WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>57475358
Sounds like the FBI is coming for you Trump supporters, where will you hide now?

>>57475365
>Trump supporters are the degenerates
:^)

This is why you dont allow javascript, or look at cp.

Nowhere is safe now to hide your loli stash

>>57475856
I dont condone the behaviour but Tor is still safe and still has those sites up and running. The weakest link in security is the user. People get caught because of stupidity and ignorance.

>>57475358
how is this shit legal?

they're wasting their resources processing wankers, while real crime is at an historical peak.

>>57475901
Kid-fiddling anon, they're not using all their resources to catch a few hundred people who jerk off.

>>57475901
It's not just about wankers being wankers. You realize that these are REAL children being wanked to, right? More demand for CP equals more children being a part of this sick shit.

There are many attack vectors which do not require javascript

>>57475931
they're not real
they're just photos and stuff

>>57475901
This.
They should use their resources
With Her

>>57475940
terrorists aren't real
they're just in photos and stuff

>>57475958
that is true. I have never seen any terrorist or islamist. Have you?

So the FBI was one of the largest disributors of cp? Good fucking job FBI

>>57475982
b-but they're the good guys!

>>57475931
nah, 99.999999% cp is harmless softcore.

they could just prosecute the small percentage of real abusers, and let alone the rest, but that would be probably too much work.

>>57475358
>However, nearly 1,000 IP addresses were revealed
that's all? for 23 sites?

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>>57476004
>nah, 99.999999% cp is harmless softcore.
How do you know that?

so Entrapment, it wouldn't have been there if they just took it down.

REMINDER:
If you want to enjoy CP and more with minimal consequence, you need to join, or be close to the political elite, or be super rich.

This message brought to you by Comet Ping Pong

>>57476037
>Comet Ping Pong
Did they actually crack that site?

I remember reading something about encrypted zips, but I never really followed up on it or gave a shit.

>>57476027
Not entrapment. It would be entrapment if they encouraged you to visit those sites. The sites were already there, they just took them over and didn't take them down.

>>57475358
The law doesn't allow the FBI to distribute child pornography. Will agents of the FBI be arrested?

>>57476074
They were given approval to do this.

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>>57475940
*sigh*

Believe it or not but behind these "photos" there is real abuse of infants. And the abuse exists because there is demand. Wankers are not just wankers, they're creating demand for it, and as such are a big part of the problem.

You could argue that we maybe should not give much emphasis to catch the consumers but rather to catch the ones who are actually producing this shit, but it's much harder to catch the masterminds behind it because they're way more careful than the average wanker and, guess what, Tor works.

>>57476090
>Tor works
Except it really didn't for at least 200 who were charged and 1000 whose information was at least collected according to that article.

>>57476087
>They were given approval to do this.
That's nice, but the laws don't grant an exemption for police work. It's still illegal. The police can't for example murder someone as part of a gang initiation to place a under cover officer. They can't operate a CP web site to collect ID.

>>57476107
The police can sell drugs and guns given judge approval. It's happened in the past. It's only entrapment if they seek out you, not if you seek out them.

>>57475358
I guarantee that, of the agents that were on this sting operation, at least one of them was a pedo and used this as an excuse to collect pics for his own sick purposes. What an absolute nigger.

>>57476058
CPP is still alive and well, which was the point of my post. If one has enough money/ political influence, you can literally get away with murder, and in some cases, even the police and government agencies are complicit. Hide your kids.

>>57476106
And why do you think so many other didnt get caught? Perhaps they know more about security?

>>57475358
>When you realize the FBI has the most cp in the world

>>57476090
>*sigh*
You could have been fucking Churchill or Hitler, orating your heart out in the paragraphs that followed, but this alone devalues anything that you have to say regarding anything.
>>>/tumblr/

>>57476123
Or if you live in a shithole country

>>57476117
>The police can sell drugs and guns given judge approval. It's happened in the past. It's only entrapment if they seek out you, not if you seek out them.

I never said a word about entrapment.
I said it's illegal to distribute CP.
It's illegal for me, it's illegal for the government.

All laws apply to everyone equally. That's why you must craft a law to include exemptions if you wish to act counter to it.

For example a bog standard law might read something like; Any person that does X is guilty of this crime unless in accordance to section A, B, C, D.

Then you list ABCD and say for use by the DoD in their lawful duty, or by exemption granted by X body.

At the Federal level the US law has no such exemption. That's because it's not only illegal to produce CP it's also illegal to distribute it.

Each off the Agents should be facing distribution charges and conspiracy charges, and all the way up the chain to anyone that approved it.

>>57476134
It's all fun and games until the FBI finds an unpatched security hole
>>57476143
>>>57476090
>>*sigh*
>You could have been fucking Churchill or Hitler, orating your heart out in the paragraphs that followed, but this alone devalues anything that you have to say regarding anything.
>>>>/tumblr/
>>57476143
>>>57476090
>>*sigh*
>You could have been fucking Churchill or Hitler, orating your heart out in the paragraphs that followed, but this alone devalues anything that you have to say regarding anything.
>>>>/tumblr/

>>57475358
got tons of loli shit on my harddrive (which is illegal in my country)
im running fulldisk encryption tho, am i still fucked?

>>57476196
You are fucked if you have an identifiable MAC address
Literally destroy your computer and never look back.

>>57475358
>However, nearly 1,000 IP addresses were revealed as a result of the NIT’s deployment
Explain to me how this happened.

>>57476013
I'm guessing that's all they got from their 'malware'
Only idiots fall for that shit, enabling javascript, running flash and other stupid shit.

I would be more worried about exploits in stuff like rar/zip and movie files. There were a few of those recently.

>>57476188
>It's all fun and games until the FBI finds an unpatched security hole
There are always new vulnerabilities being discovered. The point is, curently Tor is secure. The proof would be the dozen or more cp sites that are still running with a huge community.

>>57476219
>mac address
those are pretty easy to spoof tho

>>57476017
I have all of it and counted anon

>>57476241
The FBI basically controls online CP. I wouldn't doubt whatever degenerate sites you're talking about are FBI ran while they slowly collect metadata

>>57476236
One could easily avoid such exploits by extracting offline in a secure environment.

>>57476262
Controlling them for over a year? Oh ok

>>57476277
Wouldn't put it past them.

>>57476277
>As Ars has reported, federal investigators temporarily seized a Tor-hidden site known as Playpen in 2015 and operated it for 13 days before shutting it down.
It was a 13 day operation

> as of August 2016, there were 29 unique child porn related sites on Tor-hidden servers.
>23/29 child porn websites are hosted/ran by the FBI
holly shit

>>57476186
>All laws apply to everyone equally.
nigga really believes this

>>57476301
Im talking about new sites that have popped up after playpen went down. Those sites have been operating for a long time now and are still up.

