Why are data caps a thing?

MONEY
there is literally no legitimate reason
/thread

>>57521224
so good goyim behave

Did they fucking inject that into your web page?

>>57521224
Depends who you ask. Telecom consultant shills will tell you that it's to "incentivize infrastructure development". Even though marketing guys are busy touting how great the network is. Just about everyone else will tell you it's to insert male sex organs into your bum. Those people are right.

See:
>>57521239

>>57521245
Yes, they do.

>>57521224
>why do I have to pay more for my water service if I use more water?

>>57521224
>tfw Google Fiber.
>tfw TWC in area too.

FUCK COMCAST!

>>57521251
Fuck me

>>57521224
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly

>>57521255
>Google Fiber.
RIP sweet prince

>>57521224
>not using https
degenerate

>tfw 6mbit/s and 150GB a month for over $100
>can't change ISPs because AT&T locked other providers out of my apartment complex

I need to fucking move. This shit should be illegal.

>>57521253
The difference is that you don't have to treat data to make it safe for consumption. It weighs a lot less too.

Though we clearly all shit into our data more than we do water because we're posting in a hungarian tire rotating facility.

>>57521287
Why isn't internet free then? The wires are already there.

>>57521224
Not defending data caps but how exactly does one use up 1 TB in a month? I can barely scrape 300 GB per month with all the chinese cartoons I torrent

>>57521253
That's a stupid argument.
I pay 300 dollars once a year and use all the water I want.
If I dug a well, I wouldn't have to pay anything.

>>57521292
There are still other bills to pay such as electricity and maintenance.

>>57521359
Really? ALL the water you want? Have you ever just left all the faucets in your home running for an entire year?

>>57521292
They do require maintenance and people like higher speeds so you do need to fund development. The point is that using more data doesn't actually cost ISPs -that- much more money.

Huge discrepancy between the price to provide data vs the price consumers pay. The FCC just ruled on this. They found that wireless providers couldn't provide any evidence that data caps were justified, got spooked by a huge merger and banned data caps entirely for 7 years.

>>57521373
And people who use more bandwidth require more cables to be laid down, which leads to higher maintenance costs.

>>57521377
Then why do we now have data caps? On Xfinity at least

>>57521375
No because that's mental. If I did, then I would rightfully be stopped or my house would rot because of water damage.

Same thing with DDoS attacks. There is such thing as excessive usage, but normal consumers rarely get there. I mean I know you're just shitposting but ya.

>>57521375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgpcUC-4IgI

>>57521387
I'm conflating wireless and wired. Data caps on wired. No data caps on wireless. Though they're pulling some bullshit where you get an allotment of LTE, then get but on unlimited shit internet.

>>57521391
1TB a month is mental. Nobody needs 1TB a month unless you are running DDOS attacks, seeding illegal media 24/7, or running a large website.

>>57521224
because people in 3rd world countries have caps so logically we need them too

thankfully my ISP doesn't impose that bullshit (yet). next billing cycle they're even going to double my speed for free

>>57521403
Is there some petition I can sign concerning the new Xfinity data caps?? This is absurd

>>57521224
Artificial scarcity to Jew you out of more money

>>57521405
Maybe you have a large family that all stream 4k movies all day. Maybe you -do- have a large website. Maybe you're seeding legal media 24/7. Point is that ISPs shouldn't be charging exorbitant prices on everyday users.

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>>57521405

>>57521224
It's so that the nerds don't block the tubes for the rest of us.

>>57521294
You stream video.

The other reason they have caps is because they want to push you into subscribing to their pay TV service instead of being a cord-cutter

>>57521414
Complain to the FCC, find petitions, make angry calls all the time. Read up on telecom law. I'm a canuck and don't have a comprehensive idea of how you're shit works. You yanks are fucking weird and have municipalities decide telecom stuff.

>>57521420
1TB/month is NOT every day usage. assholes like you are what ruin good things for everyone else

also most ISPs do not allow you to host websites or email servers, that's what the business tier is for

>>57521224
>>57521224
They aren't. Not in 1st world countries.

>>57521427
>they want to push you into subscribing to their pay TV service
This. Nothing makes telecom companies shit their pants like no data caps + netflix

Tfw routers and switches are designed to work at max capacity and there's literally no reason data caps need to exist

>upload speed a tenth of download speed in 99% of plans

Why even live?

>>57521420
1TB is 37 straight days of netflix.

>>57521448
now divide that by every person in the house

>>57521435
>also most ISPs do not allow you to host websites or email servers, that's what the business tier is for
there's also no reason, save for extortion, that you shouldn't be allowed to host servers on residential internet. It's the same as data caps, a completely pointless restriction that exists only as an excuse to charge fees.

>>57521435
I'm not saying 1TB/month is everyday usage. I'm just saying that the option should be made available.

Especially because there is no reason to institute data caps when you as much money as telecoms do. You don't need to hamstring people to afford infrastructure development.

>>57521452
Why single people pay as much as families?

Australian here.
Data caps have always been a thing. It sucks.

Aren't they relatively new to you burgers?

>>57521460
Because that's how it works?

>>57521465
So you're saying a family of 4 should also be able to spend the same amount on groceries and get 4 times the food as someone living alone?

>>57521224
They aren't.

>>57521462
Yes, because now they're actually being enforced

>>57521470
I'm all for neat analogies to explain the net. But food and data aren't neat analogies, neither is water and data.

>>57521377
>The FCC just ruled on this. They found that wireless providers couldn't provide any evidence that data caps were justified, got spooked by a huge merger and banned data caps entirely for 7 years.

Didn't Comcast just put out data caps a couple weeks ago on people who didn't have data caps? Are they going to have to undo that? Or is that just for wireless providers?

>>57521482
So data costs nothing? We should just all get it for free?

