what's the fascination with non-fullsize keyboards?

>>57488036
>inb4 go to /mkg/
they're small

>>57488036
They look nice.

>>57488036
/g/ thinks they're cyberpunk hackers who need a portable mechanical keyboard to fit in their bug-out bag.

>>57488036

1) Numpads are generally useless unless you are in finance or accounting.

2) Smaller form factor means mouse is closer to keyboard, so let travel time when going from typing to mousing.

3) More portable, easier to carry around and lighter.

4) Looks nice, sleek, and minimalistic.

Limp wristed cucks
/thread

Not even joking here.

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>>57488036
they are kawaii

>>57488276
>1) Numpads are generally useless unless you are in finance or accounting.
This is true, but when you have to do a lot of math on a computer not having a numpad is probably something that occurs in hell.

87 keys is the lowest I can go.

>>57488276
>1) Numpads are generally useless unless you are in finance or accounting.

Do you seriously enter numbers on the number row above the letters? I haven't used those to enter numbers in like 20 years, I use the numpad exclusively for that.

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>>57488301
>almost all functionalities lost
t r a s h

>>57488301
I am fine with removing the numpad but why get rid of the arrow keys

>>57488036
faggotry.

>>57488276
>>1) Numpads are generally useless unless you are in finance or accounting.

Nonsense... I use it all the time when typing numbers.

>>57488276
>desktop keyboard
>more portable
kek

>>57488322
>>57488349
>there are anons who can't touch type using the number row
Using napkin calculations, moving your hands to the keypad and back takes half a second round trip. Entering a digit using number row takes 0.1 seconds more than using the numpad (very optimistic). Having a numpad makes reaching for the mouse take 0.5 more seconds round trip.

Thus, the benefit of using a numpad is
(average number of digits when typing numbers * 0.1) - ((times using mouse + times entering numbers) * 0.5)

For most people, this is very negative, and that's not counting the cost of lost desk space, portability, etc.

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>>57488248
or, i dont want to fuck up my arms by having a wide ass fucking position due to a useless numpad section i never fucking use and find it more comfortable

>>57488327
>what is a function key
it has exactly as much as a regular keyboard you twat

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>>57488327
>>57488330
those are all right there with function layer mapping. Heck that keyboard has more keys then your average membrane thanks to 3 fully programmable layers.

You can even go smaller if you want

>>57488036
because idiots with little deskspace think small keyboards are a better solution than trackballs

>>57488487
>can't move arms because they will get all bent out of shape and break

400lbs+ confirmed

>>57489050
8 keys is enough for ASCII.
>anon hasn't memorized ASCII binary values

>>57490766
Why not go even smaller. All what you need is a single key with long presses for 1 and a short press for 0

OP I'm actually trying to find a normal size keyboard. All this new ones are shitty and fucking cramped.

>>57490972
then you aren't trying very hard.
If you want mechanical and live in the North America then check out:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/search.php?keyword=&brand=&switch=&size=Full+Size&led=&capmat=&capprint=&model=&availability=in_stock_pre&show_kb=off&show_kb=on&show_acc=off


There are over 160 full size keyboard, you can play with the filters at the top to narrow it down. If you don't live in North America tell me an I'll link you to as close to where you live as I can

>>57490932
I wrote this in Autohotkey a while back.
Fuck, not on the computer it is on.
Oh well.
Not sure why I did it. It fucking sucked.

Thumbscript was more fun to implement.
http://www.thumbscript.com/

>>57488248
But I am a cyberpunk hacker anon. And I'm pretty 31337 too.

>>57488487
>i dont want to fuck up my arms by having a wide ass fucking position due to a useless numpad

What the fuck? I have a full size keyboard and my mousepad next to it and that's still just wide enough to align with my shoulders, which is uncomfortable close.

>>57488428
Nigga you just pulled those numbers right out of your ass, no lube, you prolapsed that shit.

>>57488276
My emails and passwords are dominantly or entirely numbers, I use the numpad a lot for this

i have a tenkeyless keyboard and a 13 button mouse

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why can't more keyboards have this layout. I cant remember the last time I used arrow keys

>>57492886
i use arrow keys all the time

>>57492892
good for you anon

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sup /g/

Now that we are on the subject of keyboards,
Can someone recommend me a keyboard like pic related ?

Pic related is a PS/2 Keyboard circa 2000.
What i like about the keyboard :

>wheel on the left side is for scrolling websites/documents
>arrows are for going back and forth webpages.
>wheel on the bottom is the audio control (up/down). pushing the wheel will mute the audio.
>the space aroudn the bottom wheel is very ergonomic for positioning your hands. typing/gayming
>buttons below the directional arrows are quick access for copy,cut,paste
>buttons near the directional arrows are shortcuts for alt tab & alt F4
>Nice music function buttons on the top right corner.

so /g/ can someone recommend me a mechanical swithc keybaord that i can use to replace the current one ?

thanks in advance.

