Elon Musk: Robots will take your jobs, government will have to

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>>57400106
This sounds like communism

>>57400106
the labour party in the UK, have been discussing a UBI, as it'll be inevitable, there'd be a minimal amount of jobs left for humans to do them.

>>57400153
You mean socialism? They're not synonymous.

Communism is much more extreme than a lot of people think: a worldwide society without property, states, classes or money.

>>57400153
How so? Automation of labor is the way the free market is moving.

Not sustainable with full open borders.
Just look at the welfare states in Europe, they are crumbling under the weight of millions of arab and african migrants who all think they will live in a mansion in some big city, and will recieve an endless amount of free money.

This faggot doesn't understand economics. Plain and simple.
If you subsidize people this way we might find ourselves in an overcrowded world, which is ten times worse than "robots taking our jerbs" and "gibs me monee"

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`>>57400169
>be in an artistic field
>people tell you to get a "REAL JOB™"
>these same people are going to lose their REAL JOBS™ to robots
>you won't lose yours

Look at us, WE have the real jobs now.

>>57400245
it'd be simple, only allow people who are citizens of a county to claim in said country, and it'd either be you become a citizen or GTFO, or it'd be you can only claim from the country your birth was registered regardless of immigration status.

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>>57400326
Graphic designer here. It would be the ultimate irony to see labour workers you know who have told you about getting a "real job" your entire career irretrievably losing their jobs to robots while you still get to keep yours.

>>57400249
Government spending is an injection to the economy. Just because government spends money (in this case with basic income) doesn't mean taxes will increase. You can cut other programs because taxes are a leakage. Government could also do other things to increase income too besides higher taxes. The point though is the fact people are gonna lose jobs in the future and it's kind of inhumane to throw people to the curb who onced contributed to society. Capitalism destroys itself but the post-capitalism world won't be socialism or communism but transhumanism.

It's not an outlandish concept.

The fact of the matter is, no matter what you make or how you price it, there are only so many people who will buy it in any given period of time. You don't want to be manufacturing more than that number, because the excess will go unsold.

The key about automation is that it allows us to make the same number of products while reducing the number of workers needed to do so. Effectively, manufacturers who are automating can meet all demand for their products while only employing and paying a smaller amount of people. As automation becomes commonplace, manufacturers are still fulfilling all demand for their products, but far fewer people are being employed by them.

Now, this becomes a real issue if those people who are no longer employed by manufacturers cannot find employment elsewhere. After all, the demand for those products produced with automation stems from people having money to afford them. If fewer people are working and have money to spend, the demand for those products will fall. Then, the manufacturers will need to produce less to meet demand, and downsize production. This will result in even fewer people being employed, further lowering demand and causing the cycle to continue.

A universal basic income stops this cycle by ensuring that the people who are unemployable thanks to automation still have money to afford a reasonable lifestyle and still contribute to the demand for goods and services in the economy.

The real question is where does the money come from?

>>57400249
Immigration would end once robots take over shit tier hard labour jobs. The only reason politicians accept immigrations (well here in the US that is) is because they are cheap as fuck labour. When they are no longer needed the wall will literally be built with a moat full of nile crocs. Robots actually might be the savior for nationalists of the US, Europe and Japan.

>>57400478
Europe immigration though for us Americans seems really weird. The Africans and Arabs seem to not work at all and just live a NEET life. I honestly think the EU politicians accept these shiskins based on social identity politics and not economics like American politicians do.

>>57400153
End game of capitalism really. If you don't do the UBI or something similar, there would be no jobs left and no money to spend on stuff to buy. The economy would halt. Where as small tax on robots, artificial credit system, would boost the economy.

Dam, we're running out of jobs.

As a middle school dropout working at wendy's at 25 this worries me.

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Are we-- are we really in late-stage capitalism?

Affordable sexbots when?

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>>57400528
What happens after late stage capitalism? Is the world going to switch to national socialism? Hitler too hated capitalism.

>>57400528
Communism will never happen after capitalism. Transhumanism is what will occur. Read up on it. Humans will effectually be to robots what chimps in a zoo are to us. We take care of chimps in the zoo with no return. Robots will basically run everything with humans taking a step back. This will really get going when AI intelligence surpasses humans because robots evolve insanely fast compared to any biological creature.

so fucking tired of hearing this fuccoi 's discount apocalypshit opinion on everything

>>57400599
you'll change tune when you're out of work when a robot takes it over.

>>57400579
Hitler provided slave labor to privately owned industry.

>>57400599

no worries, his job isn't immune either. he's predicting his own demise.

>>57400599
he isnt wrong about it though. Capitalism inherently strives for efficiency. Humans are inefficient.

>>57400607
i'll be fucking happy if robots replace 4000% of jobs, neet life best life

>>57400626
You say that now but ask any NEET on /r9k/ and they view their life as worthless. A job can actually boost moral in a human because they feel needed.

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>>57400565
Female sex bots would be assaulted full force by feminists. It would be attacked as an embodiment of rape culture, etc.

>>57400644
Though with the advent of VR coming now I imagine people will just hook up to it and never leave it.

>>57400626
The idea of living without having to have some sort of income for everyone will never happen. in fact, anti-welfare will become more of a thing as robots take over more.

>>57400658
Irony of feminism is that in the long run it pushes for a more masculine run society because feminism causes less births to happen because marriage and hookup culture are destroyed by them. The births that do occur result in more males being born because men are born more than women for some reason. This pushes more men than women in society. Now add in the immigrants from machismo and islamic countries which push for less women rights. Its like a cycle almost. You go through instances of hyper femininity to hyper masculinity.

>>57400697
explain how so? You are saying the people who have no job and no hope of a job outlook will become more anti-welfare? Those jobs aren't coming back, ever. Robots will cause goods to become cheaper (in theory) so the cost of living will go done so basic income in itself would be less than welfare is today.

>>57400440
>Government spending is an injection to the economy.
GTFO keynesianshit.
Where the hell do you think money comes from?

>>57400697
>>57400644
not my problem if people can't decide on what to do with their life if someone doesn't tell me

>>57400880
Government spending has a multiplier effect Ms Rand. Government can actually make more money back then it put in...you know how all businesses are run. we call those things profits in the private sector.

>>57400908
You make the assumption that what one person does with his life is only effecting his or her life, like we live in a bubble. If massive unemployment happens with no way to relieve how these unemployed people will live then you will have massive riots and anarchy which results in the downfall of the entire economy. BAsic income is tough to swallow but its better than anarchy.

