/retro/

>>57487841
Got any pics of them working? The Apple II clones.

>>57487883
can you shitpost on those?
I recently tried good ol Netscape just because
It displayed the site, but I remember I couldn't post

>keep picking up old computer hardware
>no fucking use for it
>don't know anyone that can use it
What the fuck am I going to do with all these floppies

>>57487962
Can't enter captcha, the site was surprisingly well browsable on my Quadra with Netscape.

>>57487997
giv pls

>>57487997
Mail them to me

I've got diskettes from years ago that contain porn so I wanna search for more BBS animu tiddies

>>57487962
netscape doesn't work with the javascript-free captcha and a midsize thread with images will totally max out your memory even if you don't have anything running

but that's with a mostly stock loadout (170 MB hard disk and 20 MB of RAM), with the memory maxed out and OS 8/later Sys 7 allowing for newer browsers you probably could actually, though slowly, they're still remarkably usable systems for their age

t. actual owner of that setup

>>57487997
Play old games in it, from time to time it gives me curiousity see how they ran in original hardware. Most footage is from modern PCs running in steam or dosbox or some shit.

>>57487962
I could post on a Pentium II if using a modern-enough but lightweight browser - still, crunching the captcha Javascript took it a literal minute or so. Older systems are not useful at all to browse today's script-heavy web.

>>57488067
That's why I love lightweight webpages even on modern machines.

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buy this beatiful creature from my friend, IBM intellistation M Pro(only PS inside), at last I have case to build dual 604(tyan tiger 7505) necrostation, it gona be cool.

>>57488085
Kek, I have the same machine under my desk, just laying there.
No use for it tho. I salvaged some parts already.

>>57488032
>170MB disk
>20MB RAM
Those were the days.
I've still got my Centris 610 around here somewhere, 250MB disk and 24MB RAM (cost me a hell of a lot, couple thousand dollars if I recall).

>>57488067
I've used a Pentium I with Windows 2000 on the web before - fun times.
PowerPC G3 / G4 / G5 should be able to browse fine, but lack of interest from anyone, meaning Firefox 3 is the newest you can run, which can't do jack shit. It's just Netscape with a different icon at that point, even Internet Explorer for Mac is better.

>>57488085
I demand more pictures of that kot on the pillow

>>57488118
>PowerPC G3 / G4 / G5 should be able to browse fine, but lack of interest from anyone, meaning Firefox 3 is the newest you can run, which can't do jack shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TenFourFox

>>57488085
The ThinkPad on the bottom, is that an X41 / X60?

Can I get the model number for your battery? Mine's missing it.

>>57488129
For 10.4.11 Tiger?

>>57488135
>For 10.4.11 Tiger?
Yes, we where talking about Firefox, so OS X not Classic?

>>57488118
nice, give it some love some time, a 610 with a real '040 makes a great candidate as an A/UX box too

>PowerPC G3 / G4 / G5 should be able to browse fine, but lack of interest from anyone, meaning Firefox 3 is the newest you can run, which can't do jack shit.
you can actually use classilla with those, TFF like that other anon posted is also an option but ridiculously slow on pre-DDR systems

old FF versions aren't all that bad though, just turn JS off, I regularly shitpost and wiki surf from FF2 just fine personally

>>57488085
The cat in the background seems only mildly amused.

>>57488184
He/she seems out of focus if you ask me

>>57488153
Ah. I'd upgrade to 10.5.8, but I can't find ISOs or discs for a decent price.

>>57488169
FF3 won't open Captcha or in some cases let me click "Post Reply" either.

The 610 works fine last I recall - I had an LCII at one point as well, and a Performa 475, but the 475's hard disk died, then it's video adapter gave up the magic smoke (literally, it smelled like burning plastic before I threw it away. Took power supply, RAM, and diskette drives out first, of course!). The LCII doesn't start up anymore, so I put the hard disk into the Centris 610 as a secondary drive. It's only 80MB, though.

If I can find my ADB mouse some time, I'll use it, there's a bunch of games (and porn) I'd like to get off of there one day, but my old mouse broke and I'm too cheap to buy a new one.

>>57488257
>Ah. I'd upgrade to 10.5.8, but I can't find ISOs or discs for a decent price.
What machine are we talking about? Tiger is perfectly fine (and lot faster) for the older ones.

>The 610 works fine last I recall
Nowadays it's easy and cheap as fuck to upgrade and hack these machines to great heights.

>>57488257
>FF3 won't open Captcha or in some cases let me click "Post Reply" either.
yeah, it doesn't support a lot of 4chan's JS-reliant features, I just turn it off, this site functions pretty well without javascript except you have to manually copy/paste post numbers to quote which really isn't that big a deal, I'm gonna waste a lot more time trying to articulate and propagate my shit opinion anyway

>If I can find my ADB mouse some time, I'll use it, there's a bunch of games (and porn) I'd like to get off of there one day, but my old mouse broke and I'm too cheap to buy a new one.
neato man, I know the feeling all too well, hope you find it

>>57488286
PowerMac G5 with dual 2GHz G5s and 2.5GB RAM, it should all add up now.

The 610 actually is a great machine for that - especially if you have the expansion riser. You can even put a custom ROM in if you want to, since that's in a slot instead of a socket.

I'd put more RAM in, but the 128MB of SIMM72s I've got are currently in an IBM PC340 Pentium I system whose graphics card has seemingly failed, maybe system board even.

It makes no post beeps at all, I'm kinda worried since it was the first Windows computer I ever bought, so it holds a lot of sentimental value to me. It didn't start with 128MB of course, just 16MB, maybe 32MB, I don't remember.

>>57488332
>PowerMac G5 with dual 2GHz G5s and 2.5GB RAM, it should all add up now.
Definitely go for Leopard then, better multi core support also.

>It makes no post beeps at all, I'm kinda worried since it was the first Windows computer I ever bought
That fucking sucks, I guess it's time to take it fully apart and start figuring out what's wrong.
Hope you get it working again one day.

>>57488324
I figured out how to do most of the work with the keyboard, so I can open / close folders, look around, etc., but since it's a Macintosh, it pretty much has to have a mouse to be useful at all.

I found the massive (for the time) collection of ~100MB of GIFs and PNGs from various BBSes over time, but I can't open any of the files since my image viewer has to be opened by itself, then open the file from the file menu. It doesn't use Control+O for open, so I'm not sure whats going on there.

Guess I'll have to look out for a mouse, though.

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>>57488098
it funny, this monster PS and mount holes for cooler plate is something.

>>57488119
here it is.

>>57488135
I have both, but all of them is tablets, who exactly battery code you need?

>>57488377
Awesome cat, the ears looks like plastic that has suffered heat damage though

What's that board? Some Z80 or 8080 clone?

>>57488356
Could you point me in the direction of some good Leopard ISOs? I'd have installed it to start with, but I couldn't find any ISOs at the time.

It's been taken apart multiple times, but I can't find any documentation online and the original manuals and such are probably in my attic being eaten by bugs as we type. It might be the CMOS battery (It was never replaced, that damn CR2032 must have lasted 20 years!), since I know some computers have issues if their batteries die.

>>57488377
X60, since that's what I have. Looking up the phrase "ThinkPad X60 battery" doesn't really yeild any useful results.
Six cell if that's a thing that exists.

>>57488362
>Guess I'll have to look out for a mouse, though.
JewBay would be the best bet right now, they ain't that expensive, 20 bucks usually.
Don't hold out too long though, in a few years I bet they will be even harder to find.

>>57488356
>better multi core support also.
not him but could you elaborate? always shilled for tiger on G5s because of autism, classic mode support and some stuff I've read regarding performance differences between the two

kind of want some excuses to go leopard on my dualcore G5 though

>>57488362
yeah, that's a little weird, don't know if I could offer much advice with keyboard navigating on those things unfortunately, probably one of my biggest pet peeves with that platform

>>57488407
>Could you point me in the direction of some good Leopard ISOs? I'd have installed it to start with, but I couldn't find any ISOs at the time.

http://pastebin.com/m4PkyHSL

>>57488169
>you can actually use classilla with those, TFF like that other anon posted is also an option but ridiculously slow on pre-DDR systems

One of these days I swear I'm going to dig into a modern web engine and try to figure out why the web is absolute shit on hardware that should be able to handle it just fine. Quadras and PowerPC's managed page layout for the entire publishing industry...PostScript + high resolution graphics...but they can't handle a fucking web page???

>inb4 scripts

Yes, 20MB of JavaScript makes modern sites shit even on quad core i7's. But sites without all that shit are still sluggish as fuck on old hardware. It just doesn't make sense.

