YDET - Yet Another Desktop Environment Thread

>>57398354
DEs are garbage senpai.

use a wm

>>57398354
>Definition of bloat and adding abstraction to what should be kept simple.
Explain yourself.

Linux is trash.
Install Aqua + BSD + Mach

as for DEs there, Pantheon looked quite nice.

>>57398437
>Install Aqua + BSD + Mach
Nigga.

>Definition of bloat and adding abstraction to what should be kept simple.
>It's still a Gnome continuation. Their philosophy in itself is destructive

OP tries so hard to sound smart.

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>>57398371
That's what I am thinking of doing. Looking for functionality and justworks™. With a good enough customized set up I don't think I would have to go back.
Looking for a dynamic window manager that is functional (easy to move around and edit windows, quick access to all my files and programs). I like tiling, but float exists because it's useful. Especially on a 1366 res laptop. I regret that purchase every day.
I'd also like the option to have gaps, because sometimes go full faggot.
>>57398387
>>57398459
This is old, but see pic related. The first few patches of gtk+3 were full of disasters. Their devs seem anti-loonix. I'm not a full freetard, but I think programs should be designed to do simple tasks and do them well. Gnome 3 IS too big. Alexander Viro has a good quote on the Gnome people.
>>57398437
All alternative OS are starting to look more inviting. Installing Pantheon is a pain in the ass and I don't trust the ElementOS crewd. How is the software landscape on BSD looking this day? Quick analysis feels barren. I might be a retard living under a rock.

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>>57398519

>>57398354
>gnome 3
ok high dpi scaling
>kde
buggy high dpi scaling
>unity
perfect high dpi scaling
>cinnamon
only partial high dpi scaling
>mate
see above
>xfce
see above
>lxde
deprecated
>lxqt
too early

>>57399861
this fag again

>>57398371
this

>>57399861
way
way
way
too much padding

unity is not that bad

>>57398354
>Focusing development towards tablets?
GNOME development has _never_ been focused towards tablets.

https://solus-project.com/budgie/

>>57400713
Jojo reference?

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Why cant we have a mashup of Wayland, bspwm, herbstluftwm, SailfishOS, and macOS Aqua?

>>57398354
KDE 3.5 is bretty gud.

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I like Xfce

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>loonix
how cute

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Have you tried CDE, OP? It *IS* the standard.

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>>57400858
Jesus Christ how terrifying... But I want to see it happen.
>>57400758
Okay, touch screens, fuck me right. Touch screen is synonymous to handheld devices for me.
>>57400895
If we could roll back the clocks to a better time eh?
>>57400926
This does looks sane, simple, easy and functional. Easy on the eyes too.
>>57400938
>Piru Sintonen
My nigga
>>57400943
To this and the one above, most of us aren't nostalfagging that fucking hard though.

Still looking for a dynamic WM with a sane/easy taskbar configuration.

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>>57400979
>nostalfagging
Its still in use in commercial UNIX.

Nostalgia would be OPENLOOK/OpenWindows.

>>57400938
>Takes picture with his phone

>>57401043
not my picture, saved it from yesterday's desktop thread
I guess it's easier to just use a phone if you shitpost from one

Retards who complain about """bloat""" need to fuck off for good.

And now we see why desktop threads were banhammered.

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>>57401008

>>57401085
They were? Fuck I've literally been living under a rock. That's a good thing. Also meant why "DEs suck and what are less sucky alternatives".

>>57401085
Wasn't there one yesterday?

>>57401134
calm down anon. I personally use XFCE with Compton, not on my laptop right now. I really want to give KDE a chance but the lack of proper ricing is making it extremely harsh on me.

>>57400938
what DE is that?

>>57401259
Workbench

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>>57400979
Think about it.
>Just werks™
>Mission Control
>Souped up multitasking
>3D interactive windows
>intuitive touch gestures controlling god tier frame splitting and highly scriptable hybrid tiling

>>57402018
forgot to mention VR

>>57402018
>>3D interactive windows
No, disgusting.

>>57402018
Ew, what the fuck is that

It looks horrible

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>>57402064
>>57402083
It's a meme you dips

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>>57398354
Do. Not. Do. That.

