Silicon Valley frets over foreign worker crackdown.

why does it matter?
they already operate in India and Asia anyway.

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Why don't they just hire them to work in their own countries without bringing them here?

>>57487265
>"Pajeets stealin' muh jobs!"

No, they just happen to be more qualified than you, and there aren't enough American workers to fill these positions.

Go on and deport all Pajeets. Don't complain when a lack of qualified medical professionals means you can't get medical treatment anymore.

>>57487352
>>57487360

Some stuff requires them to be physically in the US.

>>57487398

No you lying shitskin fuckface. The only "skill" these Pajeets have is working for lower wages because they have lower expectations and no student loans to repay.

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>>57487398
>and there aren't enough American workers to fill these positions.
Then wouldn't rising wages entice more Americans to enter the fields?

>>57487408
>shitskin

I'm white, and I have no problems finding employment.

You're just underqualified.

>>57487500

You apparently can't read. I haven't graduated yet, so I'm not looking for work, and I'm in an internship.

You are a traitor. Trumps redhats will deal with you soon enough.

>>57487398
It's the same shit with using illegal immigrants, the employers get work for a fraction of what they'd have to pay an American. No such thing as "not enough american workers", it's all about greed and exploitation.

>>57487352
time zone difference kills communication which kills outsourcing

>work in defense
>required to maintain Top Secret clearance
>legally can't outsource jobs because they can't get clearances

it's kinda great.

>>57487416
That's how it's meant to work but you can make larger profits if you just import cheap labor

>>57487500
I think you've missed the point. Pajeets and chinks come by the thousands every year to top American universities, use their facilities and resources, then go back to their lands. The American taxpayer has been giving back to the system all their life through taxes, tuition, etc while these people abuse it and give nothing back.

>>57487398
"qualified"

literally just kill yourself

>>57487906
>Pajeets and chinks come by the thousands every year to top American universities, use their facilities and resources, then go back to their lands. The American taxpayer has been giving back to the system all their life through taxes, tuition, etc while these people abuse it and give nothing back.

>implying they don't pay tens if not hundreds of thousands for their tuition (be it from parents because rich or from their homeland)

Sure you're not mixing up Europe with 'murika?

>>57487712
Lol fuck off you autist. No ones giving you clearance except that mlp you take to bed at night

>>57487398
When will people realize "globalism" is just "we want to bring underpaid workers to places where taxes are marginal".

If Apple could bring the chinese to make their phones on Ireland (remember the tax stuff?), they would. But since it's easier to just outsource it completely to China, they do that instead.

Now imagine if you, as a startup hipster elitist, could hire an underpaid worker to work for you in Silicon Valley. You can't outsource it to China or bumfuck nowhere because it's your work. What now? Of course you hire the underpaid guy.

>>57488063
not really a big deal, even here in germany. university is around 500€ per year here, the rest is tax paid. it's money well invested (to our corporations), because it means that they will be able to find qualified people when they outsource.

otoh, many do stay. which is fine, because they're usually not the scum you don't want.

>>57487416
>Then wouldn't rising wages entice more Americans to enter the fields?
IT isn't welding, or long-haul driving, where there's literally zero on the job training and you literally need to have 2 legs and 2 hands and a brain capacity to turn the steering wheel/hold the welding gear.

As for the IT you need to have an aptitude for it and a lot of knowledge and experience before you actually get to work + on the job training, getting to know the team and how they do shit in this company, there's too many little details here.

So no you can't just jump into it because it's hip, if you do you will regret it and have a burn out so immense you will be literally blown the fuck out physically and mentally.

I have an Israeli professor in New Zealand that claimed that Silicon Valley is just filled with pajeets and chinks when he was there working for IBM. Is this true?

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>yfw you realize that globalism and bringing foreign workers into white countries is just another way to diminish the role of the white man/women in their own societies

Imagine Israel, for example, had Catholics in their government recommending immigration for every ethnicity besides Israelis and demanding more diversity in Israeli companies that diminishes the role of native Israeli in their land. It wouldn't seem so rosy now, would it?

>>57487265
Thank god I live in the timeline of the God Emperor

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>>57488271
This.

They can offshore them.

Tie a bunch of ferries together ten miles off SF.

Isn't there something like this already

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>>57488262
In the article OP posted (open it with google cache), there's a figure that says +70% of hired immigrants are from India. But tech people say "we want to bring talented immigrants". Do you really think there at that many talented people in India? It's pretty self-evident they're bringing people that work for less.

>>57488302
Yes. Indian people have really high average IQ and their population is huge. Their country is developing and betting on technology. It's obvious that you're gonna get lots of qualified workforce from there.

>>57488302
It's much better than leaving them there to shit in the streets, at least in the US they can become civilized people.

>>57488317
>Indian people have really high average IQ

India's average IQ is 82, lower than Amerinigs.

>>57487712
I've been thinking of moving to San Diego and working for a defense company. Worth it? I have no clearance or anything yet.

>>57488114
Wew, some is salty

>>57488317
I don't doubt for a second that they have talented people, but the way those companies burn through 85,000 H1-B visas per year is quite telling. I don't know if you remember the Koch Brothers stuff during the presidential campaign, but it was very clear from the onset that they wanted a relaxation on immigration hurdles to bring in underpaid workers.

>>57487906
Foreign students pay out of state tuition which is basically the true cost of going to the school.

>>57488335
The ones coming to America do

>>57488352
That's not what you said faggot. You said, "Indian people have really high average IQ." Overall, they are trash. Just because our kikes are exploiting their upper caste at our expense, doesn't mean their shithole nation is any good.

>>57488336
bumping because I'm interested in this too

>>57488367
You're getting the very best so what's the problem? They are not hiring some dumbass pajeets. They are hiring qualified people from India.

>>57488404
They depress wages you dipshit. How many times does this have to be explained?

>>57488225
you're a fucking idiot, I'm a sysadmin and I know for a fact that welding takes a lot of fucking skill

>>57487398

>Don't complain when a lack of qualified medical professionals means you can't get medical treatment anymore.

Hollow threat. Medical errors are the #3 killer in the USA behind heart disease and cancer.

>>57487265
>Google the title because and open in incognito mode
did you just assume my browser

>>57487408
>No you lying shitskin fuckface. The only "skill" these Pajeets have is working for lower wages because they have lower expectations and no student loans to repay.
There is a half-truth to this, if you go to Silicon Valley now there is a shortage of programmers to do the easiest programming jobs ie. web and mobile. Not saying that that some software companies abuse work visas for cheaper hires, but you are not going to see a huge exodus of pajeets even if they crack down on these abuses

>>57488434
Of course they depress wages since if you are a specialist who is needed in 10 different corporations they are gonna offer you tons for working with them and not competition. Doesn't change the fact that the country needs workforce and you should stop crying about being paid 100k instead of 200k because they can expand their search for workforce into foreign countries. Doesn't change the fact that workforce is lacking.

>>57488404
>"They are not hiring some dumbass pajeets."

Want to know how I know you've never worked with companies like TCS or Infosys?

By the way, outsourcers like these make up the bulk of the H-1B applicants.

>>57488469

You're arguing against working class interests right now in favor of corporate interests. The saddest part is that you are probably a working stiff. Pajeets compete for 60k jobs, not 6 figure jobs.

Eat shit and die.

>>57488508
foreign workers shouldn't be allowed to make above the poverty line.

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>ITT: pajeets shit in their pants instead of the streets

Funny innit? Go make India great, we're full.