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>tfw no vector crt
https://youtu.be/aMli33ornEU

>>57488430
>not him but could you elaborate?
The system was more optimized for several cores, Apple also was on Dual Core Intel already at the time.
Newer drivers, etc, squeezing out actually more performance than Tiger on a workload.

>kind of want some excuses to go leopard on my dualcore G5 though
Dualboot

>>57488085

Love that case.

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>>57488458
>but they can't handle a fucking web page???
jewscript

nobody bothers anymore, it's easier to waste resources because modern computers have plenty of it

>>57488465
chill

>>57488458
Don't worry anon, if you make a browser we'll download it.

>>57488451
Thanks! I can use this to upgrade from 10.4.11, instead of just a reinstall, though?

>>57488430
The keyboard is shitty enough, why'd they have to make it so hard to use it? I don't really need Classic Mode since I've got a G4 on Mac OS 9.0.4 anyways.

>>57488418
I'll see if I can find my old one first, though.

>>57488507
Vector tiddies
Do you think anyone ever did something similar on the Alto / Star?

>>57488531
>Thanks! I can use this to upgrade from 10.4.11, instead of just a reinstall, though?
It's a retail image, so yeah, probably without even writing a disc, just extract it or mount on the Mac and install it from there.

>>57488531
>Do you think anyone ever did something similar on the Alto / Star?
They had those machines to fuck around with, I bet.

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>>57488396
this is such a breed.

soviet PC xt clone Пoиcк 1\Poisk 1

>>57488407
hmm, ebay give me much results for x60 battery, but ok, 93P5032.

>>57488507
>nobody bothers anymore, it's easier to waste resources because modern computers have plenty of it

This makes me sad. There are apps that run faster on my G5+HDD then on my MacBook Pro + SSD (MS Office is a big one).

Some of the even older apps running in the classic layer are instantaneous for every operation.

If modern coders were efficient what would computing be like?

>>57488458
>But sites without all that shit are still sluggish as fuck on old hardware. It just doesn't make sense.
Probably also all those high res JPGs and PNGs

>>57488542
Sweet, it's starting itself up right now so I'll let you know how it goes!

>>57488557
It's completely useless nowadays, but I really want an Alto or something to emulate it's look and feel (Kinda like the Retron, but more in the style of the original) since I always really liked the vertical display.>>57488578

>If modern coders were efficient what would computing be like?
Fast and with less complaining. What would it be like if programmers just let us use old versions of the program?

>>57488578
>If modern coders were efficient what would computing be like?
Like Magic

>>57488598
>What would it be like if programmers just let us use old versions of the program?

For programs like Office it's not even any point between the versions from the 90's and the new ones, both get the same shit done.
But the latter ones hog resources. Fuck logic.

>>57488592
>Probably also all those high res JPGs and PNGs

Files of comparable size to web images don't seem to slow down Quark, PageMaker, or the last PPC version of Photoshop.

This comment makes me wonder:
>ridiculously slow on pre-DDR systems

How many times is the CPU going over the same data when rendering a web page that memory bandwidth has such an impact?

>>57488067
True.
Posting this from a PII-300mhz laptop with 256MB ram with Win98SE+Kernelex and Opera 12.02.
Legacy captcha took minutes to load but it might be caused by the 10mbit only ethernet adapter.
Also 12mb of physical ram are free.

>>57488607
/thread

>>57488640
Office '97 is the version I use, but sometimes I need newer things (Publisher), so I've got Office 2007 enterprise for that.

>>57488659
Images were the Mac's foray, they had a video capture card and high-res picture / video editing in the early to mid 1990s as well

>pre-DDR
PC66 was the slow one, but PC100 / PC133 were fine.

>>57488693
Screenshot? Maybe of CPU-Z?

>>57488458
even if you aren't using it you're still running a full-blown language interpreter and a myriad of other supporting features combing through everything that loads, it adds up, modern browsers have a ton of shit in them

but I get you, funny and sad as hell watching hardware that can edit live broadcasts in real-time struggle to shitpost on an imageboard with javascript off

>>57488489
sounds excellent then
I think most of the performance points about leopard are only really relevant on G4 and older systems anyway

>>57488592
nah, images are generally nothing unless we're talking pre-PMMX gear (roughly) with tiny RAM compliments

>>57488695
>Images were the Mac's foray, they had a video capture card and high-res picture / video editing in the early to mid 1990s as well
Even viewing PDFs on a 68k Macintosh is great.

>>57488129
Why isn't there a PC equivalent of TenFourFox (i.e. a browser that works at a usable speed on older Windows versions and hardware?)

>>57488716
>nah, images are generally nothing unless we're talking pre-PMMX gear (roughly) with tiny RAM compliments
I was talking about the 68k

>>57488598
>It's completely useless nowadays, but I really want an Alto or something to emulate it's look and feel (Kinda like the Retron, but more in the style of the original) since I always really liked the vertical display.
probably not really what you meant but there is a working emulator for the Alto-derived PERQ workstations if you just want to play around with those early GUI design paradigms:

http://yahozna.dyndns.org/projects/perqemu/index.html

>>57488749

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dillo

>>57488750
then yeah, images will really fuck you over unless you've totally maxed out the RAM, I couldn't even handle a moderately active thread

>>57488769
according to their site it only runs on Windows with Cygwin, doubt it would play well with older time machine versions on legacy boxes

you got my hopes up too

>>57488716
>but I get you, funny and sad as hell watching hardware that can edit live broadcasts in real-time struggle to shitpost on an imageboard with javascript off
Video Toaster? Nah, we need a Web Toaster now.

>I think most of the performance points about leopard are only really relevant on G4 and older systems anyway
They are for the most part

>nah, images are generally nothing unless we're talking pre-PMMX gear (roughly) with tiny RAM compliments
Unless you have a shitty graphics card you won't notice most of the time either.

>>57488726
>tfw still can't do that on a Core Duo without serious lag

>>57488749
Because Firefox and Opera still work correctly with all the needed functionality on old Windows. Plus, there are hacks to get new applications to run in Windows 9x now, as well.

>>57488758
To be honest, I'd rather have an accurate physical experience than in software. I'd rather have the bigass noisy beige steel box with a huge Diablo disk drive and a vertical monitor, I want the soap box mouse with three arbitrarily named buttons on it that requires a special mousepad to work (okay maybe not that), but I'd just rather have a big clunky thing than a small little box that runs it correctly.

If you ask me, old hardware is not about running the games or the software, it's about experiencing a part of history. I know there are things like SALTO now that do an excellent job of emulating the software of these old computers, but I'd rather have a big quirky box to goof off with.

It's like having an old car, it's more fun to repair it and see it work than it is to get it working from the factory.

>>57488828
>Taskbar
Where did you find this and how can I write it to a diskette for Mac OS 8 / 9.0.4

>>57488822
>Firefox and Opera still work correctly with all the needed functionality on old Windows
Not newer versions. Firefox requires at least Vista now, and Opera XP. Both also require SSE2 instructions which were first introduced on the Pentium 4. And even if you find an old enough version, like hell it will work well. Also you can't install extensions in older versions, so you have to deal with gookmoot's malicious ads.

>>57488808
>according to their site it only runs on Windows with Cygwin, doubt it would play well with older time machine versions on legacy boxes
No, there's a native Win32 version. Also check D+.

>>57488833
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/gomac-202

Don't have networking or a CD drive?
Writing Mac floppies on a PC is problematic.

>>57488833
Try a normal 1.44MB DOS formatted floppy.
SuperFloppy drives should read it fine.

>>57488843
Firefox 10.0.02ESR for Windows 2000 - Still handles Google Docs and 4Chan just fine for me. YouTube even works if you install Flash.

Hell, even old versions of Opera can perform decently on Pentium II systems - here's a video I took with my 3DS (Didn't have phone at the time) of YouTube running on a 233MHz Pentium II with 128MB or so of RAM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2mGEHjJjLI&t=46s
Video was taken a few days after preordered DS's came in - Thought I'd test the camcorder in it.

>>57488898
No networking, can't get it to work on Mac OS 9 (How do I TCP/IP please help), but I've got a 4x (I think) CD-ROM drive and a USB DVD-ROM drive if needed.

How would I write Apple ][ / Macintosh diskettes? I remember doing it in the days of Windows 2000 / early XP, but I can't find the laptop I remember doing it on and the Desktop I had at the time experienced an unfortunate hard disk failure.

