FIREFOX IS EATING YOUR SSD

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>He fell for the SSD meme

Chrome does the same.
In fact, chrome writes a lot more data to disk than firefox.

However, on newer SSDs this isn't a problem.

>>57370228
>We are testing other browsers. Currently in the middle of a Chrome Version 52.0.2743.116 m test. We have been able to see a pace of over 24GB/ day of writes on this machine

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>>57370228
>FIREFUKS RUN BY SJW DYKES

what did u expect?

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I hope that's enough to disable it, I don't even use that feature. I set the interval to a high value just in case.

>>57370400
>Using SJw
>Beeing this gay

>>57370228
I was actually in the mozilla IRC when this "bug" was first pointed out, the devs don't consider it a bug as it writes well below the daily write limit of a modern SSD.

>>57370408
Welp
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1176874

>>57370228
>idiots spread FUD on /g/ - 2016 edition
go away

>>57370400
>firefox devs disagree with me on a couple of non-technical issues, how dare they?!?

>>57370408
enjoy losing your active session if the browser crashes

>>57370228
>windows
lol'd

I write over 40 GB/day to my SSD and I don't even use Firefox. Remind me why the fuck I should care?

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All browsers do that. Chrome actually it's worse. At least you can configue that in Firefox

browser.sessionstore.interval

(specify in ms)

>>57370228
Dumb Chrome shill..

>>57370450
>I don't even use that feature

I don't even restore stuff in the rare instances where it crashes so I don't care.

>>57370400
checkd

>>57370449
it's all linked tho

SSDs have a lot to eat.
The limited writes meme has gone on WAY too fucking long.
Yes they have limited writes, the same way a fan has limited turns.
Better turn your fans off and let your shit run hot to save your fans!

>hiring college liberals instead of real developers

gee i wonder why this is happening at mozilla

>>57370432
>Using SJw
These worthless troglodytes have spread everywhere since /pol/harbor.

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>>57370228
>Firefox hasn't even integrated Servo into it yet
>Firefox farms your data more than Chromium
>Firefox isn't fully FOSS
>Firefox places DRM in it's browser

This is the end of Mozilla. Chromium is the best, launch it with --no-background-networking and try using Wireshark to see if it has buttnets, it has zero connections to Google, Google Chrome itself is beyond repair and should be avoided though, also tweak the shit out of your settings on Chromium, if you want to have all the privacy by default use INOX patchset along with ungoogled-chromium

>>57370500
STOP BRINGING POLITICS INTO THIS

>>57370495
>SSDs have a lot to eat.
this

I've been hammering my SSD with 40-50 GB/s of writes for a few years (since I got it) and I've just barely used up 1.5% of its advertised minimum P/E cycles

Even if it dies, who gives a shit? I have a 10 year warranty on it, so I'll just get a replacement for free.

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>>57370479
Am I doing it right

>>57370450
yeah. those 3 tabs i leave open are gonna be a fucking bitch to get back the 5 times a year a browser crashes.

>>57370516
Don't even bother replying to him then. It's just like tripfaggots back in the day. If you don't give them responses, they'll take their shitposting to somewhere will they will get responses.

>>57370522
Idk, I want my session to be kept, I have 100+ tabs open, but if I lose the last 3 or 4 tabs I don't care. I think 5 minutes is a good balance.

>>57370546
I don't leave a lot of tabs open anymore, I used to years ago.

>>57370516
are you saying that all the non-developer "community" bullshit people that they hired has no effect on the product?

>>57370546
>100+ tabs open
>having more than 10 tabs open at a time when you're not masturbating
you're a fucking retard

>>57370228
why don't these SJ*Ws just switch to a log structured session file? nobody is going to give a fuck about using a few more MBs if it cuts IO drastically.

>>57370588

Stallman is a non-developer. He has been one for decades now, he's been purely an advocate. Are you saying that is not important?

>>57370598
You seem to be the retard here, not being able to keep track of more than one tab.