>>57488225
You need to take classes to get a welding certification if you ever want a real job with it

As for driving you need a cdl pass a dot physical. You may get on the job training but for the avg joe you need to spend money for cdl training

>>57487628
Thats not true at all

Ive worked for firms that open at night just to match open hours in china

Immigrants or not, jobs they do aren't going to "come back" to the locals. If not for them, companies would go harder on automation to reduce the cost. But mark my words THE JOBS AREN'T COMING BACK and immigrants are just the easy targets for politicians and their gullible followers

>>57488225
>He doesn't realize that many skilled trades require both classroom training and apprenticeships that can take years

>>57488602
Hey retard, AI isn't smart enough to do real intellectual work yet and won't be for at least a generation. Go back to /r/politics.

>>57488602

>automating IT work

Piss off, Pajeet. Start packing your bags now.

>>57488386
>>57488336

Do it if you have enough cash to survive rent for a few months before your expenses/income stabilizes. There are definitely openings.

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>>57488630
>>57488648
"Who would want a mechanical horse anyway?"

>>57488764

Not an argument, Pajeet.

>>57488179

That just goes to show that education benefits everybody, as in the society at large and not just the direct recipient of it. Americans should learn this before the next election. (btw i don't mean that the wrong candidate was chosen, just that the american people allowed to be put in the situation with two shitty candidates)
it's not hard to see how the whole world might pay for this mistake.

>>57488267
well everything seems rosy when you start to compare to theocracy such as israel. I don't think that should be anyone's role model

>>57488809

I would support government provided education if we got rid of the gender studies and basket weaving majors. Too many majors do t translate to greater career earnings or job availability.

This is what has caused the surge of student debt and tuition costs after the government began subsidizing student loans.

>>57488853
>theocracy such as israel

You are an idiot.

>>57488302
Do you know how many people live in india? there's bound to be someone talented who will take your job for less. It's not your fault. It's not event their fault, they just want a better life (wouldn't you?). It's just how the system works. I'm not saying it's good, mind you, but the rules are clear, no ones being cheated.

>>57487265
Beautiful - I work as a consultant and seeing so many companies replace thousands of employees at a time with H1B1 is fucked. Hope they get packing.

>>57487628
lol no, please don't talk if you know jack

>>57488317
Their "Universities" just pump them out with a degree and some made up GPA. Then they come to the US to do a Masters at a school here. After that they try to join the workforce, not knowing a fucking thing. Masters is all theory and BS is all practical.

>>57488469
You'd be right if the H1B program was being used for the purpose it was intended, but the problem is that cheap foreign labor is being brought in to do jobs were domestic workers are actually available, but just happen to want higher wages. Worse yet, it's not just new hires that are being passed over for cheaper foreign hires, we've even seem many cases of people being laid off just to be replaced with less qualified foreign workers and in a number of cases the workers being laid off have had to train their foreign replacements in exchange for their severance package.

I'm not even American and this will probably significantly reduce my chances of ever being employed in the U.S, but I can completely understand people who would want to severely restrict if not completely scrap the H1B program to put an end to this abuse of the system.

>>57488922
>no ones being cheated
The American people are because these imported people are working for less than minimum wage.

>>57488271
>>57488290
The election is over, you can stop trolling. I refuse to believe that anyone posting on this board would give that man the power to crush his balls in a vice without a trial and really believed it was a smart move. Same goes for Hillary btw.

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>>57489004
Are you referring to CP and terrorism? Most of us Trumpsters don't do that shit.

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>>57489004

fuck off you berniefag

>>57488946
>Masters is all theory and BS is all practical.
In CS maybe, but in my Comp. Eng. programme we had a mandatory 3/4 term long project course, loads of proper project courses and our master's thesis was to be based on a real software or hardware project (mine was based on GPGPU software for modelling water-based soil erosion that I developed for a soil scientist working for the local natural resource center).

>>57488267
NY have more jew than Israel.
>>57488317

sed 's/Indian/Chinese/g'

Now it's legit.

>>57489044
b-b-buuttt mah free college for my philosophy degree senpai

>>57489069
It sounds like it was practical then if you had projects to work on that sounded you actually developed something instead of spending time understanding and reading theory of computer science ie automata.

>>57487628
Asians working night shift everynight and operation costs like building usage and computers outweight that

>>57487906
First this: >>57488347
Second, when all the best minds, educated elsewhere, where emigrating to the states you had no problem with it. Why the double standard?
Once someone learns something it's his. You cannot take it away from him, no matter how fascist you'll get.
Unless you're a religious fanatic, educating anyone is a net gain for the global population (as in everybody).
You live in the USA i gather. What percentage of your taxes goes to education? What percentage to foreign aid? Wouldn't it be smarter to educate those foreign aid people, so you don't have to invade their countries in a couple of years?

You've got it all backwards, friend.

>>57489106
For me the bachelor's level was the one heaviest on theory with stuff like calculus, statistics, numerical methods, data structures, operating systems (based on Tanenbaum famous book), formal languages and automata. Not that I didn't have any pure theory courses in subjects like distributed and realtime systems on the master's level, but for me at least there was a bigger emphasis on courses where your coursework was in code rather than Hilbert style proofs.

>>57489171

If that were true then we would already see all of IT outsourced. There is definitely alot of value in having people physically together in the same room collaborating on the project.

>>57488443
not the point the anon was making, he just choose poor examples

>>57489219
>Wouldn't it be smarter to educate those foreign aid people, so you don't have to invade their countries in a couple of years?
The United States educated and trained Osama bin Laden and Mohammed Atta, look how expertly they applied the valuable lessons they learned here.

>>57489219
The problem isn't that the best and the brightest of foreign countries are moving to the U.S. After all the H1B program was originally intended for this.

The problem here is that the H1B program is being abused to bring in people who aren't the best or the brightest, but cheap and then to use these people to fill jobs where American workers are actually available.

>>57488455
Just because they are needed doesn't mean they wont be expelled.

>>57487265
None of Trump's big promises will come to fruition.
The wall won't be built because Trump will discover that more Latinos are leaving the US than arriving and farmers will want their cheap labor.
Deportations won't happen, except for a few high-profile cases.
ObamaCare will survive in a slightly modified form.
There's a 500% import duty on Chinese steel already. If Chinese import prices go up US export prices will go down. US firms will go broke trying to compete in the non-US market.

>>57487408
>If I get a degree that puts me in a depressing amount of debt, there's no doubt my employer will compensate for it!

your degree debt has no impact on whether your employer pays you more. I have ONE cert and it pays me 70k a year.

>>57487360
they can get paid less in America but still earn more than in Poo-in-Loo land

>>57488336
>>57488386
Depending on where you go in the government, technology is poor/old in many places.

No matter which area of government you are in, there is a lot of red tape.

If you want to work of the government without having to deal with that, work for a government contractor.

>>57488469
So you're argument is they should earn more? If that's the case, i don't see a problem with your reasoning.
The pajeets should be mandated the same wages that the US workers get, problem solved.


Except no politician in the US would purpose such a thing (including trump)/

>>57488539
So you wouldn't allow Einstein migrating to the states? Or would you just enslave him?
I'm from europe, but the things you amerifats say just baffle me. Should only native americans make living wage? (that would be more just than the thing your proposing)

>>57489453
Einstein was a US citizen, faggot. He spent the last 20 years of his life in the US, he wasn't a stop-gap worker meant to do the job cheaper than an American physicist.

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>>57489371

>Trump will never win, says the increasingly nervous liberal for the 9001th time

>>57487360
>Why don't they just hire them to work in their own countries without bringing them here?
Because most managers like to be able to see their staff (or "reports" as they like to call them) and yell at them.
They also hate travelling for staff meetings and video conferences are the least popular way to conduct such meetings.