>>57488940
>How do I TCP/IP please help
Set it to DHCP

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>>57488940
>that voice

>>57488822
>Unless you have a shitty graphics card you won't notice most of the time either.
that's cool, kind of pulled that one out of my ass since I usually only web surf on PIIs and later, tried it on a P75 with 8MB once and that obviously wasn't a good experience, but of course that's a problem with the RAM

>To be honest, I'd rather have an accurate physical experience than in software.
damn straight senpai, I figured that's what you meant but it was also a good excuse to post that anyway, emulators can be fun sometimes too, though this one definitely doesn't capture the physical experience as well as others

>>57488833
probably this http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/gomac-15v1

if your system's running OS 8/9 it sounds reasonable to assume it would have onboard ethernet, get that shit set up and get it straight from the source, diskettes are annoying as shit to deal with desu

>>57488855
definitely taking a look at that when I get home then

>>57488968
DHCP doesn't really work reliably on old stuff in my experience, he's better off just running an ipconfig /all and getting network setup information that way, it's surprisingly easy on old Mac OS

>>57489001
>DHCP doesn't really work reliably on old stuff in my experience, he's better off just running an ipconfig /all and getting network setup information that way, it's surprisingly easy on old Mac OS
I never bothered and it always just connects right away after and gets an IP after I open Netscape.

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>>57488714
Took me a while, as any version of Windows is incredibly unresponsive when it runs out of physical memory. Had to restart opera as it failed to render anything and download BMP2PNG.
Newest version of CPU-Z for 98 had tiny font, so i used this instead.

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Once upon a time I managed to post from this. It was painful.

>>57489022
might just be a windows thing then, I just got so used to it from fucking around when I started out on 9x equipment that I just do it out of habit on everything nowadays

>>57488940
I never realized how young the shitty mic made me sound before, or how much of a lisp it makes me sound like I have... This is why I stick to my phone.

(Correction to the video - it was 16MB of video memory, ATi 3D Rage Pro Turbo AGP)

>>57488968
I don't have that option, what do? It's connected via ethernet, and it's got it's dial up line connected as well, but even that won't connect

>>57488936
I thought the format was different? It's not like I'm gonna be using 400k / 800k diskettes, but still.

>>57488993
I noticed, what the hell is wrong with that mic?

>>57489001
70ns or 60ns RAM?

The PowerMac G4 doesn't even have a diskette drive I'm pretty sure - but it seems like all the ways it can connect to the internet are dead. No DHCP option and Dial up doesn't connect.

>>57489026
Is HWiNFO still a thing?
That's pretty empty looking though.
Mismatched memory much?

Seems like it's a laptop since NeoMagic MagicMedia256 and all, the Gateway Solo 3300 / 3350 (favorite laptops of all time by far since they're tiny little Pentium IIIs and everything, only surpassed by the OQO series in my book) have that (Not the 3350, that has ATi 3D Rage Mobility, which is much better.)

>>57489052
Hey, it's Windows 2000, everything is painful. I had a Win2k system once that would crash explorer if you right clicked or opened the right click menu in a folder or on the desktop.

>>57489101
>Hey, it's Windows 2000, everything is painful. I had a Win2k system once that would crash explorer if you right clicked or opened the right click menu in a folder or on the desktop.
You mean ME*
Win2k was awesome

>>57489101
>I don't have that option, what do? It's connected via ethernet, and it's got it's dial up line connected as well, but even that won't connect
You don't even have TCP/IP in Control Panel?
You might be missing some extensions then, check Disabled Extensions or it's time for a fresh install.

>>57489101
>70ns or 60ns RAM?
really not sure, but probably 70ns, it's buried in my garage landfill now
>The PowerMac G4 doesn't even have a diskette drive I'm pretty sure - but it seems like all the ways it can connect to the internet are dead. No DHCP option and Dial up doesn't connect.
try setting it up manually from the control panel, run an ipconfig /all on a windows box and get the subnet mask, gateway, DNS servers and the like and then assign it an IP, just increment a little bit from whatever the box you got the info off of had, you probably won't have a collision unless you've got a lot of things on the network

if it's that new it sounds like it wouldn't be wrong of me to assume you've got a zip drive or USB ports, you can just use a flash drive

>>57489101
>what the hell is wrong with that mic?
I think it is not the mic, but rather the videographer.
>Hey, it's Windows 2000, everything is painful.
There's no better OS for that machine. 9x and PPro don't mix well. NT 4.0 is a dumbed down 95 for all I care.

>>57489123
ME was okay - if you had decent drivers for it.
2K was much better with the hacks they have for it to run modern software now, but it was garbage by itself. A worthy opponent, but a bad performer nonetheless.

>>57489143
I have TCP/IP, but I don't have a DCHP option. I've got a Dial-Up option, but it won't connect via the internal modem (It doesn't ever detect a carrier tone and the receiving modem just gives up after a moment or two).

>>57488000
Should have tried forcing the non-javascript captcha trippy anon.

>>57489164
>ME was okay - if you had decent drivers for it.
That was ME's central problem. It supported both NT and 9x style drivers, and if you mix the types it causes instability. But if you can get all of one type (preferably 9x) it'll work as if it were 98 third edition.

>>57489164
Go to TCP/IP control panel
Select connect via ethernet
Then select Configure: Use config from DHCP server

Make sure you have Open Transport extension enabled and that you have the cable inserted.
We are talking about a ethernet connection to a router, right?

>>57489160
Understandable
The PowerMac doesn't have any options except Dial-Up in TCP/IP, which will dial but the internal modem never detects the carrier tone of the modem on the other end and thus the connection never completes.

It's got an external SCSI Zip cassette drive, but I have no media for it. The USB drives might work, but it often can't supply enough power to run things.

>>57489162
bcak off im a reel person with a lot of money and jobs and i hace a degree in things u dont kno so ha i win

How many free RAM slots you got? If you could get it to 192MB or more, you could run XP fairly safely on that machine. Pentium Pro introduced the P6 architecture, it might as well be a Pentium II in a socket.

>>57489230
NT drivers seemed to work fine for me with 9x drivers, but that might have just been that I was running it on a Pentium III with the stock drivers it included (except audio and my capture card(!), which were NT and 98 drivers, respectively).

>>57489238
>There's no ethernet option
Just Dial-Up

Yes, connecting via ethernet from the internal network controller to a Netgear WNR2000v3 which is connected to the AT&T box in another room. CAT5 / RJ45 cables
>>57489164
>DCHP
DHCP*

>>57489291
>The PowerMac doesn't have any options except Dial-Up in TCP/IP, which will dial but the internal modem never detects the carrier tone of the modem on the other end and thus the connection never completes.
But you do have an ethernet port?

>>57487135
I'll be sure to if I can find it again.

Trying to look through old ass MSN chat logs.
I definitely remember sending it to a friend. (who also still browses here, but is muted on mumble because bath. Ryan, you faggot, stop jacking off in the bath)

I'm sure "my" was part of the URL.
But I can't find it by searching them. So there goes that hunch.

>>57487673
Shit dude. You reminded me about my old ass Vtech laptop.
I found my love for programming on that via BASIC.
Man, that was fucking 9 I got that.
Now 30 going on 58.
Time sure flies when you are mid-ancient..

I am not sure where I put that. I remember the screen cracked through a horrible accident that led to something hard being shot in the direction of it. RIP.
I should try replace the screen if I can find it.

>>57489291
The thing is maxed out - only four slots. Were EDO modules made in capacities higher than 32MB apiece? Perhaps it could use high-density shit.

>>57489318
>The thing is maxed out - only four slots. Were EDO modules made in capacities higher than 32MB apiece? Perhaps it could use high-density shit.
Up to 128MB

>>57489302
Yes, there's an onboard connector for RJ45. It's connected to my router with a cable thats probably shorter than 5 feet.

>>57489318
Oh shit, EDO? I thought you were using DIMMs, yeah in that case 2k would be your best bet. XP would run but probably not as well as 2k does right now.

XP will run well on a lot of things - Pentium MMX with 256MB RAM included - but a Pentium Pro and 128MB RAM doesn't seem likely to be one of them.

Also, where the hell can I get a cheap Socket 8 system? I've wanted one for the longest time but I can't seem to find any for a decent price anywhere!

>>57489291
>>57489360
>Yes, connecting via ethernet from the internal network controller to a Netgear WNR2000v3 which is connected to the AT&T box in another room. CAT5 / RJ45 cables
your system is missing some extensions (drivers) then or has them disabled, there must be an ethernet option otherwise

>>57489377
Where can I get them? I've got one of the two system restore discs here, but I can't find the other.

>>57489403
Find them or do a fresh install, get a ISO and burn it, it will work. Hold down C after powering the machine on.

>>57488574
>soviet PC xt clone Пoиcк 1\Poisk 1
I had a similar layout 8080 Russian clone

>>57489438
I know how to boot from CD - but I've only got the software restore disc for 9.0.2 - will that be enough to get it working?

>>57489448
Russia made some... interesting computers and components back in the Soviet days, that's for sure.