If I'm on the list I'll be playing Darude Sandstorm on my head killing each an every of them shitheaded fucks. If I die you have permission to pee on my corpse whenever you feel like. I love it when someone fucks me all over it's turns me on. Mmm fuck yeah. FUCK ME MOTHERFUCKER FFFUCCK MMMMMEEEEEEEE I LOVE TO DIE I LOVE SUICIDE IT'S FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!!!

>>57476090
>And the abuse exists because there is demand.
So if we banned all means of distributing media of child abuse there would be no pedos fucking children.
You're literally retarded.

>>57476353
What did he mean by this?

>>57476353
.-.

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>>57476359

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>>57475958
So I'm a terrorist for watching isis videos?

>>57476407
sick fuck

so honey buckets are legal?

nice man, god bless the USA

>>57476407
By that logic, yes. But I think the whole point is to arrest potential criminals, although that's idiotic. You didn't do anything wrong just by watching or imagining something (no matter if it's cp or terrorism videos), and yet they'll accuse you just because they're expected to arrest people. Otherwise it'd seem like they're being paid to do nothing. They're running out of real criminals to arrest so they have to make up laws and grasp straws.

How do you view videos of you don't allow javascript?

>>57476588
You enable fbi.js to watch, but don't worry you're safe.

>>57476588
Pretty sure there aren't streaming sites, numb nuts.
cocaine.ninja and a few other pomf sites got fucked by pedos uploading password protected archives

>>57476588

Html5

>>57475901
>real crime is at an historical peak.
What did he mean by this?

But that's not why they popped Freedom Hosting, anon.

See all the way back at >>56057873:

For those who didn't know, Tormail was set up on Freedom Hosting to provide pseudonymous email.

Edward Snowden's email address used when he was trying to teach Glenn Greenwald how to encrypt - https://vimeo.com/56881481 (note date) - was [email protected] - why, hello NSA selectors.

The NSA Tailored Access Operations group, as part of assisting the FBI investigation into what became the Snowden leaks, hacked Freedom Hosting (probably by SQL injection or something mundane), and discovered its location, in order to find out who that leaker had been talking to or anything else. They didn't end up learning anything useful from that, so the FBI next went onto the other email address Snowden had used - [email protected] - which was domestic, so the NSA weren't strictly speaking allowed to hack it, so the FBI went legal on them, and we all know what happened to Lavabit right after that.

Meanwhile, while poking around, the NSA goons found the other sites hosted on the Freedom Hosting servers they'd rooted, and not to put to fine a point on it, some of them were infamous cheese pizza sites. They promptly put what they call a NIT on it - an attempted IP address leaker - which added itself to every site Freedom Hosting hosted (including Tormail), hoping to score the leaker's IP address, or failing that something about the cheese pizza - it would have made for a very nice cover.

Long story short they hit paydirt, Freedom Hosting's owner was arrested, it's all down now.

>>57475358
good thing I used tails live boot off of my USB on my spare useless laptop and using the public caffee wi-fi

>>57475365
I knew his free CP for everyone policy was to good to be true.

>>57477498
his policy was to make anime real
stop calling cartoons CP you fucking normies

>>57475958
You don't say?

Welcome to the west, kid.

>>57476090
>kid fucker has camera and loli
>no buyers
>guess I better just start fucking adults
It doesn't fucking work like that. In the digital era, CP producers make porn because they fucking can and want to, and sell it on the side. Once it's sold it's usually either traded on text chats or just distributed to the horny wanking masses. Going after some faggot with an internet connection and an itch on his dick doesn't save a single kid you fucking retard

>hurr we can't catch predators so lets just go after low hanging fruit so the masses don't realize we're incompetent and useless

>*sigh*
You must be 18 or older to use this site

The people running Tor must have turned on JavaScript or even flash or something.

>>57476618
Why would a site get fucked for hosting password protected archives. They can't be expected to know what's in an encrypted archive. They should only be responsible for removing offending content when brought to their attention

>>57477840
They got shut down for a while because people were investigating. Tons of pedos were using pomf sites to upload CP on whatever forums. A lot of pomf hosters were kind of pissed about it. Some lowered the filesize and disabled archives..
>why would a site get fucked for hosting cp?
...
I get what you are saying though.

>>57477828
Pretty sure JavaScript is enabled by default on Tor

>>57477860
>hosting CP
unaware of that fact, and it's unreasonable to demand they screen the files on their locker

>>57476674
it meant that he is lying, cherry-picking, or "history" is only 10 years for him.

>>57476264
that's why it isn't a common method. only dum dum diddlers will open a rar while connected to the internet. i don't even do that, and the only thing i have to hide is that i like traps.

>>57478002
Pretty sure using FOSS software to open files is more than enough
>his archive extractor allows arbitrary code execution

>>57477885
>it's unreasonable to demand they screen the files on their locker
yeah that would take some kind of automaton or something!

>>57478040
An automaton with processing power unparalleled by even the combined processing power of every computer on the planet

>>57475365
Looks like you're on the wrong website.
Here, let me redirect you: www.reddit.com

>>57475931

>More demand for CP equals more children being a part of this sick shit
but
>Piracy is killing the X industry

Which one is it fags? It can't be both.

>>57478019
You just rely on other people to tell you what you want to hear, just like with any other software. Don't act like you can audit it yourself

>>57478054
checking files for hash matches is trivial. the assumption that screening files is computationally expensive sounds like something a non-tech person would say — like assuming that it's impossible to go through a few hundred thousand emails in a week or so.

>>57475358
>FBI freely distributing illegal material
>"B-b-but we're innocent since we're the gubment!"

>>57476107

>The police can't for example murder someone as part of a gang initiation to place a under cover officer.

They can and they have done it retard.

>>57478105
>checking the hash of an archive
whats the point tho

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>>57475365
>he doesn't know about podesta

Doesn't that make the FBI the biggest CP host in America?

>>57478105
>AES256 encrypted password protected .7z
>oh but we gots da SHA256 right here boss
Congrats you did nothing

>>57478099
>You just rely on other people to tell you what you want to hear, just like with any other software.
The number of people who have looked over the code for unzip and 7z is so immense I'd be shocked to find any evidence of anyone using either for ACE

>Don't act like you can audit it yourself
I can, but I don't because I don't have time to audit the software I run, just like everyone else on the planet, which is why using FOSS is pretty good. People who develop for the software can check the code and any vulnerabilities are in the open for people to see. Can't hide obvious shit

>>57478194
World*

>>57475358
probably because the idiots thought installing the Tor browser on Windows 10 would make them safe

Tor is still a good security tool. Don't spread FUD because Tor is more secure when more connections are made with it.

>>57475358
Why the fuck do you idiots make this information public?
It's like you want pedophiles to learn how to avoid you

>>57478219
Less mainstream = less abused kids

>>57478243
Only in the short term.
It still leaves more pedophiles out there.