I strongly encourage you to contribute to KDE and fix what you think needs fixing. They are awesomely open compared to how it was in KDE 4 days. Small tweaks I've noticed already done since 5.0
>better font rendering
>less fuckhueg calendar
>cashew finally removable
>more complete icon set
>many tweaks to taskbar
>tray icons finally don't scale to gigantic proportions with taskbar but have capped max size FUCKING FINALLY
>flattening menu finally actually flattens it to one level

Things that need polishing
>stop dolphin littering .desktop files ffs
>faster thumbnail re-read
>better live thumbnail scaling
>tray media player control has to start instantly

those are only grievances off the top of my head and I personally am determined to fix that .desktop file crap and implement some kind of hashtable instead.

everyone should contribte to KDE because it has most potential & flexibility and because it already serves as intermediate step for many projects like LxQT

>>57398354
I quite like budgie, and it doesn't require systemdicks (unlike unity and gnome, the latter which, with a few patches, no longer does). Despite using vala, the head dev has had enough of it and is going to rewrite the vala code to C.

>>57400895
>>57400979
>If we could roll back the clocks to a better time eh?
But you can. Trinity = KDE 3.5

But why stopr there. Why not install KDE 1.1.2 while at it?
http://www.heliocastro.info/?p=291

>>57402164
>>stop dolphin littering .desktop files ffs

What do you mean by that? Did you mean the .directory files it uses to store per-directory view settings in (if enabled)?

>>better live thumbnail scaling
They actually broke that completely in the Plasma 5.8. Thumbnails on the desktop are now pixelated...

>>57402164
>Do. Not. Do. That.
What do you mean? Is it a bad idea to use a WM exclusively?

I'm not OP but I'm also bored of this shitty DE. I don't want a DE actually... I'm just using one because it's installed in noobfriendly linux distro.

>>57398354
Arch and Gentoo wikis are great at explaining XFCE ricing, if you can't even find a guide I doubt you could be able to rice anyway.
The best advice I have for you my cancerous friend is to go back to windows.

>>57402164
I agree with the weeb.

>>57402164
But Linux is not a desktop OS, why would it need such tweaks?

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I've played more video games on my Mac than I did on my gaming PC, desu.

>>57402417
My dual head workstation running a riced Gentoo installation disagree with you.

>>57402474
How does running a server OS useless for a desktop OS and retardedly "riced" for desktop use disagree with the statement?

Honestly Unity and XFCE are the only real options to me, with KDE looking very promising sometime in the future. The rest are just garbage and feel very unfinished.

>>57402506
Fuck off, Linux is not a server OS.

>>57402506
Linux is a kernel, not a server OS.
Said kernel with GNU utils and a desktop environment is a desktop OS.
Said kernel with a JVM and some shit can be a phone OS (android).
Said kernel with a command line can be a server OS.

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KDE IS NOT BLOATED, STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>57402578
I think it was the exact opposite, KDE was good, specially 1.x and 2.x, 3.x was OK and then it got shit

>>57399083
Are you blind, or just on an 7" 4K tablet?

>>57400740
Unity is terrible

>>57402682
>m-muh amazon meme from 2 years ago

>>57402667
13" 276 ppi

>>57402702
>13"
You poor bastard.

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>>57398354
LXDE is great because I prefer my desktop to look as minimal like pic related, and the others can't into it

The desktop is dead. All you need these days is a web browser.

>>57402812
t. neet

>>57402295
>What do you mean by that? Did you mean the .directory files it uses to store per-directory view settings in (if enabled)?
Yes, that piece of shit exactly. I'm thinking simply creating
{path:flag}
hashtable where flag is just normal integer and stash that in ~/.config. then use some linear time search function to go through it every time any folder is opened in dolphin. for starters.

>>>better live thumbnail scaling
>They actually broke that completely in the Plasma 5.8. Thumbnails on the desktop are now pixelated...
Good! That means they are doing something to it already. Move fast and break things. Just tested and can confirm.