>>57521491
Just wireless. I should have been clearer.
See:
>>57521403

>>57521462
Way back when in the dark days of the early 90s pretty much all ISPs had draconian per-hour charges. Then it turned into getting a certain number of hours free before they fucked you in the ass. (Ever seen an old AOL CD that advertises "X Free Hours!!" for some X? Thats what was going on) Then the dot.com boom happened and corporate America collectively forgot about being profitable. Dial-up turned into flat rate, and there were a couple of companies based on the business model "We're going to give you free internet" Most had a little program that showed ads to try and make back the money. I think there was one that didn't bother with that, and just announced they planned to give away free internet with no monetization plan. This being 1999, their stock price promptly soared.

Then after that in the 2000s broadband started being a thing and there were, indeed, no caps for a long time. I believe this was because in the 90s a gorillion miles of fiber got laid to prepare for the NEW PARADIGM that was expected to occur, but didn't, so ISPs were just happy to have this otherwise useless asset doing *something*. It is only since the 2010s or so that broadband has become so ubiquitous and relied upon that telecoms have started trying to artificially restrict its supply to drum up more revenue.

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>>57521405
>1TB a month is mental. Nobody needs 1TB a month unless you are running DDOS attacks, seeding illegal media 24/7, or running a large website.

Well.... yeah!

>>57521494
>So data costs nothing?
No

>We should just all get it for free?
No

We shouldn't have data caps, and we shouldn't be paying so much for it.

>>57521494
The data that the average user will use will cost next to nothing. The data the average burgerfamily will use will cost next to nothing. Costs like this only work at larger scales. How much does it cost to service an entire neighbourhood? A city? Find out this cost across a municipality, because that's how ISPs have to dole their shit out, add some extra for development/maintenance and make it a flat rate for everyone.

Why don't you stop being a cheap Jew and subscribe to business tier Internet?

question: how exactly is data usage costly for ISPs once they have the infrastructure built? it it purely profiteering?

>>57521494
during off-peak hours it pretty much does cost nothing. The infrastructure is already there and running, and its capacity vastly exceeds demand. So why I shouldn't be able to use it freely when there's no contention for it, I don't know.

>>57521521
Why should average users be paying for all the pedos constantly using their bandwidth on uploading CP? Sounds like socialism.

>>57521523
Many ISPs won't give it to you at a residential address, even if you're willing to pay the (exorbitant) price tag.

If they did I'd probably get it and tell my neighbors they could leech off my wi-fi for $20 a month to recoup the difference in cost

>>57521526
>i shouldn't have to pay for driving on a toll road at 3 AM! no one's using it now! never mind infrastructure and maintenance costs!

/g/ logic

>>57521525
There's always the next big thing. And the industry tends to get concentrated. You're paying your internet so that they can fund their TV production or their new fibre network, etc. But even then, isn't fair to gouge on data caps.

>>57521535
That's because they would have to upgrade their infrastructure so they don't fuck themselves over.
They oversell the shit out of everything.

Korean here.
100mb/s speed no caps
20$ per month

>>57521538
You literally shouldn't. The toll is there to tamp down demand and try and prevent the traffic from jamming.

Plenty of states with toll roads give reduced or free tolls overnight for trucks to try and prod trucking companies to run their trucks overnight (when the large, expensive highway is pretty much deserted) instead of during the day (when it's filled with commuters)

>>57521538
No one is saying it should be free. Just don't charge people who like to drive a lot more for the cost of maintaining roads.

>>57521533
It is. You're also the direct beneficiary of an open internet. If you don't like things that reek of socialism, better get off the internet generally.

>>57521551
You also have a GDP per capital of $20,000 per year less than the U.S.

>>57521494
The "ideal" method would be to find what proportion of the network node someone is utilizing, and bill them based off of that.
This is because the cost associated with a network is the maintenance and support, not the actual transmission of data. That's free.
Unfortunately, it's very difficult to come up with a neutral metric describing the stress that any particular host puts on a network. If you use 70% of your neighborhood's B/W on off hours, it's effectively free (as far as the network is concerned). Streaming netflix at peak hours, though, actually stresses the network because your node could be maxed out, forcing the slow of traffic in general.

Maybe a peak usage billing method would be more fair.

ISPs want us to believe that data is like water, with only so much data to go around.

>>57521560
This. Except most of the internet's roads are mostly empty all the time. Fuck the toll if you're already paying for the road.

>>57521239
You don't /thread your own post, my dude

>>57521570
their president is also a retard

>>57521538
Infrastructure and maintenance costs are extremely small when applied to off peak traffic.

Data transit is not like a truck that wears out the road, it doesn't matter if the router runs at 95% capacity or 5%.

>>57521595
that bitch will be replaced soon
our intelligence agency intervened in the election 4 years ago, and the media support her
that's why that bitch was elected

>>57521589
Will you do it for me senpai?

>>57521612
So the solution is to just say fuck it and let everyone use as much as they want?

I have glorious t-mobile I don't know what a data cap

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>land of the free
>has datacaps1
stay classy, muricunts :-)

>>57521640
Honestly, yeah.

>>57521659
What the fuck did you just say to me, Michael John? You little bitch.

>>57521640
Notice how I said:
>off peak traffic

The amount of traffic transferred at peak times is what dictates the size and cost of a network.

Data caps are like Negan in The Walking Dead.

>>57521612
>it doesn't matter if the router runs at 95% capacity or 5%.
it does though, if their datacenter is not properly cooled down

>>57521224
What's worse is how they are actively injecting code and modifying web pages you are viewing.

And to answer your question: because average Joe is too dumb to know any better and complain, so they got away with it.

>>57521690
I thought that injection shit didn't work over https?

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>>57521683
>What the fuck did you just say to me, Michael John? You little bitch.
>land of the free
>has datacaps1
stay classy, muricunts :-)

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>>57521659
Rather have a data cap than a family dead by "refuges"

>>57521688
Routers generate so little heat compared to a server it's not even funny.

