Goodbye, AM3+

>>57496771
You're finally getting filtered for this shitty thread.

>>57496816
Thanks.

Feedback welcome.

It needed to happen 6 months ago honestly.

Buying such an outdated platform in 2016 is just not a good idea, the chipset is just so old and the features offered by the motherboards pale in comparison to decent intel offerings.

I hope Zen can help AMD out, but we have to wait a few more months before we see that.

>>57497410
>I hope Zen can help AMD out
So do I, but it is November and we do not have a release date yet.

>>57496771
>I3

>>57497473
We were told 3-6 months ago it wasn't happening for the desktop space until Q1 2017 anyway, so its not a surprise at all. It hasn't been slated for Q4 2016 for almost a year.

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>>57496771
another autistic tripfag

>>57497512
DUMB FROGPOSTER

>>57497512
?? How long have you been here?

>>57497493
We are a month away from Q1 2017. Realistically speaking, AMD might not launch in Q1.

>>57497528
Sure from the start of Q1, Q1 doesn't end until March 31st however. They have time.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10802/desktop-kaby-lakes-lineup-base-frequencies-chipset-names

You should replace the outdated Skylake with Kaby Lake launching in January

>>57496816
Triggered are we, MADcuck?

>>57497546
In January when they release, he will.

No point putting it up now since you can't buy it.

As is always the case with computers, there is always something new on the horizon. Wait if you don't need to upgrade now, but if you do need to upgrade. Just get whatever is best at the time. Which right this second is the 6600k and 6700k.

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I want to use your website but your javascript is nonfree. Can you please open-source it? Good documentation is on the libre-JS page @ GNU.org

I think your site looks very interesting for building a freedom-respecting PC.

>>57497569
>your javascript is nonfree
What can I say? I am a filthy capitalist at heart. Sorry rms, but pizza needs to be ordered.

>>57497701
All it takes is a file edit
C'mon man just put it under MIT or something please.

I just call the pizza place, i swear.

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>>57496771
>moving to dual core
the most disappointing thread of this month

>>57497727
He's saying fuck you he wants to sell it.

>>57497771
Better single-threaded performance though!

>>57497863
How can I sell javascript code?

>>57496771
>>57497865
What do you think about upcoming kaby lake hyperthreaded pentiums and unlocked i3? 7th Gen iGPU HD 620 also doesn't look shabby for entry level

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>>57496771
>>57497923
Also pic related

>>57497880
I think they're implying that you want to sell Logical Increments, and releasing the JS as FOSS would complicate that.

>>57497923
From what I read, the performance difference will be negligible. Not that Intel needs it, being so far ahead.

>>57497880
I was talking about the site in general, not the code specifically.

>Even less AMD CPUs in there
Fucking shill.

Just kidding of course, fucking AMD step up your game please. This is just embarrassing.

>>57497951
>>57497964
I would not want to sell the site. It is my baby.

>>57497940
Interesting. A proper K i3? Price is very high though, close to low-end i5.

>>57497995
>Price is very high though
It's only $50 more than the lowest locked i3, that's not that bad if it can hit 4.6Ghz+

>>57497940
>From what I read, the performance difference will be negligible.
Kaby Lake Pentiums should perform very similar to Skylake i3s no? Hyperthreaded and same clocks

>>57497995
They might be good machines used for single thread apps

>>57496771
where is this chart from?

>>57498087
It's linked in the /g/ sticky
Logical increments.

>>57496771
What took you so fucking long to take it off?

>>57498119
reverse searched it but no results came up. thank you anon.

Wasn't this Falcon tripfaggot caught shilling specific brands for his Falcon guide?

Or are most of you guys too new to know that? Do your own research.

>>57497517
GO BACK TO /A/ FROGS ARE WELCOME HERE YOU KEK.

>>57498213
>Do your own research
>Wasn't this Falcon tripfaggot ... ?