>The FBI hosts CP
literally how is this allowed
honeypots should be illegal

>>57477828
>Be using Tor
>Visit dark web site for downloading pirated copies of Adobe reader
>"This website requires an upgraded video codec"
>Download codec_upgrade.exe
>Download fails. Requires javascript
>Enable JS on site
>Strong warning from torbrowser about not running downloaded executables
>Click "save"
>Run executable
>Windows alert about unsigned exe with big red cross
>Click "run anyway"
>Get busted
>Tor browser is compromised and can't be trusted

>>57475901
It's not. The people who didn't plead guilty are successfully getting their cases thrown out.

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>>57478338

>>57476196
You are now...

>>57475365
Supporting crooked Hillary is worse than supporting pedos.
By supporting Hillary you support: war, starvation, unemployement, mass surveillance, pedo networks, every majors companies who enslave us everyday.
Yeah Trump is by far, a weaker threat.

>>57478087
kek

>>57476186
There are many things law enforcement shouldn't be doing or should be facing repercussions for doing but are not. Prostitution stings to name one. I despise CP and kid fuckers but the way they skirt or misuse the law and constitution has far more reaching negatives. I'm much more worried about government abuse than a bunch of dindus as I can protect myself.

>>57475358
>committing crime to catch criminals
That is funny.

FBI is distributing pedo crap? That's insane. Nobody should be above the law.

>>57478701
>>57478729
>t. pedo

>>57478741
>implying the FBI murdering murderers is ok
We still have the rule of law for a reason.

Argumentum ad hominem will never be an effective form of argumentation. You will always lose. You lost.

>>57478741
Should the FBI also rape rapists?

>>57476186
The FBI will pose as drug dealer to catch a particular person. They don't become worldwide drug dealer in hope to catch a few american.

>>57478785
it was meant for >>57476117

>>57478785
They don't just pose as drug dealers. The FBI is running the illegal drug trade BY justifying it with "undercover agents are posing ass drug dealers." It's doublespeak.

>>57478741
I'm not a pedo, but there must be other ways to catch these guys than facilitating access to products of child exploitation. What the fuck, what about those kids ? Are they even ok with their suffering being spread like that ? I hate pedos, but when you do that kind of shit you're as bad as the pedo.

>>57478783
I wouldnt mind this

>>57478799
Well, that's because you're retarded.

>>57478450
Source?

>>57476058
No, it wasn't the site they were trying to crack. There was a hidden page inside the site that had a bunch of different zip files. Enter the wrong password and it gives you the same image. I don't think anyone cracked that. There were also irregularities with some other sites associated, that possibly had overlapped jpgs inside the mp3s using stegonagraphy.

None of which got pursued because everyone kept heckling and shilling until the more serious techies dropped it.

>>57478774
>>57478783
Say that in real life...The FBI shoud bait these pedo, I don't give a shit about your philosophy...

>>57478795
You think the FBI will produce CP?...Jesus Christ they can use old stuff...

It's hard to imagine that simple viewers are committing an evil that warrants above-and-beyond prosecution. if they are PAYING or REQUESTING it they should certainly be jailed. But if they're viewing it, how are they any different than someone who views an ISIS video? Most people here watched ISIS behead innocent people on film, and ISIS does that specifically as part of a cohesive propaganda campaign. The only difference is that, while we know for sure ISIS does this for propaganda, we don't know for sure that the producers are doing it for anonymous viewers; in fact, if the FBI was running so many sites, it almost seems reasonable to assume they weren't producing it for anonymous viewers...

I don't know. in a world without finite police resources maybe both should be prosecuted. But we have finite resources to police the population, so it seems silly to concentrate on viewers and not producers.

>>57478813
>calling the FBI retarded

So how is secretly installing malware different in practice then warrantless wire tapping?
They also long hosted CP for the purposes of disputing it as a means to distribut this malware?

Glad ethics are alive and well.
No bad tactics, only bad targets.

>getting boners to toddlers

The FBI is cleansing society of the mentally ill, its not as if they can go after trannies and furries so this will have to suffice.

What exactly is "malware" in this context?

They exploited a 0-day JS exploit in TBB to leak IPs? Or did they actually install backdoors on peoples computer?

>>57478841
>You think the FBI will produce CP?
Obviously not.

>Jesus Christ they can use old stuff...
Do they ask the victims if they're ok with pictures of their abuses being used and potentially spread everywhere in pedo circles? Or you don't give a shit and use them without even thinking about the victims on the pics? It just sounds insane to me, these guys should be jailed for committing crime of distributing pedo shit, just like the pedos downloading it, if not more. What the fuck? Can't they target producers and the criminal commiting those abuses instead of hosting pedo stuffs ?

>>57478859
>No bad tactics, only bad targets.
that's pretty witty

>>57476117
doesn't entrapment usually needs specific details on who to "entrap"? like search warrants. the police needs to indicate in the warrant who they need to search and what. the what needs to be searched is important.

>pedo infiltratred FBI and is now a major host of CP

>>57478904
maybe they use the ones that haven't been identified?

>>57478841
>I don't give a shit about laws
Why do you care that cp is illegal if you're going to accept that other laws are broken? A little ironic don't you think.

>>57478898
The former.
>Instead the FBI compromised the TOR browser only using a zero-day JavaScript exploit and used this to implant a cookie which fingerprinted users through a specific external server.

>>57478844
>implying you're the FBI
>implying the FBI raping rapists isn't retarded

>>57475358
How do I get a job at the FBI? Asking for a "friend" :^)

>>57478950
Identified or not, it's still insane to me. Maybe it's a normal thing to you, but in my country authorities don't act like criminals. They investigate and catch criminals, they don't take the initiative of a criminal activity. It would be a crime, you know.

>>57478968
run a cp site and you can probably lease it to them

>>57478935
What if they were the ones that suggested the honey points then grossly mishandled the data and lost all the ips they got.

>>57478904
The FBI takes over already established CP sites and keeps them running for several weeks to monitor who is going to them. It's not like they are uploading anything.

>>57478967
>not getting the joke
Fucking autists ruin everything

>>57479006
Shut the fuck up retard.

>>57478958
Notably, this particular payload was Windows-only, so the tech-savvy need not worry about having been fingerprinted.

https://tsyrklevich.net/tbb_payload.txt

>>57479014
>t. triggered autist

>>57479004
They're still contributing in spreading image of sexual abuse of children without their consent. If I was a FBI agent and I "took control of a website", I'd just shut it down so the images don't spread more than they have alreadty, just by respect for the victims. But whatever.

>>57479020
did they actually write this shit in assembly

>>57479020
Someone should tell Yuliya
>>57471322

>>57478954
it's illegal to kill but a officer can kill someone stupid pedo

>>57479037
I'm sick of all the anti-intellectualism and your memes showing it. Who are you people. You offend us all when you call yourselves American. You have not an ioata of American ideology, same for all the tyrants that have power in this country.

You shit on the Enlightenment itself.