If your DC has such poor ventilation that your routers die, it's probably in the triple digits.

>>57521696
>I thought that injection shit didn't work over https?
It doesn't (or at least, shouldn't. If it does, you're REALLY fucked as they have their certificate in your trusted store and are spoofing), but OP's not using https for that page.

>>57521716
you're going to get both idiot. because you were dumb enough to believe that an nyc billionaire was an anti-establishment candidate.

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>>57521737
Oh you're one of those degenerate fags. Go to the middle east so they throw your faggot ass off a roof.

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>>57521747
Shut up, Tyler

>>57521747
Fuck OFF Tyler S.

>not browsing using https

>>57521256
>>57521267
Next version will feature a comprehensive security suite using adaptive cloud mitigation strategies via ota attack interception. Also, you only need to trust one certificate, which overcomes today's trust problems with CAs.

>>57521753
fuck off spyridon go to bed

>complaining about 1tb cap
>i have 250bg

>>57521789
SHUT UP STALLMANN

>>57521405
Yeah, ban extended capacity assault unlimited plans!

Feels good to live in a country with dirt cheap internet.

>>57521224
Have you tried not living in Burgerstan?

>>57521412
I live in a shithole and i have no caps.

>>57521359
>If I dug a well, I wouldn't have to pay anything.
But you'd have to invest the time/energy/money to dug the well and make an initial investment.

>>57521224
Stop abusing the network faggot. Some of us would like some internets too

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>>57521224
>1024 GB monthly
[sweating intensifies]

>>57521224
I have no data caps since like ~2006.
Download speeds ~50-60mb/s.
Pay ~8-9€ a month.

Mobile internet also no data caps.

The ISP also gives a free cloud service ~300GB.

>been using my phone as tether for the last month to save money
>despite going over the limit, it doesn't detect me going over it
>basically 3-6mb/s
>pay 30 burgers a month for this

Eh. It works.

Eastern Yurop
700/350 net
equivalent of $25/month
no data caps

You sure are 1st world there.

>>57521224
> Not using https
> Allowing your ISP to display whatever the fuck he wants in your browser

>>57521224

It's very simple.

It costs more money to build infrastructure that has higher data transfer capacity. The less capacity you need, the less you pay for that infrastructure. Also, if you have less average capacity being taken up per user, then you can subscribe more customers without having to upgrade your infrastructure.

If you introduce caps, then it reduces the amount of data traffic as people run out of cap or are forced to download less stuff.

TL;DR - Less data usage = Can skimp on infrastructure, and/or more paying customers sharing the same infrastructure.

>>57521405
>Nobody needs 1TB a month unless you are running DDOS attacks, seeding illegal media 24/7, or running a large website.

Or you watch shit on youtube and Netflix in 1080p.

>>57521224
They're not, unless you're a cuck.

>>57522630
Don't say that, people in Land of the Free™ are being triggered, be nice.

>>57521224
Jesus I haven't seen a warning ever since Comcast upped the limit to a terabyte. What the fuck do you even do?
I'm happy that it's an actual terabyte and not a storage meme terabyte.
The answer is this >>57521239

caps are almost nonexistant in bongland.
uncapped usually costs just a few £ more than capped, so only extreme poor/jewfags go for the limited packages

>>57522992
Monthly the average for me is about 8TB and I don't even torrent that much, I don't get how you people can live with just 1TB.

>>57523010
>I don't even torrent that much
What the fuck do you do?
>inb4 netflix and chill bruh
>falling for the stream meme

>>57523021
>falling for the stream meme
Doesn't matter if you stream or download, the data is still coming over the cables.

>>57521373
Also the serving and routing of the data.

A 4K video is going to require more hardware than a text file.

>>57521224
Because you're in america

>>57523041
>stream the same movie n times
>n times the size in bandwidth is used
>download the movie and watch it repeatedly
>only use the size of the movie in your bandwidth

>>57522435
>pay 30 burgers a month for this
kek, while people are like >>57522630
'murican market is fucked

>>57523059
Why would I watch it several times? Even when downloading you delete it afterwards. Cheap unlimited fast internet makes it pointless to even store it.

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>>57523071
some movies are worth rewatching.
ans sometimes you may be stuck without internet and unable to stream

>>57523071
>Even when downloading you delete it afterwards
Nice presumptions there, friendo.
>unlimited fast internet
We're talking AMERICAN FREEDOM internet here. Take your third world commie shit and get out, gypsy.

>>57521403
This is my Verizon plan now starting this past Saturday. They'd never mentioned it before and then they acted like it was this great new idea they were offering me. I guess this is why that happened. Remains to be seen how shitty it is.

>>57523086
>ans sometimes you may be stuck without internet and unable to stream
I don't stream btw, I download, seed while watching and delete afterwards.

Also I have never been without internet for the past 10 years at least, running both the router and computer off a industrial UPS.
Even when switching plans or if they work on the network, it's still up and a seamless transmission.

>>57521224
>Browsing HTTP

>>57523088
>Nice presumptions there, friendo.
If it only takes 2 minutes to download a movie, why even bother saving it, the internet is cheaper than storage, even if you store it on a NAS with mechanical cheapo drives, it will take you the same time to get to the movie then just to redownload it, specially useful if you only have like 4TB solid state only storage.

Also not my fault you're an idiot and get cucked. I enjoy my life in "never been a commie country", "if you don't want to work just live perfectly off welfare" "shithole".

