Guts Thread

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>>57479530
Fellow noctua fag.

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Built this a couple weeks ago, i5 6500, 8gb rx 480, 8gb DDR4

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sure

>>57479663
What are the 2 different gpus for?

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r8 my rig gee

>>57479721
The weaker one is probably physx.

>>57479774
Isn't that horribly optimized? I've seen tests where they have a very powerful card just dedicated to physx, like 2 1070's but one is physx and it ends up performing basically equal and sometimes worse than just a single card

>>57479796
Maybe. But he probably already had the weaker one, so there's nothing to lose really.

>all these poo fans

>>57480086
These poo fans last pretty long.

>>57479734
>all those HDDs
>that SSD floating in the middle of nowhere
>all those cables

Jesus, do some cable management. Nice cpu cooler though

>>57479822
Except performance??

>>57480131
They also have the best warranties and I've never read of people returning them.

>>57480591
He's not using physx he's using GPU pass through for his VM.

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>inb4 reference card
>inb4 cable management

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>>57479574
Get some cable combs faggot.
But for reals, that's a nice looking system. The noctua not color matching is triggering me but I think that you wanted that, so kudos. Slight GPU sag though.
>>57479586
Wasted $35 on a cooler with the 6500 but otherwise perfect choice of specs. Tidy them cables in the top right a bit. Good build.
Also:
>Wifi
>Desktop
Get Ethernet by any means necessary it's such a better experience. I think a wifi card in mine but I got Ethernet hooked up about 3 weeks ago and my life is improved greatly.

Good choice of fans. Noctua is one of my favorites.

>>57480688
Noctua >>> anything else
checked

>>57480678
>Get some cable combs faggot.
I tried cable sewing but I must be retarded because I can't do it at all.

>The noctua not color matching is triggering me but I think that you wanted that, so kudos.
Yep. I have the black/white fan that came with the heatsink but I get better marginal temps with the poo fan.

>Slight GPU sag though.
It's the angle. The card isn't even a week old.

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I have space to replace the H80i GT with an H100i. Might due it because I'm bored and have no other upgrades to make.

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gutsu desu

>>57479530
can I borrow a few hard drives?

>>57480808
those things are 8TB hdds in RAID 6. Its like $350 a pop. It's gonna be very difficult to spare some for you.

>>57480576
The back's stuffed due to all the power cables & the SAS breakout. All those cables are from the front hotswap cages.

I'd shove them somewhere pretty if I had room :')

>>57481160
Time for a new case bruh.

>>57481160
Why did you go Mid Tower if you need drive cages. Mid Towers are a meme for gamers who only use 2-3 drives.

>>57481344
I've considered it, but I'm getting into retardedly priced case territory due to how much hardware I have in it. I really can't justify spending $200-$300 on a case to make my cables look pretty.

>>57481375
This case is a full tower. Just doesn't look like it in the pic.

The top 4 hotswap bays aren't populated all the time. They're hotswap bays since I work with external drives very often.

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currently at 4.8ghz
4.9 was stable but the voltage jump was uncomfortable

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>>57479530
O-OP, whats with all the hard drives? What are you storing there?
>>57479663
Very pretty as always (desu i dream of this build)

>>57481651
Pirating Network Share from University, grew to about 12TB and I torrent about 2TB a year. And I backup my laptop on the desktop as well. I share some space with friends who need online ftp access as well.

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>>57479530
based case bro, nice cable mgmt

>>57481730
based

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My desktop

>>57479586
same case and cooler

>>57479530
What are you doing that you need sli titans? What kind of 4k fps u get?

>>57481823
CUDA compute box for computational fluid dynamics. 4k FPS with max settings in assassin's creed black flag is about 45 fps. Its RAM limited. Waiting for Volta to come out with HBM before I change those.

>>57481595
t h i c c

>>57480731
Looks very clean, nice case.

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Made myself a sleeper, the pic in the middle is the best I can do at the moment without unplugging it and pulling the whole thing out.
Lemme tell ya tho, it's a mess up top, but it doesn't impede anything.

>>57481886
What do you use, comsol, autodek fluid product, icepak, openfoam or something else?

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>>57480658
>buying reference
>what is cable management

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>>57481651
>that psu

>>57482040
Openfoam for CPU and RapidCFD(this one took a lot of tweaking to get it to work) for GPU. Have used comsol and fluent in the past. But OpenFoam is awesome once you learn. Did a bit of DNS with it.