I'm the only one with rationality in here.
See:
>>57478701
>>57478774
>>57478793
>>57478954

>>57479069
That's how shellcode works, anon. You'd never manage to run anything useful in that tiny amount of memory otherwise.

>>57479087
They say understanding humor is a sign of intelligence. Why cant you understand a simple joke?

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>>57479095
and they just send the whole thing in some http header? pretty crazy/scary.

>>57479020
I won't get a virus if I click on this right?

>>57475856
loli != cpp

>>57476017
by softcore do you mean kids in swim suits or naked 9 year olds jamming watermelons up their hoohas

>>57478954
i think you mean hypocritical.

dont try too hard because you come across as a pseudo intellectual and its cringey af ma dude.

>catch nearly 1000 IPs
>File downloaded 43,658 times
>thread views 68,482

>>57478954
tu quoque is not an arguement

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>>57479725
It's all abuse.

>>57480733
How is it abuse?
If they consent, how is it abuse?

>>57476219
But what if you have a Windows computer? How can anyone find a MAC address on that?

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>>57478954
What the fucking hell??? Fuck off nigger.

>>57481087
>How can anyone find a MAC address on that?
There are many ways but according to https://tsyrklevich.net/tbb_payload.txt they used gethostbyname()->h_addr_list
Basically, if you ran Tor Browser naked on your windows machine and visited whatever site they owned during the data collection process, they have your host IP (something you can refute/claim unsecured network) and your MAC address, (something you cannot refute if it is your hardware MAC address)

>>57475931
>More demand for CP equals more children being a part of this sick shit

This is such a dumb argument. These bottom-feeding, non-offending pedos aren't fuelling demand for anything. The people who make this stuff don't just post it up on for sale on pBay or to public forums for likes and subscribes. They trade it with other producers, and it stays private between said producers. By the the time people like these goobers see it, the original producer is almost always already in prison, or ends up there near-instantly once their material is leaked publically.

>deployed a malware

You gotta be a special kind of stupid to eat cheese pizza while looking out the windows.

I don't look at CP or terrorist literature, but this is egregious even for them. They went way over the warrant and hacked tons of regular TorMail users.

Patch and use Whonix. Then hope the new law allowing the FBI to hack anyone, anywhere isn't being favored over the bug disclosure law.

this article was posted a week ago here but from a different source and it hardly had any replies

>>57475365
Good job on getting
>>57477498
>>57478064
>>57478144
>>57478559
>>57475387
Triggered.

>>57481778
Probably because of the WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA in the OP

>>57481790
This, Im a sucker for laughter.

I don t care pedofilia is a bed mind ....
But i search darknet because in my nation for example you Can t see apocalisse now on YouTube there are a lot of censore

>>57482144
Yeah

>>57475358

my friend went to some of these sites, how fucked is he

>not turning off scripts
>not turning off images
you asked for it

>>57482213
It was nice knowing you, anon.

>>57479883
can you imagine the fbi sending 70k individuals to prison all for 10years+.

What if... FBI is the actual creator behind tor and they keep telling these stupid stories to cover their track? They wouldn't need to actually host lewd kids if tor was exploited by default

>>57482412
they'll just build more private prison, plenty of money in the prison business.

>>57482468
wtf i hate fbi now

>>57482489
using our tax money
no thanks

why doesnt the fbi just bust the people committing the actual rape instead of the ones watching it.

you can freely watch people commit crimes and murder people. someone real was harmed in the process.

how is it different

>>57482646
something something supply and demand
even though no money changes hands for cp and it's distributed freely, thus only draining producers of money

>>57482646
it's different because "THANK OF THE CHILDRUM" and emotional appeal.

>>57475931
>You realize that these are REAL children being wanked to, right?
Yeah, because the government is providing

>>57483414

sick burn, you're not supposed say that. that's stepping in the twilight zone

>>57482659
>>57482646
demand

>>57475900
This just shows that the FBI use malware to deanonymise users.
Javascript malware, most likely.

You know, the method that they've been using forever.

>>57475358
>FBI operated 23 Tor-hidden child porn sites, deployed malware from them

How is this legal

>>57476090
>downloading music illegally destroys the music industry
>downloading CP illegally just creates demand for the CP industry

Make your mind up

>>57484082
the fbi catches "terrorists" by finding mentally unstable people, giving them a lot of cash, encouraging them to blow something up, giving them fake bombs, and catching them in the act of trying to use those fake bombs. they do this in order to justify their existence. more here: >>57484161

>>57484082
You likes cplovers?

>>57475931
their time would still be better spent going after the people who actually fuck children and then upload the videos

The only people who are actually getting upset about the FBI's tactics here are pedos, everyone else doesn't care how it's done we just want pedo scum off our streets.

>>57486402
0/10

>>57481252
>Tor Browser naked
What does that mean?

>>57486402
The problem isn't that they did it to catch pedos. It's because they did it in general.
Now it's acceptable because it's about pedos, but in the future they might do the same thing for other crimes (or maybe they already did in the past).

For example, would you be ok with the situation being the same for drugs?
Would you be ok with the FBI (or any other law enforcement organization) being the largest distributor of drugs to catch and jail drug users (assuming it's a crime to use drugs, for argument's sake)?

Would you be ok with the FBI cloning your CC and selling the data on the Internet to catch carders?

At the end of the day, the only question is wether the end justifies the means.
In my opinion yes (if the crime they're committing will help stop a lot of the same crime in the long term, then it's a net benefit for me), but I think it's a valid concern.

>>57486578
>Would you be ok with the FBI cloning your CC

You can clone concealed carry? Hell yes, more guns.

>>57486889
Credit card

>>57486904
...yes, I carry my credit card concealed.

>>57486578

>"It's not okay to do this thing to catch criminals, because it's wrong in general"

This argument doesn't hold up. You could apply this logic to literally any method of combating crime. e.g.
>"Using firearms to subdue violent crimes is wrong, because shooting people in general is wrong"

The point is that police should ideally be well intentioned enough not to abuse their powers or methodologies. At the very least, it's a cost-benefit analysis: Either we let cops go around armed and take the chance that some of them will be prone to corruption or abuse, or we just deal with violent criminals running rampant with no way to subdue them.

Personally, I don't mind if the FBI wants to run honeypot operations to catch people who abuse and exploit children. I don't like the idea of Big Brother pervasively monitoring everything I do on the Internet, but that should be treated as a whole separate issue. There's no reason why one can't argue against NSA monitoring without also removing legitimate crime-fighting tools from law enforcement officials who are simply intent on protecting children.

>>57484029
If real gore videos were made illegal then you can bet there would be tor sites dedicated to sharing/trading them and maybe even producing

There are a lot of people out there who receive gratification and 'get their fix' from watching others suffer and die but this is considered fine and legal unless there's some kind of sexual element

>"It's not okay to do this thing to catch criminals, because it's wrong in general"
>This argument doesn't hold up. You could apply this logic to literally any method of combating crime. e.g.
That's not what I meant. Using "In general" wan't the best choice. Let me rephrase it:
>The problem isn't that they did it to catch pedos. It's because they did it period.