>>57523142
>why even bother saving it
To me, it's a bother to delete it.
>the internet is cheaper than storage
Again, we're talking about MURICAN internet and this is completely untrue. Even if it weren't and I paid $25/month, I don't even use more than 500 gigs a month, and that's with a family with bunch of Netflix and IPTV streaming, which means that if I buy a 1TB hard drive for ~$50, it'd take me two months to fill it up. If it were just me using the drive, it'd take even longer, meaning storage space is of little concern to me.
>Also not my fault you're an idiot and got cucked.
>taking a self deprecating joke at my own expense this seriously
Jesus Christ man, lighten the fuck up. I'm merely remarking that American ISPs are Jews compared to European ones, while also being brazenly American about it.
Ultimately though, what you do with your storage space is a subjective thing. We don't get anywhere arguing one way or the other. You've brought up a way in which your home network can never go down (the UPS thing), and that's pretty clever, but I don't see myself doing that. It's your preference that I'm not obliged to follow. Likewise, I like to hoard data. If you prefer deleting it, I couldn't give less of a shit. It's yours, do with it as you please.
My only point is that hoarding data is more flexible than relying on the internet for your media. And this is true if you have Comcast (which, has a monopoly in my region of the states). It's not common, but there are at least 3 or 4 outages per year in my area and sometimes they throttle you for no fucking reason.

>>57523228
No hate dude, just felt like being a little mean to our ameribros

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>>57521224
>not using https

>>57523264
prob blocks from using it so the ISP has more control

I don't understand how you can reach 1TB a month with a normal usage.
While i don't have netflix i do watch crap on twitch, youtube, online tv and download a few movies and i'm at only 153GB for the past 30 days, hell i have an extra 20GB because i downloaded revelation online recently.
The fuck are you all doing to reach that cap?

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>>57523289
fucking normies on /g/ again

>>57523289
>The fuck are you all doing
Provide

>>57523413
Consume

>>57523289
I'm a collector, so every month I download 2-3 seasons worth of content.

I also collect games,(PS3,PS4,PC). One PS3 game is 10~15GB.

I also collect a ton of porn. A single siterip can be between 50~300GB.

I'm also trying to horde doujin from nhentai/sad panda. 2k doujins is around 200GB. I need around 150k total to be complete.

Now do you understand how actual people who use their internet can very easily bypass the 1TB threshold? Not everyone is a youtube watching plebster.

>>57523466
Yeah i get that. I also get you have a serious degeneracy problem but now isn't the time to talk about it.
Seem like the only way to reach your cap is to be involved in illegal activities.

>>57523489
Kek, the "innocent" have talked.

>>57523466
Anon, I think you have a problem.

>>57523489
>muh illegal activities
not where I live, stay "free"

>>57522960
This
Imagine a family of 4-5 watching different stuff on netflix in 1080p.
I can burn through 80GB in a week and I'm just streaming in 720p.

>>57523511
Everyone has problems.
It's just my hobby.

>>57521224
Jews

>>57523552
No way that hobby can be good for you.

>>57523562
And wasting time posting on 4chan is any better?

It's actually productive for me, because I can make tools/software/scripts to better manage/collect the things I want. Doesn't require any money on my part either.

>>57521452
>37 straight days
>as in, 24/7
>888 hours of Netflix a month

that's 222 hours of Netflix for the average 4 person family, and usually they have lives to attend to so its not like they all binge Netflix until their eyes disintegrate every day

>>57522992
>I'm happy that it's an actual terabyte and not a storage meme terabyte.
is this how shitty /g/ has gotten

>>57523592
To draw a comparison posting on 4chan the way you hoard would be waking up and immediately going on 4chan, not eating until you're too starved to concentrate then making something unhealthy and fast (instant noodles or rice), and browsing 4chan while you do it. This goes on until you're so exhausted and your eyes are so strained you eventually crash with your face on the keyboard.

Then you start again.

>Doesn't require any money on my part either.

Where are you storing the junk?

>>57523615
>To draw a comparison posting on 4chan the way you hoard would be waking up and immediately going on 4chan, not eating until you're too starved to concentrate then making something unhealthy and fast (instant noodles or rice), and browsing 4chan while you do it. This goes on until you're so exhausted and your eyes are so strained you eventually crash with your face on the keyboard.
uh.....

isn't that basically what we do?

>>57523466
>Now do you understand how actual people who use their internet can very easily bypass the 1TB threshold? Not everyone is a youtube watching plebster.
Ironically, watching twitch and youtube is one of the things that will suck up your bandwidth like crazy

We use about 3 TB per month just from videos and streams

>>57523615
>waking up and immediately going on 4chan
Like we are?

>>57523592
Yeah, because there's socialization and can share your point of view, i didn't thought about management and tool building before you talked about that for example.

>>57523615
>comparison posting on 4chan the way you hoard
It takes minimum 3 hours a day to setup the downloads. Do you think I just watch download progress bars or something? Not sure why such a normie as yourself is on 4chan. A bit weird.

>Where are you storing the junk?
HDD's are cheap and can last ages. I haven't bought any in 5 years. Yes, HDD's obviously requires money but in comparison to other hobbies it's practically nothing.

Like saying "well youre paying for all that electricity your computer is using!"

>>57523466
>I also collect a ton of porn

I think we've identified the problem

>>57523618
>>57523626
nah, 90% of /g/ is normies now. They will never understand

>>57521224

what kind of shitty third world country sets datacaps on broadband internet?

We have datacaps on cell phone carriers here in Sweden but never have i heard of broadband ISP datacaps

what the fuck

>>57523642
>3 hours to set up the downloads

Yeah, you've got a problem.

>Not sure why such a normie as yourself is on 4chan.
>A bit weird.

"Normie" doesn't mean "does not suffer from a mental illness."

>>57523707
>"Normie" doesn't mean "does not suffer from a mental illness."
wat

>>57523724
Hoarding is literally a mental disorder. Especially if it interferes with your daily life (spending 3 hours setting up downloads just for the sake of it)

>>57523707
>"Normie" doesn't mean "does not suffer from a mental illness."
Depends on whether or not you consider stupidity a mental illness

If ISPs want me to pay for extra data above my cap why don't I get any money off my bill when I use less? Usage based pricing works both ways. Also someone who downloads 20 gigs overnight is not the same as someone downloading 20 gigs during peak hours, which is in turn not the same as 20 people each downloading one gig each. Everyone trots out the tired old network management excuse but data caps are essentially useless at reducing congestion.