>>57489453
He's not talking about highly skilled or talented people moving to the U.S, he's talking about how the H1B program is bring abused to bring in barely competent people to replace better qualified locals for the simple reason that they work for less money. If they had unions or some other way to make sure that they were paid as well as their local counterparts they'd be defeating the reason they were brought into the country in the first place.

Other european (finlandfag) here BTW.

>>57488875
I actually agree with you, education should be education, not some moronic indoctrination. The current situation just shows how fucked the american system is.
Just shows you the people in power do not want smarter citizens. They're motives should be obvious. It's just that the educated part of the USA doesn't fight them(with some notable exceptions) baffles me. You guys should be revolting right now.

>>57489550

I saw a proposal that seemed like a great idea to me: make the minimum wage for H1B workers 120,000usd. This would ensure that only those immigrants will skills absolutely vital to a company are brought over.

>>57489003
So your argument is that you cannot work at the same wages as them? Simple solution: move to where they live. You should be a rich man there with just your allowance, you don't even have to work.
Let me just remind everybody how the usa became a first rate power. it was by selling guns and supplies and lending money to european states during the great wars. Wasn't globalization great then? But now it's cutting into our profits, it's a problem.

>>57488552
yay less smelly pajeets

>>57488946
i'm not american, but what exactly is a GPA? From my lurking the boards i gather it's some exam you take at the end of middle school, or maybe whenever, i don't know.
Why would indians take it? They're education system probably doesn't have that.

>>57487398
>medical treatment
Just make marijuana legal, nobody will need medical treatment anymore. Got shot? Smoke a blunt and it'll stop bleeding. Having a heart attack? Hit the bong, it'll pass. Dying of cancer? Smoking a bowl with your bros is the best way to go out.

>>57489803
google it you faggot

>>57489803

Grade point average. It's an average of your college grades.

>>57488996
There is a simple solution to your problem. Just mandate higher wages for foreign workers.

How do you think your new president sees this proposal?
1.) sensible
2.) not going to work because of complex reasons
3.) unamerican

PS. vote with your wallet (whatever that means)

I do think the H1B program is being abused.

That said what there should be is a database that will include all of the following for each H1B worker

>Original job posting from the company
>The workers job description
>the workers salary
>what city the worker resides in
>the workers skills /resume


Why all of this ? I feel it will add some transparency to the whole thing.
it would be easy to spot abuses, after all why are they paying some H1B worker 30K for a job that typically demands 80K a year
Or the job posting said they required 8 years of experience but hired some H1B worker with only 4 (meanwhile turned down all the Americans with 6)


Just a thought.

>>57487408
~~ Overcome the hate, anon. ~~

>>57488996
>>57489896
Sorry, didn't read to the end of your post, where you say your not american. My bad, I'm drunk on the internet, but my point still stands.
As to you getting a job in the US, why would you want to go there?

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>there isn't enough Americans to fill IT positions memes.
This is the biggest load of garbage I ever heard. People with IT degrees cant find any work in the US.

>>57489896
>>57489968
You probably shouldn't try to have arguments with people when you're drunk and can't even read their stance on issues correctly. I'm obviously talking about this as a problem so your solution suggestion is a tad misplaced.

As for why I'd be interested in working in the U.S, it's for the simple reason that there's a lot of companies who work on a lot of interesting things and I'm the type who considers working on something that interests me more important than that job having the highest wage I can get. However I will have to admit that I'm not top-tier talent and I'm not experienced enough to be able to get a 100k+ a year job as only graduated last summer from my Comp Eng. program.

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>>57489980
>People with IT degrees cant find any work in the US.

Maybe they should apply outside the US.

>>57489319
>Just because they are needed doesn't mean they wont be expelled.
yeah, it actually does, there is a legitimate use of h1 visas for tech labor shortages

>>57488225
Pass a 6G pipe welding test then tell us about how it is to weld. Pipe welders make serious money because few people have the aptitude, skill, patience, vision and coordination to perform those welds in those locations and positions.

>>57490119
I understand your motivation for working in the sates, but can't you find anything worthwhile outside of it? Look at CERN for example. Or the chinese space program or something. Yeah, even the chinese might be better for ya.
Also, i'm even drunker now, and my point still stands. The simplest solution to the problem stated above is to raise the wage of foreign workers in the US. You could benefit from this, if you're smart.

>>57487265
Build the wall
Deport them all

>>57490241
>I understand your motivation for working in the sates
Just get off the internet already and don't come back until you've sobered up... I said that I'd be INTERESTED in working in the U.S if I got an interesting job, not that I'm actually working in the U.S.

Also, do you really think the Chinese are going to hire foreigners or that CERN has all that many openings?

>>57488469
>Doesn't change the fact that workforce is lacking.
>believing this bullshit meme

There is no shortage of programmers. Honestly, there has not been a shortage since the .com bubble burst.

BTW, in most of the tech towns 100K is arguably lower middle class due to cost of living and excessive work+commute hours.

>>57487398
As the wage rises more people will go into these fields
It's a self correcting problem. You don't need slave labor from 3rd world shitholes to fill a artificial and self created "problem"

>>57489371
deportations already happen, Trump just used that as part of his campaign since other candidates just tip topped around it. The media blew this out of proportion, but people get deported everyday already, b.

>The wall won't be built
there's already a wall there and illegal immigrants have a workaround for it already; tunnels. WTF is a new wall gonna do to stop tunnels from being built? trump is just gonna reinforce the wall or whatever and since the immigrants are already leaving, he'll just point at the numbers and say his wall worked


As far as the OP, I'm really glad that they will halt the H1-B visa abuse. It's bullshit that americans are already available to do these jobs, but companies wanna pay low wages so they abuse the system. Hope it comes into effect soon so I can get paid more when I'm done with my degree.

>>57490254
fuck yeah. all these fucking white europeans need to get the fuck off navajo territory.

>>57490301
Enjoying them shinny beads?

>>57488922
>rules = fair

India is being cheated because their talent is fleeing when they need massive infrastructure work to pull themselves out of abject poverty.

America is being cheated because American kids are throwing up their hands and giving up on college and a job search due to greedy corporations importing cheap, desperate labor.

It's time for change. Truly talented Pajeets might not like going back, but their country needs them so the next generation isn't fleeing for other nations out of pure desperation.

>>57487265
>another liberal arts meme
sorry bud, but your major is shit, you're not one of us. you will NEVER BE one of us.
into the trash your resume goes

>>57489371
>Trump will never win the Republican nomination
>Trump will never be president
>Now that Trump is president, he will never do X

t. Increasingly Nervous Pajeet

>>57489371
Ha. You know all those Amnesty programs obammy tried to pull off and illegals signed up for along with all those sanctuary cities that gave illegals ids?
Yeah, now we have their name, address, and them acknowledging that they are breaking the law by being here illegally. Deportation time baby

EzPz

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FUCK THE WHITE MAN MY ASIAN BROTHERS

THE FUTURE BELONGS TO US

WHITES HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN THEY'RE INFERIOR TO US

>>57489980

I did, it was help desk, but its technically IT. I did it for two years between two jobs. Now I work in desktop support, making slightly less money than my last job, but its way better than help desk (call center).

>>57489453
>everyone is Einstein!

No, we should not allow a person with a given IQ/education to migrate here and take the job of an American with the same.

>Should only native americans make living wage?

Draining talent from other countries guarantees that the people who can't leave never achieve a "living wage" while simultaneously undercutting the "living wage" of natives.

I get it. I went to college. Straight A's in my econ courses. Learned the standard globalist / free trade / free movement of peoples line. Guess what? It was a really pretty theory. But observation has proved it wrong.

>>57487416

No because they can't pass the math classes and aren't smart enough to get the certifications. Outsourcing is cheap and effective even if overall quality goes down.