>>57400930
i am not sure where i said i am against basic income or anything, i think you might be mixing up posters

>>57400326
I can't wait for the poetry based economy senpai.

It's not like creative works need to be popular or anything.
It's not like creativity is pointless in a world where every man and his dog is a painter full time.

>>57400326
Creating art will be overtaken by 3d printers. Acoustic music is already replaced by digital means. The robot voice box fixes all defaults in human voices which can lead to no human voice needed at all. Art is gonna die too because people wont need someone else to create art for them, a robot can do it by simple inputs by the person. VR is a good example.

>>57400326
>>57400398

Truly foolish if you think your profession can't be automated and or marginalized.

>>57401024
Those people probably have no fucking ideas about technology and what it can do i guess.

>>57400997
How can you be sure the AI paradigm of the future employed won't produce only same art?

>>57401024
>>57401041
>b-b-but muh human creativity guys I can never be replaced

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>>57400106
I fucking love going full welfare state

>>57400153
well, Capitalism evolves into Communism so... I guess we're seeing Marx's theories realize.

>The real question is where does the money come from?

it would have to come from the pockets of corporations and manufacturers, at a very steep rate. it would go back to the government, to keep the cycle going.

i guess technology would have to hit an advanced enough point that there would no longer be a need for workers then, so that the fat cats and producers would not be upset by the high taxation.

nothing else makes sense, otherwise if the gov continued to distribute cash then inflation shoots up

>>57400326
boy do i have news for you friend...

>>57400398
Don't worry, AI will be able to create designs far more beautiful than your 4chan-addled brain ever could.

>>57401100
no, it doesn't. Read Transhumanism. Marx never knew about robots or that they could someday become more intelligent than humans.

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required reading

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>muh basic income
this will surely work great with leftists open border plans

>>57401196
A technophobe in my /g/!
go back to /pol/

>>57400106
>....and people will colonize Mars.


Go back to sleep, Elon.

>>57401197
>leftists open border plans

It's the right-wing that opened the borders.

>>57400106
I still don't understand why we didn't automate 90% of factory jobs, it really would of been easy.

>>57401179
Art jobs already pay shit. If other job areas get eaten by machines with "arts" being untouched that will already mean more competition.
I wrote "arts" because as of now most art is shit and not artistic at all.

>>57401179
Everything is based on math. Equations can tell the AI what causes the human brain to release pleasure hormones from an image. Hell thats how pop music is made. Art isn't something that is outside of science and math like you hippie artists like to think.

>>57401241
Costs less to employ people.

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>>57401226

The NEET dream is getting closer...

>>57401256
Brain without culture is useless, there is no context. So how do you compute culture? What dataset would that even be?

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>>57401226
Would be cool to be able to post more reaction images at once.

>>57401226
In the US yes but in Europe I never see the Africans or Arabs doing any work what so ever. They are all welfare queens unlike the Latinos who actually do manual labor jobs dirt cheap.

>>57401226
>Implying David and Charles Koch aren't librul conspiracies

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>>57401274

>>57401241
>why we didn't automate 90% of factory jobs

You didn't?

Because we did.

>>57400106
But he's wrong.

We will all be artists. Because robots can not do art. And we will all consume each others art. For money. :^)

>>57401257
To employ immigrant labor yes. But the costs are being driven done for machines to takeover. Native borns are hella expensive with wanting salary raises, paid vacation, sick days and retirement benefits.

>>57401314
It's still the answer to why businesses do not go full automation.

Greed would have to end.
Ain't going to happen like you think.
The wealthy would find ways to kill off the poor so they could have more.
How hard is it to imagine all rich powerful people deciding they have enough money or power?

>>57401282
Krautchan has that feature.

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>>57401266
>>57401282
>>57401298

The EU open border policy is named after this Dutch right-wing politician.

>>57401309
not now but the thing about the future is that its never can be put off. Its inevitable.

>>57401280
I can assure you that not all "cultures" are equal in beauty. One man's garbage is another man's treasure. AI can easily tweak the equation based on individuals. I can fucking do it myself but knowing right off the back a nog sure as fuck won't enjoy Bach or Mozart but instead will enjoy some fellow hood nigga yelling "pussy, guns, muh dick" repeatedly.

>>57401306
>Because robots can not do art.
Retards actually believe this.

>>57401347
>Bolkestein
mmh

>>57401282
(4+4)chan allows you to post up to five images in one post.

>>57401266
>Clinton
>Left wing

It's funny when Americans pretend that they're not fat little children.

>>57400997
Acoustic music replaced by digital means? What? You cant make mathrock or blue grass without real instruments. Also the opposite of digital is analog, not acoustic

>>57401283
>in Europe I never see the Africans or Arabs doing any work what so ever. They are all welfare queens unlike the Latinos who actually do manual labor jobs dirt cheap.

The original "guest workers" did plenty of work.

It's their kids and grand-kids who don't work.

>>57401382
>anyone who doesnt want full blown communism under a one world government is a right winger
it just so happens that hillary wants something very close to that anyway friendo

>>57401381
It's also broken every 5 minutes and a sad attempt to be like 4chan, they have little original stuff to call their own almost all of it is borrowed from 4chan or another imageboard. Plus it's infested with redditors and normalfags.

>>57401367
It's trolling, you should be smart enough to know that you cant possible consume as much art as 8 billion people would need to produce to earn the money they currently do.

>>57401409
>It's their kids and grand-kids who don't work.

And don't forget the newcomers.

>>57401341
but that answer is getting less strong as years go by.

>>57401347
Like i said in other posts I have neever seen or heard of European immigrants ever working ...ever. I could understand wanting immigration for cheap labour but the africans and arabs seem to be allergic to labour. If they don't work then they are a drain on the economy which makes no sense for a Right Wing Capitalist politician. I can only assume immigration in Europe is something done by white guilt Leftists or Scots who think its funny to punish the English with shitskins.

>>57401306
>>57401367

I'll bet if you made a robot generate some random "art" and say it's from a famous artists people would pay good money for it.

>>57400583
That us if we don't become cyborgs/robots first, if we think about this from a utilitarian perspective.
Self preservation from obseletion will drive us to reach a compromise between abolishing rapid advance in AI for the sake of "humanity" and allowing ourselves to become chimps. The only out route is to become the fast-evolving computer creatures ourselves.

>>57401415
No she doesn't. She's a neocon in disguise, and if you think you're being 'mature' or 'moderate' by voting for her, you have no idea what you're getting into. Also, nice try on the communism thing. You have no idea what communism is.

>>57400153
And?

>>57401437
>I have neever seen or heard of European immigrants ever working ...ever.