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>>57492938
maltron!

>>57492886
makes use of the num lock. i would use this reminds me of how it used to be

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>>57492973
>>57492938
kinesis.

I just my numpad for keybindings/macros.

Leet hackers need more programmable keys not less.

Also I use my numpad to enter numbers since it's easier.

I like a 60% more than a full-size

>>57493051
did you get this numpad?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/topre-realforce-numpad-bundle

Because any key not reachable from the home row might as well not exist.

>>57493027
Hey you're that guy from Reddit

>>57493051

Also what is this deskspace meme? Buy a bigger desk.

> Moving hands to use the mouse

Keybindings. Super inefficient to use the mouse to do stuff keybindings could accomplish

>>57493067

No I just bought a normal full sized keyboard like a non autistic person

>>57492973
>>57493027
wtf ? those stupid divided keyboards are horrible to type.

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>>57493078
looks like someone is a poorfag

>>57488036
Mostly just the "I don't use this feature so I must have something that lacks it" meme.

>>57488036
aesthetic and practicality. when you play video games, the distance between wasd and your mouse being smaller feels better than if they were further apart.

>>57492838
You are not as obese as he is

>>57488487
What the fuck are you talking about?

I used to think numpads were useless, but they're actually pretty rad.

>>57493156
>i don't drink coffee but i need to buy a coffee maker for my kitchen

>>57488036
Number pad goes on the left.

>>57494053
I like having my hands directly in front of me as I type, and don't like having my hand half a foot further out than it has to be for typing.

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>>57494248
this

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>>57488301
>>57488276
>No F123... keys
>No function keys (home, print, end etc)
>No Esc key

once you use one you'll find out why. although i'm probs gonna buy a mech board with a compressed numpad/arrow key layout. turns outs i do a lot of number related shit. enough to annoy not having a numpad

>>57494273
how fucking retarded is this?

MOVE THE KEYBOARD OVER SO THAT THE KEYS ARE CENTERED

>>57494273
Is that a jew?
also, why keep the mouse aside the keyboard? you can keep it aside the monitor

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>>57494294
yeah but then another problem arises

>>57494307
No it's hitomi from escaflowne

>>57488036
I love my 60% keyboard because I has severe problems in soreness with my arms. Having the mouse and keyboard much closer together is great.

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>>57494330
you are drawing it wrong

>>57494340
kek

>>57494379
But now it's not centered anymore

60% sugoi desu

>>57488036
because you can have the numpad separately

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>>57490766
If 5 keys is good enough for Engelbart, it's good enough for you.

>>57494756
Good, now let me type capital letters, numbers, punctuation, space, arrows and the modifier keys that programs use as shortcuts and I'll be set. And I don't want to make multiple strokes like I'm using sticky keys, since that's slower than using a normal keyboard.

>>57494398
sounds like you have some form of autism friend.

>>57488276

gtfo my gee hipster trash

>>57494330
Use a swivel chair and have the keyboard angled one way and mousepad angled the other. Then, simply swivel slightly to use the keyboard comfortably with your hands centred. When you need to use the mouse, swivel the other way.

>>57494927
Alternatively, instead of moving your forearm to get the mouse, pivot from the shoulder (this doubles your comfy range of motion about the desk)

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Any Blue-switch keyboards with numpad on the left?

>>57495176
I would love to have something along these lines.

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>>57488301
>>57489050

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What's the weird obsession with inferior typing paraphernalia that forces you to move your hands back and forth to achieve slower wpm and not look like a cool scifi badass?

>>57488036
/g/ and other numales have never had to work with real numbers.
this: >>57488248 , >>57488282

>>57488487
>10 key
>wide ass position
>fucks up arms
manlet detected
anime picture of weird gaint
>anime picture
weeb confirmed
>gaint
>butthurt of "wide position"
>over compensating
manlet confirmed

>>57492886
Thats a sexy keyboard anon, but I need arrow keys and use the 10key all the time, toggling numlock isnt an option.

>>57495934
>Numales
>Not office drones

Pick one. Data entry is the #1 job for numales. Real men use pen and paper because most computers would die within a week in our work environments and only the big shots get durable laptops.

>>57495954
I thought the no1 job for numales was a shitty store clerk position for their entire life, or forever trying to be a writer.

>use pen and paper
Engineering uses computers for everything now from what Im told.
Sure you dont take laptops into the mines, but you cant discredit everyone just because they dont break computers weekly.

The numpad should be on the opposite side of where you have your mouse.

>>57495979
It's data entry and other office work. They call it "comfy" and "white collar" for some reason.

Most people with a mind consider the lowlier cubicle drones sedate blue collar workers, given their low average intelligence, low lifetime achievement, and general shittiness.

>>57491037
South Korea.
Hit me.