>>57523707
>Yeah, you've got a problem.
People play video games longer than 3 hours.
People browse on 4chan/tumblr/social media much longer than 3 hours.
It's my hobby, so obviously I'm going to invest time in it.

>"Normie" doesn't mean "does not suffer from a mental illness."
You still haven't pointed out wat this vague 'mental illness' is. Can't take you seriously when you can't even be specific.

>>57521239
/thread

>>57523614
Explicar, por favor.

>>57523742
lrn2english

>>57523756
fuck off newfag

>>57523528
There are also people who listen to music for multiple hours a day on YouTube.

They don't even watch the video, just have the tab open in the background for the music for 10+ hours a day.

>What's your hobby?
>Mine's playing video games!
>Mine's talking to people online!
>Mine's downloading things!
>...To watch? To read?
>No, I just download them! It's perfectly healthy.

>>57523772
>not even the usual lurk moar response
Oh, you're shitposting.

>>57523790
Holy shit, listening to youtube quality music.
It's fucking cringy that people like that exist.

>>57523800
They are called normies.

>>57523795
Yes, obviously so where you asking stupid questions like that.

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>>57521224
For the same reason that most ISPs make you pay more for upload speeds than download speeds.

>>57523792
>No, I just download them!
Don't know who you're quoting. I definitely never said I collect things without any purpose.

>>57523756
what you are referring to as “storage meme” is simply using SI prefixes, which is not only more correct (tera is an SI prefix) and more reasonable (last time I checked, I write numbers in base 10), but it's also by far the dominant majority.

*All* networking has always been using base-10 prefixes. Go look at how many bits per second your “Gigabit” ethernet transmits. I'll give you a hint: It's not 931 Mbps. “1 TB of traffic” means 1000 GB of traffic. Ask any manufacturer of networking hard- and software, any hosting provider, any ISP, etc.

So suddenly using base-2 where base-10 is the dominant norm makes no fucking sense. They were probably just trying to cover their legal ass from retards like you going “HURRRR” and trying to sue them over doing the right thing.

>>57523742
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/12/29/why-we-collect-stuff/when-collecting-becomes-hoarding

>A passion for collecting is a healthy outlet and an activity that keeps people connected to the world around them

Hydrus Network to manage my image/video collection.
Happy Panda to manage my doujin collection.
It's all very well organized,tagged, and can easily be re-uploaded in the event the original hosting sites purge the content.

>>57523828
You did exactly that.

You DOWNLOAD 2-3 seasons of content; you don't watch it.

You COLLECT games; you don't play them.

You COLLECT porn; you don't even fap to it.

You HOARD doujin; you don't read them (or fap to them).

If you did use these for the intended purpose the downloading would be implicit in the watching/playing/fapping/reading of the media. Instead you just acquire it, because you're a collector.

>>57521245
They injected 'pls dont pirate(!!!!)' warnings into my webpages when my mother downloaded mr robot.
Thank god for blocking software.

>>57523857
There exists many actual organisations that carry out archiving duties. You could merely become a part of them.

Also, you didn't even finish the line you posted:
>But it can become a deadly enterprise when it crosses the line into hoarding.

>>57523838
I mean, I wouldn't really care if they used 1000 instead of 1024, my expectations of storage have been formed by hard drive manufacturers anyway. I never saw the warning come up for me, so I assumed it was 1000 anyway. It's just nice to know I get an extra 24 gigs to play around with. Not that I'll use it or anything.

There is absolutely 0 justification for data caps on Internet

>>57523883
So people who collect stamps as a fun pastime have mental illnesses?

>>57521224
HOLY SHIT. Am I looking at a banner injected into a non-HTTPS stream or is this a 'support' application or something? The moment any ISP would get that cocky on me I'd leave them to rot.

>>57523902
fucking retards

>>57523883
>you don't watch it.
I watch it when I'm bored or there's a rainy day.

>you don't play them.
I played 1 maybe once a month.

>you don't even fap to it.
Yes, yes I do. Every day.

>you don't read them
This I admit I'm guilty of. However I like knowing I can search any doujin I want offline and there's a 95% chance I'll have it. No need to ever use some shitty site.

>intended purpose the downloading would be implicit
There's something called moderation. Just because I download them doesn't mean I have to immediately consume them. Sometimes I feel like treating myself. Sometimes I don't.

>Instead you just acquire it
So that they can be given back to the community incase Sad panda or Gelbooru decides to wipe their site.

>>57523909
Yes.

But an excuse can always be that other ill people will pay a large amount for them.

>>57521405
>>57521435
Here's your (You)
http://archive.is/Ld9uf
“An X-ray averages around 200 megabytes, then you have PET scans and mammograms—3D mammograms are 10 gig files, so they’re enormous,” Busch said. “We go through terabytes a year in storage. We’ve calculated out that we save about 7 seconds an exam, which might seem like, ‘Who cares,’ but when you read 20,000 or 30,000 exams every year, it turns out to be something like 10 days of productivity you’re saving just from a bandwidth upgrade.”

>>57521775
> overcome
You're great at euphemisms; you should charge them for your marketing efforts.

As someone who isn't a data hoarder why it it wrong to be one?

>>57521224
Because the United States of America is a third world country.

>>57523945
It isn't, they're just jealous that other people can afford hard drives

>>57521405
Data caps shouldn't exist in the first place for this to be an argument

>>57521494
Ask about what the point for a network is when the most allowed traffic is at the beginning of the month, and then gets less until the end of it.
If anything, prices should drop against the end of the month, because less capacity is needed anyway. But it doesn't. Monthly caps have zero to do with technical limitations.
Bandwidth caps (per second) however have, but bandwidth isn't sold capped by the provider because high numbers sell better.
What you actually pay for as a private household is a marketing trick, you pay for the infrastructure for all those that want to watch an episode on netflix the second it comes online - at once. Not for what stress you put on the network yourself.