>>57489896
>Just mandate higher wages for foreign workers.
>How do you think your new president sees this proposal?

Didn't he suggest it in one of the debates?

Problem is it's easy to abuse. It's simply to just dismantle H1B and send everyone home.

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I want some indian food now. Fuck indian food is good guys, like seriously good. I had some chicken in this sauce they have and this flatbread they make, and this red chicken, fuggggggggg thank you pajeet.

>>57490312

Muh sides have achieved LEO.

>>57490361
>>57490361
but he's making a fair point. Companies have been using the
>there aren't any qualified wokers here in the US

meme for far too long. Thye're abusing the system by making such shitty excuse when it's far from reality. There are skilled americans ready to the job, but of course a company wants to undercut this by saying there aren't nay and making job listings with ridiculous demands that, magically, only a pajeet can fulfill. This is literally the shit they've been using to pay less money to engineers and developers for the last, what? 10 years or so?

its time it comes to a damn stop.

>>57490361
>degree
>help desk

Exactly. There's no shortage of IT workers in the U.S.

>>57490280
1. Yup, i got it the first time. I don't know why you thought that i thought that you already worked in the US of A, but then it's not my first language, so sorry if i have made an error. But still i recon it is you who (not your first language too, i'd recon) misread what i wrote, and i will hold that theory until proven otherwise.
2. The chinese will hire for the same reason that the USians do. To get talent. Just believe in yourself.
3. Still drunk, and still posting. I don't even bother to post while i'm sober these days. It's just not as fun.

>>57490288
it will correct itself in five years, or more. What will you do in the meantime?

Lower costs benefit customers.

>>57490367
>No because they can't pass the math classes and aren't smart enough to get the certifications.

Yes they can. They're running to nursing because the cost isn't quite as astronomical as becoming a Dr. but it's perceived as a field in need. (It's actually starting to saturate.) Nursing programs typically have higher math requirements than CS/EE programs, with the exception of the truly good schools (i.e. MIT, CalTech, CalPoly, Berkeley).

And nursing is, without question, far more difficult than the stupid cert programs or the universities in Mumbai.

Don't tell me ALL the millennials who are out of work can't into math. Some of them, yes, but many of them would put in the effort if they thought there was a stable, secure career at the end.

Understand that outside of the valley echo chamber NOBODY believes that CS/EE is a good career path. Everyone rightly believes it's a field flooded by foreigners. Indian parents push their kids into IT and our proud of it. "My son Pajeet works at Microsoft!" Upper middle class white parents snicker at this and push their kids into medicine or finance because they think IT is a fucking joke.

>>57490298
Why can't you just mandate fair wages to foreign workers? Wouldn't that solve your problem?

>>57487398
I've never had an Indian doctor. If I have one, I will look for another one. The thought of some dookie encrusted hands of an Indian touching me is seriously making me vomit in my mouth a little.

>>57490505
Until no one has a job that is. In which case no one would then be able to buy anything

>>57490519
>Nursing programs typically have higher math requirements than CS/EE programs
I seriously doubt that.

>>57490519
Price controls are a symptom of a problem not the solution to one.

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>>57489219
Actually a very small percentage goes to foreign aid, despite what the media has you believe.

whoops
meant this >>57490519 for >>57490516

>>57490301
I agree, although I don't live in the states. But we don't want them back here in Europe. Send them to Australia or something, thx.

>>57490505
Software costs nothing to 90% of people you dumbass faggot.

>>57490505
Having and relying on slave labor isn't good for a society

>>57490551
Yeah theres no way that many of these women in nursing passed their math class.

>>57490373
>that pajeet playing solitaire

Also, I think you had roti chanai but Ive never tried it yet

>>57490551

I've watched younger friends go through both. I guarantee it.

Again, with the exception of the truly good schools.

>>57490316
So what do you propose as a solution to this problem?

>>57490551
>>57490589

My gf is doing nursing now. Can confirm that they only require college algebra and one more math higher than that.

>>57490551
Nurses take matrix algebra, numerical analysis, and two quarters of diff eq. Idk about your shitty school.

>>57490569
It would work except it's too easy to abuse. In each individual case someone has to sue and prove to a court what the prevailing wage is. Pajeet is not going to sue an employer who can cancel his visa and send him back.

Easier to just dismantle the program.

>>57490589
Dude, math requirements for CS at your average college are now crap.

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>>57490616

>>57490339
You're totally right.It's time to sing and dance while your economy collapses.

>>57490624
CS majors have to take math up to discrete mathematics, which means they have to have done the calculus series and perhaps differential eqs. + linear algebra. So no, you're full of shit.

>>57490634
>Our economy is totally reliant on h1b visas
Pajeets are literally this delusional.

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>>57490630

>>57490595

yeah that was it, really tasty. Tastes even better dipping in the sauces.

>>57490616
get the fuck outta here nigga, I've never seen any bio majors in differential equations classes OR linear algebra, so what are you one about nursing needing all that? lmao stop bigging up yourself with these lies.

If you forreals, post your schedule senpai str8 up

>>57490605

Terminate the H1B visa program. Send them home.

When U6 unemployment (12.8% according to Gallup) falls below a certain level then open a better version of the program that is very limited in number and closes the loopholes. The limited number is as much about protecting other countries from the negative impact of brain drain as it is protecting our native workforce.

But it has to be iron clad. Officers of any company pulling a Disney or an Edison should face jail time.

>>57490603
there's literally no point to do nursing if you have to do all that then, you're practially ready to start upper division courses in an engineering field.

>>57490657
I'm pretty sure you'er going to some really shitty school if math requirements stop at differential equations because I went further than that during my undergrad program and I did Comp. Eng.

>>57490657
Better brush up on requirements at shit schools.

Also: something you should already be aware of is that two schools can have the same requirements yet one school lets you slide while another kicks your ass. There's a lot of sliding going on today. I've seen it first hand.

>>57490692
I don't think you realize just how hard nursing actually is.

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>>57490692
>he thinks there are more engineering jobs than nursing jobs

>>57490366

>No, we should not allow a person with a given IQ/education to migrate here and take the job of an American with the same.
Why not? Because he is cheaper? What if he got the same wage as native workers? wouldn't that be fair?
>Draining talent from other countries guarantees that the people who can't leave never achieve a "living wage" while simultaneously undercutting the "living wage" of natives.

So is 'draining talent' good or bad? It seemed to work out for the USA during and after the World Wars. Why would be bad for them now?

>>57487265
I'm all for giving Americans the jobs over foreigners if there were a shortage of jobs. But that isn't the case, there were an additional 300000 stem jobs in 2016 with only an additional 30000 graduates in stem fields. Most of them were here on student visas too. If you don't like it than work hard and earn a stem degree. How many of you have degrees in engineering and other sciences? You can discredit university degrees all you want but big companies will very rarely hire you without one.

>>57487527
>hasn't graduated
>doesn't have a job
>pajeet confirmed.
Go away.

>>57490779
>>No, we should not allow a person with a given IQ/education to migrate here and take the job of an American with the same.
>Why not?

Because it's disruptive to both countries. At higher levels it leads to social instability.

You don't think Trump won because everything is just peachy, do you?

>So is 'draining talent' good or bad?

Bad.

>It seemed to work out for the USA during and after the World Wars. Why would be bad for them now?

False analogy. We were grabbing accomplished German scientists because of their expertise in specific fields related to war. They were not only the top 1/10th of 1% in terms of IQ, they had years of experience that didn't exist any where else in the world at the time.

That's not what's happening with H1B.

>>57490603
I have no idea what you're talking about. They don't even have to take Calculus here in BC and they don't even know what linear algebra is.