>>57488036
better hand - eye coordenation for muh gaymen

sc2 btw

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>>57492886
Where the fuck is the other PgDn?!

>>57493051
This.
I use numpad for loads of things.
Equally capslock+[key]

I pretty num lock+/ to open a UI to enable different layouts, which I can toggle on with scroll lock.
Although I've only got 3 of them.
Rarely use this. I should update it and maybe add the other things to it that I never bothered to.
The whole file is a fucking mess.

>>57494379
>>57494398
... sadly there are loads of retards that are like this.
A person I used to be "friends" with was like this as well. Always fucking complaining about how her arms were sore after playing a game of League.
We even poked fun at her, saying she had assburgers.
But then she went full SJW and told her to fuck off with her retarded arms and autism-lite.

>>57492938
Looks like it needs a cleaning but I love old ass keyboards with dozens of extra buttons n shit. What's the brand name of that one?

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>>57494379
>>57494330
>>57494273

I am not an artist. FYI.

>>57496961
This is one real mofuggin G right here.

A master is out.

>>57492838
narrow shoulders
tenkeyless is super comfy for me, full size keyboard forces me to extend my right arm too much which sucks for extended shitposting sessions
narrow shoulder life

>>57488036
autism

What's the fascination with full size keyboards?

>>57488311
if you need to do math get a calculator

>>57497199
Get out TI shill

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>>57489963
>trackballs
>for games

>>57488276
>1) Numpads are generally useless unless you are in finance or accounting.
Numpads are great any time you have to type more than 2 numbers in a row.

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>>57496961

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>>57497226
I used a trackball on an FPS and had top scores consistently. Get fucked son.
And no, not shitty meme thumb-balls.
I mean actual trackballs.

Pic related. The only good trackball to have ever existed.
All the grip of a mouse, all the speed and precision of a mouse, basically none of the desk space required for it.
Used it for drawing as well.

Over-shoulder trackballs are the only good substitute for a mouse.
Symmetry-balls and thumb-balls can go fuck their own shitty ball holes. Not even a passable tranny.

Shame mines died.

>>57495999
Wat seriously. You have one if the biggest Ducky channels there and you can't find a keyboard

http://www.iomania.co.kr/

>>57495927
this anon is right

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>>57496854
>Where the fuck is the other PgDn?!
the keyboard doesn't come with those keycaps so when you buy an aftermarket set the keys don't perfectly match. Just look at at two arrow keys were the windows keys will go.

>>57497637
That keyboard is just all kinds of fuck.

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>>57494273
>>57494330
>>57494379
I feel bad for you manlets. I'm not that tall either so when I stick my arms perfectly straight I've only got 2 inched away from my full size keyboard and mouse. That is why a layout like this were its still has all the keys of full size, while giving me an extra 3 inches of space is ideal. I know its not right for everyone and that is why I don't mind when short people get TKL keyboards

>>57496878
Compaq CPQ 135 KB

>>57497685
>those arrow keys
Fucking disgusting.

>>57488036

people love paying more for less

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>>57497766
>people love paying more for less
TKL is cheaper then full size
Did you bump your head a lot as a kid?

>>57488330
vim autists

>>57497711
If you don't like arrow keys then why not just get a 60%

>>57488036
I got a 60% so it would fit in my bag

worst tech purchase of my life. non-fullsize keyboards are so useless

>>57488036
/g/ loves paying more for less.

>>57488036
Better ergonomics. Mouse closer to center.
I use the function keys a lot so I only use 75%.

>>57497799
I love arrow keys.
The location is the issue.

That ruined an otherwise nice layout.
I'd rather see vertical arrow keys than that crap off-grid shit.

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>>57497823
Leopold makes layouts like that. Or you can go full autismo and get a Duck Blackbird

>>57497811
?
Just look at any two keyboards and the TKL one is always cheaper.
here is an example:

https://www.amazon.com/TOMOKO-Mechanical-Keyboard-Resistant-Anti-ghosting/dp/B01IHVN4GA/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1479051246&sr=1-2&keywords=tomoko

https://www.amazon.com/TOMOKO-Mechanical-Keyboard-Water-Resistant-Anti-ghosting/dp/B01DBJTZU2

>>57497671
that is what happens when you mix keycap sets

>>57488276
>1) Numpads are generally useless unless you are in finance or accounting.
>what are altcodes and why do they work with numpad only

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Should I get this one? Currently using some noname chink cherry browns but I really miss the numpad.

>>57497340
Nice proof you got there son.

>>57497931
where's the numpad? where did it go? No anon, I think someone is trying to trick you here, they're selling half the product!

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>>57497931
build quality isn't the best and the non standard bottom row will make getting after market keycaps hard.

>>57497954
I feel bad for simple minded people like you. Maybe use that small brain of yours to see.

>>57488311
>>57488322
Any _decent_ touch-typist enters decimal digits via the number row.