>>57498140
Cheap, decent quality 1151 boards took some time to be available in a large enough selection.

>>57498317
Fair enough.

>>57498213
I cannot deny that I only put AMD and Intel CPUs in there. Also, only DDR3 and DDR4 RAM, nothing else.

>>57498352
I bet you only put AMD and Nvidia GPUs

fucking industry shill

>>57498372
Holy wow, how did you find out? I tried so hard to keep that a secret!

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>>57496771
>replacing an 8320 with an i3
>quality list

>>57499107
For any games that rely on less than 4 threads the i3 preforms better.

Also much newer platform that can be upgraded to an i5 or i7 later if needed.

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>>57499255rbt
>For any games that rely on less than 4 threads

>buying new hardware for old software
>games
>buying new cpu, later on, for deprecated platform

>mfw

why dont you kids go back to >>>/v/ ?

>>57499407
>>buying new cpu, later on, for deprecated platform
>>mfw
Yet you're advocating for buying an already outdated platform with no upgrade potential and several years old peripheral I/O. With single core performance essentially half of what you'd get with a current year intel.

Wew lad

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>>57499590
>buying a cheaper, older platform, that provides better performance on newer applications, is wrong because when you update you have to update all of it
>just like the newer, costlier, alternative from the other camp
muh single core games
>Wew lad

>>57498352
Justice for VIA

>>57499697
It's not about games when talking about single core. MOST applications are built for 1-2 cores, some 4 cores. Professional applications can scale well beyond 4 but the VAST majority of programs the average person will be running use less than 4 threads.

Hell gaming is one of the few areas having more than 4 cores actually becomes noticeable because at least most AAA games from the past few years are threaded for up to 8 cores at least.

>>57496771
Keep shilling your shitty site. Be grateful you can leach from this board and other places to have some exposure. I was a little neutral with you several years ago, but seeing your trip in unrelated discussion made me hate you.

>>57499697
>games
Found the manchild.

>>57496771
>>57497569
Seconding this.

>>57496771
Good job, I'll delete the "outdated" remarks in the PCBG thread opener

>>57496771
Give me a game and I'll donate.

this was a long time coming. vishera was garbage unless you invested money into a good motherboard (that can deliver >1.4v without throttling) and cooling, and even once at 5ghz you only got the single thread perf equivalent to a nehalem chip.

>>>/v/
seriously though who else is /pumped for zen/

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>>57496771

Goodbye and good riddance!

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>>57499697
>MOST applications are built for 1-2 cores
[citation needed]
>you won't because you have 0 (zero) programming experience
>inb4 some lame quote from a normie website to back up claims

And >>57500738 can't even read properly, but, somehow, still thinks his """""opinion""""" matters

>mfw normies and /v/children might believe the info on that MS Word table is of value

Thank God I'm upgrading to an i7 6700o
K on Friday now falcon would I be well serviced sticking with my 780 or should I start making the leap to 1080?

>>57498372
Kek

>>57496771
>i3 6100
>2 cores, 4 threads
>2 cores in 2016
>Thinks that moving to a dual core is a worthy investment
>Not waiting for Zen or buying an i5
Wew lad

>>57504852
>investment

Stop lying to yourself you are not investing when you buy PC parts just calling it buying you pretentious twat

>>57504647
Start moving towards a 1070 instead it's a better deal than the 1080

>>57504879
I already know the 1070 will disappoint me when I get a 4k monitor

>>57496771
Weirdly enough, now is finally the time that the FX cpus are becoming relevant again due to the higher thread count and games moving to become better threaded. I wouldn't recommend a dual core or an FX for gaming unless they want to replace the system relatively soon.

>>57496771

Piece of shit intel shill

>>57504891
So will the 1080. You're kidding yourself if you think the 1080 can manage 4k but the 1070 can't.