>"Using firearms to subdue violent crimes is wrong, because shooting people in general is wrong"
Nope. "Shooting INNOCENT people in general" is what's wrong. Not shooting in general.
I'm not saying everything that's involved in doing a crime is a criminal act itself.
In this case, shooting innocents is wrong, but shooting people is not necessarily wrong in every case.
Just like punching someone in the face is usually wrong, but there are cases in which it isn't (a boxing match for example), because it's not the punching itself the problem, but punching someone who doesn't want/deserve to be punched.

>The point is that police should ideally be well intentioned enough not to abuse their powers or methodologies. At the very least, it's a cost-benefit analysis: Either we let cops go around armed and take the chance that some of them will be prone to corruption or abuse, or we just deal with violent criminals running rampant with no way to subdue them.
>Personally, I don't mind if the FBI wants to run honeypot operations to catch people who abuse and exploit children. I don't like the idea of Big Brother pervasively monitoring everything I do on the Internet, but that should be treated as a whole separate issue. There's no reason why one can't argue against NSA monitoring without also removing legitimate crime-fighting tools from law enforcement officials who are simply intent on protecting children.
I agree, as I wrote in the last part of my post.

>>57484029
What about people who only watch/download videos and photos made by the kids themselves, with no adult involved?
That's illegal CP too, right?
What does it have to do with supply and demand?

>>57475358
the only rational way of stop the abuse is legalize cp.

mixing 17 year old softcore with actual abuse just makes people distrust the laws, and let abusers to hide in a sea of innane, harmless stuff.

yet, don't hope any politician is going to embrace a sensible yet unpopular cause, ever.

>>57487075
>Nope. "Shooting INNOCENT people in general" is what's wrong. Not shooting in general.
That's wrong, shooting someone is only acceptable if 1) it was done in self-defense or 2) it was a lawful execution of a criminal sentenced by his or her peers. The scenario is not equivalent.

Also, it doesn't seem like you understand the concept of "equality before law". What's illegal for civillians, should be illegal to the government and all its agencies.

>>57487198
>shooting someone is only acceptable if 1) it was done in self-defense or 2) it was a lawful execution of a criminal sentenced by his or her peers.
And how does that contraddict what I said?
I said that shooting people is not generally wrong, implying that there are cases where it might be acceptable.
You responded by telling me which, in your opinion, are those cases.

>Also, it doesn't seem like you understand the concept of "equality before law". What's illegal for civillians, should be illegal to the government and all its agencies.
I do understand it, and I believe this is how it should be.
But I also believe that there could be exceptions in cases where the damage created by the crime committed by law enforcement is justified by the bigger benefit that resulted from it.
For example, it shouldn't be allowed for the police to drive over the speed limit for no reason, but when they need to chase a criminal, then an exception is necessary, so it makes sense to allow for police vehicles to drive way above the speed limit, because otherwise it would be impossible to catch the speeding criminal.

If law enforcement wasn't allowed to "break the law" when it's necessary to do so to catch a criminal, then criminals would exploit this huge weakness to never get caught/arrested.

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>>57486402
thread/

>>57487371

>And how does that contraddict what I said?
It's a false equivalence.

>For example, it shouldn't be allowed for the police to drive over the speed limit for no reason, but when they need to chase a criminal, then an exception is necessary, so it makes sense to allow for police vehicles to drive way above the speed limit, because otherwise it would be impossible to catch the speeding criminal.

It is illegal for coppers to speed if they're not on a mission, just like it isn't illegal for you to speed if you have an emergency. Besides which, they have lights and sirens that make spotting them easier when they're on a gig.

That's still a false equivalence, this is about entrapment.

>>57475358
>hide
Lul

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>>57481784

>>57487502
>It's a false equivalence.
1- I'm not the one who made the example (I'm >>57486578 >>57487075 >>57487371, and it was >>57486993 who made it, and I just responded to it).
2- It was a false equivalence when it was posted the first time by the guy. What I responded to it is not.

>It is illegal for coppers to speed if they're not on a mission, just like it isn't illegal for you to speed if you have an emergency.
Exactly.
It's illegal, unless there's an exception, in which case it's allowed because otherwise it'd be impossible to catch the criminals.

>That's still a false equivalence, this is about entrapment.
1- Nobody is arguing about entrapment here, and certainly I'm not. We're talking about wether it's right for the FBI to distribute so much CP, just to catch criminals.
2- It's not entrapment, because they're not making you commit the crime. It would be entrapment if they spammed your email with links to CP (something you wouldn't have seeked on your own) or somethign like that.
All they did, was to replace the admins of an already-running operation, to get the people who visited them without the police making them do so.
It's akin to an undercover agent pretending to buy drugs to catch a dealer.
It would be entrapment if they got someone on the street and got him to start dealing to get them the drugs they asked for, but that's not the case, because all they did was buying drugs from someone who was already selling.

Literally all your arguments are either strawmen, cherrypicking single phrases from the entire post, or just simply being stupid and not knowing/understanding what you're talking about.
I hope you're trolling because you're making a fool of yourself.

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>>57476058
>tfw invited to pizza party at Podesta's place, together with the Clintons

LEGALIZE IT

According to FBI, it's a better idea to lure basement dwellers by distributing actual CP instead of tracking actual CP producers. Maybe, with the same logic, FBI will start a CP studio just to "arrest bad people".

>>57487994
there's clearly hypocrisy there.

but the real agenda behind the pedo-hysteria is that the government needs an excuse to spy, demonize, and prosecute anyone that opposes the status quo. They did the same shit with the war on drugs during the 60's

>>57487994
No customer, no producers.

Look what's happened when Visa, Mastercard etc refuse to deal with bestiality websites

>>57488120
>pedo-hysteria
You don't have values

>>57488120

>Witch-hunting
>Communist-hysteria
>War on drugs
>Paedo-hysteria
>Terrorist-hysteria

what's next?

>>57487642

It's entrapment since they're hosting or maintaining the site in order to catch users.

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>>57488120
>pedo-hysteria
it's not

>cp viewers but not distributors get to skip charges if they offer information on catching producers
y/n

>>57488535
why should cp be illegal anyway?

the sensible thing is to presume innocence and investigate only the small percentage that seems to be evidence of some crime.

>>57488591
>only on /g/

>>57488535
I don't think viewers know anything about the producers.

>>57488502
No it's not you dumbass. It's explained in detail in the post you're replying to, which you seem to have ignored.

>>57488591
>why should co be illegal anyway

a coherent human being wrote that sentence.

just let that fucking sink in.

>>57488613
>>57488755
nice argument. now post your peer reviewed studies proving how everything considered cp by the law is somehow evil for society at large.

>>57488755
https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29

>I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.