>>57523945
Because you spend far too much of your limited supply of 'fucks' on things that deserve very little of them.

>>57523918
Its injected into their webpage, in the browser. Its not a support program or something.

>>57523940
>x-ray scans
>daily usage

>>57521239

/Thread
Data caps are just to shekel some more dollars.

>>57521224
Why wouldn't they be a thing? ISP have to pay for the internet service they provide by the gigabyte. Why do people expect them to offer unlimited data?

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>>57523989
Why do you care what other people's fucks are spent on?

>>57521405
Or you watch youtube videos

>>57521405
>majority of traffic on the internet is netflix
>a few % is torrents
>m-must be pirates, right!

>>57524008
>pay for "per second"
>sell "per month" by advertising "per second"
get the problem there?

>>57524041
no, i have no idea what you're talking about. What has that got to do with data caps?

>>57524008
No they don't do you have any source on this? They could provide with thousands of terabytes a month and still remain profitable I will not be limited

>>57524070
No, I read it years ago. Pretty sure I read it a few times. Seems like the only thing that would make sense economically.

>They could provide with thousands of terabytes a month and still remain profitable I will not be limited
Source?

>>57524082
Thee is no "bandwidth/data generation" it costs nothing to create therefore it is not limited in supply so the service to it should be by law unlimited

>>57524097
>it costs nothing to create
You think all the fiber optic internet backbones and switches don't cost anything to create and maintain? Not to mention the last mile technologies that the ISPs themselves have to build and maintain.

>>57524058
see
>>57523984

>>57524119
They are built for bandwidth, not for data. They don't wear significantly more from a gigabyte transferred by them, so maintenance is mainly for uptime needed to provide a certain bandwidth 24/7.
They offer everyone the full bandwidth for the same price (I assume at a discount) , and make technically nonsense cap on the data for profit, because the number of people to contest it legally or change the provider because of it are low.

>>57524199
>They don't wear significantly more from a gigabyte transferred by them
It's not about "wear". It's about the fact that they cost billions of dollars to build and maintain, and have an expected lifespan of usefulness before they need to be upgraded. So a billion dollar fiber optic and switch system might have a lifespan of 5 years a have a terrabit/s of bandwidth. To be profitable they need to charge people who want to use it enough to cover the cost of it being built with those 5 years, before they predict it will be replaced with a new system that is much faster for example.

If monthly data caps had any justification whatsoever, then the internet would always explode on the 1st of every month.

When's the last time you noticed your internet slowing to a standstill on the 1st? Oh right, never. Ergo, monthly data caps have no technological basis

>>57524253
>then the internet would always explode on the 1st of every month.
That would only be true if everyone who used the internet was a nigger with no ability to plan ahead. The vast majority of people do not use up all their monthly data on the first day of the month, because they would prefer it to last all month.

It's like saying if people if you paid people their wages at the end of the month, everyone would spend them all in one day. In reality no one does this because they don't want to starve all month, except for niggers.

>>57521224
>americucks have data caps
lmaoing @ ur life

>>57524247
> To be profitable they need to charge people who want to use it enough to cover the cost of it being built with those 5 years
And that is exactly the problem. You build it for peak performance. That is everyone. Everyone is the peak. You sell this peak performance low to attract a lot of people and charge arbitrary people for profitability with a legislation that has nothing to do with the actual performance. You'd have no problem charging everyone by making it 5 bucks more expensive per month to be profitable even including building and maintenance - but you will have problems if you're the only one to do so and people change to the cheaper basic one.
That's also why data caps should be illegal for everyone. So that companies that charge those that create the actual demand are not worse off than those that don't.

>>57521897
Traffic and througput are different things. You can exchaust traffic without exhausting throughput and you can exhaust throughput without exhausting traffic.

Example 1
>data cap of 300GB a month
>10 people living in the same apartment block all come home from work roughly at the same time
>all of them start watching netflix
>assume netflix needs 12mbit/s
>old building only has a 100mbit WAN connection
>all residents demand 120mbit/s in total
>stream quality has to be reduced for some residents
>residents go to sleep
>nobody uses internet at all

The cap didn't reduce congestion.

Example 2
>still the same building
>1 resident out of those 10 residents starts torrenting 24/7 at 50mbit/s
>not all residents come home at the same time from work
>at most four residents use netflix at the same time
>the torrenting resident can download terabytes without disturbing the other residents

The blame lies on the ISP for having a shitty last mile connection. They oversubscribe because not everyone is going to max out the connection at the same time. When somebody actually maxes the connection out then the ISP still won't upgrade to save money.

>>57524119
Yes but the bills everyone already pays more than covers that and it doesn't even come close to justifying monthly data caps and if the infrastructure is so great why am I paying 60 per month for 15 down an 1 up? What am I supposed to do when the cap runs out sit around with my thumb in my ass?

>>57524277
>That would only be true if everyone who used the internet was a nigger with no ability to plan ahead. The vast majority of people do not use up all their monthly data on the first day of the month, because they would prefer it to last all month.
Yeah but on the first day of the month, every download etc. is at full speed

>>57521253
Because you don't pay for water pressure.

>>57521224
Because they want to be like the cellphone companies and get more money out of us.

>>57521253
Because the extra traffic costs the ISP nothing.

>>57521224
I am okay with paying for data, if and only if, the speed is equal for everybody.

>>57523010
Your'e a fucking lair

>8TB
>trying to look cool on 4chan

hahahaha

>>57521224
jeez again and again im getting convinced that US is just a 3rd world country in disguise

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>>57521224
You can thank the NEETs and Netflix normies.

>>57521405
Fuck off.