>>57488574
Hadn't seen your post before, but thanks! I found it right away. Maybe I was being stupid before, I don't know.

>>57489291
>The USB drives might work, but it often can't supply enough power to run things.
nah, they will just fine, just don't use the port on the keyboard

I just run an extension cable from the second back USB port on mine, works great when you cbf

>>57489360
PPro's aren't gonna be cheap - mobos especially are getting scarce and expensive. I got lucky and got mine for free. I don't know how easy it would be for you to do the same - perhaps try a Craigslist ad offering to "wipe and recycle" old computers. You'll probably get a bunch of pleb shit like P4's - but you never know when something rare will turn up - PPro's included.

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>>57489306
Jesus christ
Decided to check out what Vtech has been up to.

How the fuck did we get to these shit-tops?
There doesn't seem to be a single decent one, all shitty games on screens smaller than god damn smartphone screens, aimed at toddlers.

>>57489360
I think the lowest I ran XP was 512MB.
It was actually pretty decent there, so I can assume 256 wouldn't be too bad as long as the processor was decent enough.
I had it on a 660MHz CPU, forgot the exact model.
All I remember was it ran much faster than the shitty Dells we had at school with Win2k.
Certainly not helped when I ran Blackhawk Downs Mapmaker on schedule for every computer on the last day of school.
lol Novell security.

I wish I was more in to preserving and collecting at the time.
A few of us helped the IT staff take out old computers to the bins.
I aided in the destruction of several pretty damn old computers. Monitors included. Oh god

>>57489475
Wasn't the only Ternary Computer a Russian build? Yeah, Setun from Moscow researchers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setun

Keyboard for my iBook arrived. Now all i need is a battery that actually holds charge.

>>57489475
>will that be enough to get it working?
Yeah!

>>57489577
Why not just buy a whole donor iBook? Thinks cost pennies today.

>>57489595
things*
I should go to sleep

>>57489567
>I can assume 256 wouldn't be too bad
It isn't all that bad - especially if you're using TinyXP. I can manage to post from a 600MHz with that much RAM and TinyXP - a bit painful, but it can be done.

>>57488993
>Justin
top fucking kek

>>57489612
I could imagine Chrome would be hilariously bad on it.
It suffers on my netbook pretty hard.

All that bloat from shit like Flexbox and its 20 thousand fucking lines, all so CSS kiddies don't sperg out over tables for layout that barely anyone was using for a decade before it was created.

CSS3 was a mistake.

>>57489636
There was a masochist on one of the retro threads show showed Chrome on a Pentium 1.

>>57489636
You couldn't even install Chrome on it now - because it requires Win7 or later. But yes, it would be terrible. I used an old version of Firefox - 10.0 is my go-to version for old hardware - to accomplish my feats.

>>57489595
The keyboard was free because the seller of the iBook said it was fully working but it wasn't and the command key was permanently stuck down. I'm still only $30 into this iBook, not counting the charger from my TiBook.

>>57489643
Dear god the horror.

>>57489656
Yeah. Would need to go to Chromium to get anywhere.

Funnily enough, I still have version 0.3 saved in... some folder somewhere.
I lose track of the shitfest of things.

>>57489693
Noice, I also got a iBook a while back for relatively same price, no charger but otherwise mint with even a battery that keeps charge.

>>57489360
>Also, where the hell can I get a cheap Socket 8 system? I've wanted one for the longest time but I can't seem to find any for a decent price anywhere!
Recyclers and thrift store backrooms where they get so much shit they don't care to look it all up are really your only option, the chips alone are worth $50 in gold and everyone's a jew.

>>57489761
>thrift store backdoors
Good luck with that. Most thrift stores won't allow customers back there - they just throw old computers in the landfill if they accept them at all. Most places are too concerned about privacy/personal files and lack the expertise to wipe them, and they figure that they're old tech nobody wants.

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So, I'm the guy who just got the PowerMac G4 MDD.
HOLY SHIT, IT ACTUALLY HANDLES THE MODERN WEB JUST FINE. I could use it as a daily driver if I wanted to. I'm actually finding it as fast if not faster than my core2duo laptop.

>>57489785
Hope you don't mind the noise level if you plan on doing that.

>>57489811
So far no "windtunnel" noise, I think I got one of the last revisions.

>>57489783
That's why you need to "make friends" with them beforehand. Same with recycling centers.
Just man up.

>>57489823
Possibly a later revision or you just haven't used it long/hard enough to cause the temps to go up.

>>57489785
>>57489811
>>57489823
>>57489859

I use my MDD as a space heater in winter.

>>57488726
>Even viewing PDFs on a 68k Macintosh is great.

Exactly. We could have used fucking PostScript for the web and performance would be better than HTML+CSS.

>>57489022

I can confirm DHCP issues with System 7.5-Mac OS 9 (MacTCP and OpenTransport). Every one of my classic Macs is setup manually. Once setup they can access my local network and the Internet fine.

If DHCP works great. But it's one of the first things you should try turning off if you're having trouble.

>>57489859
Any way I can stress it? I've been watching youtube videos and 720p mkvs for an hour and this thing just doesn't give a shit.

>>57490155
Nowadays it probably depends on your router and network in general how compatible they are.

>>57490188
I think Prime95 has a Mac version.

>>57489483
I'll try

>>57489504
I've got a ton of Pentium 4 systems - fun old things, especially since they're dirt cheap now, they're good loaner / I'm-bored-I-want-to-burn-something systems if you ask me.

That's a great idea though, holy shit why didn't I think of that?

>>57489567
VTech also made Apple ][ clones in the late 1980s - Quite good ones at that. Rivaled the originals in price and performance, and it even had some extra video modes that actually made the Macintosh look trashy (572x430 in 16 colors or something similar). Performance of a ][c / ][GS with the price of a television set.

>Blackhawk Downs Mapmaker
You evil (genius) bastard

>destruction of several pretty damn old computers
Don't worry about it - when I was a kid (early 1970s) we used to smash up vacuum tubes just because they were useless at that point and we had no idea how the hell they worked or fit into history, and especially not the value of the equipment in the future.

There would be so many more Zenith's still around today...

>Setun
Eyyy

>>57489579
Sweet! I'll back up the hard disk and go ahead and do a reinstall then.

>>57489595
iBook G3 = Best iBook

>>57489612
Never heard of TinyXP - what is it? Judging by the name, though, it's some kind of cut down version of XP. The question is how cut down is it?

>>57489636
>netbook
>chrome
This is a retro computer thread

>>57489643
Dear lord the absolute madman

>>57489656
>10.0
Go for 10.0.2 ESR - It's a bit better in my opinion.

>>57489693
TiBook?

>>57489700
>Chromium
And get heavy metal poisoning? I don't think so.

>>57489706
I bought a 2007 MacBook once for $7 - it didn't work, the power button was broken, and so was the keyboard. The battery charged, though, and despite having thrown the laptop away since it was in pretty bad shape, I kept the charger since I figure that one day I'll get myself another one and I want to have the charger for that. Kept the battery as well.

>>57489761
Local thrift store doesn't sell computers - if I drive a few more miles, I can get Pentium 4s for $50 a piece refurbished, if I drive even further out, I can get Pentium IIs for free.

If I really want to, I could always go to the recycle yard and grab the shitty P4s and Core Solos they always seem to have lying around.

>>57489783
Which is why landfills are the perfect place to get computers - $3.50 entry fee and you can grab all the computers you can put in your car!

>>57489811
People always tell me that I should get rid of my PowerMac G5 since they run so loud and hot - but my dual 2GHz doesn't seem to. It's always been well behaved from the start, the only two issues I've had with is so far have been as a result of being thrown around at a recycle yard for some months before I paid $26 for it

>>57489871
That's what Pentium 4HTs are for

>>57490120
>PostScript for the web
Browse the web on your laser printer

>>57490188
It's gonna sound cancerous but probably try Minecraft or some other PPC capable game. Anything 3D should really load it down some. I'd say to try multitasking, but Macs always seem to be really good at that.

>>57490332
>>Blackhawk Downs Mapmaker
>You evil (genius) bastard

If you think that is bad, I did something even more annoying.
I regularly scheduled Magnifier to run fullscreen on a friends computer.
It was fucking hilarious seeing him get so mad mid-class.

Also using VNC to type SHIT as a teacher was editing a document. (funniest that time he never noticed it for 30 minutes)
That never lasted long before the sysadmin passworded the VNC.


I also remember me and brother destroyed an old Commodore because it stopped working.
To think, even with my shitty basic knowledge of electronics, I could likely still fix it.
Not sure where our other consoles went to over time. Atari, Jaguar, NES, SNES. Wait, actually, fuck, they might be in that wardrobe they boxed-up.
They were going to knock it through to the front room a long ass time ago, but they never did.
Time to take a sledgehammer a trip.