That's a quote by the man in the sticky. Maybe you should head on over to reddit

>>57488591
>Evidence of some crime.
Like watching cp?
It's still a crime even if you think otherwise

>>57488845
>That's a quote by the man in the sticky.

Exactly what authority does Stallman have over the issue of pedophilia?

>>57488845
>>57488755
Also:

"9 November 2016 (Child sexual abuse images)

A survey in Germany found that 2.4% of men admitted to viewing "child sexual abuse images". I share the article's concern, but my conclusions are very different from those in the article.

To imprison such a large fraction of society would be outrageous. In the US, that would amount to millions of people. (The US already imprisons far too many of its residents.) This shows that the current repressive approach is untenable.

The boundaries of "child sexual abuse images" are subject to a lot of stretching, and I don't know what those men had in mind when they answered, or whether they were shown a specific definition. We must not label everyone under 18 as "children", nor assume that sex for someone under 16 or 18 (take your pick) is invariably "abuse", nor treat images of fictitious children as real "abuse". But real children are sexually abused for real, and I support laws against that. Efforts against the business of making and distributing images of that are justified — but these must not be done by dangerous methods.

A law against looking at or possessing a copy of some publication, no matter how odious it is or why, is a threat to everyone. It is an excuse for fishing expeditions, when the state seeks an excuse to imprison someone. It also provides an easy way to manufacture a case against someone. How hard is it to slip copies of things into your computer? "

-RMS

>>57488880
I'm just saying, maybe /g/ is too free thinking for you. Maybe you'd prefer the safe space over at reddit where you don't have to have think for yourself about challenging topics

>>57488901
Might not want to accuse someone of not thinking for themselves when you're just citing an irrelevant authority's words.

>>57488845
>>57488881
fatbeard is actually pretty redpilled. i'm starting to think he's not as crazy as he looks.

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>>57478338

Many video formats allow for "active" content. Meaning the video player, not tor browser, would load it over regular internet. Once you have that, you have a beacon. The key issue is loading the video with the active content and redistributing that video. Which is illegal for the police to do, and also what they were doing here: Redistributing. Of course, they're really good about parallel construction, so you don't learn about the technique or the illegal search. I wouldn't be surprised if they even went so far as to reencode videos in formats that don't support active content into formats that do.

>>57488881
>A law against looking at or possessing a copy of some publication, no matter how odious it is or why, is a threat to everyone.

No it isn't. Real children have to be exploited in order to produce those images. Viewership increases the demand for further exploitation.

We're not talking about encroaching on someone's freedom of expression or association. We're talking about children - real people - being exploited in order to produce these "publications." CHILDREN are the only ones being exploited here, not the people who erroneously believe they have a right to view images of children engaged in sexual acts against their will.

I couldn't care less if people wanted to look at drawn images of loli or shota or whatever nonsense is entirely fictional.

>>57488901
RMS opinion on basically anything that's not software or parrot related is not any more relevant than mine or yours

>>57488995
It's not and never has been about supply and demand or kids being victimized every time the content is viewed etc. The whole idea behind these laws is to punish people for being attracted to minors so they won't ever get a chance to act on their feelings

>>57488995
you keep parroting that bullshit doesn't makes it true.

shooting underage models is as likely to imply abuse as shooting adult models.

if you have some prove of it being harmful to someone all of the time, please post it now: otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself

>>57489055
people should be punished for that. it's disgusting

>>57476424
this guy is the type of pussy who says open borders are good without watching the drug cartels torture videos

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>>57476407
Yes, just like you're a Democrat if you watch a Hillary Clinton speech or you're a teenage girl if you watch a Katy Perry music video.

Are you retarded?

>>57476090
>Implying there is no fuckers that do it for their own pleasure, just like camwhore. They are not gonna stop having sex even if you ban the online show.

>>57488393
nuclear radiation hysteria, fucking alarmist bullshit i tell you

Inb4 HDB is operated by the FBI

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>>57488755
>co
>he doesn't know how to greentext

>>57489078
Don't worry anon. By 2040 the FBI will have technology to scan your brain to detect if you've ever felt an an attraction to someone below a certain year of age and act accordingly with castration and/or quarantine

>>57480809
>It's okay for children to be sex objects as long as they consent

Your average /g/tard, everyone.

>>57480733
kek

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>>57475358
>tor
>2016
>almost 2017
Is tor still a thing?

>>57480809
because on one extreme, say you have a baby who is too young to understand anything. you put a dick in his face and he doesn't understand what it is but you could easily manipulate him into playing with it, or trick a child who doesn't know any better. but when he grows up and looks back, he will think what all of us think. (unless he has mental problems) that's messed up, it wasn't really his 'choice' he didn't know any better at the time, and that would be a sick damaging thing to do. the child would probably feel robbed as they get older. that's one extreme if you do that to a baby, but most people would also agree that children would be easily manipulated like this unable to understand at least until they start puberty. the age of consent varies from country to country, but in my opinion the very lowest of any country should be maybe 15 or 16 to have sex with a conscious adult. in America it's even a bit older than that because we are very civilized. even as people grow to 15, 16, 17 most would agree that they are still children and there are people with much more knowledge of the world than them that could still very easily manipulate them even though they are much older than pre-pubescent

maybe there could be a very mature 16 year old you could make a case for, but laws are inflexible i guess, that's the way things are. probably not the end of the world and the judge would cut you some slack in certain cases.

>>57489566
why you people feel the need to appeal to the "baby raping" imagery everytime?

it doesn't add nothing to a rational discussion.

>>57489638
because that's one extreme of the spectrum, i just used that to illustrate how children don't understand what they're doing and how it is unfair. if you agree raping a baby is bad because they don't understand, you can also agree that sex with children older than a baby is bad. the only question is at what age does it become civil? I illustrated that further in the post

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>mfw I only enjoy myself to CP posted on 4chins because it's illegal to post them here so I'm not the guilty one for stumbling upon it

>>57489473
What browser i should use for dark net, so?

>>57475358
from the responses it looks like Trump supporters are mostly pedophiles I guess it makes sense President Pedophile attracts pedophiles

>>57489473
its too well known now sadly

>>57489703
yeah, some extreme: focusing on that, you're just deviating the attention from the core of the problem to a HIGHLY UNLIKELY case (to the point of being preposterous) that has completely different implications, and is universally repudiated even amongst pedos.

appeal to fear, appeal to emotion, and that cherry picking on steroids, just doesn't add to a constructive discourse.

>>57489935
wtf im a pedo now

fuck off, i just used that to illustrate my point. at what age is it acceptable to have sex with a child? is that before or after they learn the alphabet?

>>57489935
>appeal to fear, appeal to emotion, and that cherry picking on steroids, just doesn't add to a constructive discourse.
sounds like i really hit a nerve if you have to spend this much time talking about the first 4 sentences of my post getting butt bothered rather than offering up any arguments

>>57489750
Why you brow on the darknet?