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>mfw 500mbit\500mbit connection and no data cap

feels good man

>unlimited internet
>bandwidth is capped
>$20 for 1mbps and a landline phone i rarely use
>can't even opt out

It sucks living in a 3rd world shithole.

What can you do after you hit the cap?
Also who the fuck uses 1TB?
I had to redownload all my data today because PC RIP and I downloaded 200GB.
Do you fuck your PC up four times in a month?

>>57526941
Post the monthly fee also.
Hardmore: Don't lie

>>57521224
You're isp provides their own music streaming service, they fuck your torrents. They provide cable tv or streaming video, they cap you're data.
Rogers in Canada used to tell the CRIAA fuck off when they got requests for info on pirates IPs. When rogers started their own video streaming, they started turning over info.

>>57521294
If your an audiophile as well as a film buff who torrents reams of blu ray quality movies and band discographies it's an issue.

>>57521245

most ISPs do this. you can disable it if you want normally.

it's there specifically to stop you from saying "b-b-but i didn't know about the data cap!!" (which everyone does) even though you sign the contract which states it.

also how the fuck do you use 1TB of data in less than a month? go outside. i stream almost all the time and don't get anywhere close to my 1TB cap.

In my country that's illegal. Thanks god.

>>57524351

most (of the larger) ISPs have direct peering links to Google and Netflix and other large cloud companies to avoid this. Netflix is a major fucking traffic hog.

the ISP i work for has two core routers that have multiple 100gig links directly to Netflix to keep that traffic mostly off the main ring. i can see the throughput on them (i work in their NOC) and can tell you the bandwidth is almost always half utilized which is crazy considering it's fucking Netflix. Netflix doesn't do jack shit to help, either.

>>57521716
>at least i don´t have to deal with niggers who go on open "protests" or steal/kill
refugees are a small problem compared to your situation murrica

>>57523800
>that is cringy
just wait till they download and compress that shit

Literally every other country on earth does not have this problem.

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>>57527559

Google doesn't do this.

>>57527643
>Netflix doesn't do jack shit to help
What can they do? Reduce quality?

You shouldn't care about the data caps you burger when they can inject and MITM'd your connection with a fucking message.

>>57523883
not that anon but similar situation
you imply that there will always be the internet availible to you and that the things you want to watch/play/read/fapto are going to be availible either
this is a faulty assumption
also just cause a backlog is big doesn´t mean it´s not getting worked on

>>57521453
That's how isp make their money though. Anything "business" or "corporate" you know you're going to get raped in costs.

Because internet is not free you jew commie. There are variable costs associated with more bandwidth.

>>57524008
>ISP have to pay for the internet service they provide by the gigabyte
no they don´t that´s not how that shit works
they pay for maintenence of the hardware the building of the infrastructure and paying pajeet to do his job

>>57521405
>Normies on /g/

Fuck off

>>57521512
Why don't you form an alternative, offer better prices with no caps and reap the benefits then?

>>57523283
That's fucking retarded.

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>>57521224
Because you live in a poor nigger brown people country. In the nordic countries (and most of Europe as far as I know) there are no data caps and the service is generally very affordable. Get fucking cucked

>>57527517

85 USD a month

Poor man's QoS

>>57528279
Because my town won't allow it, even if I can afford the exorbitant costs of laying down and maintaining the infrastructure.

>>57521224
>be estonian
>internet is cheap as fuck
>latency is low
>no data caps
>if I wanted I could order gigabit for my home use.
feels good.

>>57529528
With fixed wireless using modern technology you can get pretty nice connections and no need for caps because of built-in QoS, which is why google fiber stopped it's expansion and bought that point to point wireless ISP.

>>57530081
you forgot average wage $600

>>57521405
I hope you die in a fire. I'm already beyond half the comcast cap. You're likely some dipshit who still has cable and a tube tv.

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>>57521260
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly
did you mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly ?

>>57521224
You call that a cap? My whole monthly data limit is lower than your 10% reminder.
As for why, because they can get away with it. If every company at the market jacks up prices artificially, you need to pay up or be without the service. It can easily happen when you got a small market.
Also unlike food and other physical goods you can't just go to stock up on "the internet connection" over the border where prices are considerably lower.

t. Europoor

Because you're a fucking retard. Kill your parents for not having you aborted and then kill yourself for being a fucking loser.

>>57521251
holy fuck, that's quite unbelievable. Pretty sure something like this is not allowed here in europe.

>>57527559
>i stream

lol

>>57530195
But then you have to deal with FCC and their draconian frequency shenanigans.

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>>57521224
>pay for faster speed so you can hit your data cap quicker

nice ass backwards marketing strategy you got there comshit

>>57528613 (you)
> poor nigger brown people country
Niggers maybe but the US is still the wealthiest country in the world.

>>57531558
its a monopoly if it directly affects you and your geographic region

>>57533090

Backward? It makes perfect sense.

Higher speed, lower cap, massive overage fees.

Profit factory.

>>57521405

kys you normie cuck

>>57533145
>people aren't ever allowed to move ever no, not ever

To everyone saying that 1 TB is more than enough:
Imagine a scenario where a family of 4 is streaming 4k video for 1 hour each, daily. 4k video uses about 7 GB of data an hour. 28 GB a day * 31 days = 868 GB, or about 85 percent of the cap.

This will be a common scenario just a few years from now, and the cable companies know it. While it may seem like a generous data cap for now, it won't get you as far in a few years.

>>57521462

Things are getting slightly better. 10 years ago we had 2GB data caps. Now iinet offers limitless at $69 a month.

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>>57521224
>tfw using a regional ISP with no datacap
>tfw seeing cucks being worried about their national level isp data limits
:^)

>>57525918
No mate,not even the the whole population of a 3rd world country needs more than 100 GB per month.

>>57521442
This.

>>57521640

Depends on the infrastructure in question. The first ISP to offer unlimited data in Australia would bog down come 6PM.