>>57490332
>iBook G3 = Best iBook
G4*

>>57490332
>TiBook?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_G4

>>57490397
>That's what Pentium 4HTs are for
Apple did a real good job with it's heat blaster, custom made after all, Pentium 4 can't compete.

>>57490481
I've got a G4 - It's okay I guess. A bit slow and the fan gets really noisy at times.

I've always had a soft spot for G3s and their nice colors. Orange iBook and blue iMac was always a dream of mine. Too bad the iMac is expensive as hell to ship and the iBook is mostly a landfill decoration these days. I think I'd have liked the G3 snow a lot better if it came in colors.

>>57490498
PowerBook G4 makes a lot more sense. I thought it was some kind of hack you could do to an iBook.

>>57490512
I never had problems with heat / noise from any Apple computers (excluding iBook G4 and actually now that I think about it a Mac Plus as well), but the P4HT certainly has it's place in that.

>>57490475
>passworded the VNC
Just use a script - Windows 95 and later had VBS, you could always set that up to run in the background.

>could still likely fix it
Commodores were durable as hell, I gotta say. Thats the problem nowadays - you can't just replace that shift register on your motherboard anymore to fix it, or add two resistors and a diode to get an extra 4K of RAM out of your PC, it's just not like that anymore, and it sucks.

>magnifier in fullscreen
At least that's still usable, but that's annoying I'll admit.

Take the sledgehammer trip and report back anon, don't get yourself killed out there.

>>57490397
>>PostScript for the web
>Browse the web on your laser printer

Kek...it might be faster. But in case anyone reading doesn't realize, there was a Display PostScript.

>>57490600
Oh, we did. We got around the VNC blocks pretty easily.
We had full access to the whole major town network run by the local council. (several towns strong)
Thanks, Novell. (more like NovLEL lmao)

Seriously, those systems were so horribly easy to get in to.
I found the system administration tool on an open network drive.
Downloaded it and personally locked that drive from students..
Used it to install game servers, chat servers, proxy and web server, all accessible via Hamachi. Expensive firewalls shit on by simple little Hamachi.
We didn't do anything major back then, just subtle stuff.

Then someone in the year below found it on the computer I used regularly, him and a friend used it to fuck around real bad.
Like enabling Email rules, setting up some filters to auto reply to emails, enabling it for everyone, killing the entire network for several towns in mere minutes. The amplification is real.
Cracking user account passwords, stealing lecturers accounts, e-mailing the whole network with * saying "FIST MY ANUS".
They're the reason we ended up getting a dedicated sysadmin.

He was found out because he never listened to me when I told him to delete logs.
He grassed on the other one. Both were banned from using a council-networked computer forever. rekt


Friend did the same thing at university.
Showed his networking teacher how trivial it was to get around the expensive firewalls and techs with simple, elegant little Hamachi.
Dude got him a job after he helped fix their systems up.

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>>57487883 Perfect Thread to make Vaporwave Art

>>57490828
Windows 98's government grade security - press escape to bypass the super secret password.

>Hamachi
Dear lord

Sounds like you've had one hell of a time with computers. The most excitement I've ever got was when I did a stupid and put a voltage multiplier on the output of a 74xx that went into an amplifier - the flames were awesome but at the time that was an expensive mistake. That damned amp chip cost me $4!

>>57487883
Apple computers always look so comfy. I just can't think of a use for the older ones so I haven't picked any up yet.

>>57491151
mostly put that setup to work on shitty mathematica models, ssh/telnet access, toy software and solitaire desu

>>57491252
There is a modern SSH client for older macs?
IIRC i could never find one that would connect to my linux box on OS9.

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an anon in the last thread asked me to blog my landfill so here's a couple garbage phone shots

>>57491719
Pretty cool desu. Is that G5 or Mac Pro in the corner?

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>>57491719
it's been cold as fuck so it's been hard to keep it clean unfortunately since I'm pretty much just running in and out to quickly retrieve/deposit things

>>57491462
no unfortunately, I ended up enabling SSHv1 on my own server to use it as a bridge box so I could connect to the outside world with NiftyTelnet

>>57491756
just a low-end G5

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>>57491790
the great wall of macshit

>>57491790
How useful is an XT with two HDD's but no FDD?
>>57491806
I like that Micron and Compaq. You got other PC stuff or is it most all Mac?

>>57491806
>tfw my eMac is dead
>tfw i will never find a cheap 20" iMac G4

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>>57491806
don't hate I couldn't help myself at $5 a piece

>>57491822
that's actually just a single XT with an expansion unit holding the drives and additional expansion slots

given the expansion port on the back of the disk controller card I think you could buy externals though

>I like that Micron and Compaq. You got other PC stuff or is it most all Mac?
thanks senpai, I've got a ton of PC shit too, this is just my one shelf of mac stuff

>>57491843
same, most of mine are just first generation models, I have one fucked up 1 GHz/15'' that I'm probably going to behead and turn into a pre-mac mini or some shit if I ever get around to it

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>>57491892
other random stuff including the Quadra in the OP, really want to get that damn thing set up again it was nice

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>>57491906
...then there's this shit
don't worry I'm plenty ashamed

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>>57491941
only the dead may know peace
pretty much just keep parts in here anymore and I'm slowly trying to cherrypick through it and move all the good stuff into the other shed

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>>57491962
there's a cart of servers in here somewhere I want something off of

maybe next year

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and that's all I got, have another shitbox and thanks for reading my blog

I've got an old Mac SE (the one with two floppy drives so you can run the OS and a program at the same time) and I don't know what the fuck to do with it.

>>57492666
look for an external SCSI hard disk for it if you can

>>57492666
Mail it to me, always wanted a Mac SE.

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still around

>>57493511
>IBM PS/2
You could make a literal fortune with just those alone - between $50 and $390 I've seen those go for holy fuck

How many Apple //s do you have back there? What the hell...

>>57493538
I plan on selling a good chunk of this stuff, I'm slowly cleaning/testing/fixing these machines. I had about 12 Apple IIe computers, 8 or so working without much effort.

>>57493552
Holy shit.

Is this all in your house or is it in a warehouse?

(Do you plan on selling it cheap? I might buy a couple off you if that's the case)

guys somewhere in /g/ i saw someone made a macintosh or some kind of mac computer with a raspberry pi as the computer and he used the green monitor to interact with the rasbperry, does anyone has any idea how he did that? does anyone has the picture of it?

>>57493585
Could you describe it some more?

Sounds very interesting.

>>57493597
it was pretty cool but i never saw it again and forgot to save the pic, its basically a mac with a raspberry pi green console interface, i believe he used the original monitor and i cant find it online...

>>57493563
Its all in my basement, the picture of the garage has mostly been sorted and wiped down. I've been slowly selling some of the apple stuff on ebay. Theres a little bit more thats not pictured, but its not much.

I feel bad advertising here but if you are interested in buying then you can contact me at [email protected]

>>57493614
That sounds really neat, actually.

>>57493637
Sending you an email right now.

>>57493585
>>57493614
are you talking about the guy hanging an apple IIe off of his rpi as a terminal that posts in these threads sometime?

>>57493711
yeah i think so, didnt knew it was apple IIe, i saw it on a desktop thread

>>57493711
>>57493737
Would love to see this if there are pics anywhere

>>57493737
im wondering how he did it though

>>57493749
Emulator probably.

>>57493758
no, he had a physical apple II with a raspberry pi terminal, like a literal hipster, and i kinda want to make one

>>57488032
If we stopped with the useless eye candy we could still be using these systems.

>>57493770
I guess. Probably a serial port in that case.

>>57493788
Hey, what can you do.
You could make your own operating system. I'm certainly up for it if you want to.

I'm afraid I can only really do graphics and layout since I'm no good at C or it's related languages, but if you ever want to, drop me a line:

[email protected]

>>57493397
I mean, if you're willing to pay for shipping and toss me a couple dollars for the inconvenience, sure. It's as-is, cosmetic damage (the handle in particular is weird, like someone tried to gently reform the plastic to fit their fingers - it's not burnt, has no holes, it's just somewhat knurled and oddly smooth for no apparent reason) and I haven't been able to properly test it. Powers up just fine but I don't have a spare floppy drive to actually write an OS disk.

Comes with M+KB, no original power cable or box/manuals. I picked it up from a friend who was throwing it out thinking I would rescue it from its rough life and actually do something cool with it, but it's just sat in the basement.

>>57493922
Send me an email at [email protected], depending on where you live I can buy it.

I've got a set of diskettes for it and a hard disk for one as well.