I'm pretty sure nowadays most pedo groups are using Telegram or Whatsapp

>>57489958
that's more like it. The problem is much more complex than an arbitrary age of consent. i'd want to hear your opinions

1. what criteria should you apply to define if a person is able to consent to have some kind of sexual activity? it should include mentally disable adults, people in physical, economical or social disadvantage, etc.

2. what criteria defines when you're can consent to publish nudity of yourself? it should include innebriated adults, and people that may had a change of mind after the fact.

>>57490046
[spoiler]drug forums[/spoiler]

so, what kind of vulnerability did they use? is there any information about the exploit?

Sorry to break up the great debate going on here, but I really think I should point out that most of you guys are reading this news article wrong.

There weren't any new arrests or anything. This was a bust that happened in 2015. More specifically, it worked by exploiting outdated versions of TOR through Flash. I have heard rumors that it only affected windows users but I cannot verify if this is true.

Just a note, almost all of those cases got thrown out with the exception of those who pleaded guilty. A judge wound up dismissing a lot of the evidence because it fell under unwarranted search and seizure.

The thing that's "new" here is that the ACLU realized that the FBI was actually running like 23 or those 29 sites, and that really draws into question their tactics.


Personally fuck pedos but this is bad police work and the FBI should know better.

>>57490194
well, it's legit

>>57490169
>what criteria should you apply to define if a person is able to consent to have some kind of sexual activity?
as with most things in life it's not a simple simple black and white answer, but that doesn't mean you can throw it out the window and fuck kids with no restrictions because you can't handle the complexity of it. they should be able to give conscious consent. obviously a baby can't, obviously an adult can. the age of consent is somewhere between those two. it's not as soon as they learn to speak and it's not right when they turn 18 as governed by the imaginary constructs we call laws. laws are imaginary but that doesn't mean i don't agree with them for the most part. children can be much more easily manipulated and don't understand as much as adults. this is why we have laws against having sex with children, to protect them. it's obviously up to opinion but in most civilized places the rule is at a minimum they must hit puberty. this makes sense because this is the age people develop sexually and outwardly go looking for sexual satisfaction. before this, children don't have conception of these things. it isn't super unheard of fucked up or something to fuck a 14 year old but the reason there are laws against it in America is because we are much more civilized than most nations. if i had fucked a woman at 14 i would have regretted it, and seen it as perverted. 15 or 16 is where it gets questionable. it's not something you can define so cleanly like you ask. the rules in place are there because of our traditions or morals that we can agree on generally. I don't think it is at all up for debate whether it's OK to fuck a pre pubescent child, I see that as just using them and manipulating them. I'd be interested to see if you had an argument for that.

(1/2)

>>57490169
>it should include mentally disable adults, people in physical, economical or social disadvantage, etc.
not my concern, if it's a disabled adult they would have a caretaker anyway. it would be pretty fucked up to have some grandma with alzheimers or someone who is unaware of what they are doing blow you though. equally fucked up if you manipulate them into doing it. i'm not going to go down every possible scenario of this with you as it's not what we are talking about.

>what criteria defines when you're can consent to publish nudity of yourself?
irrelevant question because it depends on the previous. if we are going to make pedophilia illegal then publishing sexually explicit nudity of yourself after you get older should also be illegal because the act of masturbating encourages pedophilia. before you make an argument about how that doesn't make sense because by that logic videos of people dying should be made illegal, no, that's different. masturbation breeds action. you don't just jerk it to kids your entire life and resign yourself to that and not want to do it in real life.

(2/2)

>>57490467
>>57490485

Please, tell me you're using a proxy.

Well, props to you for having the balls to openly defend this on public I guess

>>57475365
How long ago was this done?

>>57491016
you didn't read my post

>>57482412
Not all of them from the US. maybe a 1/3 which is doable.

They wouldn't need to do it themselves just send the info to local police and FBI to take care of it.

>>57475358
How many of those were actual producers vs. victimless crimes of downloading?

>>57486525
It means if you don't use Tor in a protected Linux VM with as many computer details (screen res, MAC address, computer name, hostname) as possible spoofed, you are easily identifiable.

>>57482412

most of them would die in prison

>>57491228
>MAC address
Really? They can do that?

>>57491148
>victimless crimes of downloading

Whenever you view the nude body of a child for sexual purposes, it's abuse. Simple as.

>>57491321
What if it's seeing your moms fatass on screen? Are we the victims?

>>57491045

3 years ago, the FBI report is from July 2013.

>>57491321
How so?
He wouldn't be influencing the child in any way whatsoever.

All I can think of is the South Park episode where the cop pretended to be a hooker

>>57475358
>it shows that as of August 2016, there were 29 unique child porn related sites on Tor-hidden servers

I'm no expert, but isn't 29 a strangely small number for this kind of thing?
Or are they talking about big and popular websites?
Or it's just those that the FBI is running?

>>57478559
>"being librul is worse than being a childfucker"

spoken like a true delusional.

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All the more reason to keep it to 2D.

>>57490467
>obviously an adult can [consent]
not at all. you can't really if you're drunk, or if you're being socially pressed for instance. even a grown up man can be theoretically raped. if the law included all the possible instances, as it must be, age of consent makes no longer sense, as real rape cases are already covered.

>>57490485
>masturbating [to cp] encourages pedophilia
come on, you know that's bullshit, if anything it would calm their urges. pedophilia diagnosis doesn't includes any psychotic traits, so a pedo is just as likely to rape someone as a non pedo. even more: technically, pedophilia isn't even considered a mental disorder, nor require any psychological treatment whatsoever.

despite that, i'm okay with the laws are they're nowadays, because our society clearly isn't ready for something more sophisticated.

>>57491568
loli can also get you arrested
but the establishment doesnt know about it so they dont actively track it down

lots of cases where a guy got sent to prison for chinese cartoons though

>>57491592
Almost always in those cases the arrested had 3DPD stuff mixed in there too, the 2D stuff was secondary to it.

>>57491607
false:

http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/exeter-factory-worker-had-indecent-images-of-children/story-29890123-detail/story.html

>>57491607
>Almost always
that makes your point moot

>>57491503

Don't know but there seems to be some confusion in this thread. The case with the 23 sites is in reference to an operation in 2013, this was possible because all the sites were hosted on the same server. The case in 2015 is unrelated to this.

>>57491662
Yeah, I know. I was just wondering about that particular part of the article.

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w-which CP sites were they?

asking for a friend.

>>57491642
why the fuck would straight shota count
thats basically when youre a manchild who likes pretending to be the boy

>>57491642
Hence the 'almost always'
Arrests for actual pornography are much MUCH higher than the strictly-2D arrests.

Either way, I don't see why 2D is such a problem for some. I can understand that it might 'motivate' someone to go into 3D stuff, but that's the point where someone needs to step in and stop it rather than just outright banning 2D.

It's like banning BDSM because a certain minority of people like rape roleplay with no safewords.