>>57402589
no bloat

way too many fucking options

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>>57402164
? I know you are referring that implication to my "attitude" but it also shows you're being way too standoffish. Thanks for the offer, I'll look into contributing somewhere when I have less work (read: study x study or p2p). And if WMs work better I'll damn well use them until someone with more time and focus pops out a better DE.
>>57402189
Well that's a definitive bonus. Just look at that guy who broke his Oobontoo when going up from 14 to 16.
>>57402310
I am you anon and you are me.
>>57402339
I am on Windows sadly (desktop). Once I fix my laptop gonna roll Linux though, because it's better for building up my Emacs. Best environment I've used for LaTeX. Also thanks for the advice Anon.
>>57402580
Thank you Stallman, I appreciate all the hard work you are doing for us by eventually bringing True_Freedom™

clueless post coming thru

>>57398371
desktop enviroment != window manager?

what, i thought it was just a new synonym that ppl got to using on current times

i looked vector linux up and its light weight version uses either
LXDE, Openbox, IceWM and Fluxbox


woudl this IceWM be what you re looking for OP >>57398354
http://www.icewm.org/
>IceWM is a window manager for the X Window System (freedesktop, XFree86). The goal of IceWM is speed, simplicity, and not getting in the user's way.

icewm-1.3 2013-11-17
details
1.3.8 2013-11-17
1.3.0 2007-01-22

>released in 2007

i wonder if it works on today's distros, hasn't there been some major changes in linux in general with systemd and whatnot?

>>57402964
DE is a package of software of which the taskbar, panel, and window manager are a part. You can have a DE without its default window manager. You do not need a DE but you need at least a window manager. A window manager is responsible for making sure that programs can have their own windows. You could not compute without it.

>>57398354
I think lxqt has potential to be kde without the bloat.

>>New hipster DEs
>Teach me about them pls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09TWuTKk0Bs

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>>57403086
>Qt without bloat
just

>>57398354

all des are shit, as are most wms, the only way to salvage ganoo/loonix on the desktop is to find a configurable tiling wm and accept that it's going to be a bitch to swap to because all other forms of desktop management have trained you in bad habits

not that I can take my own advice, I'm still clinging to the broken bloated buggy mess that is kde that consistently finds new ways to make me shake my head at the sheer and utter brokenness of it

>>57400938
At least it does not have any bloat like Linux

>>57403243
So DWM? Jesus Christ now that's terrifying. Imagine that the suckless people are actually right and not just super spergs stuck in their hacker days.
DWM seems interesting, I'm just a total noob at C. I'm only implying the people at cat-v and suckless are just kinda crazy.

>>57401161
does shadow on panel only work if on top? mine isn't working which is odd for compton.

>Complaining about bloat

I think you have bigger issues to worry about when you're using a laptop from 2008 if "bloat" is an issue for you

I just tried out Gnome for the first time. Holy fucking shit, why does anyone use this? Was this even intended to be used on PC's?

>>57405609
i almost vomited the first time i tried gnome 3

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>>57405609
>>57405977
Used the term bloat wrong earlier (Gnome 3 is still bloated fucktards fight me) but that's basically what I meant. UI cancer. The very presence of the Gnome 3 interface becomes a part of your browsing experience whether watching videos, browsing on the internet or basically doing whatever. It never gets out of your way. And that's particularly grating when you don't even agree with the design choices its creators made.
Also what is this gestapo gulag shit going on? Tons of "inflammatory" posts getting deleted. The new mods are simply ebig.

>>57398354
>bloat

You don't even have to use a DE. You can use a window manager like Fluxbox or Openbox by itself. This is infinitely less resource intensive, and still practically functional.

I just use openbox I don't even do that much with my PC and I don't see a reason to use a DE

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Does anyone know of any icon themes for Linux that have that 8-bit or pixelated look of early PC graphics?

Preferably something original, but I guess a re-packaging of old icons for Linux would also be cool.

Note: The "look" is the key term here. Obviously the whole "flat" look of modern graphics could easily be done in 8bits, but that's not what I'm talking about.

>>57408382
use CDE

>>57408447
Looks pretty cool. Do you know if it's ever been packaged up for GTK? I can't fine it. I can't even find a download for the icons in any format.

>>57408382
Linux is a kernel. It doesn't display icons.