a pro you mactoddler moron.

>>57531454
So you agree it has inferior build quality.

My statement was subjective. In my opinion, having all of my touches, clicks, and gestures correctly interpreted 100% of the time is better than Dell's shitty alternative.

>>57531456
For the third time: every laptop on the planet comes with a warranty. Being able to swap components is an option, and if you get paid whatever hallucination number you've come up with to impress /g/ then just don't use that option. I don't see how NOT being able to do it is better.

>>57530586
Dell is utter shit, their laptops look like garbage and Windows 7 fucking sucks

>>57527230
>new macbooks
>thunderbolt
Anon, there are things you should know....

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>>57531456
>If you were valued at $150/hr then it isn't worth your time to replace the RAM, SSD, etc.

And it's definitely not worth your time waiting at the gaybar because you decided to buy a fragile fruity toddler toy for work instead of a real computer.

>>57531487
>t. mactoddler

>>57531476
That's not aluminum, it doesn't flex like that. Hell, most plastics don't flex like that when they're more than a few mm thick.

>>57531480
No I do not. Carbon fiber flexes, it's still a fantastic build material that can provide the same strength of aluminum at a much lower weight. That's not being inferior by any means, no one cares if it flexes when you press down because it never happens in normal use.
Meanwhile, the MBP can't use wifi and usb at the same time. Are you going to pretend not to notice that part a 3rd time?
>my statement was subjective
Then why are you replying to a request about objective qualities? Are you seriously this stupid? I'm not asking about what your faggot ass enjoys, I'm asking about things that don't depend on opinions.

>>57530725
the shillbux checks stopped coming in. this is their way of reminding apple to get them rolling back in.

>>57530725
>>57531533
Yeah, that's why they gave the new MacBook Pro a recommendation and an 8/10 score in their review. "The decision to only include USB-C ruins the usefulness of the machine, but we still recommend it."

Verge is shit

>>57530949
their finance company wants you to have over 700 credit to get approval, and even then its ghetto ripoff tier 30% APR

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Anyone who uses apple products are probably chads, stacies, ignorant, hillary supporters, cucks, jews, morons, hipsters and generally have around 30 to 50 less IQ than the general population or were probably dropped on their heads as an infant by their mom or by that aunt that nobody wants to talk about.

>>57531408
>click bait
>one company that doesn't even do consumer shit anymore
>yea we bought a couple macs for our higher end shit and we're saving money
can't wait till they over come that initial investment in "savings" some 10 years from now.

>>57531380
>The cost of a computer in a work environment is not just the sticker price. IT labor is a factor. User experience and efficiency is a factor. Macs have been proven to be much better on IT labor and user experience (for non-ricing NEET basement dwellers, that is). An office running on $400 desktops is blowing plenty of cash on a overburdened IT department and frustrated users.
nice shift in the goal posts. Every major company has an IT department

>macs proven
and companies still aren't picking them up because they flat out don't work with the windows enterprise systems

>>57531514
that poor dog has probably licked more peanut butter from that "persons" crotch, than some companies make in a year.

the latest mbp can't even run shadeshifter anymore

lmao

>>57531567
>their finance company wants you to have over 700 credit to get approval, and even then its ghetto ripoff tier 30% APR
Not a shock, it's effectively an unsecured loan as a computer is a horrible piece of collateral

>>57531380
>a mactoddler's only defense is to compare $2000 brand new macs to $400 used PCs

Every time.

>>57531596
the latest MBP has no legacy ports and all your devices are now useless

you can't even plug in your iphone to your mbp because they don't share ANY port what so ever

>>57531609
the latest MBP can't use a USB-C device and wifi at the same time

how do we cuck tim cook out of his ceo chair?

we need some fake story that makes him lose hes job

>>57529725
You can get bash on Windows and it's on OSX by default.

>>57531482
IT labor is expensive. $150/hr is high but not uncommon for a lot of businesses to be billed that.

NOT being able to do it isn't better or worse, because doing it at all shouldn't happen in the first place unless your IT department consists of monkeys. Which, if it does, is a bad IT department.