>>57493964
Can't get into my throwaway gmail account, and can't be assed to get a disposable email working through umatrix. I'd be mailing it from the US midwest, Missouri specifically.

>>57494079
That's not as bad as I was expecting.

(The kkendall68 account is throwaway by the way)

>tfw $75 won't just fall from the sky so that I can get a powerbook g4 to throw debian on and shitpost on it at starbucks

>>57494107
I'll send you an email tomorrow, right now I'm falling asleep at the keyboard.

>>57494230
Sounds good to me.

I'll get back to you ASAP, it might be from a few hours to a few days so expect that.

>>57494152
>$75
>spending more than $50 on a TiBook
>getting an aluminum PowerBook

>>57491719
>>57491790
>>57491806
>>57491892
>>57491906
>>57491941
>>57491962
>>57491999
Selling them?

>>57493637
Where are you located?

>>57493585
>how he did that?
>what is serial terminal

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>>57493585

>>57494152
75? They ain't that expensive, don't get ripped off.

>>57491822
>How useful is an XT with two HDD's but no FDD?
how new are you?

>>57491892
>don't hate I couldn't help myself at $5 a piece
>so I hoard 10 of everything so others can't get shit
there are several anons here who just hoard shit, don't sell it and don't use it and don't even keep it in a good environment

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>>57497579
Welcome to /g/retro
>fuck it, I don't want to sell them, I collect retro tech you see, but they are just wasting away, slowly rusting in humid, cold rooms, all just thrown on top of each other, heck I bet some of the shit does not even work anymore, I'm probably never going to set them up again, something happens to me they end up in a landfill, but that's not the point, I'm a collector.

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inbi4:go to /a/

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>>57493585

>>57497708
nice macintosh

>>57497636
go to /vr/
that's the weeb retro board

>>57497959
but I don't play games much.

>>57493511
You wouldn't happen to have any ATX cases or something you'd be willing 2 sell?

>>57493803
Can you play video or anything on those things?

>>57491806
Is that a Quadra pizza box?

>>57493585
>>57493597
>>57493711
>>57495612
>>57495642
Nice samefagging. Why hasn't this spammer been banned yet?

>>57495963
All of the ones below $75 were missing HDDS, batteries, chargers, or had busted keyboards. I factored in the approximate price of having to buy whatever was missing.

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>>57498641

>>57497579
>>57497624
this makes me sad, I have all my hardware I'm interested in, they are set up, just a few components for backup, but there are people who don't and never will because some people just landfill them in their garages because of "muh retro"

>>57487883

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx7hCQeuEaE

>>57499144
fucking normies

>>57498040
neither do they, they just brag about it

>>57499612
it's even worse.

>>57488574
>>57488377
awesome cat

>>57495578
eventually I would love to siphon off a bunch of cheap shit to people but at the moment I really just can't deal with the agony of proper shipping for what are ultimately just $10-$20 items, I don't want to scalp and it would be disrespectful to the people who sold it to me because I'm not just in it to resell

>>57498504
yeah, well a centris, but pretty much the same shit

>>57497579
>>57498752
sorry you feel that way but I live in bumfuck nowhere and absolutely nobody else had a shot at any of this stuff, they're recycler rescues that would have otherwise been sent straight to the crusher the very next day and destroyed forever

>>57497624
live in a pretty low-humidity environment and actually use a lot of this shit, I just don't have my entire house lined with desks and shelves so I regularly swap things in and out of storage instead

eventually I'd like to use all of this stuff for bench testing and performance comparisons, eventually maybe a museum

>>57500704
If you have any 68040 Macs I'd take it off your hands. What state are you in?

>>57500944
I live in Idaho, still gotta go through a lot of this stuff before I start getting rid of any though

>>57500970
Shit that really is bumfuck.

>>57497708
The commodore's keyboard is to die for

>>57488085
>that ay lmao cat on the background being more interesting than what the photo is supposed to be about

>>57500995
there's a surprising amount of tech stuff but it is really isolated and there isn't seemingly much of a market for retro stuff locally, at least not a noticeable one, only really knew one other guy into it and he's across the country now with all my other retrobros

when it gets warmer I think I'll figure something out, for now I'm just going to stick to slowly trying to organize things

>>57501153
You're a cool guy, my dude.

>>57501200
y-you too

>>57488377
Nice cat, but yiff in fucking hell, furfag.

>>57500704
>sorry you feel that way but I live in bumfuck nowhere and absolutely nobody else had a shot at any of this stuff, they're recycler rescues that would have otherwise been sent straight to the crusher the very next day and destroyed forever
That's good you got em, need more people like you

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>>57487883

>>57500704
Got any PDS or NuBus PPC cards that you might sell?

>>57501339
with pleasure, pal.

>>57498641
Nice shittposting. Why hasn't this faggot killed himself yet?

>>57501447
Who's Isaac?

>>57501510
The faggot who lives in that room

>>57501452
you'd think I would but I haven't seen a single one, most of my spares are all boring run of the mill PC stuff unfortunately

>>57501543
And what is the significance of that faggot?

>>57501568
He posts shitty pics

>>57501555
Darn, nice digits tho
Too I don't live close, I'd love to come help you one day you start cleaning it all, just to see some of the stuff

>>57501593
too bad*

>>57499144
What a boring ass fag, not even downloading porn, chatting or playing Marathon online?
What's the point.

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>>57498641

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>>57501634
kek, hes such a fag

>>57500704
>absolutely nobody else had a shot at any of this stuff
This is how I get most of my things. People find a shitty old Vaio PIII in their basement and practically throw it at me.

I have four Commodore 64s because my parents kept theirs and a friend of the family found three in box in his basement, and two Apple ][ clones.

It's not like anyone else around here wants them, and I wish I could save more of this stuff (usually the things I can't get to work after a year get sold or tossed in the bin if they're not even worth it. How in the hell do people acquire so many cable modems?), but I just don't have the space.

>>57498752
Would you like to pay that electrical bill? I've got a few of my favorites set up and that's it. The rest are mostly parts for when I find something else nice that I like.

>>57501746
>Would you like to pay that electrical bill? I've got a few of my favorites set up and that's it. The rest are mostly parts for when I find something else nice that I like.
You don't run them 24/7 silly
Also most of that stuff is really low power

>>57501798
The 85W power supply may not seem like much at first, but then multiply that by 50 and add CRTs and older LCDs for all of them and you've got what soon adds up to be more than I want to pay for.

>>57501854
You're not running them all at once, it doesn't matter if you have two or fifty, you're only at one at a time.

>>57501930
You'd be surprised at standby power (Not on AT machines, only got 2 of those anyways).

I don't have the space or the need to have them all set up anyways.

>>57501975
>You'd be surprised at standby power
Even the older Macintoshes that already have switching supplies only take microamps in standby, CRTs have hardware switches, so do most things build before the mid 90's.

Also don't keep them connected to the mains 24/7, the things that go to standby, have a outlet with a switch.

>>57501975
>I don't have the space or the need to have them all set up anyways.
I didn't tell you to, I just picked up your post saying that electricity would be a problem.

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>>57501746
yeah it's really unfair to assume all of us hoardertards are just standing by looking for big auctions to fuck people out of hardware just to toss it into a pile, the closest thing I've done to that is probably when I bought a bunch of commodore shit from a surplus shop where it was just sitting there for literally a year with no interest, it would have gotten scrapped or destroyed for makerfag bullshit projects if I didn't swipe it up

I already got triggered with them a little while earlier when they got an immaculate example of pic related and were selectively scrapping peripherals because they had no idea what it was, had already saved all the manuals, box and like 3 years worth of Osborne user group mags from their first-revision O1 before that too

>>57502108
I guess it's okay if you're using a broken machine or using it as parts to make another one work correctly, but tearing these things apart (in my opinion) just to make your arduino project look nice is way out of line.

>>57502036
Fair enough

>>57502027
I've got very limited space, as in I'm not going to get up on my table to turn a switch off every night, it's just not safe. It's better for me to just have my favorites set up.

>>57502184
>I'm not going to get up on my table to turn a switch off every night, it's just not safe
Having them plugged in without supervision is not safe.

>>57502244
Except those times when I couldn't care less. They're pretty much the only things I own with any value, so if they catch fire and burn my house down the only real damage is the things that started the fire anyways.

>>57491047
Decent, but you really should have made the horizon line and monitor parallel.

>>57502394
So, take care of them better.

>>57502394
>so if they catch fire and burn my house down
probably won't, but it will just fry the system itself, which is sad by itself

>>57502419
I've yet to have that happen.

>>57502401
You're making me question whether I care to keep them in my home anymore

>>57488377
>Furry
that poor fucking cat.

>>57502542
it would be, if you was the owner. but that's not even my cat.