>>57490808
If you actually read his post properly you'd figure out that he's not a street shitter, just someone who doesn't want street shitters shitting down his employment prospects by working for peanuts.

>>57489980
Maybe you're just shit at it

>>57490794
Show these 300,000 STEM jobs.

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>>57490616

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I work in game developement and 90% of our staff are Indian, Czech or Nigerian. Good people.

I think the few bad companies don't represent the majority.

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>>57490852

>90% of our staff was Indian, Czech, or Nigerian

ftfy

>>57490372
How is it easy to abuse? If a foreign worker costs the same as a native one plus the cost of moving and/or training and has worse language skills, how would a company turn this to their advantage?
If the laws are written clearly. it would solve the problem once and for all.
It's just that you americans had rulers that bowed to corporate interest for too long to see that it can be otherwise.

>>57487265
>implying Americans exist who possess the technical skill-set of the average pajeet. The reason pajeets have those jobs is because American public education sucks and there are no Americans with the technical know-how necessary to fill those positions with American born US citizens.

Before you kick all of us out of your country, perhaps you might want to actually train US citizens to do our job first. They currently don't know how.

>>57490794
>But that isn't the case, there were an additional 300000 stem jobs in 2016 with only an additional 30000 graduates in stem fields.

LOL sauce? Every report I've seen says the opposite.

>You can discredit university degrees all you want but big companies will very rarely hire you without one.

In a field where the full coursework from multiple colleges is available online, that means there's not a shortage.

I'll go one step further: I've told a younger relative to not even think about IT unless he can graduate from one of the top schools. A degree from MIT or CalTech means something. A degree from a UC (other than Berkeley) means shit. You're just another one of a thousand applicants, and management is thinking of outsourcing the whole operation any way.

>>57490835
Go away pajeet, you and your hombre can go back to your shitty country of origin.
>not educated
>complaning about job oppurtunities

>>57490852
Go develop games in Nigeria if you aren't willing to pay the full price of American wages. You'll love it there. It's 100% diverse.

>>57490917
Gupta, if you could actually look at the screen for 5 seconds after your shift ends at the call center, you would realize that he's not LOOKING for a job you moron, he's trying to protect his prospects.

>>57490917
>"Go away pajeet"
For the record, I'm Finnish, so I'm about as white as it gets really... The other guy is obviously still in education as he talked about how he's going graduating next year.

Seriously, just fuck off until you've sobered up.

>>57490962
>in another cuntry
>telling a true american what to do
Like i said you slacking sacks of shit, go away.

>>57490892
>How is it easy to abuse?

No government agency will commit manpower to enforce it. It will only be enforced if an employee sues. And since there's no tried and true formula to determine the prevailing wage for a skill set/location, the lawsuit will be tough. What makes you think Pajeet will do this?

Disney and Edison...the two recent cases Trump discussed...BOTH blatantly violated existing US law. No one was prosecuted. No injunction was granted. Nothing stopped them. They might lose a lawsuit which will erase the savings of 1 year of their crime. (If you could rob a bank and your only punishment was a fine worth 10% the money you took, wouldn't you do it?)

People need to learn that laws which are difficult to enforce are worse than no laws at all. Just scrap the damn program.

>If the laws are written clearly. it would solve the problem once and for all.

You assume "clearly written" = "can be enforced." It does not.

>>57490505
Lower costs benefit mostly companies, unless you're in a competitive market. There's none of that when all the lawmakers are bought by the companies. Who pays for the campaigns?

>>57490950
>protecting something you don't have any true claim to
>muh 'muerika!

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>>57490898
As if most Pajeets step off the plane with the skills needed to do their jobs. They acquire them either in formal training from their employers or informally on the job. Unlike Americans, the fact that they're on a visa means employers don't have to worry as much about them jumping ship to a better offer as soon as they pick up some skills. But don't pretend there aren't millions of young analytically-minded Americans who are working shitty jobs who could do the same work after a few months of experience.

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>>57490946

Our startup's founder is Nigerian and we're based in London, not America.

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>>57491015
>don't have any true claim to

Try and take it from us and you'll find out how true the claim is.

>>57491053
So you were off topic shitposting then? Great.

>>57490568
Where did you get that chart? It doesn't look right, can I ask for the source?

>>57491049

AMERICANS DON'T WANT TO WORK

THEY ALSO THINK THEY DESERVE HIGH SALARIES FROM DAY 1

>>57489069
Exception to the rule. Most Masters are purely theoretical with absolutely no prep for a work environment. People graduating from them are not workplace material.

>>57490569
Don't drink and drive.

>>57491015

If I have no claim on jobs offered in my country then I guess I have no obligation to pay my taxes either.

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>>57491092
You lost Soros. Go away.

>>57490676
You recon the companies will start hiring, instead of moving? Why?

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>>57491073

No, we also have an office in New York, Lagos and Czech Republic and the demographics is about the same in all our locations. If we were forced to hire more Americans we would essentially close our American operations and just keep a shell company there.

>>57490664
It's not you fatasses with macbooks who make the GDP, that much i can tell you.

>>57490892
It doesn't cost the same to hire a pajeet bro. Its substantially cheapre, otherwise companies would just look at the american market before looking for foreign workers.

American companies just reach out to indian companies that make contracts with these pajeets which probably include how much they will have to pay back while working in the states and god knows what else (since they don't have as many rights as an american worker).

>>57491144
Why should middle America give a shit if you close? You pay next to no tax and you suppress wages. Go ahead and fuck off.

>>57489219
>Unless you're a religious fanatic, educating anyone is a net gain for the global population (as in everybody).
The wealth will trickle down?

>>57490480
long term solution >>> short term bandaid fix

Pay everyone who is doing the same job to the same quality the same amount, regardless of origin or citizenship. This seems to satisfy the xenophobes and the "liberals", and the leftists like me who don't think that near-unrestricted immigration policies are good for society.

Bring down capitalism and you bring down the "they took our jerbs!" phenomenon.

>>57488267
>yfw you realize that globalism and bringing foreign workers into white countries is just another way to diminish the role of the white man/women in their own societies

>people actually believe this
Jew be keepin' me down! Corruptin' muh society!

>>57489044
>that image
What a stupid image. It's perfectly fine not to support either major candidate or none at all. If you don't agree with someone, why support them? Some people have higher standards for agreement than others. And it's also fine to point out what you disagree with with each candidate.

>>57490301
Ah cool. My great grand dad was Native American. I vote that the whites stay but the Indians and Mexicans get out.

>>57489241
I'm in eastern EU, and our company consistently keeps getting new clients outsourcing their IT infrastructure. I'm only a L3 engineer, but even for the short time I worked here, the amount of clients pretty much doubled. Mostly from the US and western EU.

>>57491060
>str8 outta high skewl
"I'll fuck you! I'll fuck you hard for having a job and that i have 0 experience."
Come at me fuckboy!

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>>57491166

We pay lots of tax that we don't have to. Unlike companies like Apple, we don't have the facilities to avoid taxation.

>>57491208
>We pay lots of tax

No you don't. Corporate tax rates are low, and Trump is going to drop them even more.

Get out if you don't want to support the society that buys your products.

>>57487265
There's literally nothing wrong with hiring low wage pajeets. It's called capitalism.

>>57490822
So after the war you stopped draining talent? It was only pure american scientists with born-in-america parents? No immigrants? really? What bubble do you live in?

>>57491250
Immigration was extremely strict before 1965.

>>57491247
There's literally nothing wrong with dumping toxic waste in rivers. It's called capitalism.

>>57491144
You work for an indie game developer that is staffed by Nigerians, Indians, and Czechs, large enough to have four international offices, but are smalltime enough that nobody knows offhand the multinational game company made up entirely of minorities. Anon, you don't need to make shit up on the internet.