>>57370624
>Are you saying that is not important?
yes thats exactly what im saying.

>>57370228
It's posted here half billion times.
>implying any browser with session restore feature don't do this.

>>57370529
>3 tabs
wew lad, come back when you have 100-200 tabs open

>>57370650
>implying it matters for any SSD

>>57370647

Then you are a massive fucking moron. Without that, you don't attract more users and developers. Google spends shitloads in advertising.

>>57370546
>>57370651
What the fuck do you have 100+ tabs open for?!

>>57370598
That's just how some people are. They actually use their computer for things other than whacking off and using 4chan.

>god, I hate every single fucking browser in the market! why do they all suck so much?
>gee, I wonder why everything's converging into an app and away from web pages!

/g/ everyone!

>>57370698
not him, but if you have a decent computer and a decent tab manager, there's really no reason not to. Who the fuck cares if your browser is using 6gb of ram when you have 16 or 32?

I usually only have like 10-20 open, I can never get myself to just let go, say "fuck it" and leave tabs open all the time. Whats kind of funny though is that I have currently have 65 tabs open on my phone, and that doesnt seem to bother me at all

>>57370683
>Without that, you don't attract more users and developers.
you have no way to quantify that and you have no way to quantify whether hiring activists would be more cost effective for people to buy your free product (lol) than it would be to just have a great product in the first place. kill yourself.

>>57370446
>fud
it really is an issue across all browsers (if edge has session restore it suffers from the same illness, i didnt test it though)
it would be great if some kind of shared memory with a session storage process was implemented, one that would write only compressed diffs onto the drive and on regular intervals, instead of on page loads (this has the advantage of on complete browser crash it could resume after load flawlessly, power cuts would still revert to last cold stored state)

>>57370228
it's fucking over

>>57370698
All my social, email, etc are pinned. Multiple chat conversations with different people on VK also open (no reason when I receive a message from the to navigate, I can just type their name in addressbar and Firefox will suggest me to switch the tab), different searches and resultsthat I'm currently interested in, some websites that I usually frequent, and I'm currently sitting with 4 windows open and 100+ tabs. Not including the private window in which I'm browsing 4chan whch has 12 tabs open.

>>57370751
Just having a great product is not enough in a capitalist system. You need marketing. There are great little pieces of open source software out there that simply always fail to attract attention because they zero publicity. I have ways to quantify that because marketing isn't black magic, it's a science. Companies thrive or die on that. One day you'll be over 18 and you'll have a clue about that.

>>57370729
chrome is literally the perfect browser in every single way, its the fact that its developed by google that turns people here off.

although idk what /g/ expects, you are not going to get a foss, small-dev team, independent passion project that gives the same performance as chrome (or even edge or firefox), but with none of the privacy/spying/etc drawbacks. Its just not going to happen, it never has happened, and it never will happen. Motherfuckers need to make money.

If a small team could make a browser as good or better than one of the top 3, they would just immediately be given jobs at google, microsoft, etc for exponentially more money, or their project would immediately be bought off of them for millions, hundreds of millions, or possibly billions of dollars depending how good it is. And I dont care how ethical or morally sound you are, there isn't a person here who wouldn't sell their product/soul for $100 million. Not one.

>>57370767
>FUD
>Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt
It's scare-mongering. SSDs can handle many, many TBs of writes just fine, heck some even reach the PB range. By drawing attention to this “issue” you are only creating needless fear where people don't need to hve any

You are doing nothing other than causing confusion, especially by only reporting the Firefox figure in isolation (without comparing against other browsers, for example). This is pretty much a typical psyop tactic.

In fact, I believe you are a hired Google shill who is paid to psyop people into using their shitty botnet browser on 4chan. But that aside.

Anyway, this entire fucking thread has no technological basis. Show me an SSD that would die within 5 years due to this kind of load and we'll talk again.

>>57370821

Wow, Google IDF out in full force today!