>>57502542
Irrelevant much? Go vent your insecurities somewhere else.

>>57502184
same, if the shit's boned another machine is going to have to be gutted to make it work again anyway but destroying a piece of history (and a desirable piece at that) just for some shallow pursuit of aesthetics or internet attention points is just ghastly

shit I bet they wouldn't have even done that though, most of the time they were just clipping the wires and other minor components like that and tossing the rest, not even doing anything with the actual hardware itself

>>57502108
>I already got triggered with them a little while earlier when they got an immaculate example of pic related and were selectively scrapping peripherals because they had no idea what it was, had already saved all the manuals, box and like 3 years worth of Osborne user group mags from their first-revision O1 before that too
what happened to it then?

>>57502575
which one?

the osborne 1 was sold (I was actually going to buy it, but when I asked about it they said they were keeping it and then sold it to someone else the next day)

god knows what happened to the digital group box, they kept it own a shelf gathering dust for a while and then I presume they either sold it or even just trashed it entirely along with all the other stuff they were doing nothing with when they moved to a smaller building

the one piece I knew they scrapped was the quad cassette deck, and I didn't realize it until after it was long gone

also saved a NeXT laser printer off of one of their color slabs they decided to throw out for some reason (just the printer, not the slab, god knows what happened to that either)

>>57502570
I think out of all the stuff I'd like to see a modern clone of (NES Classic style things, company makes a modern version of the old product), I'd probably want the Alto the most, since the emulators out there really suck.

A vertical CRT for a modern computer would be nice as well.

What is unacceptable though is gutting a system to put a Raspberry Pi or something into it to run MAME games or some bullshit in a fancy case.

It's even worse that they don't at least keep or even salvage the original boards, that's just complete bullshit and an absolute punch to the face.

>>57502642
NeXT stuff always looked really cool. Weird to think that they helped move us forward to where we are now, what with all the 3D animation and widespread networking.

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So it's a long shot, but I've been looking at picking up a PPC mac at some point. It's probably going to be a laptop, but a tower would be cool too since I'd be able to use my vastly superior modern IPS display with it vs. the crappy mobile TN panels of the early 00s.

Is there any way I might be able to get an OS 9 booting machine to drive 2560x1440? From what I can gather, it doesn't seem possible, and I'd have to settle at running my monitor at ~1600x1200 1:1 pixel mode.

Semi related sidenote, I thought pic related was the coolest shit on the planet back when it was new. Always wanted a G4 tower but could only ever afford iMacs (G3 gumdrop -> iLamp -> first-gen iMac G5).

>>57502666
RPi mods really trigger me, but that's partially autism since I really just don't like the shills on /g/ that treat it like some kind of man-portable supercomputer

some day I really want to get myself a nice mono slab setup, they're absolutely beautiful inside and out and have a very well-archived commercial software base, would love to use one for development stuff and my shitty mathematica models especially

>>57502691
can't imagine it would be possible without custom drivers, but I've never tried it
never really found myself all that triggered by the displays these systems shipped with though, the studio display on my quicksilver got the job done quite nicely, and the incredibly well-archived software base on this platform is really what makes it great to me, not so much the spec sheets

>>57502691
So long as you've got the video memory, in my experience you can drive however the high resolution you want. You'll probably want a G5 with Tiger to run Classic mode, though, since they're more capable machines with PCIe and AGP Pro than the AGP 2x of the G4s.

>>57502773
Same. The Raspberry Pi seems like a good idea for $30... Until you realize it can't do squat.

>>57502691
I don't know about 2560x1440, but I'm pretty sure you can do more than 1600x1200. 1920x1440 should be doable, at least. CRTs and some high end LCDs were supporting resolutions higher than 1600x1200 when OS 9 was still current.

>>57502773
>can't imagine it would be possible without custom drivers, but I've never tried it
>never really found myself all that triggered by the displays these systems shipped with though, the studio display on my quicksilver got the job done quite nicely, and the incredibly well-archived software base on this platform is really what makes it great to me, not so much the spec sheets
I can definitely imagine studio displays holding up with time and generally being decent – they were professional devices, not cheap consumer stuff. I'd love to have one but I don't really have to desk space for it right now and would need to reuse my current monitor or get a laptop.

>>57502795
>You'll probably want a G5 with Tiger to run Classic mode, though, since they're more capable machines with PCIe and AGP Pro than the AGP 2x of the G4s.
I've considered this, but at least one game I'd like to run has weird artifacting on ground textures when run under Classic and there's a handful of things that just crash if opened under it. OS 9 booting would definitely be preferable.

Here's to hoping that the guys over at MacOS9Lives succeed in their attempts to get OS 9 running on some newer macs.

>>57502795
it has its place and it's neat, but there's nothing more triggering than talking about some real cool piece of high-end kit and having it shit all over by some hipster trying to compare it to that little USB-throttled turd

god damn the first generation models were so pathetic they couldn't even out-run 1995 vintage shit in some cases, but I'd at least expect the later ones to not be that destitute I guess

>>57502823
sucks to hear that then, in my own experience it seems a lot of older operating systems/driver sets just don't support these newer resolution modes though as others said there's really nothing preventing it from being possible theoretically

other than that guy's G5 recommendation, you could try a late-model DDR G4 that will boot OS 9 natively, dualbooting is surprisingly easy and you could at least utilize your higher resolution display for non-games stuff

on the other hand, if you've got the desk space for a laptop it seems like it might be worth trying to see if you can cram an old high end 1600x1200 flat panel into your setup

>>57502931
I've heard the model 3 is pretty okay.

>>57502884
I always thought low res was fun, and that's why I like the iMac G3 over the rest. Comapct macs for the win.

That's just my opinion, though. I've been using this 1280x1024 HP vs17e since the early 2000s, so I'm usually fine with all this older stuff. If it hadn't broken, I'd still probably be using my 1024x768 Viewsonic LCD or even the 800x600 HP CRT.

>>57495602
Alberta, Canada.

>>57498128
Sorry I have no empty cases. I havent checked how nicely a ATX board would fit in those numbered cases in the front either, but they are a fair size.

>>57503025
>I always thought low res was fun, and that's why I like the iMac G3 over the rest. Comapct macs for the win.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the hell out of my iMac G3. That little guy was largely responsible for introducing me full breadth of the internet, online forums, instant messaging, and programming among other things and put me on the path of software dev as a career. It'd be incredibly nostalgic to have one again, but I just don't have room. Such is life in an apartment. Maybe one of these days when I have a house…

>>57503277
I'd get an iMac G3 right now if shipping wasn't $75 for a computer that I'm only paying $20 for.

>>57502795
>The Raspberry Pi seems like a good idea for $30... Until you realize it can't do squat.
The Pi is fine if you have an use for it.

>>57503614
True, but it just seems a bit... pointless, you know?

>Not good for work
>Not good for games
>Not good for someone's first computer
>Not useful for diagnostics

It just seems a bit gimmicky to me, like it's a phase and that it'll pass soon.

>>57503670
It's good for more complex applications a Arduino can't manage.
That's to it's cheap price and GPIO.

>>57503704
>That's to it's cheap price and GPIO
What?

I suppose yeah it's able to do more complex things than an Arduino... But so are plenty of other boards. They're running Linux / Windows 10 on the RPi, why do they need to over complicate it so much?

>>57503670
>Not useful for diagnostics
how? it's perfect for diagnostics hooked up to a bigger machine
like monitoring and controlling engines or a bunch of power usage of a cluster or machines

>>57503736
>They're running Linux / Windows 10 on the RPi, why do they need to over complicate it so much?
Because that's how they sell it, they try to make it user friendly for the newbie to learn. Nobody forces you to use their pre packed software, if you utilize it for your own work you need.

>>57503740
Because things like this exist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Vaio_P_series
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Vaio_UX_Micro_PC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OQO
That can outperform it and do the job much, much better.

>>57503761
How can I write custom control software for it? That makes it sound a lot better than I thought at first, way more useful.

>>57503782
>Because things like this exist:
But they are useless for integrating, cost way more money, consume more power, don't even have the general purpose input/output and are generally usually too complex and powerful for the things one might want to use them.

>>57503782
>Because things like this exist
are you really comparing UMPCs to boards you would use in projects?

>>57503782
>How can I write custom control software for it?
I guess the same way people have ported various operating systems to them.
Google. I'm not going to give you a lecture.

>>57500999
Indeed, it sucks so much.

>>57503879
Diagnostics in this case, not projects.

>>57503832
For diagnostics? You don't usually need GPI/O to test network structure and security.

>>57503910
Fair enough.

>>57503943
C64 keyboard was great, Amiga and C128 sucked. C16 was okay, VIC20 was less okay, and the PET was unacceptable.