Name one (1) applicable use of the TOR network that is legal

>>57491450
>2013
Christ then these people probably changed addresses or got new computers or moved on.

>>57475358
This shit has been going on for a long time now. The FBI runs a lot of these sites(tor and non-tor ones), sites that see a lot of traffic.

They are(or were) just arresting/prosecuting the manufacturers/producers of the content. Helping children being abused takes priority over people on the internet jacking off to it.

But yes they do have records of everyone that visited and may prosecute them later. Also your numbers are off/don't include all of their operations. The number is closer to 25,000.

This is old news.

>>57491726
Using as a proxy to hide your IP and identity from hackers.

>>57491772
>Helping children being abused
they should publish the number of "children" rescued, instead of the number of wankers arrested. my guess: is Zero (0)

>>57491713
Because dudes jerking off to cartoons of naked kids offends people to the point that they decide to make laws against it (In the UK at least)

All they're really doing is just taking away a victim-less outlet for pedos

>>57491960
> Loli == pedophilia
Imagine being this retarded

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>>57491983
Not him but
>Fapping to sexualized drawings of anime children
>not pedo
Who do you expect to believe this? Serious question.

>>57492024
> Fapping to guro
> Not a murderer
> Fapping to traps
> Not a faggot
> Fapping to rape
> Not a rapist

>>57492038
> Fapping to traps
> Not a faggot
kek

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>>57492038
> Fapping to guro
> Not a murderer
> Fapping to rape
> Not a rapist
The only way you can be a murderer or rapist is to actually kill or rape someone. Pedophilia is an attraction, not an action like murder and rape.

> Fapping to traps
> Not a faggot
Arguable. Not similar to this. Loli is literally anime children or characters who have features of children. Again, who are you trying to fool? Who do you expect to believe this? If you showed someone this and told them you fapped to it, what do you think you'd get called?

>>57492086
You can be attracted to murder.

>>57475358
>Ublock origin for the hidden ads/WebRTC leak
>DNSCrypt
>Disabled javascript
What's the matter :^) friendo?

Libtards say "love is love" so fags and trannies can do whatever, then why is being pedo or fucking animals illegal?

>>57492038
> Fapping to traps
> Not a faggot

But traps aren't gay. I'm a faggot and definitely have no desire to be with someone who looks like a biological woman. At worst, it's some bizarre bisexual fetish.

>>57492086
define pedo. because technically is precisely a fetish, but MSM defines it as a child rapist, so you can fap to loli and not be a pedo in that sense.

>>57492110
Because they are working on it.

>>57491689
The article stated sites that were operated in 2013 so they are probably long gone.

>>57492124
Canada made dog fucking legal just a few months ago

fuck, youre right

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>>57492091
>mur-der-er
>noun
>a person who commits murder; a killer.
Again, to be a murderer it's a requirement that you kill someone. Simply being attracted to people being killed doesn't make you a murderer.

>>57492122
People attracted to prepubescence if you want to be technical, but it also includes hebephiles in informal contexts.

>>57492086
>Being this retarded, wew.
So why don't you get into a prison? You'll have everything you have now except freedom.
But it's not like you value your freedom, right? :^)

>>57492110
there's no comparison. so called pedophilia -actually hebephilia- is just natural in healthy, straight, human males

faggotry is just filth degeneracy.

>>57491983
Well maybe not quite all, but they still have an attraction to the physical form of children, which is why I'm saying it makes a good harmless outlet for anyone who has the urge to look at real kids

>>57492140
Did thy say specifically dogs or all animals?

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>>57492157
Great argument. Again, if you're fapping to drawings of children, anime or otherwise, most people are going to think you're a pedophile. The people who aren't are likely "lolicons" themselves.

>>57492143
lolis are basically an embodiment of superlative neotenic female traits, so yeah, i guess lolicons could technically be diagnosed with some degree of hebe/pedophilia.

>>57492236
They are hardly children. They have many adult features. Children don't have curves and hips like that.

It's literally a head of a child on a midgets body

>70,000 downloaders
>1,000 ips
>200 arrests
KEK

>>57492236
So fapping to furry is like beastialy?
You're really retarded :^)

>>57492255
60,800 of the other downloaders were various FBI

>>57492252
plenty of kids can look like that though. it doesn't just suddenly happen when they turn 18 years old

>>57492269
Fapping to animals is bestiality, yes.

>>57492287
And they aren't born with it.

>>57492287
16yo isn't a kid faggot.

>>57492307
>Believing furry = animals
You're pretty dumb, son

>>57492252

>>57492287
this. tits appear kind of suddenly, but hips are such a fundamental structure of the body that they have discernible female characteristics since at least 8yo. hips affect the way to walk, and the whole body posture.

>>57492308
No shit
>>57492310
In CP law it is

>>57492110
Because both consenting stupid conservatard

>>57492330
>What is age of consent
KYS :^)

>>57492405
do you mean 16yo porn is legal in america? where?

>>57492405
Something that's usually set at 18 in most civilized places

>>57492414
>>57492455
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America
You really are dumb :^)

>>57492455
>18
most of the world is set at 15-16. Even half of America is 16-17.

>>57492455
>>57492414
I actually fucked a 15yo who's now my gf in my country. But you're too retarded to even know what's a prime pussy is :^)

>>57492323
Yes, furry are animals. Are you a furfag or something?

>>57492504
what's the relationship between age of consent and doing porn?

you could legally shoot porn with 12 year olds in those countries where that's the consent age?

>>57492547
>Shifting 16 to 12
Sure cuck :^)

>>57492547
that's why the laws don't make sense

>possessing nude photo of 16 year old = child abuse
>going and fucking them good and hard = perfectly legal

>Yuropoors get to fuck 15 year old pure women all day while if you arent sharing a roastie with a black boyfriend in America youre a pedo

fug..

>>57476107
The police and military are some of the largest human traffickers, drug dealers and arms dealers. Deal with it, kid.

>>57476765
>Downloading CP in public
Only if you're a hot girl you can get away with this

>>57492794
Maybe he lives above a Starbucks or something, so he doesn't need to be in public to use a public wifi.
Or maybe he stays in a place where no one can see his screen, like a van, the back of the Starbucks, etc.

>>57480733
Please post your cp somewhere else faggot.

>>57476074
After the playpen debacle they didn't distribute. Once they took the sites, the actual porn links produced only errors and agency malware.

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>>57484029
This is a potato of an argument, but everyone makes it. The consumers aren't paying in any way, they create no "demand". Free market economics aren't responsible for it. Some people enjoy jerking it to kids. Its always been that way. It will always be that way.

>>57493237
MODS

>>57493297
This is also a potato of an argument.

>>57489750
rotor

>>57491228
what if you are running from a public wifi away from cameras (switching up locations if possible), through a vpn (hosted in netherlands, claims not to keep logs, bought with prepaid visa/tumbled bitcoin) through tor network to destination? Would using spoofed information + VM be necessary?