E5 1650/2670 used vs i3 6100

>>57387667
Always buy new so that you can give based Intel your money directly and fund future processing improvements!

>>57387685
But I want to save my shekels

>>57387667
$60 AMD mobo
$100 cpu
and you now have better performance for cheaper
you're welcome.

>>57387789
>AMD
>better

>>57387700
Intel will spend them on something more productive than you will, stupid goy.

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the E5-2670 has a great price-performance ratio. I looked at used X79 boards and since they are very overpriced I ended up asking my local Supermicro reseller about their X9-series boards, got 50% off retail price for a new motherboard.

>>57387808
If I spend $50 more bucks for an i3 I getting a better upgrade path. AMD is a dead end until zen.

>>57387889
>upgrade path
Who the hell upgrades his CPU without upgrading the motherboard too?

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>>57387887
Can you order refurbished from their website? Any info on the board you ended up with? Did you need special ram or does regular ddr3 work fine?

>>57387927
Buy a used i5 or i7 later and pop it in

>>57387980
So you spend $120 for a i3 now and then in a few years pay $200 for an used i5 or $250 for an used i7 when you could just buy a i5 for $250 or a i7 for $350 right now?

>>57387961
you should ask the resellers in your country, that's what I did. my local reseller also had refurbished stuff for sale. I don't know if supermicro directly sells such items.

my board is an X9SRE-3F with IPMI and a SAS controller. takes either unbuffered non-ECC, ECC, or registered ECC memory. I have registered DDR3 ECC (RDIMM) memory which I bought off ebay. I can offer you this advice: if you end up with a supermicro board, only buy memory which has been tested to work.

>>57387667
E5 1650? Thats 6c12t @ 3.5 Ghz haswell.

Compared to the i3 6100, that haswell is tons better.

The E5-2670 is 8c16t version, which might be good for artificial works, but due to the low clock, in gaming, it might not be beneficial.

I think the E5-1650 would do you the best if you can get it cheap.

If the clock rates and number of cores are the same, what are the main differences between an i7 and a Xeon?

>>57388135
ECC/instructions/socket/(possible lack of igpu)

>>57388114
Pretty sure OP is talking about sandy bridge xeons since he didn't say v3 and is talking about x79 motherboard.

>>57388114
they are both Sandy Bridge-EP. you are probably thinking about the 1650v3. the 2670 has a 3.3GHz turbo boost clock for 1-2 threads, so it's not useless for gaming.

>>57388135
Xeon supports ECC, multi-CPU setups and other server goodies.

>>57388135
The ones I am looking at are old models from decommissioned servers, so they are very cheap compared to a new i5/i7

>>57388187
I thought v3s worked on x99 not x79?

>>57388226
yes, that is correct. there is no haswell (E5 v3) for the x79 LGA2011 platform I believe.

>>57388187
>3.3 Ghz for 1-2 threads
Still pretty weak.


http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E5-2670-vs-Intel-Xeon-E5-1650-0/m18501vsm7093

Here's a benchmark between the two. Once it hits 6core/12t, the diminishing return has hit hard and there will be very minimal benefit (assuming same clock). However with 6c at higher clock than 8c by ~20%, its going to be much better at games that reach that multithreaded diminishing returns. For the games that aren't well threaded, the 6c's higher clock will do much better as well.

>>57388247
I think the v3s are much more expensive, but the motherboard selection is much better. Does ddr4 make a significant difference than ddr3?

>>57388346
only in synthetics and some games

>>57388346
For the most part, not really. But Haswell does beat sandy bridge by about 15% clock for clock.

>>57388308
yes, I agree that the E5-1650 will be better for single-threaded tasks and gaming, but I was merely pointing out that the 2670 is fine for most games. if you're the type of person who seeks the most FPS out of the newest console port games, you'd probably not look at used 6-8 core Xeons anyway.

>>57388346
I too thought about getting an E5 v3 Xeon and X99 motherboard, but the processors are still too expensive used, so I went with the 2670.

>>57387667
No, you don't need a Xeon to play your games.

>>57388410
Still, with OP asking for gaming/streaming, I think a good compromise CPU would be the 1650 because of its good gaming capability ontop of the 6c12t being able to handle encoding efficiently.

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>>57388308
Forgot to mention that the 1600 series is unlocked. Bench shows mine running at 4.3 but it`s actually at 4.4. Dunno what that`s about.

>>57388452
I know. It's just they can be had for cheap and then it would be better for multithreaded games.

>>57388466
fair enough. I overlooked the gaming part of OP's post. the reason I went with a 2670 instead of a haswell/broadwell 4-core CPU was mainly virtualization. still, I occasionally play games also, and I have no complaints so far.

>>57388490
You can also buy other things for cheap. You could probably have a Haswell i7 setup for 200 or so bucks.

>>57388469
Then it should be a no brainer for OP.

Get 1650, OC to 4.4 or close to it. It will be miles better.

>>57388469
>>57388527
I'll add, if OP is planning to OC, then he should definitely not get a supermicro server board like I did >>57388061

>>57388527
Only issue is getting your hands on an x79 motherboard for a reasonable price. Usually got for 200$+ on ebay. Can get good deals at the expense of risk they don`t work, or can`t be made to work.

>>57388550
Yeah, supermicro boards are strictly for servers. Need an x79 motherboard.

>>57388581
well, not strictly for servers, I use that server board in my main PC. I just added a sound card. no overclocking with these though.

>>57388518
A haswell i7 still costs $300 and that is without a board.

>>57388581
Oh

If OP doesn't have the readily available motherboard access, then it will be a tough one. Most of the x79 mobo are expensive as fuck. The cheap CPU you get will be offset by the super expensive mobos.

hope you will enjoy your electricity bill and all new shit lagging due to lack of CPU instructions/HW acceleration/decoders from the past 6 years.

>>57388635
if that's true, then how are my ancient Core 2 Duo and Pentium 4 machines still usable?

>>57388671
>my ancient Core 2 Duo and Pentium 4 machines still
Literally less efficient than Bulldozer.

>>57388635
It launched in 2012 and was discontinued in 2015.

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>>57388601
To be fair, you could make a blade server a daily driver if you really wanted.

>>57388610
This is only half true. If his budget only supports something like an i3 6100 with an h170 motherboard, yeah there is a bit of a price gap there. You CAN get motherboards cheap enough, but it takes a lot of digging, bidding, and long distance troublshooting "broken" motherboards. I got my p9x79 pro for 125$ All it needed was a bios chip.

Figure 200$+ for an i3 6100+h170 mobo, an e5-1650 v1 goes for 60$. Even at 200$ for the mobo, he`s only gonna pay 60$ more for stock 4790k single threading, and the same multithreading as an e5-2670. The money is well worth it.

Mine is a 1650 v2, so it`s a little faster, the big thing is the die shrink for better cooling and efficiency. Those will cost quite a bit more, but I got lucky again with the cpu. For the cost of a modern i7 I got the CPU and Mobo. Performance can`t be questioned, though.

>>57388602
That's ridiculous.

>>57388874
I would have upgraded by now otherwise. I'm on a i5 2400 but jewtel really fucked the prices both new and used. If Zen is any good I'm jumping ship.

>>57388813
Correction on the price for the 1650, apparently it`s upwards to 100$. Still not bad for what you get.