>>57503957
>For diagnostics? You don't usually need GPI/O to test network structure and security.
Diagnostics are not just network structure and security, he even explained some scenarios.

>>57503976
USB Relays exist, you know.

>>57503957
>C64 keyboard was great, Amiga and C128 sucked.
Are you for real? Do you have had to type on them for extended period of time?
The C64 one flaw was its weak keyboard, shitty travel and too high keys.
Amiga is fine, standard half mechanical keyboard, you can actually type on it, fast, without slipping like on the C64.

>>57504006
But why? You don't need them, why make things overly complicated and expensive, bring in more possible things to fail on a system.

>>57504024
Couldn't afford more than a C64 and the Apple // in the office at the time, thought the C128 at the Library had was trashy and the Amiga I eventually bought has an acceptable but annoying keyboard.

Always liked the C64 better.

>Why make things overcomplicated
Why port Linux to the RPi if it's just going to make everything turn upside down metaphorically

>>57503957
>Diagnostics in this case, not projects.
integrating diagnostics into a system, a single project, is still a project, why mess with several controllers and a UMPC if you could just have a plastic box hooked onto it with a touch screen where everything is connected and booted up with the device, where you can just check and change things with a press of a finger

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>>57504051
I posted this in the last thread, but here's proof of my 4x C64 and 2x Apple ][s. The Amiga is in my attic because the monitor stopped working and I couldn't find my RGB to Composite / VGA adapter.

>>57504086
Why run Linux on something with so much potential?

>>57504051
>Why port Linux to the RPi if it's just going to make everything turn upside down metaphorically
It's a ARM SoC, it's so easy to do that, why not? It's more user friendly for newbies and perfect base for most things you could use one for, you know, your router runs it, so do the servers hosting these sites.

>>57497708
What program are you running on it?

I have one too, except I don't have the cassette drive.

I also remember Fast Hack'em 9. Great program.

>>57504112
>Linux
>Friendly for newbies
I hope you're talking about Linux with a desktop environment.

>>57504127
Not OP, but I haven't got a cassette drive either (not anymore at least).
>Fast Hack'em 9
Now we're talking

>>57504148
>I hope you're talking about Linux with a desktop environment.
But that's exactly what Pi has. Easy to attract people to learn more about it.

>>57504148
I still have a floppy with it (along with Temple of Apshai, Dark Castle, Mario Bros. Spy vs. Spy, Microsoft Multiplan & Commodore Writer).

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>>57504112
>>57504148
Forgot to mention that my router is a bit older than you might imagine.

Not pre-Linux, but pre-Linux-on-commercial-devices.

>>57504167
They could put the word Linux on anything and /g/ will immediately like it.
>install Gentoo

>>57504192
I've got plenty of diskettes as well. Got a ton of cartridges too.
1541, 1541C, and 1541-II.

>>57504217
>They could put the word Linux on anything and /g/ will immediately like it.
Why do you think Linux is popular in some fields? It's an useless desktop operating system, but it has many useful uses.

>>57504252
While this is true, the same can be said for plenty of other things.

>>57504217
>Forgot to mention that my router is a bit older than you might imagine.
interesting, a retro router on a retro thread, what model?

>>57504217
>I've got plenty of diskettes as well. Got a ton of cartridges too.
>1541, 1541C, and 1541-II.
Nice

I only have the 1541 & 3 cartridges (Pac-Man, Jaw Breaker & Super Zaxxon).

>>57504275
It's an old Linksys. It's not a wireless router, mind you, just a wired one from the mid 1990s. Not sure what model. Lots of nice blinky green lights on the front.

>>57504300
The 1541C doesn't work and the 1541-II is inconvenient, I should add, so the 1541 is basically the best you're going to be able to get.

Magic Desk I is the best cartridge in my opinion. Wish they'd made a Magic Desk II.

M.U.L.E. is my favorite C64 game. From a time when EA was still good.

>>57501568
He used to post here all the time, he didn't put on a trip but acted like a tripfag

>>57504365
>The 1541C doesn't work and the 1541-II is inconvenient, I should add, so the 1541 is basically the best you're going to be able to get.
but the 1541-II had a lot of usual faults and ROM bugfixes versus the 1541

>>57504480
The 1541-II also had a power brick that weighed more than the actual device

>>57504506
small price to bay for a better and smaller floppy drive itself

>>57504528
I've just had more reliability issues with the 1541-II and more space issues with it than my 1541.

>>57504545
>reliability issues with the 1541-II
that sucks, usually it's the opposite, that's why the 1541-II is like generally more
the 1531 is more aesthetic together with the breadbox

>>57504557
liked*

>>57504557
>is liked generally more
the 1531 is more aesthetic together with the breadbox
What?

>>57504599
1541 obviously, I'm fucking high

>>57504645
I was going to say, the 1531 is a cassette drive.

>I'm fucking high
Nostalgia or what

>>57504658
>I was going to say, the 1531 is a cassette drive.
just made a hackjob adapter for the 1531 to use with the C64 a while back

>>57504797
What did it change?

>>57504802
1531 uses Mini-DIN that's on the C16 and Plus/4
C64 has the edge connector

electrically compatible otherwise

>>57488940
>Weird Al

muh nigga

>>57503670
>>57503736
the thing about the RPi that makes it see so much use as a glorified microcontroller (as overpowered for that task as it is) is how damn easy it is in comparison to a lot of other solutions

there's no need for an external system with a properly configured development toolchain, no need for all the equipment you may or may not need to interface with a run-of-the-mill dev board, and so on

just plug in whatever shitty peripherals you have laying around or even just SSH into the damn thing, wire up whatever shitty hipster project you're doing, load your favorite IDE/editor and go

it may be bloated, inelegant and just plain overkill but for 90% of the things its target audience wants to do, it's absolutely fine

>>57492048
holy shit, whats the model anon? That looks nice, I want one now.

>>57506058
it's an OmniBook Sojourn, an HP-badged variant of the Mitsubishi Pedion

really neat system, beat out the MBA by a decade (and still thinner) and wasn't all that bad under the hood either, the keyboard is absolute hot garbage though

probably going to dualboot it with NT4 and Win95 when I can get a fucking AC adapter for it, too bad there's probably no chance in hell of getting the battery repacked though

>>57506121
>Mitsubishi Pedion
Well now I have to buy it.

>>57507080
there's a couple nice looking mitsubishi-branded ones on ebay but the prices are of course a little steep at $150-$200 and the nicest one is also missing the AC adapter

they're pretty rare systems though I guess, their $6000 retail price and extreme niche didn't make them an instant success

>>57507397
I'd be curious to see inside if you were ever inclined to disassemble it. Mitsubishi Group companies tend to have some pretty slick engineering in their products.

>>57502884
>Here's to hoping that the guys over at MacOS9Lives succeed in their attempts to get OS 9 running on some newer macs.

They have OS 9 running on the Power Mac G4 1.42 GHz DP (MDD/FW800). I have one setup for dual boot with Tiger and OS 9. I believe it's the fastest machine that can boot OS 9 directly, with the possible exception of a G4 tower with a 3rd party CPU upgrade.

The G5s scream when running classic apps. But as you point out classic mode compatibility is not 100%.

I would be surprised if someone got OS 9 running on a G5.

>tfw no dual 22" adc displays for my g4
>tfw if I had them I would want to get a windtunnel g4 because actually usable specs
>tfw then the displays wouldn't match style wise

>>57502642
>not the slab, god knows what happened to that either)

Any time I hear about NeXT stuff being lost/destroyed I want to shed a tear.

>>57502666
>NeXT stuff always looked really cool. Weird to think that they helped move us forward to where we are now, what with all the 3D animation and widespread networking.

Even weirder to think about the fact that most of the code in OS X...er...macOS and iOS was developed at NeXT. The freaking NS prefix is still every where. When you use your iPhone you're very much using a NeXT computer.

>inb4 /g/ can't afford an iPhone

Also: spooky trips

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Is this fixable? I don't want to gut one that can work

>>57509886

Not sure if this will help: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1446996?start=0&tstart=0

>>57509771
They have and for most part it works fine.
All G4 Macs support OS 9, some just require a ROM tweak or tweaking the OS 9 system itself with a hex editor.

>>57509886
Recap it. That's all.
That's like the most common fault of those machines.

But if you didn't know that or didn't even bother looking into it yourself, you probably don't want or need that machine.

>>57509930
Meh. I just want one to make, as an anon said last thread, "a faggy hipster machine" with modern internals and a screen from a retina iPad for keks and I won't gut a working one. It just seems that shells go for more than a broken, or malfunctioning one does.

>>57509999
have fun quadfag

>>57501447
brings back memories senpai

>>57509999
find one with a corroded insides