>>57496771
i5 4460 on an lga 1150 board is a better valu

>>57505213
I have seen the bench marks the show the 1080 squashing the 1070

I still have a phenom x4

>>57497569
http://nonfree.pizza

>>57505270
and neither will give you great 4k performance, sorry but no single card will

i3's being 150-200 retail is a big nope.

>switch to Canadian currency
>$955 tier
>i3
fuck this country

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>>57505432

>>57505409
/thread
no reason to upgrade, the market is stagnent and AIDs ridden.
hurr durr rebrand, rebrand, rebrand, lets through in a price hike while we're at it, couple more rebrands, and still nothing new or of value is on the market

>you'll never be able to buy a $180 gpu capable of maxing out every game at 1080p ever again.

>>57505900
be grateful your currency is being propped up by the U.S, otherwise it'd be like venezuala.
this is what happens when sack of shit islamic state faggots sell stolen oil for pennies.
idk why nobody has set their oil feilds on fire again, the economic damage is fucking awfull for more than a few countries.

>>57505478
Buying a 1070 over a 1080 is admitting you are a pussy and not suited for anyone who is powerful

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>>57505432
>someone took time the make this

>>57506424
and paid for hosting

>>57506427
>hosting
No, just the name.

>>57504647
>sticking with my 780 or should I start making the leap to 1080?
Depends on what you are playing. If you are mostly doing Dota 2 and WoW, then the 780 is still a great card. If you want to play Witcher 3 on 1440p at near max settings, then an upgrade is in order.

My 560 Ti passed away a couple of months ago, after 5 years of faithful service. I only upgraded after it was gone.

>>57506595
So the answer is yes cause Witcher 3 is a game I would love to max out

>>57506621
well a single GTX 1080 can't touch witcher 3 ultra at 4k without stuttering down to 30fps.

>>57506640
>game released in 2015
>top of the line 1016 card can't max it

Your not even a good shill just get a normal job

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>>57506663
It's a fucking fact you dumb nigger, just look up reviews.

Look at that, with hairworks disabled TWO GTX 1080's barely to keep things above 60fps.

Turn hairworks on and that falls below 60fps.

And look, a single GTX 1080 is sub 50fps.


Stupid prick

>>57506694
And yet a single 1080 still eats the 1070s lunch you are not doing a very good job convincing me to not get the 1080 why is this even a concern of yours

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>>57506704
>yet a single 1080 still eats the 1070s lunch
10fps when both are under 50fps wow, amazing.

And look at 1440p both get 60fps+ on average.

cheapest GTX 1070 is ~$390
cheapest GTX 1080 is ~$590

So a roughly 50% increase in cost, for ~10-20% performance


I mean, it's your money, but the math don't make sense.

>>57506729
And what will I do with the money I "save" buy more delivery food and get fat again? I'd rather be running at 80 on average than 60

>>57506754
My point is turn the settings down so it runs on whatever you have and buy the 1070 because it makes the most economic sense for the performance you will gain.

Set aside the money and buy the GTX 1170 when it comes out if you want.

I just don't see the point in spending $600 on a GPU that is only going to get at BEST a 20% advantage (and generally closer to 10-15%) over the GPU that costs 33% less.


Spend the money on literally anything else, retirement, another monitor, sex toys.

>>57506782
>turn the settings down

No Fuck that I will not be limited I already went 10 rounds with my isps about data caps and got them to not implement them in my area limits and having limits is a bad thing no one ever got anywhere my being limited

>>57506805
you're on a GTX 960 right now, going to either the GTX 1070 or GTX 1080 will feel the same to you because both are going to be massive upgrades, however the difference between the 1070 and 1080 is fairly minimal.

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I will just leave this here...

>>57506812
No I'm on a gtx 780 I only upgrade every other generation or so so spending 600 every 3 or 4 years isn't a big deal to me at all

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>>57496771
>6100
Just buy the fucking 8320 and a 212 and call it a day, clock the fucker to 4.7 and sim sa la bim you're cooking

What I did and I haven't looked back

>>57506825
Should I clock my 8320 up for the last week I have it in use or will it spoil the experience of the 6700k?