>>57497981
wow, are you a misogynist?
Also not sure how I saw wrong there. Still, where's the insertdelhomeendpguppgdn section? this is also a must

>>57497929
I never new that alt codes only work on numpads. I've been using it that way for so long it never crossed my mind. I wonder whÿ that is¿

>>57498004
Incidental numbers, yes. The numpad is unbeatable if you have to enter shitload of numbers.

>>57498008
use that small mindey thing of yours anon. I know you can do it!

>>57498026
no, I know what I said, they need dedicated keys.

>>57497932
Why would I lie about shitty video games?
That trackball was great for games.

I used it all the time in Killing Floor especially. All dem headshots.
I miss Skynet Elite. Only good KF server.
TF2 as well, before Valve ruined it with hats.

But I preferred it much more for doing art, 3D modelling, programming and writing stuff.
The latter 2 only if I was moving stuff around a lot since I changed the 3 extra buttons to contextually aware hotkeys with Autohotkey.
I made the 3 hotkeys send ctrl+ F13/14/15, then used AHKs window detection to change based on what i was doing.
So fucking useful.
Having undo on the trackball when drawing was great.
3D modelling too. (plus sub-divide button and something else I forgot)

I was going to open it up and wire it up to get rid of the shitty need for batteries and receiver.
I fucking hate wireless shit.
That trackball was the most polarising thing I've owned.

>>57498008
>Still, where's the insertdelhomeendpguppgdn section? this is also a must
Looks you don't have quite enough brain power. Maybe stick to your imac.

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>>57498048
Don't be mean to me please please please

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>>57493142

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>>57498044
Do you not know what a num-lock is. We've had that shit for years and yet somehow it has Esc your mind.

>>57498107
do you know what dedicated keys means?

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>>57498094
Some one is mad they can't afford to buy this keyboard

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The real question is why are there not more keyboards with layouts like this? The keypad fully contains all functionality of the navigation keys if you switch numlock off.

Narrower keyboards are more ergonomic with a mouse. Full size are good if the year is 1980 and the mouse or gui hasn't been invented yet.

>>57498129
yes their single purpose is INS, Home, arrow keys etc.

Those numbers don't actually do anything, unless you reprogram them by hitting a macro key like the one in the top left corner

>>57498166
I'm saying I need both the numpad and the ins section to individually exist on the keyboard.
What's more, I need other people to also not support the idea of anything else being acceptable because I am deeply mentally challenged

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>>57498130
From my experience, poor people are typically the ones to waste a huge amount of money on arbitrary shit like clicky keyboards.

>>57498147
That enter key is disgusting.

Although I do like the numpad.

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>>57498199
what ever justifies your financial insecurities

>>57498206
ISO > ANSI

>>57498186
>not just remapping those keys to capslock+[key] so you now have full access to numpad and navigation section at same time.

Step it up, pleeb.
call yourself a /g/eek. More like fa/g/et

>>57498236
I NEED THEM TO BE DEDICATED. IE, I CAN ALWAYS INSTANTLY GO TO THEM WITHOUT ANY COMPROMISES OR SHORT CUTS
reeeeeeee

>>57498218
No, it's exactly the other way around.

>>57498328
[ M E N T A L D I S A B I L I T Y ]

>>57498328
I really don't see the problem with the CM board. You pres Home it takes you to the top, you pres page down it takes down. If you want to use a numpad then press a single button and there you go. Literally less then a second of work to insert a few numbers. Besides how often do you use your numpad?

>Backspace key was just syntactic sugar for ^H
>Tab key was just syntactic sugar for ^I
>Enter key was just syntactic sugar for ^J/^M
>Escape key was just syntactic sugar for ^[
>Delete key was just syntactic sugar for ^?

We might want to get rid of a lot of other keys too.

>>57498019
>The numpad is unbeatable if you have to enter shitload of numbers.
If your daily job is finance or numeric data entry, you probably should be a rare visitor around here in the first place. For programming/scripting, the number row is perfect.

>>57498345
>wanting an enter key that is difficult to hit

>>57497957
>1970s style palettes
>bleak cyan, reds/oranges/yellows, and shitload of literally shit brown

Ugh.

>>57498471
>implying the ANSI enter key is "difficult to hit"

It's not if you're not horrible at typing. Besides, for touch typists the ISO enter key is worse as the pinky has to stretch further to the right to get to it.

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>>57488276
/thread

>>57497199
This.

>>57497931
When numlock is turned on, what happens when you press 2 on the numpad? The color scheme suggests arrow up but intuition suggests 2

>>57498579
Obviously it would be Up.
Why would it be anything else?

The keyboard defines these toggle keys.
Software can interrupt it and change it if it chooses to, but anything that relies on those exact assignments will fuck up. (like say, a program that will move Up when you press 8 regardless of numlock state)
I've not come across any program to do that, though.