>>57482063
Is it that bad? I thought Thermaltake are okay.

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My cable management is shit

>>57482086
Cool, do you work for a big company. I did a bit of openfoam last semester and i graduate next semester. Where are you from if you dont mind me asking?

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I love my little case

>>57482200
PhD student at UMass, been doing this stuff for like 4 years now. Big companies don't use OpenFoam so much, they like everything automated and supported.

>>57479530
show me your car keys

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>>57482424
Here you go anon.

>>57482257
Whats ur phd on, and ur background?

>>57479663
what's the case?

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>>57482191
Jesus fucking christ, anon.
That fucks up my OCD.

>just a minor update, took out upper fan because positive pressure

>>57482884
So in regards to pressure, for overpressure i want the sum of fans in pressure to be greater than the sum of fans out pressure? Or do i need to include an area multiplication?

>>57482951
Yep, that's pretty much it.

>>57479530
why all the drives?
I'm doing just fine with an ssd for / and a 1TB raid0 array for /home
fast random r/w for the OS and programs, fast sequential r/w for big files in /home
literally perfect

>>57480595
Ive also never heard of people returning a case fan

>>57480658
You can attempt to route the cables around the edge of the case even though there's no motherboard tray in that pre-built. Same thing people used to do with the old Antec 300.

You can also paint the interior of the case the same way people used to do for the Antec 300.

You can also paint your motherboard.

And so on...

I only suggest these things since you're posting in a /g/uts thread, which means you probably have some inkling of an interest in case modding/aesthetics. I mainly lurk here because my recent build could still use some work.

If you really want to get dumb, disassemble your power supply (this will void the warranty, and requires caution because of the large, high voltage capacitors inside) and remove unused cables by unsoldering them from the board or clipping+heat shrink. I did this with a really old build (similar to yours, it started its life as a pre-built, but my main goal was case modding and not replacing hardware) and it turned out pretty nice.

Advice?:

Anybody know of a simple, cheap electronics toolkit with decently anti-meme and good quality tools? I am overseas currently and all of my tools/power supplies/test equipment are sitting in storage back in the states. I bought a simple PC toolkit from newegg when I built this computer, and I have a Gerber multitool. Not exactly tools I could undertake cable sleeving which is something I'm interested in doing.

Sorry for the novel.

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How to properly reduce dust gathering inside your case?

Corsair 200R have a lot of holes everywhere and I cover case upper part when not in use, but when I was trying to reapply thermal paste for cooler few days ago, I still found rather disturbing layer of dust everywhere. There is a dust filter for front fan, but clearly it doesnt help much. At the same time, Im kinda afraid, if covering too much during use wouldnt make everything boil inside.

>>57480799
i like yellow

>>57482120
Please reply, i wanna know whats wrong with it.

>>57483477
Well it's a bit misleading, it's a 530w PSU, but you can only put about 456w load on the 12v (the primary) rail.

MOST good PSUs you can put the full load of the rated wattage on the 12v rail.

For example my PSU is a 600w PSU and it can put 588w on the 12v rail. 12 watts from 600w rating.

Yours is ~80w from it's stated wattage.

Also the build quality isn't fantastic, poor soldering but decent internal components, the only real issues are during load situations the 3.3v and 5v rails occasionally have too much ripple for the 80 Plus certification.


Basically it's just a cheap PSU.

>>57483534
Yes, i am aware of its price. I was on real tight budget because of that CPU. And to be honest, ill probably never even be close to using its full wattage.

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raters, give it to me

4690k/strix970/16gb

>>57483398
Just add more intake fans.
You want to receive positive air pressure in order to redce dust collection

>>57483786
6/10

average build and below average cable management.

>>57482539
Air 540.

>>57483797
desu i don't see any problems with the cables right there, not with the airflow and visually the damage is very small

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>>57483823
I never implied they were going to impede airflow, good cable management is about organization and aesthetics.

>>57483839
i agree my cables are trash compared to yours, but the tower is closed 24/7 so theres that

>>57483839
nice pipe you fucking faggot

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>>57484284
thanks

>>57482015
>that case
>1060
>100gb SSD

what the fuck am I looking at

>>57483795

This could be a problem, since this mobo have only three "sys fan" inputs.