>>57531514
Shipping.

>>57531532
>Carbon fiber
OK whatever you say. Arguing over nothing at this point. You're right.
>wifi and usb issue
Never encountered this in the 100 or so Retina Macbook Pros that I've deployed over the past 3-4 years.

>>57531641
he's secretly a nongay evangelical christian that supports trump, gun rights, and hates democrats and people with art and gender studies associate degrees from community colleges who work as waiters.

>>57531662
>IT labor is expensive. $150/hr is high but not uncommon for a lot of businesses to be billed that.
Most companies will integrate their IT solutions. Meaning they'd rather pay some of their own IT employees 50k a year than pay a third party 150 dollars an hour

>>57531586
Yeah every company does have an IT department. I'd just rather have an IT department filled with people who have real skills and aren't busy shitting their pants resisting the new Macbooks because they won't be able to replace the SSD. The days of the IT guy popping open a laptop are over because it's proven to be more cost effective to have the OEM do it for you via warranty. Seriously, prove me wrong.

>>57531641
We should spread rumours that he is gay

>>57530369
>New versions are implicitly better
lol no. You definitely don't know what you're talking about, and it's pretty easy to update bash or even use a different shell on macOS.

>>57531682
It's literally impossible to say "most". MSPs are growing. The industry is changing and this laptop is indicative of that. The in-house IT guy's role is changing drastically or being made obsolete all together.

>>57531687
Thanks for stating the obvious, HP, Dell, and Lenovo already have business enterprise solutions that dwarf the capabilities of Apple. Apple doesn't even advertise to businesses anymore after they dropped support for their Mac Pro and Mac Server.

>>57531662
>NOT being able to do it isn't better or worse
Didn't read this paragraph further. This statement is objectively false. Whether you personally think it's irrelevant or not not, or whether the trillion-dollar company you totally work for thinks it's a waste of time or not, has nothing to do with being better or not. You continuously post opinions like they're objective facts.

It's also cute how every single flaw of the MBP is waved away, but the pros are oxygen.
>can't swap out the ssd? Who cares
>I need to replace the whole thing if a single component dies? Who cares
>trackpad gestures are essential though!

>Never encountered this in the 100 or so Retina Macbook Pros that I've deployed over the past 3-4 years.
It's a problem with the latest generation, they never had this problem before. It's the biggest build quality issue the MBP line has ever had.

>>57531695
Ok show me how the shell version of macOS is better than the current one in, say, Fedora or Ubuntu.

>>57531752
OK so it's objectively better to be able to replace the SSD. Great. It's literally bottom of the list when considering this machine for a professional environment when any sane person would expect the OEM to do it for cheaper and better, but it's still that smidgen better. At an almost completely and totally insignificant level it is better.

>It's a problem with the latest generation, they never had this problem before. It's the biggest build quality issue the MBP line has ever had.
I truly am not aware of this. Link?

>>57531764
I'm saying that the latest version isn't always the best version. Plus you can easily update bash to the same version as Ubuntu using homebrew. It's a non issue.

>>57531796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYVjIjBMx6o
It's a freaking huge video, and he has a follow-up where he tries a different adapter or something. There are other reports, but I think Louis was the first to notice this.

>>57531840
>using homebrew
So I either use an outdated shell or have to resolve path conflicts by using 2 package managers both trying to install the same binary.
Or I could use Linux that solves both problems.

>>57531842
I'm not watching that whole thing. What part?

>>57531842
The issue he observes is related to Apple purposefully using a newer revision of Thunderbolt 3 that is not properly backwards compatible with older versions of Thunderbolt 3. It was probably intentional to force you to buy new Apple adapters.

https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/03/2016-macbook-pro-thunderbolt-compatibility-issues/

>>57531872
The entire video is about it. You've been in this thread for longer than the duration of the video.

>>57531876
The adapter is compatible, he can use the microscope just fine, it's the wifi that cuts off when you use USB.