Visit any random factory here in the Netherlands.

Chances are more people speak Polish than Dutch.

>>57401428
Pop music today. Computers are used to "fix" human voices. You don't honestly think Beiber or Rihanna have great natural voices right? In the future there won't need to even have a human to input a base voice for the computer to fix, the AI could do it itself.

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>>57401428

>>57401471
>Polish
They are EU citizens not just immigrants.

>>57401266
>corporate bought candidate is left wing
You do realize open borders have primarily affected the working class and not the globalist bankers that want them right?

>>57401471
>implying the poles are africans or arabs
They may not be white but they aren't one of those groups.

>>57401428
I don't need robots for art.
I go to the trashcan, pick up some shit and call it a day after putting it in a corner.
It's a representation of the sufferance of saharan feet washers women during the early expansion phase of the iticuacua tribe thanks to their discovery of spears in 1700.

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>>57400658
No, your not thinking about it right.
Sexbots are very pro-fem. Isnt emulation the highest form of flattery?
After all. Your not objectifying females, your feminizing an object.

why do artists believe this will be their rise to power when it's the philosophers that will?

>>57401428
((((modern art))) is shit m8. I could shove golfballs up my ass and shit them out on a canvas and that would be considered art.

>>57400440
>>57400910
Brazilian here, I'm calling bullshit on that one. Look my homie Venezuela, for example.

Not even in the most advanced countries your keynesian babble works, become an hero.

>>57401428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSHZ_b05W7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcGYEXJqun8

>>57401523
You think their will be a need for human thinkers when AI more intelligent than humans will happen? Also who pays philosphers? Marx himself never had a job ever. Rand lived on welfare too. Jesus was a vagabond.

>>57401496
>They are EU citizens

This all is in response to "OPEN BORDERS"

We don't have O{PEN BORDERS with Africa.
We have open borders with Poland, Spain, Gypsyland, etc.

But the Turks and Moroccans who the right-wring politicians imported in the 1970's also worked.
They were called guest WORKERS.
And while socialists complained about unfair competition, the right-wing cried "muh economic gains"

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>>57401468
If you don't know why communism is bad and doesn't work, you need to come back when you turn 18.

>>57401547
ORGANIC FAGS BTFO

>>57401486
When I studied artificial intelligence I had a professor who in his spare time made "AI music".....it was absolute shit.

>>57401539
Your nation is full commie. In a capitalist economy government spending like military and infrastructure boosts the economy and has multiplier effect. What you guys do is give every favela nigger free shit and neglect the infrastructure (your WC in 2014 had stadiums under built and a fucking bridge collapsed during it). Capitalism doesn't mean no government like the laizzer faire or anarchocapitalists fap to. Government spending is wholey compatible with capitalsim. Brazilian government is drifting to socialism and also your nation is run by shitskins which has alot to do with it being a failure and corrupt.

>>57401623
>the technology of your professor will stay static and will never improve which can improve the resulting output music.

>>57401494
>>57401547
>>>>>>57401607

>>57401428 got rekt

also
http://artsites.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/Emily-howell.htm

I can't believe Grey's video hasn't been posted yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

>>57401539
you are an idiot if you think socialism=Keynesian capitalism. Keynesian economics resulted because the WHITE 1st world had this thing called the Great Depression. It only got worse when govenrment went hands off so Keynes advocated for more government involvement either by fiscal or monetary policy.

>>57401655
Every stupid wannabe "Mature Adult" should watch this video before spouting tired platitudes. Automation is unavoidable, and so is UBI.

>>57401500
>the definiton of left wing is anyone who is a great person who isnt compromised and believes in full blown communism
sure thing comrade.

>>57400106
And then we literally kill ourselves after fully realizing the futility of life.

the distribution and management of the means of production are not technology.

anyway, related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvgdtF3y0Ss&t

>>57401704
Sex will also be replaced by AI robots. Women will fuck Chad robots with huge cocks, men will fuck Stacey robots with huge tits and Arts majors will fuck dragon and pony robots. Humans might actually go extinct because of it.

>>57401597
If killing innocents is bad, how bad is nationalism compared to communism?
also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune
Everything on the pic are examples of totalitarian state in red carpet.

>>57401753
You can't see how nationalism and communism are literally the same shit but one is more open? Communism is just nationalism of humans. Horseshoe theory ma man.

>>57401752
Robotic reproduction will be a thing.
Cybernetic immortality will be a thing.
Organic Human reproduction will be obsolete.

>inb4 overpopulation problem.

>>57401530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TOkjeVLKtA

Modern Art can be good.

>>57401778
>Communism is just nationalism of humans

That's anthropocentrism not communism you dumb shitter.

>>57401801
I just want to be a hyperintelligent immortal god-being, ist that too much asked?

>>57401091
>can't even figure how the brain works
>m-muh singularity is here cause this AI can take some extremely basic decisions!

>>57401822
Ask any commie college kid and their idea of what communism is is diversity and humans living together peacefully and all that nonsense.

> Govt taxes corporations even more
> Money gets distributed
> I get wageslave money while being a neet
Future's so bright I gotta wear shades

>>57401842
>basic
Jamal in 10 years your car (the one you stole) will be making a decision every millisecond on the highway.

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>>57401842
Show me how your brain works, smart human.

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>>57401583
>Gypsyland

>>57400106

I met Elon while interviewing a Tesla. If you pass you phone screen, and your onsight, you get a quick meeting with him. At least if your an engineer.

Holy shit that guy is intense. He comes off like a man on a mission, and possibly some drugs.

Didn't get the job :(

>>57402819
>>Holy shit that guy is intense. He comes off like a man on a mission, and possibly some drugs.
Considering the industries he's in, I'd say that's almost a requirement. Both automobiles and rocketry are deeply entrenched and stagnated to the point that newcomers have to be intense to the point of being a little crazy, otherwise they'll quickly be swallowed and forgotten/

NEETS ahead of the curve once again.

>>57400106
He's a hack.

If it will ever go as far as he predicts, it will still take hundreds of years. Robots are not anywhere close to completely replace humans in any field of work.

>>57400226
If nobody is working, and nobody can buy products there is no market.
Also a system where all property and industries are under direct government control is bound to stagnation.

>>57400326
Artistic jobs are going to be lost to robots too.
programs can already compose music and draw paintings and pictures without any human input.