>>57498579
dude it works like a regular keyboard. Turn num-lock of on yours and see what it does. This just has the positions of things switched around

>>57494201

>I don't work with a shipping company so why would my car need a tow hitch?

>>57488036
Costs less than full size
They cheap out and then make shit up on the internet why they think its better

>>57499020
How is getting the same thing for a lower price not better?

>>57499048
but you aren't getting the same thing

>>57499020
>Costs less than full size
That isn't even true. Compare prices between 10-keyless vs full-sized. The price will be very close if the other features are similar.

>>57499063
Indeed, I'm getting something better.

>>57499071
I'm surprised tenkeyless doesn't cost more because it's "speshul"

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>>57499073
>not getting the superior choc mini

>>57497199
>if you need to do math get a calculator
it seems that you are not an engineer

>>57495934
>>anime picture
>weeb confirmed
Where do you think you are?

>>57497929
>What is Autohotkey that changes the number row with numpad keys with a toggle?

>>57498019
How does it work? IF you put your hands on number row you already have fingers on every number and only need press the key, if you use numpad, you also have to move fingers before pressing keys. Shouldn't it be slower?

They make me reach further to use my mouse. I wouldn't mind it if they put them on the left hand side, but they never fucking do. So I just get one without a numpad and use a separate one.

Slightly related note: I hate it when laptop manufacturers decide to include full numpads as well. There's no fucking room, and it shifts the rest of the keyboard off center and it can't be adjust.

idk they're not as good as Solus

>>57497931
are there any non-gaymer keyboards with this exact layout?

>>57499559
>8 fingers
>10 keys
???

travel time is shorter for the more compact keypad, and muscle memory is better supported

>>57500033
you're looking at it, quickfire TK is a mechanical keyboard

>>57500048
>>57497931

>that font
>that logo
>those status leds

sorry, that IS gamershit

>>57500067
Cooler Master Pro M

>>57500034
>>8 fingers
>>10 keys
>???
What about thumbs? Even if for some reason you don't want to use thumbs, you would have to move your fingers far less (only two keys not covered by your fingers) and thus type faster.
>travel time is shorter for the more compact keypad
What travel time if you put the fingers directly on the keys?
>and muscle memory is better supported
What makes you claim that?

>>57500100
you have some kind of mutant hands if your thumbs are long enough to reach as far as your other fingers

>>57488036
I was thinking of getting a tenkeyless keyboard because I could place it further to the right without interfering with my mouse. The way I have things set up no I can't have a fully comfortable position both when typing and when using the mouse. I can have my elbow on my chair's arm rest when using the mouse, but if I want to type I need to move my right arm to the left, as such I can't use the armrest in a natural and comfortable position. If I removed the numpad, I could essentially shift the keyboard further to the right without hampering mouse movement space and I would be able to both type and use the mouse while having my elbow on the armrest.

I could then get a separate numpad and place it on the left, I'm sure I could get used to that and since I never use it for extended periods of time (maybe punching in some IP address and that's it) comfort wouldn't matter much. I can't find any decent tenkeyless keyboards where I live though, so I'm still using a full size model.

>>57500172
You just have to position your hand correctly. Though the thumb rest awkwardly and may not be as fast because of that.
What about other points though?

I love the num pad but it's more ergonomic to not have it when using a keyboard and a mouse.

>>57488036
It's just a fad. Mechanical became too vanilla too fast, now the hipsters have moved onto tiny keyboards.

In some cases, smaller keyboards could be more practical, but for most people it's all about having something different.

I suppose that's what happens to tech after it becomes 'functionally perfect' more or less.

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>>57488276
>so let travel time when going from typing to mousing
You don't even need a mouse in a modern desktop environment. What kind of retard would butcher his keyboard under the guise of minimalism, only to bloat everything up with a goddamn mouse?
>mousefags
/mkg/ just gets more and more pathetic.

>>57499954
Fuck off finally, Solus shills. Are you paid by the post, or by the hour? Seriously, what the fuck lately with this relentless shilling.

>>57499954
ikr Solus is the best

My job entails a lot of data entry - particularly huge spreadsheets of numbers and thus a tenkeyless keyboard is a complete waste of space.

My home keyboard (despite being a 1337 gaymur keyboard) is full size because I make use of some of the extra keys (like media keys) it has quite extensively.

>>57488311
If you need a numpad that badly buy a nice separate one and put it on the left side of the keyboard where it belongs.

>>57501478
>numpad on left side

Watch out, we got an edgemaster over here

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>>57497853
>>57497685
>>57497637
>>57499146
>>57497957
I don't know what pisses me off more,
colored key caps or uselessly tiny hipster keyboards.

>>57499477
I thought I was on /diy/ but I forgot I had a /g/ catalog open in the tab to the left and wound up dual browsing /diy/ and /g/.. I was wondering why there were a bunch of faggots on the board today.

>>57501805
It is a weaboo site after all. What the fuck did you expect?