>>57506640
>a single GTX 1080 can't touch witcher 3 ultra at 4k without stuttering down to 30fps.
I did say "near max settings". Turn a couple of things down from "Ultra" to "High" and you can get 60FPS on 4K.

>>57506694
>>57506704
>>57506729
It's because of arguments like this I want software that makes a game out of having the user guess how many fps a segment of video is running at. I bet most people can't tell the difference between 50fps and 60fps, if the only difference is the fps (so quality is identical). It'd be even harder to notice the difference between 90 vs 120.

>>57506823
Then you should wait a little longer for 1080 ti.
I honestly doubt you would even notice the difference between 60 frames and 80 frames. I further doubt you would notice the difference between ultra on a modern game and high on a modern game, given what card you're coming from.

But do whatever you want famalam, it is your money as you pointed out.

>>57498064
The pentiums performing similarly clock for clock is an intriguing proposition. If they are close enough, the top end pentium would completely undermine the 7100, though. Wonder if they're going to lock down the cpus even harder, though. If overclocking is possible it presents an extremely tantalizing budget system. At 70$ for the cheapest pentium.

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>tfw still on am3+

do you think zen is gonna be good

>>57507055
Depends on the refresh rate of the screen you're using. If you're not getting the same, better, or half the frames of your refresh rate. You're going to get a distinguishable difference. It's less noticeable in the 80+fps range, yes. But if you're used to seeing something like a solid 120, you're going to notice dips down to 90. It's a question of whether or not it bothers you. But I will agree that a lot of people will be unable to tell the difference at a glance.

>>57496771
Falcon, the FX chips still have the advantage on encoding and shit like that, and do good in dx12/Vulkan. You should at least keep them as an option in the i3 range.

Actually, your rankings on the GPUs are very sloppy and suspect. You really need to clarify between the 8GB and 4GB versions of the RX 480, it makes no damn sense for it to be in a lower tier than the 1060 6GB when it is beating it in so many modern games. As well, the R7 360 is a big downgrade from the RX 460. It just is not worth buying if it's only ten dollars less. There are actually, shockingly, R7 360 models on newegg selling for MORE than RX 460 models, which is ridiculous.

>>57507055
The difference from 60 and 80 is the chance of it dipping far below 60 and causing issues if it dips from 80 it hits 60 if it dips from 60 it hits 40

>>57504852
Unless you're buying an engineering sample whatever you buy immediately depreciates in value the second you take it out of the box.

Fuck zen. Shot should have dropped 6 months ago. I said fuck it and bought an fx 8370...and I'm not going to upgrade to Zen.

So yeah...I'm out. Shit took too long. It's just too late.

>>57497512
>be autistic tripfag
>spam 'recommendation' charts at autists on /g/ who don't know how to computar
>make money on referrals

>>57506754
Buying delivery and getting fat is your choice. Personally, if you're going for 4k performance cards, I'd get the 1070 now, sell it when HBM2 cards come out, and by then 4k monitors will also be cheaper.

>>57508114
Credit where it's due, he gives away a shitload of games.

>>57508114

Fuck up, retard.

It's 10x better to have a guide like that than to have 10,000 threads full of clueless morons asking "WHAT BUY?" followed by clueless autistic arguing over the 'correct' answer.

And unlike most tripfags, Falcon's alright.

>>57497771
It's sad when that dual core can perform as well as or better than the competitions 8 core in most programs.

>>57508292
This.

>/g/ WAT BUY I CAn'T INTO SELF-HELP hDURURURUURPPPPPPPP
threads have pretty much more or less disappeared.

>>57496771
Favorite tripfag.

>tfw still running 1080p where my 980ti is comfy for 144hz

Feels comfy

>>57496771
why would you be using amd in the first place retard

>>57506147
I just brought a 960 for 140€
It can top pretty much every game I own

Im currently on mgs 5

>>57506147
Phenom 8450 here, can confirm.