>>57491247
>>57491263
The issue is that people are attacking immigration policies rather than the root of the problem which is capitalism. It's like band-aids on a guy who's been disembowelled. And the problems keep coming back again and again.

The xenophobes and racist ought to support bringing down capitalism, just as us leftists do. Why don't they? They have their xenophobic motivations to.

>>57488225
>and a lot of knowledge and experience before you actually get to work + on the job training
It sure would be great if people could get that experience by getting fucking hired.

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>>57491277
"Capitalism" is used in a loosely-defined way and isn't a problem per se. All else being equal, I quite prefer prosperity to the alternative and the West's economic system over the past 200 years has been unsurpassed at delivering prosperity. The issue is reducing human value to the amount of widgets produced, of which Communist ideologies are just as guilty as based Evola points out.

>>57491192
Go back to the reservation red nigger halfbreed.

>>57491131
>You recon the companies will start hiring, instead of moving? Why?

Tariffs.

>>57491191
>Pay everyone who is doing the same job to the same quality the same amount, regardless of origin or citizenship.

No way to enforce this. Part of the problem with Americans in general and liberals in particular is that they believe if you write down a law it magically works. (See: gun control.) It does not. Ask anyone fired from Disney.

>>57491337
IT'S TIME FOR A CONSERVATIVE REVOLUTION!

I work with pajeets and they are scared as fuck. I'm all for stopping the import of new h1s but I hope they don't start sending them home, that'd be pretty bad for a lot of companies.

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>>57487265
not even in the white house yet and already making america great again

>>57491337
Capitalism necessarily entails worker exploitation and logically entails disregard for the environment for as long as the company can afford to do it without losing profit. This is destructive for people in any country and humans as a whole, not only right now (especially for the poor) but in future due to environmental damage.

The idea that these "muh race" people can be against "race" mixing but against dismantling capitalism is truly beyond me.

>>57491420
The idea that laws are ineffective and thus do not merit implementation is a bad one, because the threat of large loss of money or reputation or power is enough to deter people. The problem is that the penalties aren't sufficient.

Nobody, not even the liberal boogeyman believes that simply making laws prevents action against them. They generally act as deterrents, and with a big enough penalty, can be sufficient to encourage reduction of bad behaviour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

>>57490852
Is it just me, or does David Duke look like Luke Skywalker after having fallen to the Dark Side?

>>57491484
Capitalism wasn't a nation wrecker in the Keynesian era. Cut it out with the Marxism.

>>57490993
>No government agency will commit manpower to enforce it.
Maybe that's your problem, the government not willing to enforce the law that are not beneficial to corporations. That's kinda systemic flaw, but it can be fixed with enough social pressure. (Heck, you americans don't shy from war right? even a civil one?)


>It will only be enforced if an employee sues.
What employee would sue if he doesn't know the salary of his coworkers? Maybe hes the lucky one. Your culture of competition only for workers sets the stage even before any discussion can be had.


> And since there's no tried and true formula to determine the prevailing wage for a skill set/location, the lawsuit will be tough.
Government agencies can very easily verify if the laws are followed, especially when it comes to large corporations. Not so much when it comes to civil lawsuits, at least in my country. Is it any diffrent in the USA? If so why? It's obvious that large organizations leave more paper trail.

> What makes you think Pajeet will do this?
That's the point, they want to work cheaper. Don't rely on them to enforce this.

>Disney and Edison...the two recent cases Trump discussed...BOTH blatantly violated existing US law. No one was prosecuted. No injunction was granted. Nothing stopped them. They might lose a lawsuit which will erase the savings of 1 year of their crime. (If you could rob a bank and your only punishment was a fine worth 10% the money you took, wouldn't you do it?)
If your government doesn't enforce the laws of the land, the ones to blame is the ones who just want to make a living?

>People need to learn that laws which are difficult to enforce are worse than no laws at all. Just scrap the damn program.
Except this would be not hard to enforce. Similar laws are in place in some eurpean countries, and there is no problem enforcing them. It's just a question of will.

>>57489004
you are just on the wrong side of history :)

>>57491082
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/17/facebook-posts/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/

>>57491654
I strongly suggest you read this instead of mindless drivel:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2015/assets/budget.pdf

>>57491355
When China is already the biggest market, and india will soon be the second? Which tariffs are you talking about?

>>57491162
Yeah, that was kinda my point. If pajeets costed the same amount as americans, there would be no problem.
except that:
1. US government would never pass meaningful legislation to do this, because it's not in the interest of their sponsors
2. American workers would cry about the free market, against their self interest, because they've been indoctrinated
3. It's unamerican to do anything rational
4. ???
5. Profit

>>57491484
>The idea that laws are ineffective and thus do not merit implementation is a bad one,
Some laws are ineffective as written. Other laws can never be effective. "Pay prevailing wage" laws work when it's gov contracts and powerful politicians or unions have incentive to report and sue. It will NOT work when importing Pajeet.

>The problem is that the penalties aren't sufficient.
No, the problem will be that any accusation will have to be fought in court because the company will claim their pay IS prevailing wage.

>>57491506
>cannot unsee

>>57491513
>Maybe that's your problem, the government not willing to enforce the law that are not beneficial to corporations.
That's a logistics problem in a country with a $20T deficit. We can't enforce laws against shit like murder in some cities. Maybe if we ended the drug war completely and redirected all drug enforcement resources.

>What employee would sue if he doesn't know the salary of his coworkers?
EXACTLY

>Government agencies can very easily verify if the laws are followed,
Did you miss this part? "no tried and true formula to determine the prevailing wage for a skill set/location"

>Except this would be not hard to enforce. Similar laws are in place in some eurpean countries,
We're not Europe. We have a legal tradition of twisting, misinterpreting, and generally fucking over the written law for any and every purpose.

>>57491182
nope, no wealth will trickle down. It's just the masses that decide your fate come election time will be less moronic.

>>57491420
If they can monitor and stop anyone from coming in to work, they can also monitor and enforce that they do not work below market wages.
Every business has to detailed books regardless, for tax reasons it's trivial to check if you're the government. It's easily enforceable to give foreign workers US market wages. It's just not in the interest of anyone in power.

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>Whether you're a Bernie socialist or a Trump alt-rightist, Neoliberalism is dying

>>57491260
So only the talent could get in. How is that against my point?

>>57491268
How are Nigerians a minority in Nigeria? Or Czechs in the Czech Republic? Are you a mentally impaired person? What is the meaning of life? Why am I posting here?
I really don't know.

>>57487398
>No, they just happen to be more qualified than you, and there aren't enough American workers to fill these positions.
The missing caveat is "for the lowballed as fuck salary being offered"

>>57490288
H1Bs are what they chose INSTEAD of wage rising.

>Hey Bossman, nobody is accepting the job with this salary, should we offer higher wages?
>No, we will hire workers from India who will work for even less than what we're offering now!

>>57491337
1. There was no single western economic system over the last 200 years.
2. Which country is more capitalistic: Norway, or the USA?
3. Which country is more capitalistic: the USA, or China (hint: it's not the USA, it's got more worker protections, more safety regulations etc.)
4, Which country would you prefer to live in?

>>57490519
Because unfair wages are exactly the reason companies hire H1Bs in the first place.