Where should I place the third then? On the top or on the side?

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I'm getting a Kraken G10 for the GPU on Black Friday so it's not starving for air

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Anyone know what motherboard is in this computer?

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>>57485510
The back:

>>57485510
Looks like an Asrock one.

>>57485540
Do you know which one?

>>57485614
pretty sure there is only one

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157588

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>>57485614
Looks like this one.

>>57485614
There is only one model x99 motherboard in that formfactor, and i'ts the asrock one as mentioned.

>>57479574
What brand are the cables?

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>Want to upgrade my r9 290 to a very high end card
>The 1070 is not enough
>AMD basically gave up the high end market
>The 1080 would be a really nice upgrade but it's expensive as fuck
>At this point my 3570k would be a bottleneck and I might as well change the CPU, build a new computer and keep this one for testing purposes
>Start looking for parts
>A whole new build with a 6700k and a 1080 would cost me over 1700€
Is it really worth it /g/?

I was thinking of getting this:
Intel Core i7-6700K
Cooler Master Hyper 212X
Asus Z170-PRO GAMING
DDR4 Corsair Vengeance LPX, 2 x 8 GB, 3000 MHz
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 SuperClocked GAMING ACX 3.0
Crucial BX200, 480 GB
Western Digital WD Blue, 2 TB
EVGA SuperNOVA 650 G2, 650W

Should I change anything?

The 1080 is the cheapest I could find.
Not sure about the case yet, the Bitfenix Neos looks kind of cool and is the kind of case I like but it seems rather small. Any recommendation?

>>57485142
GTX 1060 and a 120gb SSD in a lightly modified thinkcentre A50 case

>>57485917
They're Bitfenix extensions.

>>57485949
>EVGA 1080
Well, good luck.

>>57485949
Is an Oc 3570k really that much of a bottleneck ? You still can try it then slowly upgrade the rest of the build ?

No berserk?

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I-ive never posted in one of these pls no bully

>>57485300

>PSU intake fan touching GPU intake fan face-to-face, running in opposite directions

are you certifiably retarded? what the actual fuck is wrong with you

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Still waiting on Zen for a New Build.

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>>57486371
I dodged a bullet here, no wonder it was cheap. I'll go for that msi gaymen one then.

>>57486667
I guess it depends on the games.
Not sure whether that pic is bullshit or not, but a 6700k would be a pretty improvement overall anyway. I'm not even sure I should get a 6700k.
Is the whole ddr4 thing worth it? I keep reading everywhere that the 6700k is overpriced garbage and that everyone buy the 4790K instead.

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>yfw ashamed to post because all fans are fugly noctua

>>57485949
at this point i'd wait for vega for an upgrade

>>57485251

Pretty please?

>>57483786
Looks like shit

>>57485949
The build you think of getting is actual pretty fucking good. I'd change EVGA 1080 to ASUS 1080 tho

>>57487404
I think I'll just wait for Kaby Lake and hope the 1080 gets a price drop.

>>57486806
> I'm getting a Kraken G10 for the GPU on Black Friday so it's not starving for air

I know nigga, learn to read

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>>57482015
You gotta paint it
I got some black plastidip and it looked 10000x better

The specs in mine weren't fancy, 750ti, 16gb corsair Vengance ddr3, i5 4460, an Adata 120gb SSD and a 1tb WD Blue
I spent a lot more time making it look good. Like sleeving the cheap chinkshit PSU cables, and hiding yellow leds

I'm gonna be using the case again with much more powerful components. I just hate the front io cable, trying to get a power button to work takes 5 minutes of trial and error because it's one big unlabeled block

>>57485251
You can buy a fan splitter cable for like 30 cents

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>>57480744
T H I C C

>>57487869

Oh. I must missed this part.

Still, wouldnt placing two intake fans on the top gather more dust inside? Or top-front as intake and top-back as pumping outside?

Front of the case have two locations for fans, but one is blocked by hard drives. Dust filters are only at the front and at PSU hole.

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Havent opened this fuck up in months. Pretty dirty.

>>57486906
>MSI
ZOTAC
O
T
A
C

>>57488468
fucker*

>>57488866
Beautiful.... nice double dubs

>>57489339
those are tips and dubs
888 66

>>57489349
>tips
trips

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thick

>>57488866
Muh dick

Sapphire makes the best cards

Why are people so obsessed with Fuck-all Design shit?