>>57403137
>Robots are not anywhere close to completely replace humans in any field of work.

cotton jin, it replaced the job of the slaves and made them all unemployed. That's why they're all on welfare.
>government-will-have-to-pay-your-wage

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>programmer
The day robots take my job will be the last day of humanity as we know it

>>57402819
I'm at SpaceX and he used to interview every single applicant, not just engineers. We've gotten too big and now he's only involved in interviews for certain positions or groups within the company.

You're right though, the dude is seriously intense.

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>>57400106
>Humans looking to colonize mars in the next decade
>expect it to have a constant population of about a million people in the next 50-100 years
>ESA,NASA,BLUE ORIGIN and the chinese and indian space agencies also have sights set on the asteroid belt
>nuclear powered space engines in the works.
>Electric vehicles becoming more prominent
>Asteroid mining and lunar regolith mining actually being considered by major power companies.
>World heading into the direction of consolidation of power into several superstates.
>UN being given more and more authority over the world
>Now due to advanced automation the world may someday be completely dependent on the government for an "allowance" since there will be next to no actual jobs available on earth.

OPA when?

>>57403322
дa жoпa cкopee нacтaнeт, чeм OPA

>>57403229
i see there will be a tipping point where because no one has a job because of robots then governments would actually be forced to be efficient as fuck by advancing tech even more to reduce costs to zero. I have no clue how it could happen because the incentive factor for humans is still there for those engineers to make tech advance even more but once you get over that hill the incentive factor disappears because robots and AI do shit for free.We would have a world of /sp/ mods doing all the work.

>>57403322
When we say AI will replace all jobs we even mean government. As robots and AI are extremely efficient compared to humans that communist style allowance and approvals will be done in milliseconds and not months because all AI will be hooked up to each other.

>>57403452
Humanity will be a slave to AI and machines when it all ends.

>>57403423
It won't work because even if robots make labor incredibly cheap there is still limited resources so the government could not just cease all of the robots and factories from whoever already owned them and just distribute endless welfare to the whole country/world because even then the actual resources the robots use to make things would still have a value.
In order for this robot powered utopian welfare state to exist you need to be a post scarcity society as well.

>>57403488
This is dependent on AI being our government by passing human intelligence and because they are pass human intelligence they would rapidly get smarter and more efficient due to moore's law. AI would evolve faster than all of biological life ever could. The advance AI would create new ways and technologies faster and more abundant in 1 month than humanity ever did in its existence. Some of that tech could be machines that can fuse atoms to create different elements. Instead of finding resources they would create it.

>>57403452
>When we say AI will replace all jobs we even mean government.
While I have no doubt that an AI would be a leagues better and more efficient politician than any human, people would never willingly relinquish control of the government to a machine due not only due to issues of pride but also the numerous fears people would have regarding any number of possible complications, everything from the AI not having the welfare of the people as it's priority, not being able to comprehend nuances of liberty or simply the possibility of somebody tampering with the AI to do what they want it to.
Just because a machine can do something better doesn't mean people will use it to do that job.
Honestly that is probably why the chances of a fully automated workforce are just as unlikely since it would crash the economy and it's simply easier to avoid the problem to begin with than figure out how things would work.

>>57403257
That's a machine that still needs humans to be operated.

>>57403578
>people will never willingly relinquish control/freedom
People are for speech laws. People are delighted to give up freedom in favor of safety or free shit.

>>57403557
>Instead of finding resources they would create it.
And with that you passed logical hypothetical situation straight into pie in the sky baseless speculation.
What makes you assume that even the smartest of AI would be able to do that?
You are assuming.

>>57403603
>People are for speech laws.
Some people not all.
>People are delighted to give up freedom in favor of safety or free shit.
Trying to upend the entire structure of government in the country to give all power to a single machine is not something that everyone or even most people would be okay with, trying to force such a thing is how you get a civil war.

>>57403288
Any idea what SE positions are needed there? I'm imagining mostly embedded

>>57403613
I am assuming that greater intelligence equals greater engineering. Its a possibility simply because it occurs naturally by the sun and other stars. Insanely intelligent AI could find a way to replicate this artificially. For humans this seems crazy and unrealistic because our intelligence is nowhere near the AI's.

>>57400997
All your saying is the means of production for art will change. Art wont change however, even if you are making less decisions when creating it.

>>57403645
You are right in that way but like I was saying in other comments about super intelligent AI will probably just takeover regardless of our opinion. Like how liberals think they know better than others so think their laws should be implemented, well Super AI will be like that but because their ideas are based on computations and not FEELS they would be right.

>>57403662
Define art. Art is literally everything, be it a feminist queefing out her period on a canvas to the Mona Lisa. Robots could replicate this and actually create different replications with different differences to infinitum that it would be "art" for everyone because it created so many different styles.

>>57401024
For the sake of commercialized products, it can certainly be replaced. Art for the sake of expressing the human experience, can't however. Otherwise its the expression of a robotic experience, even if replication and imitation is the means at which it chooses to create "Art".

>>57403687
>AI will probably just takeover regardless of our opinion.
OH BOY
And how exactly would it do that?
Despite what Hollywood tells you nuclear launchs cannot be activated by a hacker since launch silos are completely off the grid and launched through mostly mechanical means, also there is not a army of kill bots waiting to be hacked into either, nor can factories, even automated ones be made to produce something they are not set up to make because of digital commands, no humans are going to sign up for helping the AI on the platform of enslaving humanity (taking over the world essentially be this if nobody is given a choice) since their is no benefit to them to do so., How exactly is an AI going to "force" people to give it supreme authhority over the government?

>>57403739
Your bias is showing. You somehow think humans are better at creating art then anything else. AI could create a math equation easily to pinpoint what each individual finds as "art".

>>57403774
I never meant in violence. Super intelligence would probably cause the AI to take over by making us willfully give up control through persuasion techniques or some shit. I mean smart people can make stupid people do their bidding willfully. This how politicians work by making people vote against their interest. The Super AI will just be better at it based on being smarter.

>>57401448
Wouldn't that shift demand to something that isn't so easily reproducible by robots though? A lot of art is about novelty, or at least hangs on the idea of novelty very heavily.

So a high in demand art piece could become a canvas of paint soaked hand prints, from a singular family, with the aspect of the family physically creating the hand prints becomes the selling piece of such art.

>>57403855
this thread has actually surprised me how many Arts majors lurk here. They are defensive that their job won't be replaced. Kind of confirms all the Apple threads are just them shilling shit.

>>57403888
It's really not that black and white. My line of work is software development and you'll typically find me on the defending side in apple threads (though there are some things they've done that are truly indefensible).

>>57403649
You're correct, lots of embedded stuff in avionics but we also roll our own ERP software, which is increasingly important as we try and ramp up cadence, so we have a lot of devs working on that. We also have some SE's running our data/simulation stuff.