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>>57492280
Enough with the pedantry. You and everyone else knew exactly what I meant. I'm writing a brief post, not a journal article I'm submitting for publication where precise language is required. Posts are written to communicate ideas and we all have a limited amount of time to write them, so you should interpret what the author means as best you can deduce and respond accordingly instead of nitpicking minor points or arguing semantics. Again, "capitalistic" is always loosely-defined, and "the West's economic system" is a very broad term as well which includes the items you referenced and others which ostensibly are designed to correct market failures, and it encompasses everything from the American agrarian economy of the early 19th century to late 20th century Scandinavian high social spending economies to Japan's industrialization. At it's heart, what I mean by "West's economic system" is maximizing economic freedom subject to a small number of constraints imposed by the government for social welfare reasons (Scandinavian countries actually have very high economic freedom, e.g. ease of starting a business, despite the high tax rate). Any educated person reading this in good faith would have understood this, yet you chose pedantry. Shame.

alert("Hello, Jobs!")

>>57491277
I want to make a boatload of money and going from neet to employed in Silicon Valley is the first step.

This sounds like a solution to me.

>>57488448
>This
Medical malpractice kills more people in the US than gun violence.

Pajeet doctors who don't wash their hands after taking their poo to the loo are literally one of the most dangerous things in the US.

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>>57492263
>The missing caveat is "for the lowballed as fuck salary being offered"

Also because they work 16 hours a day and if they get fired they have 10 days or less to vacate the county. Fuck all street shitters.

Companies literally create shell companies for you to essentially by an H1B1. Own a ton of shell then apply for a shit load of H1B1 - get a few and profit.

alert("Hello, Jobs")

Just started reading:

>Aaron Levie, chief executive of cloud computing company Box, said seeing Mr Trump win had been “incredibly stressful” and “painful” for many in Silicon Valley who support greater equality.
The fastest growing economy in the world isn't focused on 'greater equality' or anything other than 'China dominance'. With our economy in the tank - largely due to debt we owe them - maybe it's time we start focusing our efforts locally and quit trying to be the patrons of the world.

>But amid a feeling of bewildered detachment from the rest of the US
Hillary won the popular election by 300k votes. What are they talking about?

>>57490852
If they're citizens, who cares?

>>57489721
>Wasn't globalization great then? But now it's cutting into our profits, it's a problem.

>Hey, didn't it feel good when you were fucking that girl back then? Yeah? So why are you complaining about getting fucked fucked in the ass now?

Are you retarded?

>>57491431
Those companies should just hire Americans.

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>>57493294

Americans can't do the jobs. Indians come over, do their Masters degrees and come out top of their class. That's how they get jobs over lazy Americans.

>>57493398
get those filthy niggers out of america

>>57487527
>hasnt even graduated and already knows the isnt good enough to get a job

Sounds like you just suck m8

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>>57493443

You have two choices: India or a FEMA camp. Pick one.

>>57493457
Nah cracka. I'm all american.

I just happen to have marketable skills. Unlike you apparently.

>>57487398
Literally untrue
https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/whd/whd20160503

"The department’s Wage and Hour Division investigators determined that BiTMICRO Networks, Inc. in Fremont brought computer engineers from its subsidiary in the Philippines to work in the U.S. and then paid them the same wages they earned in the Philippines, in pesos, ignoring legally required U.S. wage rates. Some workers received as little as the equivalent of $1.66 per hour, in Philippine pesos, and received no overtime pay when they routinely worked an average of 57 hours per week."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html?_r=0

"Instead, about 250 Disney employees were told in late October that they would be laid off. Many of their jobs were transferred to immigrants on temporary visas for highly skilled technical workers, who were brought in by an outsourcing firm based in India. Over the next three months, some Disney employees were required to train their replacements to do the jobs they had lost."

This is great! Finally we're getting back on track. People had no job security in this field. The jobs were shipped to India, usually. It's crucial at this point for us to take back jobs in this field.

Remember, there's even a push to get more people into programming. Due to automation and technology ruling our lives, we need programmers. Now there is a place for them to go instead of being told they were replaced by India.

Am I understanding this right? Isn't this amazing news?

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>>57493463
>Nah cracka.

The days of you being able to say anti-white shit in public are over.

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>>57493481
u

>>57493489
South Asian immigration is the only reason incest still happens in first world countries. Nice meme though. Did a kike comedian teach you that one?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html

Pajeets are shitting out retards from fucking their cousins after coming here on H1B visas.

>To make their case for highly-skilled immigration, technology companies may end up turning to the one immigrant to Silicon Valley they know has Mr Trump’s ear: German-born Mr Thiel.

What I love about Thiel is his American nationalism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob-LJqPQEJ4
In this video he mentions that Japan got to where it is today by fervently copying the US. He says that Japan has largely stopped copying us; that we may be becoming not worth copying.

He is the only person in the political sector to my knowledge that would address this as a negative. He'll do what's best for America.
>>57489721
America has paved the way by doing its best to become a walled garden. You can see this in everything from Hollywood to our measuring system.

If trading for profit was a signal of globalism in it's current form then you'd be wrong.

See:
>>57493105
>The fastest growing economy in the world isn't focused on 'greater equality' or anything other than 'China dominance'. With our economy in the tank - largely due to debt we owe them - maybe it's time we start focusing our efforts locally and quit trying to be the patrons of the world.

America first. Also, I don't think there are many companies valuable enough to have global international locations that are willing to sacrifice the intangibles of being located in an American tech hub, specifically the valley.

The argument is for entrepreneurs, meaning startups but I think that any startup hiring significant non-US educated H1-B indians is doomed to fail anyway.

>>57493500
>he doesnt know about Appalachia

>>57493500
Earlier today I was asking myself if Jack Ma looks like that because of incest. He's still managing to generate a return though.

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>>57493500
>t. inbred redneck
LMFAO shouldn't you be kissing your cousin sister right now?

>>57488317
>>57488335
>>57488352
>>57488367
indian immigrants are lumped in with asians, distorting their IQ

I've met tons of indians and most are subhuman. I've met a bunch of really decent ones too. They have a caste system and you don't want to live with low caste indians. indians are very rapey

>>57493608
I've heard this as well.

I'm generally a pretty huge faggot when it comes to sj shit, but I wont even fucking touch india man.

Fuck those shitlords.

>>57493471
I'm with you, shit just made my day.

>>57493587
Nice meme

>>57487398
Make pajeets cost the exact same as an American and we'll see who's qualified for what.

>>57487500
You have no regard for your own country do you?
I'm one of America's 'lost boys'
https://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2016/08/americas-lost-boys
Which I'm sure everyone here can at least relate to. I was disenchanted in HS. I essentially got kicked out and went to independent study where I earned enough credits in a short amount of time to get a summer in the middle of the semester. My school district only allowed you to earn so many a year, and I don't work well in that environment. I went to JC instead of having a senior year and that was equally shit. I dropped out.

I am now 24 and trying to crawl my way out of neetdom and into the middle class via learning software engineering. Whether or not I'd be able to get a job regardless, reserving a job for an American where an immigrant would otherwise be employed puts a smile on my face, and it should put a smile on yours.

This way of doing things, which I hope will be done with a heavy hand, leads to things like innovation in the education sector. We should be able to fill our own labor needs. Period.

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>>57493646
ayy lmao he mad

>>57493471
Americans are too stupid to do such jobs and that's why the jobs are outsourced to better people in other countries. All getting rid of H1B1 will accomplish is forcing companies to relocate overseas because dumb, redneck, inbred, racist, xenophobic, small-dick, AmeriKKKans are barely qualified to clean shit off streets.

>>57493587
It's sister cousin*

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>>57493692
Oh sorry

How much of the not enough skilled workers domestic so they import foreign workers thing is true? Is it that, or because they want cheaper workers

>tfw immigrant
>tfw naturalized citizen
>tfw you feel angered at h1-b visas being abused to underpay american's, which in turn will affect my wages in the tech industry

idk how to feel. I see the hypocrisy, but...