>>57481160
>SAS
And you thought you needed this because?

>>57489366
autism

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>>57489366
Love the gainwoods.
>>57488866
clean build man.
>>57486726
cable combs would help those expensive cables for pretty cheap c:
>>57483786
thats a big case.

>>57483408
thanks anon

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>>57485510
asrock x99 itx ac

>>57487585
comfy

>>57490945
nice cpu/mobo/case/psu but new gigabyte gpu is pretty ugly

now rate me
it's my first time, but don't go easy

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pomf

>>57479663
don't get the 650 physx meme. looks cute though.

>>57480744
>stacking meltdown ssds
hope you're keeping an eye on those temps. could just be the 500gb ones that run hot though.

>>57481595
shit case, great oc.

>>57483786
>>57483398
>>57482191
disaster tier

>>57485300
good potential. take a better picture in the future.

>>57486726
spaghetti mode cabling. tighten those cables up and take a better picture.

>>57492332
yeee but damn does it preform well was thinking of the Galax 1070 HOF special edition, but it was slower and more expensive for muh white gpus.
>>57492375
Nice but thats alot of fans m8.
>>57492538
I ended up getting the intel nvme one but the samsung ones look amazing and preform great. Cool build man.

>>57492738
Thanks. Would like to upgrade 390X but I don't deserve it, don't even game much. Maybe when Vega drops if it's good value compared to Pascal.

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>>57480808
>can I borrow a few hard drives?
no.

>>57480840
*were* $350 a pop. They're already half that with 10, 12 and 16 on the market now.

>>57482480
6th gen Civic?

>>57493041
Yeee same here I just like messing around with hardware and seeing whats new and improved. Been thinking of getting a pcie ssd to see how it does against the m2 counterparts. Also holy shit those noctua redux fans are damn quiet now they are in the hp case.

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>>57479663
>we BMW now

>>57493120
Yep, 1998.

>>57489754
It's Mini-SAS to SATA. I use a PCIe card to manage main RAID i/o because there's not enough bandwidth on my chipset lanes for 8 drives + my external bays.

Joys of X99 and PCIe 2.0

>>57479586
>>57481795

The front panel of that case is goofy but man it produces some amazing looking guts.

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>>57489754
Honestly why not, there are loads of affordable SAS host bus adapters available that won't break the bank both new and used.

Let's you use enterprise 10k/15k drives and backplane communication for drive status.

>>57494029

Price point is why not.

>>57494073
It's not hard to find a used SAS HBA controller for under $100 from a reputable brand.

Lots of LSI controllers for example sell between $40-$80 regularly on ebay.

>>57494137

Sure but I'm talking about the SAS drives themselves, why use them over normal HDD or SSD even? Maybe you got 10 or 15k rpm drives in there now but they can be costly to replace.

>>57494217
I've never seen the need for SAS outside of enterprise needs. My home servers are always built using SATA drives.

>>57494217
Depends a lot on the situation, RAID is generally why you'd want to bother with SAS drives as a home user. By themselves they're not worth the cost barrier to use.

SSD's will wipe the floor in performance but SAS drives still have the upper hand in cost, which adds up when buying multiple drives.

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>>57486921
They make them in a few different colors now, anon. And they make the vibration pads in different colors too.

>>57494081
Your cables look pretty horrid but other than that its decent.

>>57479530
>All those hard drives in your own PC instead of a separate storage system

its like you want to waste processing power on backups and moving files and shit

>>57494713
>using your available processing power is wasting it.
>moving files is resource intensive

>>57494217
You can buy SAS drives for less than $20 a piece. Cost is not an issue.
>>57494315
I agree, because you can pick up SSDs cheap these days.
>>57494497
Who uses RAID anymore? As a home user, do you really need redundancy? Why not JBOD?

>>57495321
>>Who uses RAID anymore? As a home user, do you really need redundancy? Why not JBOD?
Home users can and do have drives die on them. Plus you get Nice Things like checksumming and protection from bit rot, snapshots, etc as part of the bargain.

What does /g/uts think of mini-ITX builds?