There are actually a pretty wide variety of jobs available if you're interested.

>>57400461

>The real question is where does the money come from?

Money is ultimately food, water and shelter. The basic necessities of human life. Money only has value if it can provide you with these basic things.

As long as the state has farms that can produce foods that the state can give to the people at a surplus, this will let people trade their surplus food for other things they value subjectively.

>>57403736
>Art is literally everything
I'll go with your definition, I agree with it. I could say its one thing and then agree to it being something else as well. It is literally extremely vast and vague.

In that giant space I can definitely see robots acquiring a vast majority of the market share for "Art." To say that'll wipe out all human art though seems preposterous to me. I could see a marketable future art exhibit having the headlines "Human man and Robotic man shit in a bucket" in the future. To fill that niche though you'll need a human man.

>>57404036
>>There are actually a pretty wide variety of jobs available if you're interested.
I'm definitely interested but thus far all of my professional SE experience is tied up in consumer-facing desktop and mobile stuff with a bit of web app back end. I'd probably have to expand my knowledge and experience considerably before I'd fit into any of the available positions.

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>>57400326
Sup.

>>57400326
The only people that will be affected in the near future are the unskilled laborers.

Any intelligent/talented person will be fine for quite some time

>>57403801
>Your bias is showing. You somehow think humans are better at creating art then anything else. AI could create a math equation easily to pinpoint what each individual finds as "art".

I believe that there will be a market for human art even if robot art is "objectively better." Art for the sake of expressing the human experience, is just one facet of art. There is art about the creation of art or art of a woman queefing, whos meaning is lost on me. This huge diversity in "art" leaves room for human art jobs.

>>57404256
Fuck off

>>57404212
I'm not on the software side so I can't give you much helpful info but I would think some of our ERP stuff might be relatable to your experience since that is basically customer facing, although the customers in this case are internal. I know for sure we have quite a few game devs here and I'm pretty sure I've heard of mobile app/web devs working here as well.

>I'd probably have to expand my knowledge and experience
This is probably a good idea anyway.

>>57400440
>implying tranhumanism isn't inhumane

>>57400658
>male sextoys = rape culture

god help us all.

>>57404297
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmBU9iCjLvQ

>>57404457
I don't even want to know what that is.

>>57400106

Even if the US did the UBI thing, there'd be at least a third of the country who would refuse the checks - likely by burning them in public and recording it for YouTube - because they've been trained to think anything the government does is evil. (Ironically, those doing that "training" are the very people who want to be in or are already in government. Silly Republicans.)

>>57404594
its feminism

>tfw you won't get to experience the world turning into a NEETdom in your prime

>>57404624
Or because they believe that not working is immoral, no matter what.

>>57404624
You have to go back

>>57401192
Yes but Marx wrote that capitalism is a stage that moves toward communism. He wrote that Capitalism brings rapid advances and progress up until it reaches a point where it stops benefitting humanity and starts becoming its limiting factor. The effects of that last phase are just starting to be shown. Call it what you will but just because it comes from workers being replaced with robots doesn't mean it isn't Communism. Marx has been correct up to this point so far.

>>57404660

Same difference.

>>57400106
it's cute how everyone that is not mopping floors thinks they can be philosophers and politicians these days

He should leave the theoretical futurism to intelligent individuals instead of attention whoring with his shallow pseudo intellectual views

>>57403578

Moores law is economic in nature. Nothing else

And it's been breaking.

>no one in this thread of ~180 replies has actually proven his statements incorrect
get ready for UBI you fucking cunts :)

>>57404971
I take everything back I have said in tis thread. This anon proves there will be jobs for humans in the future. No AI could possibly shitpost as good as a Leaf or Aussie.

Barring any kind of catastrophe pulling us back to the stone age, it's pretty much a fact that automation is going to destroy most jobs.

The only questions are how fast it's going to happen, and what we're going to do about it.

What are some alternatives to UBI? Nothing against the concept personally, I'd just like to know what else might work.

>>57404019
how do you feel about
>dongles?

>>57400997
>The robot voice box fixes all defaults in human voices which can lead to no human voice needed at all
Nope. Miku is shit.

>>57400326
Hahaha your shitty "job" is already being replaced by neural networks right now.
The only job that won't be taken over for quite a while is programmers like me who built the AI.

Threads like these make me wish Douglas Adams was still around ;(

>>57405459
concentration camps, nuclear obliteration
pretty much anything to create scarcity again

>>57405459
The problem is that most people are useless and only consume resources. Today their work has at least some semblance of usefulness even though most of it are just bullshit jobs but still, at least they get paid for their "work".

If most jobs get automated, you really only have two options:
1. Pay they unemployed
2. Have less people who are unemployed (read: have less people in general)

Since a civilized discussion about limiting the number of people on the planet is impossible there's only option 1 left.

>>57400153
Shit, I've been saying that for years, now Musk kinda agrees with me and I feel validated.

When the entire GDP of the world as well as every functioning government will basically depend on a handful of robot companies, the people lose whatever little power they had left. There are exactly two options:
1) The government seizes the means of production before it becomes insignificant. Robo-communism ensues.
2) The government doesn't and becomes insignificant. Robo-oligarchs rise to absolute power and become global dictators.

>>57405752
>Robo-oligarchs rise to absolute power and become global dictators.

See, this makes no sense. If you don't give people at least something to eat and a place to live they will die and you'll be the grand ruler of vast nothing. Dictators like having power over people but if there are no people to be ruled what's the point?

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>>57405752
SEIZE
THE
MEANS

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>>57405570
Honestly it doesn't bother me too much. I rarely plug much of anything into my laptop. My desktop is a self built hackintosh tower with 10 USB-A ports and two USB-C/TB3 ports, and that's where I plug keep tons of shit hooked up. My 15" rMBP is for office/travel/couch use.

To me it at least partially defeats the purpose of a laptop if you have cables running all over the place and there's no reason to shoehorn a laptop into the position of desktop when you can just have a real desktop. Keep the laptop on away-from-desk duty.

>>57400153
No, in communism there isn't a government.

>It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.’ But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.

Everyone ITT pls seppuku

>>57405179
I don't think it is possible to prove his statements incorrect.

He is talking about the future, after all. If you know something about the future we don't know then please share it with us.

>>57405784

The point is to rule over an endless immortal empire of enslaved machines.

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>>57405788
SEIZE THE MEMES

>>57405941
I'm seizing this pepe.