>SSD meme

>>57370228
OK niggas, what value should I set browser.sessionstore.interval to then?

Reminder that SSDs are beta technology and you shouldn't be using them for mission critical shit.

>>57370821
>chrome is literally the perfect browser in every single way, its the fact that its developed by google that turns people here off.
Chrome is literally the worst browser in every single way

i don't give a shit about performance, I care about CUSTOMIZATION. Chrome doesn't even have have an option to disable smooth scrolling. It's a fucking joke of a browser. Come back when you have an equivalent of about:config, and an equivalent of addons that don't suck.

P.s. I don't even use firefox, because although firefox has fantastic customization, mozilla is a good job of killing that off.

>>57370665
Tell this to the op.

>>57370842
Keep it default, then hide this thread

>>57370828

>>57370228
firefox lets you
>disable it
>change session save interval
>make it write to a HDD

meanwhile chrome does the same thing and doesn't have any options to change it

I also read yesterday that spotify is writing hundreds of gigs a day to people's machines.

Their solution: install it on a hdd

>>57370898
Oh no, so they will die in 50 years rather than 100?

I use Firefox Portable running from a RAMdisk so, this shit means nothing to me.

>>57370888
>meanwhile chrome does the same thing and doesn't have any options to change it

Sadly the shit tier solution win the game, so winning the war agains IE6 was almost pointless.

>>57370888
>firefox lets you
>>disable it

Not anymore, unless you know something I don't.

>>57370818
just saying you need marketing (as if hiring overpriced and undertalented memers fresh out of college qualifies as that) doesnt mean you understand the situation. this situation, in particular, is a free browser that everyone who matters already knows exists. now you are left with a shit product and a bunch of memers that cant market a free turd. in the end, you would have been better off with a good product and no expensive memers. i understand this market, and you clearly dont. google chrome didnt succeed just because they showed it to a bunch of grandmas on googles homepage. it succeeded because it was a good product and people dropped furry fox for it.

>>57370969
idk about disabling but ive set the timer to save session once every hour so thats like 1gb a day at most which is not much of an issue

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>>57370836
I dont give a fuck about google products really, chrome just has the best performance out of any other browser. Edge is really the only thing thats close but lacks the customization and whatnot chrome has.

>>57370880
>Im literally retarded

>>57370380
Yes worse than firefox, my 8 gb virtual memory are full because chrome wtf, it's an old desktop with 6gb ram runming windows 10.

>>57370969
>Not anymore
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Session_Restore#Completely_disabling_session_store

>>57370993
So, how many flags do you have? 10? 20?

Come back when you have 1000+

>>57370855
50% of servers have them, moron

>>57371010
idk, probably around 200 or so. Pretty much anything else you can think of is available as an extension if you want.

>get proven wrong
>move the goal posts

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>>57370698
>tfw 700 open tabs of full resolution gelbooru images

>>57371012
Remind not to respond to obvious bait

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>tfw chrome does the same thing but worse, as you can't disable it
The only solution now is Opera and Safari. I don't know what to do anymore.

>>57370855
Is there any drawback if you have a few SSDs set up in a raid 1 configuration? Not even trolling either, Im curious for my own server Im probably going to build within the next couple weeks, and SSDs have dropped considerably in price in the last year or so

>>57371045
>Pretty much anything else you can think of is available as an extension if you want.
There's no extension that does the equivalent of pentadactyl

Which is a real shame, because firefox is also killing off pentadactyl. I just switched to qutebrowser, which can use qtwebengine (aka chromium) while still presenting a sane UI, but the problem is that qtwebengine (and qtwebkit to a lesser degree) is so ridiculously opaque. It's almost entirely a black box.

>>57371068
RAID1 isn't backup

>>57370380
And you can not configure it with chrome

With firefox you can just go into about:config and set the interval stupidly high

>>57371049
You are a fucking idiot if you cant do a simple Google search and verify those numbers. Enterprise use is the only thing driving the cost down.