>>57494029
>Wasting precious PCIe slot

>>57496000
best Socket A board of all time

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R8

>>57496179
Ruined by ugly power cables

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>>57496251

My power supply lets me down

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sry for shit pic its a screen-cap from a bad video i took.. not going to open case and take new pic.

budget build
i7 6700k
be quiet! lp cooler
850 evo m.2 sata based ssd running in rapid mode
32gb corsair 2133 cas 13 ram
msi gtx 1060 with 6bg of vram
sea-sonic 650 watt psu
fractal design define s
system is dead silent and i got all parts for just under 1000 usd.

>>57496179
Unless you own that company gtfo.

>>57479663
Where's this guy's PSU?

>>57496359
Never said it was mine

>>57494029
Why would you ever use SAS hard drives in a dekstop?

>>57494497
SAS and SSDs are not mutually exclusive.

>>57495466
that's what backups are for, a RAID array is not a backup solution and shouldnt be treated as such.

If there is fire, all your data is fucked that redundancy isn't helping anyone. However if you keep offsite backups, or cloud backups, you replace your dead drives, and redownload the data, or you go to your safety deposit box at the bank where you keep your backup drives and throw them into your system.


The point is you should never be using RAID in lieu of a proper backup.

>>57495466
>Plus you get Nice Things like checksumming and protection from bit rot, snapshots, etc as part of the bargain.
Wow, you must have the world's fanciest RAID controller.

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Rate me plx

>>57498612
BTW I know some of the drives are not pluged in I took this pic before i finished

>>57495321
SSDs are still expensive. A 8TB ssd vs a 8TB mechanical drive made me choose the mechanical drive hands down. Didn't even bother to look for SSDs. Till they become on Par, I will always go with mechanical drives for large storage setups.

>>57498612
Is there a computer underneath that dust?

>>57498951
Yes,again I took the pic before i finished.

>>57492611

Whats so wrong with >>57483398 ? ;_;

>>57499091
Cable sorting could be better

>>57486906
GTA V needs a lot of clock speed. An i5 6600K at same speed like that 6700K performs like the same +-5-7FPS

>>57495321
>Who uses RAID anymore? As a home user, do you really need redundancy? Why not JBOD?
Redundancy is only one part of what RAID offers, forgetting that you can stripe drives for better performance than you'd otherwise get running them alone.

>>57495835
Lol really? Just look at all the builds posted in this thread, hardly anybody has anything else on their PCI-E slots other than a graphics card.

>>57497372
Yes they exist, except why bother mentioning? They're extremely cost prohibitive and almost no one except enterprises will put up the cash for them.

>>57498612
poor/10

>>57480744

>hybrid

my nigga

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>>57498612
The cables, the dust, the layout, ahh! Get that thing away from me!

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>>57496235

Clean that mofo, mofo.

>>57480678
should I get sleeved cables, or should I just get a new power supply?

>>57501619
Sleeved extensions unless it's more than 5-6 years old already.

You can always take the extensions off and put them on a new PSU anyway.

>>57497461
software RAID > hardware RAID in this day and age. CPUs are fast enough that it's not worth having hardware acceleration for it anymore. Also if a hardware controller dies, you might not be able to read the disks at all without an identical controller - sometimes identical down to the firmware revision. Software RAID disks can just be plugged into any other computer running the same type of operating system.

ZFS is the big way to do all this nowadays, and it can be had on BSDs or Linux. Linux has Btrfs, too. Btrfs had a major fuckup with RAID6 support recently, but RAID1 is still regarded as solid.

I think Windows can do these things in a more limited, clunky, Windowsy kind of way with storage spaces, but I've never used it myself.

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>>57502059
That is just like me :^)

>>57499156

Oh, that.

On the second thought, I could pay more for modular PSU, because this was somewhat annoying to load all those cables at the back. I have no other idea what to do with them anyway. Unless you have some ideas.

>>57503067
modular or semi modular is the way to go.

>>57482015
How's it a sleeper when there's nothing worth stealing in it?

>>57503472
oh shit, I Enthoo ITX, I was just look at this
how do you like it?

>>57503512
Hey 1060 is a really good card!
>3gb
oh.

>>57503522
It's good.
Didn't have any problems with space.

>>57483565

Your PSU is fine for your rig. Upgrade it down the line when\if you can it will do you solid. Its not a heng-shing-shong-bon-won brand

>>57503067
>>57492538 here, had my original AX1200 since 2012 and I doubt I'll need to upgrade it ever. It's built like a tank.

Good quality fully modulars (Corsair HX series etc.) are worth the investment and should last you several major upgrades.