Capitalism will work just fine, because accumulated wealth and how profit can be made by just shifting money™ around.
What is expected is more competition between workers forcing less workers rights, smaller salaries, less profit taxes and so on.
In the end the government™ will stop pretending that they give a fuck about their citizens and cease to exist, giving place to our new corporate overlords.

>>57400201
>>57405825

>1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
>2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
>3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
>4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
>5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
>7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
>8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
>9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
>10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

How can there be an income tax without money?
Who would seize confiscate the property of emigrants and rebels who is not a government?

Communism is actually extremely statist and I have no idea why people think anarchocommunism is viable at all.

>>57400106
There are people who think Elom Musk is smart even though he is getting divorced without a prenup this time to the very same woman.

>Everything is automated
>People need food
>Everyone is starving
>Government gets a fee shitty robots to make people food, water, and maintain houses and infrastructure
>Says fuck it, that'll do
>Everyone looses all their money and gets boored
>Government gives each citizen $1000 every three months to keep them happy
Why is this so hard to understand?
Get that money by taxing the shit out of every transaction by the upper 3% who are all acting like those posh fucks in Snowpiercer/hunger games

>>57406185
>Everything is automated
>People need food
>Everyone is starving
>The 3% convinces the Government that they will stop using robots, in return slavery is a thing
>Everyone is a slave.
Almost ALL dictatorial regime was born out of famines. If you think the government exists for the people, well you are wrong.

>>57405850
Actually you can, but no one in this thread has any sense of how to read studies or data and accurately apply them to his statements.

People have made contradictory views of the future all the time, and it's debated all the time, yet none of that debate is happening here because fundamentally Musk is on to something, and we have NO other solutions.

>>57400106
>massive influx in popularity of "local," "artisan," "hand made" good, etc etc
>some rich fag thinks I'll lose my job at distillery because automation exists.

Lel, how out of touch do you have to be with niche markets to think that small distilleries, breweries, artisanal crafts, etc will be "automated."

Kek, does he not get that all these rich tech yuppies are the PRIMARY customers in the craft[insert whatever the fuck you want here] industry?

>>57406410
Do you honestly think everyone losing their jobs to robots can just get a job making craft beer instead? Niche markets are just that: niche. There's not a lot of demand, and there's not a lot of room for growth.

I'm not even sure why you think he was referring to your niche market specifically. The bigger worry is manufacturing, shipping, and your other standard blue- and white-collar jobs. Those workers are fucked.

>>57406410

rich people will always find some dumb shit to spend money on

most of today's modern professions would look fucking ludicrous to our hunter-gatherer ancestors

>>57404050
I'm now imagining the first era of robot art being them just making fun of human culture.
Kinda like what we do.

>>57401509
I don't think you get it..
If men like it, it's sexist.

>>57400106
So here's my plan if all labor jobs become automated.
>longer education cycle
>everyone is paid a universal basic income
>money can still be made by science/art/politics/hard to automate professions, motivating a huge increase in technology and culture
>the singularity edges ever closer and becomes more and more true

>>57405941
seize memes of production

>>57400326

>implying art can't be automated.

>>57400658
Libfag in very left-wing uni here, have never heard any of my feminist comrads gripe about male sextoys. If anything, they would be glad that fucktoys aren't strictly the domain of women and that they can benefit from there not being as much stigma on them.

>>57400326
https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU?t=11m11s

>>57401752
Can I still fuck a dragon robot even though I'm not an art major?

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>>57400106
That sounds like a great idea.

>>57403246
What about novels?

>>57406325
Even in Australia where the second amendment isn't a thing we would 1789 so fucking hard there wouldn't be a scrap of the old system left.

>>57400106
no shit sherlock, we know this since the 80s

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>>57400398
>Graphic designer here

>make basic scribble
>give program parameters
>you are now obsolete

>>57400106
Musk is retarded, there's no point in having this debate right now.
The only jobs that are at risk of automation are ones that involve unskilled menial labour.
And to be completely honest, I really don't give a shit if some minimum wage monkey starves because he can't get a job, shouldn't have slacked off smoking pot all day in high school.

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>tfw working on designing and building machines that will automatize parts of the production line
>tfw harbringer of the future

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>>57400658

>>57408738
Robot monkeys with typewriters will take care of that.

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>tfw data scientist that writes automated programs like PDF scraping, web scraping, and database systems management which has prevented a business from hiring pajeets to manually do the work

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>>57408738
Pic related is someone just testing NNs.
You could easily do some reasearch into it and get coherent stuff.

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>Elon Musk: Robots will take your jobs, government will have to pay your wage

>Reality: Robots will take your jobs and you'll lost yours and have no money

why is he so fucking delusional?

Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode where all people could really do (as a job) is go on a bike and generate electricity for credits and sing

>>57406410
You are gonna lose your job though. RObots can distill liquor better than people. You somehow think humans are better.

What Musk says is quite obvious.
And makes you wonder why government keeps wasting money on inane bullshit insted of fueling technological advances.
Something easy to see is, if musk's or google's automatic driving shit takes off (supposedly at some point after 2020), all jobs in transportation will cease to exist. That's millions of jobs.

>>57410740
How is the government supposed to generate money, services without any money flowing through the economy due to no jobs?

>>57410749
>That's millions of jobs.
Who cares about taxi/truck drivers? They LITERALLY drive for a living.
Educate yourself or fuck off.

>>57405837
I have to take 2 economics classes at my school for engineering. I imagine its like this for all engineering schools. Musk knows about capitalism considering he is a fucking entrepreneur and hi business partner was Peter Thiel.

>>57410758
it would drive down costs for all items that need transportation though. your chicken tendies will be half a dollar less now because Bubba isnt getting paid to drive his 18 wheeler Piggly Wiggly.

I have no doubt that we'll see more social programs in USA when unemployment starts going high and labour force participation goes low. UBI will at least lessen the poverty gap but it may be naïve to think that the valuation of the currency won't change, to think that job wages won't change because of UBI

>>57410753
robots would make things cheaper so they income they do get SHOULD be enough. All those minority hires would have to leave. Bureaucrats would cease to be a thing too.

>>57410758
>Event that has incredibly important ramifications for the economy and inhabitants
>Who cares
Kek

>>57410753
The government can literally print money.
The whole concet of capitalism becomes a bit ridiculous in a post scarcity society though.

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>>57410758
>who cares about the most common job in many states of America

>>57410800
>important ramifications for the economy and inhabitants
It would have a positive effect on the economy and in turn, people who don't drive for a living.
The only people who would be negatively affected would be the drivers, and again, who gives a shit about them?