Still running gta v on ultra with my gtx 780.

>>57507124
I really hope so. It would be very bad for all consumers if Zen turns out to be a dud. Unfortunately, we were all quite hopeful for Bulldozer, but we got burned.

>>57508214
>he gives away a lot of games.
There used to be a lot of very good deals on nice games, and I am happy to give back to the community that helped me so much. Lately, most of the games that go on sale are b-rated stuff, and I cannot afford to buy and give away a lot of games when they are $60.

Sorry /g/.

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>>57496771

>>57508702
It is not so bad for the company as a whole. The new cards are doing well, and are expected to get even better as time goes by and DX12 becomes more common.

But CPU-wise, Zen cannot come fast enough.

>>57508591
Actually... there might be something. Just a little. Wait for the USA to wake up though.

>just bought a xeon 5650 and a 1366 motherboard
what am I doing with my life

>>57510280
If you got them cheap, they are still good. I am on a 2500K.

>>57496771
>update with i3's
>Zen incomming
>update again with Zen

>>57510463
Absolutely! Tech changes, and tech guides change too.

>>57510462
xeon was for 50 and the motherboard was 50 as well
going for a 4.5GHz overclock

>>57510492
That is a great deal. I doubt you can find something that performs better for $100 total.

>>57496771
If AMD screws it up with cheap CPU and expensive mobos again they're doomed.

>>57510510
>I doubt you can find something that performs better for $100 total.
You could easily get a E5-2670 v2 alongside with a motherboard if you were patient enough.

The lack of overclocking is a "eh" but I'm pretty sure it beats the price ratio over a pretty much dead socket.

>>57510485
Sure but i3-6100 is "old" by now and Zen is comming soon, very soon. I know you have problems with manpower and such, but imho your update is kinda pointless right now.

>>57510531
Ah, of course, you are correct. I should have clarified: I doubt you can find something new for $100 total. If comparing used to used, then it depends a bit more on luck, and you may get very lucky.

>>57510536
I update every month, and also when anything new drops.

>>57510571
What's your opinion on dual xeon builds for gayming?

>>57511134
Xeons are meant for workstations, where handling a large number of threads is more important than per-core performance. For gaming, you want the opposite: High single threaded performance.

That said, if you are getting used stuff for cheap, anything goes really.

>>57496771
I really do regret going AMD for my processor. Heavy power consumption, no integrated graphics. I didn't have the foresight that I did back then, which kind of sucks.

Don't get me wrong, the 8350 is still a great processor. It's just not worth the price compared to an intel, especially now.

>>57510280
refund and get a 1151 motherboard and CPU

When did you realise having more than 8GiB of RAM is placebo?

WILL ZEN SAVE US?

>>57511391
Its mandatory if you want to run a full fledged full performing VM imo, but that's arguably a niche category

>VM
>Full fledged

Choose only one.

>>57496771
> Recommending 90$+ dollar motherboards in budget builds with i3-6100 120$ non-overclockable CPU
Logical Excrements

>>57511700
No one forcing you to buy 90$ one, there is a 60$ mb in the list too.

>>57511532
Not just for VMs, I've hit over 8GB doing all sorts of things. Ever tried to splice 10,000 drivers into a single ISO? Took over 40GB RAM and still kept climbing.

>>57513569
>Ever tried to splice 10,000 drivers into a single ISO?
R u retarded?

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

>>57497923

An unlocked only exists because Intel wants to squad Zen before it can gain a market foothold. Intel would rather cannibalise i5 sales than let people buy decently performing (and more importantly, unlocked) 4c zen chips.

>>57498317
What board did you buy? I'm looking to buy one right now.

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Soon™

Sauce: https://hardforum.com/threads/latest-amd-zen-rumors-8-core-for-300-bios-on-chip-etc.1916875/#post-1042642051