IOPS matter you Mongoloid

>>57370976

>chrome
>good product
Google shill detected.

>b-but muh memers
Stop pretending you know about marketing, the real reason you're whining is because you disagree politically with them. This has nothing to do with Firefox, it's about your little agenda.

>>57371104
What to look for, I haven't remembered to change it on this computer?

>>57371008
Thanks.

>>57371081
I guess for purely back up SSDs are a little pointless, but I dont see any drawbacks if you plan to store and access the information. But even still do SSDs degrade over time even without read/writes on them? If SSDs and HDDs were exactly the same price would there still be a reason to choose an HDD?

What the fuck is even the point of hoarding data if you're never going to use it for anything?

>>57370515
>zero connections to Google
Lmao anon, there's no fucking way I'm going to run anything by Google

It's a matter of principle even moreso than the practicality of it

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>>57370887

A firecuck SJW dev found here, folks!

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>>57370228
jokes on you I have an ssd and my firefox is not even writing to a "recover.js" file at all.

>>57371143

>SJW

>s-stop disagreeing politically with me!
This is how you sound.

Also,
>implying Google isn't a massive SJW corporation

Nigga, you're either a Google shill, dumb or willingly ignorant. Considering you supposedly think social justice is a bad thing, I'm betting on dumb.

I use safari without complaint simple because I can open stuff on my phone and continue reading on my desktop and vice-versa.

>>57371071
what about cvim or vrome? Basically the same shit and you can do custom key mapping to bind keys to do whatever you want. Most of the other pentadactyl quality of life fixes are built into chrome by default (auto completion, incognito mode, etc)

Does this problem even matter to those who have disabled paging file completely?

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> start firefox
> ~25% CPU usage

Can't make this up.

>>57371048
You could download them as well.

>>57371236

>screenshot taken on a Pentium 4 Willamette XDDDDDDDD

>>57371121
i disagree with and hate google more than i disagree with firefox. firefox turned their product into a turd in order to push social justice. google still has a good product in spite of pushing social justice. thats the difference.

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>>57371298
Well, I won't lie - it IS an old laptop CPU.

However, it's not P4 level bad either. 25% is high.

>>57371236
>having a shit cpu

My cpu is at 1% with Firefox open.

>>57371316
Man, I wish there was offline like *booru.
I looked at Hydrus Network but it still feels very primitive.

>>57371049
http://www.flashmemorysummit.com/English/Collaterals/Proceedings/2016/20160811_S303G_Panel.pdf

Eat shit and die

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can't I just not install firefox on my SSD?

>>57371362
>google still has a good product
IT'S LIKE WE'RE PLAYING SPOT THE SHILL ON BABBY EASY MODE!

>>57371223
bump for answer

>>57371129
You are approaching all of this with the wrong mindset

First separate your concerns. What do you need? Data reliability? IOPS? Uptime? Storage capacity?

Answer those questions and find a solution that meets your requirements.

>>57371123
read the damn article. set it to 1800000 for 30 minutes.

>>57371197
>what about cvim or vrome?
They aren't as feature-complete as pentadactyl, and I know this because I know that WebExtensions doesn't expose APIs for half of the things pentadactyl does.

In fact, that's why mozilla is going to kill off pentadactyl - so they can deprecate XUL/XPCOMI and switch to using WebExtensions instead (that way chromium and firefox addons will be compatible with each other, and stuff like pentadactyl will no longer be possible)

>>57371111
>>57371409
I'm not exactly sure what your endgame is. Those links seem to support the claim that SSDs are being used heavily in the industry already.

>>57371485
do you know how to turn this shit off completely?

does this effect firefox on all OS?

>>57370329
this

>>57371508
Mozilla plans to implement APIs that can do the things the current extensions can. They're starting with making their webextensions implementation compatible with chromium extensions but they're not going to be exactly the same.

>>57371723
I don't trust them. They claim a lot of things and have a history of underdelivering. They also have a history of pissing off addon developers and users alike by randomly removing APIs and about:config settings that they deem unimportant.