>>57410812
Humans are inefficient drivers though. THe super majority of all accidents are caused by human error in judgement or intoxication. Deaths would be non existent when AI driving finally gets perfected. You could also sleep on the drive to work especially those who work more than an hour away thus increasing your productivity.

>>57410845
Yeah I know that, but there's quite a bit of economic implications when millions of people leave the work force.

>>57410831
>It would have a positive effect on the economy
Hard to tell.
>who gives a shit about them?
You will when pajeet stabs you in the kidney for money.
You live in a fucking society, you're not unaffected by things around you god damn.

I think there will always be a demand for a "human factor" plenty of humanised jobs will exist still. And "authentic" hand made stuff will be in demand too.

There will inevitably be a lot of cottage industry, or smaller scale stuff. While the globalists have their robots, people will create their own new(ish) economy. Stuff like brewing craft beers, coffee shops, bars, restaurants, creating things like pottery, people creating clothing on smaller scales as well as creative media work.

Ultimately there will always be work, just some people will need to find a new way to work, though, i do feel UBI would be an essential safety net.

Then again /g/ is full of autists who will be happy to never see another B&M store, and order everything from AImazon

>>57410855
>You will when pajeet stabs you in the kidney for money.
That's what we have the death penalty for.

>>57410884
If the majority of people have no money then none of those small craft stores will exist either. Eveything is moving to consolidation. IAlso cafes and breweries don't need humans to make or sell their product.

>>57410855
Where in the world outside of India do you have Indians that are violent? The ones in America are pushovers. If you said nogs then yea it would be more believable since walking home from Uni I had some nog get an confrontation with a white construction worker over pulling his cigarette out of his mouth and using it to light his own.

>>57410891
>A punishment for after someone commits an act of violence negates the act of violence
Kek

>>57410894
Like i said, authenticity and 'human experience', would you rather be served by the cute bar/coffee shop girl or just hit a button on the coffee dispenser?

>>57410913
There will be no violence after a while since all the likely perpetrators will be dead.

>>57410947
O rly?
How has that been working out for you so far in the past many decades?

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>>57407054
Do you honestly think a robot could produce a masterpiece like Neon Genesis Evangelion?

Once everything is automated only the highest forms of artistic expression will remain (just think, in a post scarcity economy everyone is an artist, a poet). My guess is, as a direct result of this, rare anime will become the currency of the new world.

>>57410965
Pretty good, during the course of their lives, the average person will neither be murdered nor know anyone that was murdered.

>people still think technology will bring them some kind of everyone is equal utopia
I didn't know communists still existed, jesus. If large amounts of the population have their jobs replaced society will collapse, it's as simple as that. Who the fuck is going to want their allotted 500$ government pittance when the people doling it out are very obviously your masters and live a life fundamentally beyond you?

>>57410999
>That measurement of success
My sides.
Your proposal was that eventually no murders would happen, so what you actually need to show is a downwards trend, and show that other places without this law show no progress such trend.

>>57410986
Newsflash: Human brains are just molecular machines.
The distinction you make is arbitrary based on current techonology.

>>57411050
Right, but art is derived from the human experience. Can a machine engage in the human experience to be able to produce worthwhile art? Is it still a machine at that point?

To me I don't think technology could produce anything better than pop-art without essentially creating AI that lives much like a person does.

>>57410920
Robots can be made to look like a chick. Sexrobots are gonna replace roasties in fact.

>>57411050
>Human brains are just molecular machines
Machines which are very unlikely to be surpassed by anything artificial in at least the next 500 years.

>>57410947
so a world of just whites and asians.


>>57411066
Your Arts major Professor fed you some bull if you think the human experience means shit. Pleasure hormones are what make you happy. Its easy as fuck to calculate what shit will make individual people have pleasure from "art".

>>57411039
I misspoke, what I meant was that when mass job losses start happening, there'll be an uptick in crime because of people that are desperate, eventually this will return to normal as these people are killed off.

>>57411076
>500 years
why such an arbitrary number? Tech evolution is insanely fast. TV networksespecially ESPN had no idea that cable tv would be dying off. If multibillion dollar companies missed that imagine what else other fields in tech will be missed because no one could predict it.

Why does every thread in /g/ about AI end up being discussion about sexbots and android waifus?

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>>57411066
>Can a machine engage in the human experience to be able to produce worthwhile art?
Since we invented video, yes.
I'll ask you the following question, what's the difference between real life and a sufficiently advanced virtual reality game?
What's the exact "experience" requirement to produce art?

Machines, right now, in the shitty state of AI we have, are already capable of creating permutations of images based on concepts, and then repainting them on a given style, or a self decided combination of any of the mentioned.

>>57411106
4chan is a weeb site homey.

>>57411095
Well, unless you plan to go live in the hills during those years, that may affect you, so you should care.

>>57411103
>Tech evolution is insanely fast
Not in everything. Take fusion for example, decades and decades of research with very little to show for it. It's somewhat the same with robotics, people thought we'd all have personal robot assistants by the 21st century.

>>57411129
I'm willing to make the sacrifice.
Anyway, I'd like to see someone try and mug me.

Daily reminder that futurologists always fail.

>>57411148
You sound Reddit as fuck.

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>>57400153

All basic needs being met by technology/automation is a prerequisite for communism.

Under communism, people work voluntarily, not because they need to.

>>57411162
communism goes from a dictatorship to some lawless anarchy though. This will never happen with super intelligent AI because we will essentially be zoo animals for them. Our freedom will cease to exist. Also communism requires lots of killing.

>>57411156
Now cry.

>>57411182

I hate to say this, but that wasn't "true" communism, as the prerequisites haven't been met yet.

>A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which, out of economic necessity, restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution.

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>>57411032
Not to mention people think we will have bipedal robots walking around and doing human stuff, which isn't likely to happen.

The biggest problem for humanity was always overpopulation and now with the loss of jobs there is increased pressure to trim the fat, large swaths of the world population are not needed for us to progress but they still use large amounts of resources, land and pollute the planet. This is the sad truth that we will have to come to terms with.

>buuut population is declining
Yes, only if you live in a stable and technologically advanced society. Meanwhile in Africa in countries like Nigeria people will shoot out a 1000 kids for every one you don't have.

We don't need more than around a billion people, that should be the upper most limit. This is also fixes the problem of pollution, of scarce resources like drinking water and land, of not having a job or a purpose in life.