>>57496961
literally me

>>57498216
I'm not against mechanical keyboards but that is the ugliest thing ever. Why even get rid of half of the keys if there is just a bunch of useless plastic around the side taking up that space anyways?

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Got this yesterday

I can work volume sliders

Left click button on Left is so cash

>>57497707
Thanks m8. I'll check ebay

>>57488276
>paying for less features
>saving 0.0001ms per minute
>carrying around your clicky keyboard
>form over function

>>57503145
PAying more for a feature that lets you waste 0.0001ms per minute and nothing more
I shiggy diggy.

I don't know, I like having separate keys for copy, paste, calculator, media and browser control. Never got the fascination of having the bare minimum of keys, the more keys the better functionality wise which saves time.

>>57502374
Lol you don't have a vintage IBM kishsaver banking keyboard. Its okay though I'm sure one of the 30 ever made will pop up on eBay someday. I just hope you've got a grand and a half lying around

>>57488036
they're for people with broad shoulders
broad as in womanly, not the antonym to narrow

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>>57503266
well then I've got the ideal keyboard for you

>>57504677
where is the space bar?? trashed

>>57504734
>broad
its right there in the middle of the bottom row

>>57494785
I'm sure you could just use foot pedals. More computers need foot pedals.

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>>57504814
>More computers need foot pedals.
This is so true

>>57492886
>some autist unplugged his keyboard, took it outside and placed it on the rocks in his garden to take a picture of it

>>57488276
>2) Smaller form factor means mouse is closer to keyboard, so let travel time when going from typing to mousing.
But I'm left handed

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>>57497340
Holy shit this trackball!
Does the wheel have a "middle click button" ?
Is there a non wireless version?

I'm in the market for a trackball that
>have a scrolling wheel and a real middle click button
>does not have the ball on the thumb (I bended my thumb backwards years ago and I have a limited range of movement ever since)
>have a wire (because I see no benefit in having a battery powered input device and my old hardware does not have Bluetooth or what so ever)

it's just a hipster thing. go to /mkg/ and shit them up by posting rubber dome full size models that are more functional than their little slugbug shits.

>>57497199
The only good calculator around is the 50g and it's graphing

>>57504841

>simplified chinese

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>>57492938
im too distracted by the nasty ass shit

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numpads are fucking terrible unless you for some reason still type tons of numbers like some chink accountant.

the numpad is inherently not ergonomic for anyone using their right hand for the mouse. of you center your lettered keys with your screen like you should, you encroach on the space for your mouse and pad, which mean you either have to move them further to the right which fucks with ergonomics even more or just run your mouse into the side of your keyboard all the time.

getting rid of the numpad allows you to have centered lettered keys, while allowing enough space for the mouse or anything else on your right side.

>b-but I have my stuff placed far apart and all over the place on my desk and I do fine!

no. you've been doing it wrong all along and you only shitpost on 4chan so you never noticed.

even tenkeyless isn't enough for me, it still fucks with ergonomics some by having a space on the right side for the page and arrow keys. 75% or less is what you need.

>>57495934
>meme master shows others how superior he is

>>57497685
>t. gorilla

>>57495176
>none actually centered properly
>ideal

>>57495927
this shit is probably great for someone who has carpal tunnel

>>57488036
One days you'll grow out of autism and you'll understand.

Numpads should be on the left.

I am not a bank accountant and I have little use for a numpad. I use a tenkeyless Filco Majestouch 2 btw.

>>57488349
that's cause you're a fucking nerd lmao

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>>57504677
I already have 122 keys, the keyboard in your picture has 125 and I'm not sure what this key is for.

>>57498130
That is a mockery of the model M. You would have to pay me to take that keyboard.

>>57488276
1) MMORPGs
2) Bet that saves you a whole quarter of a second
3) Why would you be carrying your keyboard around?
4) Agreed.

>>57488301
>no esc key
HOW

>>57508801
>being this obsessed over having the letter keys centered with the screen

>>57508842
>being 5'10" is considered a gorilla.
Just how short are you?

>>57510836
There is no Esc anon.

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>>57488036
I might benefit if i'd buy one. My desk is tiny and i hate having to sightly twist my hands to the left to type. If i place the keyboard on the center, my mouse space gets severely reduced.

Maybe i should buy one like in pic related.

>>57510798
Its a real shame you will never be a top IBM engineer, but don't give up hope anon if you shitpost hard enough I'm sure you might make it!

I bought one (still shipping) without numpad. Aside from wanting to try mechanical for the first time, I want a small keyboard I can take with me. Writing on the laptop keyboard bugs me because sometimes it gets warm and my fingers get swollen. It's even worse in the summer.

>>57488036
It is essential for anyone who uses a desktop in their dorm at college.

Most colleges/universities have tiny desks, so if you don't want to put your PC on the floor so it can collect dust, you need all of the desk space you can get.