In their books, pentadactyl does not exist.

>>57371777
Well you can just use palemoon if you don't already. They'll retain the old addons indefinitely.

Is anyone even developing pentadactyl at this point though?

>>57370228
Chrome does the same, have you even read the link you posted?

HOW DO I CHANGE THIS ON CHROME????????????????????

>>57371580
Make the interval so long it realistically will never happen. Its just as good.

>>57371860
open a bug report
>wontfix

>>57371818
>Well you can just use palemoon if you don't already.
I use qutebrowser for 90% of my browsing and palemoon whenever I want to leave my comfort zone (because it has uBlock/uMatrix/hardening etc.)

Hopefully qutebrowser will be able to accomodate 100% of my browser needs some day.

>>57371818
>Is anyone even developing pentadactyl at this point though?
No, the developers all ditched firefox, and now the users are starting to ditch firefox as well.

>>57371893
Or just leave it at the default value and it realistically will never become a problem.

Modern SSDs can handle multiple petabytes of writes.

>>57371893
thanks. That's what I'll do

My profile is in RAM, so I don't care.

>>57371916
>unused writes is wasted writes

Is this the new meme? Sorry if I want my SSD to last as much as possible.

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>>57370228
that's some nice fighters you got there

Why don't you guys just use the session manager addon?

>>57371953
>Sorry if I want my SSD to last as much as possible.
If you write 200 GB per day to an SSD it will last you 50 years

Stop worrying

>>57370228
>it isn't a bug, it's acutally a feature which allows you to continue your session where you left it in case your pc crashes
>you can disable it in config flags

think first before you make yourself an idiot

>>57370516
>>57370535
this. /pol/ posting is the hot new meme.

> implying you ever write to much to a modern SSD
https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead

>>57371999
It saves the session for any event that might cause firefox to not close cleanly. Even if the power went out or your battery died for instance.

>>57371999
It should write every 1-2 minutes instead of 15 seconds by default Imo, if your browser crashes so much that's not acceptable, then you're fucked.

My Lord, why you guys so mad?

>>57371580
see>>57371008

>people still worrying about ssd writes

ROFL

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might as well use this thread.
are those hdd speeds bad enough to cause microstutter in games?

>>57372051
Please apply logic to your post before making it, thanks

>>57372128
Oh, yeah! Thanks for that too

>>57372192
see >>57372051

>>57370515
>--no-background-networking

you mean

--disable-background-networking
Removed on 2014-11-14. This switch was listed in chrome/common/chrome_switches.cc.
>Disable several subsystems which run network requests in the background. This is for use when doing network performance testing to avoid noise in the measurements.

List of Chromium Command Line Switches (for 2011-06-09)
Last automated update occurred on 2016-11-03.

Removed on 2014-11-14. This switch was listed in chrome/common/chrome_switches.cc.
Removed on 2014-11-14. This switch was listed in chrome/common/chrome_switches.cc.
Removed on 2014-11-14. This switch was listed in chrome/common/chrome_switches.cc.
fuck

i hate firefox, but i still dont see an alternative so ill keep using palemoon/firefox and chorium on some rare misteryous websites that go cpu-nuts on firefox

so many useful extensions are another thing i cant live without too

>>57372219
Crash frequency and data loss are not the same thing _at all_

Imagine the difference between losing 1 sec of work and 1 hour of work. Even if this only happens every 2 years, the former is still harmless while the latter is potentially devastating.

The frequency of how often it happens has absolutely nothing to do with the frequency of how often you need to save. The latter only depends on how much work you are willing to lose.

Now please delete your post so nobody has to read your stupidity ever again.

>>57371569
Exactly.

>>57372581
O.....kay? I'll just assume you were responding to the wrong poster then

>>57372451
qutebrowser was my salvation from the limbo of shit browsers

if you are a heavy pentadactyl user maybe you will find bliss as well