>>57411214
the thing is """"""True """""""" communism will never be achieved by humans because humans are the flaw in the equation. We are inherently lazy creatures and only do shit when there is an incentive. Very few people have a built work ethic that makes them almost addicted to work let alone manual labor. Also no human is gonna willingly give up power, which Marx said a dictaorship will be required for a time before the """""""utopia""""""" of no rulers happens.

>>57411240
What evidence do you have to suggest we're inherently lazy or greedy?

>>57411221
The Chinese are taking care of Africa. Its a god send in fact. They lack the white guilt so have no problem depopulating that continent.

>>57411221
There's no scarcity of resources, there's a lack of good distribution. Stop trying to justify some Orwellian eugenicist nightmare because you're seeing a problem that isn't there.

>>57411254
are you /pol/? if no then I have blacks as an example we humans are lazy. If yes well then I have no examples because your definition of "humans" doesnt include some races that are predispositioned to lazyness. But for real, we are lazy because no one is gonna work for free. We want something in return for our time and effort.

Anyone who supports the idea of a universal income doesn't understand how economics work. Prices will just increase as a result.

>>57411273
Something in return doesn't have to be the ability to live. You're thinking very narrowly.

>>57411273
Hahaha jesus christ.

>>57411214
Communism is a good idea that came too early in time and it created atrocities due to the lack of the needed technology and advanced morals and maturity which weren't there when it was first tried.

>>57411260
There is in fact a scarcity of resources, else you and I would a private airbus A380, we would eat healthy food every day and own a very large forest to hunt game. This isn't the case.

Explain to the fishermen worldwide why they can't go out fishing due to quotas.

>>57411287
>I understand how economics work because I watched a Youtube video and didn't fall asleep in commerce class in high school

>>57411291
How so? Animals hunt because in return for a good hunt they get food. All creatures do something because there is an incentive. In fact if they did not get food in return from hunting they would never do it because hunting in itself burns calories. Work is the same thing especially hard labor. If I am gonna bust my ass I want something in return.

>>57400106
every time i heard about this guy, he is babbling non-sense about stuffs he obviously has no knowledge about.

>>57411240
>Thinking the utopia won't be ruled by robot overlords and us monitored 24/7
Pffft

>>57411221
>communists still exist itt
>malthusians are coming out of the woodwork too
fucking lol

>>57411113
These machines cannot understand the sublime, they cannot produce true art. Your type of thinking is positivism gone mad.

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>>57411084
>Your Arts major Professor fed you some bull if you think the human experience means shit. Pleasure hormones are what make you happy. Its easy as fuck to calculate what shit will make individual people have pleasure from "art".
>implying intelligent stimulation is comparable to a simple endorphin rush
If art is generally too difficult for people to understand, as evidenced by many anons itt, what makes you think machines can do it?

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>>57411370
Alright Sherlock let's hear your grand idea on how to fix the world. Please spare me the flying cars and keep your feet on the ground.

>>57411305
>There is in fact a scarcity of resources, else you and I would a private airbus A380, we would eat healthy food every day and own a very large forest to hunt game. This isn't the case.
None of these things are anywhere near being necessities for life, or even reasonable luxuries. Don't be ridiculous.
>Explain to the fishermen worldwide why they can't go out fishing due to quotas.
We have a scarcity of fish, not food.

>>57411308
>If I am gonna bust my ass I want something in return.
In a post-automation society the work that does exist really won't involve much ass busting at all.

>everybody lets sit on this futurist rich guys big cock and worship his every statement

who?

>>57411382
>You're wrong because <subjective vague garbage>
Yeah sure

>>57400106
Daily reminder that Musk hasn't done anything revolutionary besides create Paypal, which is basically just another Silicon Valley startup.

>2030
>The only job left is that of "Professional Friend"
>Trained to be perfect friends
>People literally paying £100K a year to hire friends because the world is so digitized and cold

>>57400106
I'm studying marine biology, good luck taking my job robots! hehehe

>>57404256
People making Miku songs are artists. Miku never really kicked out any real singers but just gave people who can't sing a chance to make songs.

>>57411405
>We have a scarcity of fish, not food.
And yet you still have Chinese fishermen being shot at because they invaded international waters to fish, because chinese waters are overfished. It's a simple matter of human nature, everyone always wants more.


>>57411398
neccesity is the mother of invention

or in this case, the cure for retardation

we can EASILY produce ridiculous amounts of food and goods if we actually use genetic engineering to our full ability, instead we have 'organic' food being pedaled to the moronic masses who demonize the very science required to save them. The technology exists, it's not a question of that, once again this is human nature that is the problem. With any luck the machines replace us, we suck.

>>57411428
He did manage to start are really successful car company.
When was the last time that happened? 50 or more years ago?

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Call me when AI can create detailed paintings like these and not just some abstract art or something that looks like a photoshop filter.

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>>57405682
>The only job that won't be taken over for quite a while is programmers like me who built the AI.
lmao anon

are you personally coding AI? code monkeys around the world will be the first to go, even before the mcdonalds faggots

>>57411447
>It's a simple matter of human nature, everyone always wants more.
Or is it a simple matter of how we've developed in a society which incentivizes greed?

>>57411471
Soon comrade.

>>57411454
Not him, but I'll consider Tesla "successful" when it actually turns a profit.

>>57411273
>if no then I have blacks as an example we humans are lazy
Can you elaborate?

>>57411534
Australian aboriginals never even invented fire, that always gets a giggle out of me.

>>57411548
Are you implying that American blacks and Australian aboriginals are the same? There's more genetic and cultural difference there than a white american to a black american.

>>57411574
No, I am simply suggesting the existence of significant differences between the strata of what is commonly called humanity. That was the original point, yes?

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>>57411494
This really is some modern meta-physical obscurantist tripe. And how did society come to be that way, hmm? It wasn't some immaculate conception of evil, it is the consequence of evolution, the very nature of nature itself promulgates what you call greed. In reality it is the edifice of greed that is the social construct, not the other way around.

>>57411574
You are right. Abos make Africans look technologically advanced by comparison. Atleast Africans have huts and weapons. Abos couln't even do that, though this anon >>57411548
is partly wrong on the fire. They had no idea how to make fire but when they had it they used it to hunt by burning down an entire forest just to get at 1 lizard or koala. No humans or other primates compare to the retardedness of Abos.

>>57411766
>>57411548
This is racism.

>>57411454
tesla revenues

2013: -74,014,000
2014: -294,040,000
2015: -888,663,000


>really successful car company.
>really successful
>successful
>success

kek

>>57412080
it's called establishing the brand

you think Ford turned a profit day 1?

>>57400106
Ya and SpaceX will make it past the ozone layer ya keep dreaming