>>57510825
why would you use the numpad for MMORPGs?

>>57510981
Do people really do that. I've always used the number row in the alphas instead of the numpad, unless there is some MMO that would be better off using the numpad.

>>57510981
>>57511103
Utility keys.

>>57511138
My keyboard already has full macro support so I just use the keys closest to WASD

>>57488036
non-fullsize dicks

>>57511153
Not everyone does though, you see. Therefore, numpad.

>>57494379
>>57494330
>>57494273
We just need a full size keyboard with a trackpoint in the middle of it god dammit

>>57511180
but its free with software, unless its some really old ps/2 keyboard and even then some of those support it.

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>>57488276
>less travel time

Literally end your life.

>>57511191
Unicomp and IBM already have those

I just have a separate number pad.

>>57492938
What are you doing to that poor SSD? Case it boy!

>>57488322
If you're typing in numbers during programming, the number row is closer to the rest of the keys. I never understood the numpad either. I only use it if I'm using a calculator application.

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>>57494273
Exaggerate much?

The left end of my keyboard and my mouse are barely more than shoulder width apart. And I have a full-size keyboard.

>mousepad is slightly under keyboard because of ghetto monitor stand box on the right

>>57488036
I like the small form factor leopolds with arrow keys and the ins, del, etc keys without numpad

>>57494379
Now when using the keyboard the arms look like \ \ again as in >>57494273

>>57496961
Terrible posture spinal deterioration/10

>>57488276
>numpads are generally useless

if you don't know how to type

>>57497853
No 0 on that numpad? Why would you even bother with a numpad then?

>>57511410
Its right there next to .
With mechanical keyboards you can easily swap the keycaps and reprogram them

>>57502400
Reprehensible. Actually using a touch pad on a desktop

>>57488036
Less distance between home row and mouse. This never bothered me until I tore something in my shoulder and then it really made a huge difference.

>>57493027
How fast can you hack a Gibson with this?

>>57495927

Holy shit, want

i never use a numpad

full size keyboards are awkward on my desk, even more awkward when I try to play games, tenkeyless ones don't have this problem

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How about we talk about the obvious issue in this thread

>>57489050
This is retarded and neat at the same time. There is literally no reason to chose this instead of a 10 key less normal sized keyboard except for being a hipster faggot, but on the other hand I find the idea of having all these chars on such a small space kinda neat.

>>57493142
>buying hipster tier trash
Whats the point of this layout again?

>>57511567
there are more characters on layers 2 and 3 such as numbers, functions, and media keys, but it you do nothing but write fan fiction and play casual games then its the perfect keyboard to pair with your imac

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>>57494273

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>>57511580
to have an extra 10 more function keys without going for a huge battleship keyboard. Its a shame there really isn't any normal 87 key mechanical keyboard that has the extra function keys to the side like that. Also if you want you can put the keyboard as one whole unit since its a kit

>>57511627
Yeah, but whats the point of the separation? Also is that a fucking sata cable holding them together?

>>57504642
>Its rare so it must be good
kek, sure.

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>>57511650
>Yeah, but whats the point of the separation?
It's a /fa/ thing.

>>57511660
Into the trash it goes, then.

>>57511659
that some shit logic anon.
Old Iraqi officer pistols are shit, yet people still pay thousands of dollars for them since they are also rare. Not all rare things are good, but here the IBM model M is much better then all the shit cherry keyboards in existence. Looks like you are just sad you couldn't get one.

>>57511703
I meant model F

>>57511627
Why separate the keyboard into 2 pieces when it's not even an ergonomic layout designed specifically for right-hand and left-hand?

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>>57511746
You can have it as one, but if you want to give it a slight tilt its possible

>>57511325
>filthy desk
>disgusting mousemat
>2005 logitech keyboard
>sitting in some dark basement

Get a grip anon ffs

>>57511799
>dusty table
>worthless free social security mousepad
>2009 microsoft keyboard
>sitting in bedroom at 6:34 in the morning

Get a grip anon ffs

>>57488276
>1) Numpads are generally useless unless you are in finance or accounting.
Just because you are retarded doesn't means everyone else is

>2) Smaller form factor means mouse is closer to keyboard, so let travel time when going from typing to mousing.
That's probably the dumbest excuse I've heard

>3) More portable, easier to carry around and lighter.
>caring your pc around

>4) Looks nice, sleek, and minimalistic.
No it doesn't.

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>>57488276
>1) Numpads are generally useless unless you are in finance or accounting.
Or if you have any job that requires basic math skills. And i'm not even talking about engineering, architecture or all STEM related jobs. Even plumbers, electricians, and managers need them

>2) Smaller form factor means mouse is closer to keyboard, so let travel time when going from typing to mousing.
Okay so you are a manlet or have narrow shoulders. I feel sorry for you, but the average person has no problem with this

>3) More portable, easier to carry around and lighter.
No it isn't get a 60% keyboard if you want portability

>4) Looks nice, sleek, and minimalistic.
No if you want sleek and minimalistic look keyboards like the choc mini, tada 68, and most of the Korean custom Duck keyboards


If you want to make arguments for TKL keyboards then say they are cheaper then full sized keyboards so its a good choice for people on a tight budget

>>57504841
>dat fuckhuge enter key to hammer with your fist

I need that. Now.