>>57493686
truly talented idividuals will get an H1-B visa without much trouble. However, handing gout h1-b's like candy is angering and you can cry racism or xenophobia or whateve fits your bill, but that shit is wrong as americans should come first in the job market and american companies have been scewing over the people they should be prioritizing for a good while now.

If these individuals were so talented, then why is it that the americans that they come to replace have to teach them everything?c'mon now...

subtle /pol/ thread

>However, some are optimistic that Mr Trump will not follow through on his rhetoric and that his business sense will prevail. Mr Wadwha said Silicon Valley has a “dire shortage” of skilled talent, beyond just ordinary software engineers, in emerging areas such as artificial intelligence, sensors and robotics.

We have plenty of computer science and computer engineering majors who are having trouble finding jobs. It's not that you they can't find the talent, but rather, they don't want to hire the talent here.

>>57493746
>subtle

>>57487398
Literally this.
You can see just from all the triggered responses this post got how true this statement is.
Companies want the most talent they can get, and right now it just so happens to be that on average, Asians are providing the most talent.
It really isn't a surprise either, if you spend a out 10 seconds thinking about it. Modern American culture encourages sex, drugs, and materialistic goods, while Asian cultures place a high emphasis on education and respect. It's quite obvious that they will turn about better than the average Joe that is raised here.

>>57493754
>rather, they don't want to hire the talent here.
>"""talent"""

https://blog.codinghorror.com/why-cant-programmers-program/

>>57493728
but what? we must be so well off we can afford to just give up some of our livelihood to foreigners?

please, come see how i live and tell me how i can afford to give away things for free

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>>57493810
>Asian cultures place a high emphasis on education and respect
not my experience

t. """asian"""

>>57493816
This just feels too fake. How can you get all the way to a degree and not write a fizzbuzz

>>57493835
>Not my experience
Gee whiz you really got me there senpai! How about actually saying something substantial to prove your point.

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Americans can't do the jobs.

Indians come over, do their Masters degrees and come out top of their class.

That's how they get jobs over lazy Americans.

At work Indians put in extra effort, get promoted.

White boys can't deal.

Indian shows leadership and creative thinking, made CEO, company profits increase.

Whites can't compete.

>>57493844

Most college CS degree programs suck.

>>57493705
>Those stupid fat rednecks voted for Trump
>Ugh, why won't all those stupid fat rednecks listen to us?
>Don't all those stupid fat rednecks know we have their best interests in mind?
>Hey, stop being such a stupid, fat, redneck!
>Hey, do you realise how stupid, fat, and redneck you sound right now?
>I have a degree in liberal arts from a state university, what do you have your degree in, you stupid fat redneck? Tractor racing?
>Don't you stupid fat rednecks know that tumblr and liberal owned media like CNN, MSNBC, and facebook are all saying that trump is LITERALLY (((HITLER)))?
>Those stupid fat rednecks voted for Drumpf! (((DRUMPF!!!)))
>DRUMPF is going to DESTROY LGBT rights! The TV called him a Racist! When will you STUPID. FAT. REDNECKS get it?

>>57493844
I interview a lot of programmers and I immediately know an Indian with a degree from India and masters in US will not be able to code. Literally asking me how to make a class when they right Java on their resume.

>>57493820
>da gubbermint should make sure that i have a job even though i clearly lack any skills needed by the economy

>>57493844
You'd be surprised. There was an article passed around here a year ago written by a web developer angry that a company passed over them because they didn't know what the modulo operator was.

>>57487265
>getting rid of H1-B visas
The one silver lining in this election

>inb4 shillary
Tech stocks plummeted, mmkay. even wall street knows that trump is a tech illiterate monkey when it comes to anything computer technology.

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>>57493870

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>>57493888
Baron will save us. He's great with computers.

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>>57493888
>Tech stocks plummeted, mmkay.
they're back up.

they were back up 10 minutes later, but your liberal owned media sources wouldn't report that, would they? doesn't fit their propaganda screen that trump is literally hitler, and not just a centerist

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>>57493881
Aww redneck getting mad isn't he hehehehe

>>57493882
Where are these places where people are this incompetent. I could land a job easy then.

>>57493884
Well I don't find that too bad. I don't know my technical terms well, I had a interview where they asked me what a record was and I said I didn't know, but when I got home I realized it was just a row in a table which I definitely know but I never called them records

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74TFS8r_SMI

who else bumping this for the next 8 years

>>57493904
you think you know trump but you never met the kid

>implying anything will happen with the H1-B program

Less competition would be nice, but I'll believe it when I see it. There's just too much in the way of corporate support for worker visa programs. Even if Trump tries, I doubt anyone in Congress, Republican or Democrat, will go along with him.

>>57493917
NYC
doesn't mean we simply hire someone who is marginally better

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>>57493899
>>57493898
This does not look like a healthy index.

When Trump takes office, there will be another plunge in this sector, screencap this if you want.

>>57493941
he's got a dream team congress and he's replacing corporate shills with his own team who can't be bought, because it includes some of his family senpai

>>57493952
wew 5 day historical data

really made me think

>>57493746
subtle butthurt pajeet

>>57493963
>I believe the election is on the 26th

>>57493952
you know... besides the tail end of it... also learn to read fucking graphs dumbass. we are only taking a 30 point difference. Pretty healthy to me.

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>>57493952
looks terrible, doesn't it?

>implying the president has any influence over the stock market

>>57493746
/pol/ isn't that bad. At least there they acknowledge the good aryan indians who stay in india or don't cause shit outside of that shithole. But if you're a dalit then you get deleted.

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>>57493980
here's the same data, in perspective

the last 6 months. economy is fine. not because of obama, not because of trump. because america. and it's only going to become greater, again

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>>57493986


now shut up, sjw libcuck

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>>57493980
>>57493977
>Here you can see the butthurt trump supporters in denial
>Look at that, he's shitposting outside of /pol/

>>57493993
What happened in 2000?

>rednecks

A well adjusted and educated white person isn't allowed to hate on pajeet?

Indians are the literal shit tier race. They will forever the outsiders wherever they go.

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>>57493952
>a logarithm is the same as a linear graph

>>57494002
turns out the curve was not a line. in other words, it was not going to continue forever.

get a real education. go to school for mathematics.

>>57490700
This so much. I've taken Diff EQ and talked about it with people from two other schools. One clearly had it way more difficult than me, and the other had it way easier. The guy who had it worse went to a much harder school and so his degree is more valuable, but the guy who had it easier went to a school as good as mine.

So does this mean its safe for me to pursue CS as a career or will the pajeets continue to flood the market?

>>57494959
Pajeets are going to be deported. Nadella on suicide watch.

>>57487398
>more qualified
If working cheaper is a qualification youre right

>>57488443
>welding takes a lot of fucking skill
No it doesn't dumbass, unless you're complete retard you can do just fine with 0 skills, it's a menial job anyone can do.
>>57491295
Not really, that experience can be gained by writing your own projects and getting involved in open source projects, that's what the employer wants to see.

>>57487265
hi programmer and sysadmin here for a fortune 500.
We just signed on 100 mexican workers to use cheap labor to scale with a major US outloet retailer (huge).
After working with mexicans, fuck them. They dont know shit, are disrespectful, lazy, and I can't wait to see them go to give some good americans jobs.
For the record we lost shit tons of money.

>>57491215
>Muh tax rates.
It's not the corporate tax rates that are the problem, it's the fact that they can just dodge most of the tax through loopholes.

>>57496320
* lost money on the mexico investments.*

Most joined into the operations then left after two weeks because we wouldnt pay for their college.

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>>57487712
>mfw working for a mid size defense contractor
>mfw not a single pajeet in the whole fucking company, 1500 people