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Sorry no Speccy

Optiplex 9010
I7-3770k
Corsair 550 PSU
32gb of G.Skill DDR3
Dual 840 Pros in Raid 0
WD Black 750 as Backup Internal
Geforce 1070 OC Itx Edition
Asus PCE-AC88 Wifi

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So here's where I'm gonna have to put this R9 280x
What are the chances it catches fire

>>57503651
Also,

Just installed the GTX 1070 and haven't routed its 6pin yet.

>>57503651
>hanging SSD's
Kek, love it

>>57503652
have the 290x on a mini-atx motherboard. no fire but while doing gaymen 80C+ (176 for amerifats). keeps room in comfy temperature at night.

>>57503706
>
I bent the fuck out of that bracket and said, yup that will do. lol

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Built this for my sister. Thing was fast for how much I put into it.

>>57504484
I built my sister a desktop after her laptop died
Her goal was Minecraft, she was previously playing on integrated celeron n2830 graphics so I wanted to get her a good performance experience on a budget

Athlon 5350 on an ECS Kam1-I mini Itx board, cooled by a BeQuiet shadowrock lp
8gb of Hyperx Blue ddr3 1600mhz ram
A Zotac 750ti
An Adata sp550 120gb SSD
Some Apvexia 450w PSU
In a cooler master elite 110

I already had the cooler, GPU, ram and SSD, so it was like 130$ total out of pocket
With the Athlon at 2.5ghz (4 hole cooler mount on the board allowing for the shadowrock really helps) makes 1080p maxed Minecraft a 45fps min dream on Ubuntu 16.04

>>57504562
And the whole thing draws like 120w under max load
Even without a 4 pin CPU power connector on the mobo that Athlon is still only at around 35w

>>57504484
How old is your sister? Pics of your sister?

>>57504562
Nice! This one was fun because I had to spice wires and improvise with the PSU in order to get it to boot with no help from the internet. Then I had to use washers to mount it. The combination of the SSD and GPU made it feel like a whole new PC. It played GTA 5 really nice and booted in less than 15 seconds.

>>57504638
splice*

>>57504604
She's 17, and no

>>57504685
So you weren't the one that posted a pic of a random girl earlier? Also too old for my liking 2bh

>>57504685
>17
>Can't build her own pc
Is she autistic

>>57504766
First off, you're talking about the wrong sister. You asked about MY sister. Secondly, shes 18 and no you cant have a pic. Third, thinking everyone can build a computer is actually the most autistic part about your statement.

>>57502514
At least take the plastic off that antenna.

>>57492332
rate me pls

>>57505633
speccy?

>>57505680
msi armor 1070 w/ custom backplate
6600k
asus z170i pro gaming

>>57505996
8.5/10. Top tier for your component choice.

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>>57490945
Welp finally got another ssd wooo. Lets see how western digital did.

>>57495321

You cannot buy a SAS drive of a decent size/speed for 20 bucks. You're lying, unless you're getting them super cheap from a used dealer or something.

>>57494662

What can I do to make it better? Replace the 8+6 pins going into the GPU's with some individual sleeved cables? Tighten them up a bit?

>>57496179

ugh, passive cooling case... take my money. I'd love to never hear a peep coming out of my tower.

>>57503652

Drill some holes at the bottom and elevate the case from the surface it sits on.

>>57507416
>You cannot buy a SAS drive of a decent size/speed for 20 bucks
Sure you can, 2.5" 10k/15k 146gb can easily be picked up for under 20$ off ebay brand new.

>inb4 146gb isn't enough
If you are interested in using SAS drives but are not planning on using RAID to make up for this, then you have no reason to purchase them anyways.

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I'm looking for a new computer case. My current one, Fractal Design Define R4's hard drive cage sucks ass. I had to ghetto mod it with pieces of foam to stop the insane vibrations. The vibrations spread through the floor and then travelled into other rooms nearby. That shit is not okay, in my opinion.

Have Fractal Design unfucked the HDD cage bay in the newer versions? Do you guys have any recommendations for a new ATX computer case?

Thanks in advance :)))

>>57508254
No, its still fucked. Thinking about ghetto modding it like you. The whole removable concept is fucked up. Assholes should just weld the cages in.

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>>57479530
can't believe I almost missed this.

>>57508254
Buy SSDs