>>57504841
Is that really a keyboard? It looks like a drum set for computers

>>57497853
lack of F row and 0 on numpad makes this keyboard utterly pointless.
Who in their right mind would get this?

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>>57488036
tiny hands new world order.

>>57514426

The type of person that thinks making life difficult for yourself is a sign of superiority. Basically most of /g/.

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>>57514474
I'm all in for tenkeyless keyboards, but If I'm getting one with a numpad I don't see the point to have a part of the numpad.

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This whole thread needs to fucking chill. I can shut down any argument in this thread right now.

I bought this keyboard over a decade ago at Best Buy and I've used it ever since. Need the 10 keys for math or some shit? Go for it?

Need bank of macro keys on the other side? Got it?

Need more space? Fucking guess what.

>>57514634

What if I don't like the colour red or orange? WHAT THEN HUH!?

>>57511703
>>57504642
see>>57498094

>>57494275
Most have programmable layers

>>57488036
I don't get it. I use numpad every day. How people can live without it is beyond me. It's just so FAST

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I used to configure emulator buttons on the numpad before I got an USB controller. Pic related (in tandem with cursor keys as d-pad) generally worked much better than the retarded default emulator control schemes which all had you control the "d-pad" with your right hand and the "buttons" with the left.

>>57494379
That's even much worse than >>57494330. For a touch typist, the gap between G and H must be aligned with the center of the screen.

>>57511325
>The left end of my keyboard and my mouse are barely more than shoulder width apart

This, I INTENTIONALLY space my shit further apart because I find them to be uncomfortably close.

>>57494273

How tiny are you? With my full size keyboard my shoulders span from the left side of the keyboard over to my mouse pad. My arms sit almost parallel with my shoulders when using the keyboard and mouse..

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Any deals on keyboards for black friday or cyber monday?

A keyboard is a fucking tool. Why would you fuck yourself by getting rid of extra buttons? Are you really this retarded? Jesus fucking christ, if you think losing buttons looks sleek and cool you're a fucktard. Plain and simple.

>but anon I don't use those buttons very often and I need to take my keyboard everywhere I go.

No you don't faggot fucker. Keyboards are literally 15 dollar pieces of input hardware that you can find anywhere you go.

>>57488036
Like everything else, it stems from gaymurs. I don't remember the last time I used anything to the right of the enter key in a game, with the exception of printscreen.

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>>57516641
>Why would you fuck yourself by getting rid of extra buttons?
Because pic related

>>57515379
Buckling springs are one of the most durable switches ever made, even more durable then cherry. Plus you can get them new for like 80 bucks. Are you that much a rubberdome fanboy, or are you just some poor third world-er.?

>>57488301
>2016
>uses word kawaii

kys go back to /a/

>>\57517952
do you know where you are?
Just look at the catalog and you'll see a plethora of anime images. If you hate Japanese culture so much why are you here?

I'm not even going to give you a (You)

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>>57516511
amazon usually puts everything at a $20 discount when it comes to mechanical keyboards. There are some deals right now like the Tomko for 30 bucks.

Last year there was the Rosewill rk900 for 60 bucks, which is what went for.

Overall its not a bad keyboard. The default keycaps are meh and there really isn't much to say for the build quality other then its solid. Some of my older rubberdomes had better construction, but for a $60 cherry mx mechanical keyboard there really isn't all that much for options

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>>57490766
7 bits is enough for ASCII you pathetic newb.

>>57488036
>what's the fascination with non-fullsize keyboards?

Manlets need small things to validate their small size.

>>57498130
You know they just found a whole warehouse of these in Canada don't you?

Like tens of thousands of them. Made for the Canadian armed forces.

Your investment just went down the potty son,

>>57502400
I hope you use it on the couch / bed for maximum comfy

>>57499509
>autohotkey
lmao

>implying /mkg/ isn't fucking retarded
hey
guys
what if

guys qwhat if

you had all the functionality of a laptop keyboard

but on the desktop????

>>57494330
Are you all fucking armlets or something

my keyboard could be twice as long and i'd still be able to type on it and use the mouse

>>57510675
On AS/400, this button is the down arrow. The center one is equivalent to execute / run routine.

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>>57501830
Christ you guys need to stop bullying this guy, just because he's an autist don't make it right!

>>57501805
I know this feel.
/g/ is shit.

>>57488248
Real hackers can fit a 102 key Model M in their backpacks.

>>57488036
qmk firmware and layers

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because it triggers normies