>>57531863
>2 package managers
You don't need to install both. Just choose one. I've been using homebrew. I still don't see how it's an issue.

>>57531876
That's not the same issue, otherwise the TB3 device wouldn't have worked.

>>57531903
>The adapter is compatible, he can use the microscope just fine, it's the wifi that cuts off when you use USB.
The WiFi issues are likely related to the Thunderbolt compatibility issues

regardless, Apple is shit

>>57531916
Mate the App Store is a package manager, just a primitive one. Bash comes pre-installed, and when you use homebrew it tries to link bash to its own binary. Homebrew has some automated procedure to help with this, but let's not even pretend it's the same as using a single proper package manager.

>>57531903
Touche. I watched 5 mins and got the idea. Good to know!

However, it's not proven to be widespread, it's not proven to be unfixable via patching. It's too early to tell. Buying any brand spanking new release is a risk, so this gives that idea credence. However, trying to use that to paint Apple or Macbooks in general as being unreliable or faulty is a stretch at best.

>>57531842
>>57531876
>>57531903
>>57531935

I'm not going to watch the whole thing. Does he test for signal interference from the port?

>>57531935
The Thunderbolt compatibility issues are done by choice if you actually read the article. I don't think they're related.

>>57529713
thats what most normies do tho. they dont know how to fix and they dont want to learn how to fix things.. like if you say to a normalfag how to do something they will just say that i dont know how to do that i dont want to do that and i dont understand. it could even be something very simple like resizing a window

>>57531961
>Does he test for signal interference from the port?
No

The WiFi adapter is on PCIe and Thunderbolt is a direct connection to PCIe, it's not shocking that an incompatible Thunderbolt device would screw with other PCIe devices. Apple still deserves blame though as this kind of issue was totally foreseeable and it seems like it was intentional to ensure people would be forced to buy official Apple dongles.

>>57526009
Holy fuck, what are people going to do once their $2000 shitbook with meme storage going to do in a few years when they start failing?

>>57531942
Oh Christ.
>it's not widespread!
>they could patch it!
>this doesn't mean anything, ok?
The fact that you go through this level of damage control over not being able to use 2 of the most common functions in a laptop, but at the same time present carbon fiber flexing when you press on it hard as a serious build quality issue, lets me know you're too emotionally invested in Apple to be able to have an unbiased discussion.

Posted from my XPS 13 that can miraculously do 2 things at once

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>>57531678
>supports trump

But that's not fake.

>>57532036
I'm not on damage control, I'm just not jumping to conclusions to fit my predetermined hatred for a laptop manufacturer.

If this is indeed widespread and causes a recall, then yeah that's shitty and another nail in the coffin for Apple. If it isn't, if it's a one-off fluke, then that's fine. Should I look up every problem that anyone has ever posted on Youtube or any forum about your XPS 13 and cite that as reasoning for why you're a fucking idiot for buying one? No, I won't, because you aren't, because the XPS 13 is a fine laptop, just like the Macbooks are. The Macbooks are just much more expensive. An expense that businesses can justify. What is so wrong with that?

>>57532110
As a Macfag, the new MacBook Pros are shit

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Vast majority of IT support calls is for third party software, printer/copier problems, and user error (passwords), and has fuck all to do with the OS or the hardware it's on.

The only reason macs have less support calls is they're toddler toys and no one makes business software for it.

Just saiyan.

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>>57532110
>If this is indeed widespread and causes a recall
Apple never recalls anything, because that would involve admitting they made a mistake.

>>57526039

So, this is what they meant by "brave".

>>57532137
How many times has Windows Update broken something, or just been broken in itself? How many times have you stopped / started the spooling service in your life?
>no one makes business software for it
NEET confirmed.

>>57527502

...With Flexible PCB tech out these days...

>>57532253
>spooler
Zero on Linux, more than acceptable on Windows.
Windows update also sucks hard. In my head Finder and Windows Update have a fight over which is the worst piece of software I've ever used in my life.

>>57532308
Maybe Windows Update. They're barely adding differential updates.