>>57521224
must be an american thing. also, do they inject these warnings into sites you visit? topkek

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>tfw in africa with basically uncapped 100mb internet for 100 dollars a month
>tfw we actually over taking americucks
>tfw ISPs don't give a shit about copyright, they delete them

Feelsgoodman

>>57522941
By this analogy, why did we build cars since it's more expensive when we could stick with horses.

>>57521224

>tfw internet included in rent
>no cap 100 mbit/s

Move to a not pleb country. Even my phone has unlimited data.

>>57537137

That price though. In finland the same is like 1/3 of the price

>tfw living in Brussels with shit Internet speed for no reason but incompetent techs and datacap in a shared house with normies that stream their movies.
>tfw coming from frogland where I had 500/200 fiber for less money
I hate my life. Those cucks aren't even deploying fiber and stick to dsl and they brag about bringing 5G here. What's the point of having such a high speed with such a ridiculous datacap, it makes no sense.

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>>57527559
MOST ISPS.

Hello mister burger.

This is mister wine. We dine fine in Europe. With 1 Gbits speeds for 40$ and unlimited no fair usage bullshit plan.

Yours XX.

>>57537193
This is still on the shittest fibre provider in the country. The lowest is about 60 dollars for 100Mb. My provider will be moving to 400Mb and 1Gb soon at the same prices.

>>57527559
Injecting shit into your webpage is a security concern

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>Rual Texas

>>57521506
>tfw you remember free + comfy NetZero dialup

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I've always had data caps here in Australia. Up until 2012 i had 25GB a month. Currently on 1TB a month and I rarely pass 500GB. Keep in mind that I share my internet with multiple other people.

I have no idea how you people use 1TB so quickly.

>>57534347
Moving is expensive and usually requires you to lose your job in the process. Grow up.

>>57538491
>WISP
>$63
"up to 6/1mbps"
>average of <1mbps day
>ugly tripod antenna on rooftop
>dead of night avg of 2.5mbps
>shit CS
>can't play online
At least no caps.

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>>57521224
>artificial scarcity
what you gonna do, cuck? live without internet?

>>57521224
how the fuck are you using a fucking terabyte of data a month? I have a 175 gb cap and I never get near that amount.

>>57538953
t. trained neumale

>>57537268
it is, i bet every http request has a header identifying customers too

>>57521224
kek

though, 1TB should be plenty enough even if you torrent, download 150gb games on steam, backup to Crashplan, use VNC/RDP all day long.

how do you even burn up 1TB?

(I have no cap, but even with a 100mbps internet I can't burn that much. Only if I go on a porn spree and end up downloading a TB of porn. Which I delete in days. So by doing totally useless shit.)

>>57534390
That sounds like a rich family.
A rich family can afford more than one internet connection. Fuck, they could buy just 4 subscriptions if they can stream 4K on their devices.

>>57532407
>FCC and their draconian frequency shenanigans
You still need to deal with the FCC if you're running copper networks. It's called leakage.

>>57539326
>4k
>rich

Not the case anymore. Shart mart has 4k smart tvs for >$300

>>57521589
You're wrong, faggot.
Anon was right, as there was nothing left to say.
/thread

>>57539386
So.
> 4x300$
> a house big enough for 4x4K TV comfortably placed - that is quite the house
> internet speed 4x25mbps at least required, so basically 110mbps just to be safe - that's like 0.1% of the US population unless you have several subscriptions in one house
> Netflix 4K sub

So in the end:
> The family is living in a very good area, or paying a fortune for a very fast connection.
> The family has a McFuckHuge house that can hold 4x4K TVs for each family member.
> The family is also capable of paying the monthly Netflix fee.

But they can't afford a second internet subscription...
Well, gee.

I mean, the very first point of "fast internet connection" - you can't even do that in most US houses.
And if you have a second connection, then you already have twice the cap.
I still fail to see the problem.

Yeah yeah, caps are bad, but only unreasonable ones.
Such as - 100-200-500gb in 2016.

>>57521508
Shut up

>>57521462
No they arnt your just a retard I get unlimited for $60 a month on the gokd coast

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>>57539415
>> 4x300$

>>57539483
> 4 shart mart, 4K capable TV
> 300$ each

Well, not that I am surprised that a k-pop shitposter is dumb as a fucking rock.

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You capitalists fags have gotten what you deserve for this

>pay 60 EUR
>get 200/20Mbs
>no caps
>ratio always 4
>no dmca or anything really

country is pic related

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>>57539499
so in your scenario does sharing a tv violates the laws of physics, or...?

>>57521224
Because internet is like Oreos
You have to pay extra for double-stuffed

>>57521435
How is using data on your broadband ruining it for anyone? Barring high bandwidth usage in DOCSIS and mobile networks, literally nobody is affected whether you use it at all or download a terabyte each month. And if momentary heavy network use is a problem, throttle the speed instead of imposing a total monthly quota.

>>57527706
umh, lol no, in big cities its a fucking real problem
maybe even more problematic than gypsies

>>57530330
how much to pay for an HappyMeal there? or for a McCrispy Menu?

>>57521239
Fpbp
Most countries dont have them, enjoy your capitalism

>>57521224
>>57521245
How can anyone at the ISP think is is even remotely a good idea holy shit and how can the people even accept this

>>57523897

they're literally cucking your browser

>>57539771
Because we are regressing. In the early days people thought that AOLs shitty software suite WAS the Internet.

Now we've moved so far forward people are doing the same thing again. To them their YouTube, Twitter, and Netflix apps ARE the internet. They probably don't even understand the concept of a data cap.

>>57521224
>why do i have to pay for things

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>>57521224
Daily reminder that normies ruined the internet.

>>57539552
Nigga, it wasn't me who brought up the fucking 4TVs you inbred piece of fucking autistic piece of shit.
Why the fuck do you even browse 4chan if you cannot understand how posting works?

>>57537209
>Tophat
>12th century

wat