>>57532150
they've done replacement programs for loads of their shit you idiot.

>>57532378
Only after losing class action lawsuits and being forced to by court orders.

>>57531513
It has USB type C ports with thunderbolt built in. It's actually an amazing port

>>57532939
>t. mactoddler

>>57532939
The new port would be amazing, if it wasn't the only fucking port they offered. They should have kept USB type A, SD card, and magsafe and just replaced the old mini-DisplayPort / Thunderbolt 2 ports.

>>57532952
>bitching about a single standard for everything
brand zealots, everybody!

>>57532952
You're in the running for the most autistic person on this board. it's impressive.

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>>57532987
>t. mactoddler

>>57533028
lmao

>>57527562
>>>>>HURRRRRRRRR I'M RETARDED HURRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>57532976
not the guy you're posting to, but keeping all of those things would 1) have been impossible and 2) have signaled to consumers that this is a stopgap measure.

also, apple has a history of doing this. they don't give a shit about legacy users. you can bitch and moan about it all you want, but the macro level view is that some manufacturer needs to do this and every other manufacturer is too timid to do it.

apple did the same thing with the MBA and with a few other devices. i remember /g/ having a fucking fit over the absence of an optical drive. maybe it's too early right now, but apple figures the people that buy in now won't regret it in a year or two.

>>57533071
I also think that USB-C is a non issue since you can just replace your regular USB-A cables with USB-C cables. It's still USB. And I think this makes it easier for docking to a proper desk setup.

>>57532100
SHUT
IT
DOWN

>>57532939
>BUILT IN
>USING ADAPTERS
BRILLIANT, BEAUTIFUL PURE INNOVATION!!!

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>>57532100
MACTODDLERS

KUCKED

AGAIN

>>57533071
>but keeping all of those things would 1) have been impossible
No it wouldn't, other laptops include USB-C with full 40Gbps Thunderbolt 3 support alongside HDMI and other ports.

>you can bitch and moan about it all you want
Next time I spend 2 grand on a laptop, it'll be from another manufacturer.

>>57533118
Ah yes, and I can replace the USB cables for all of my devices, and then buy a new SD card to USB-C reader, and a HDMI to USB C, and a DisplayPort to USB C. It's going to be wonderful.

>>57533419
Yup. I'm mad I'm going to have to buy cables. I've never had to buy cables before.
You also conveniently ignored the docking station part.

>>57533451
when did they start making a docking station, and how much are they going to charge for it due to removing functionality from their hardware?

that what this all boils down to, being lazy and doing less with less, for more money.

>>57533506
So plugging in one cable to my computer that handles power, keyboard, mouse, displays and other devices is a bad thing?

>>57533551
How would anybody know if there is nobody that simply has tried it yet?

>ctrl+f toddler
>44 results

Its time to learn more insults, pajeet.

>>57533551
Apple doesn't make the Thunderbolt Display anymore and the last version they made had Magsafe 1.

I'd rather keep magsafe for the 100% of the time users don't have a Thunderbolt 3 dock to use with their computer, seeing as there are none that are currently compatible with the new MacBook Pros.

>>57533551
did they even make a dock for the new macbook yet?

I'm not trying to be an asshole about it, I just dont see why being forced to buy peripherals to gain the productivity of the previous generation back. honestly i would be ok with it all, it if had like 5 usb-c ports, incase something fucky happened. I'm a big believer in redundancy of hardware. having a bigger, and more complete toolset is never a bad thing.

>>57527197
>http://www.wired.co.uk/gallery/apple-book-photos-cost
whattttt

>>57534046
Officially, no. But you can get docks from various third parties, plus the LG display they advertise includes more USB-C ports

>>57533758
>t. mactoddler

>>57526115
That much BGA fuckery for some data?
I'm sure he'd just say to send it to a recovery house.

>>57531433
>using computer in the rain
>dropping things on it
You're the kind of faggot who needs a case on their phone because they completely incapable of caring for the shit someone else probably bought them or they bought on credit.