/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Already reposting from old thread

Sorry about the probably ever so often asked question in advance.
I want to buy a GTX1070 but at first glance its a huge fucking struggle deciding on which one. With my previous cards the differences were more straight forward and bigger but now im looking at 37(!) possible versions, scratch founders and EVGA and theres still a fuckton left. How would i ever go about deciding which one i want? People used to say they are all kind of similar and to just pick one but now that i know how many there are and the RRP ranging from 380-650€ in benchmark lists but in reality the amazon prices are waay off (generally off, not as in more expensive) i just dont know. So besides warranty and unrelatable benchmarks i just dont know what to look at besides design. What am i looking for?

So I'm using a low profile cooler which sucks air directly down onto the motherboard. There's a fan mount right above this which could fit a 120mm fan, with 10mm between the case fan and the CPU fan.

Is it a good idea to have two fans so close?

>>57369171
Scratch all those shitty brands like Manli, Inno3D and KFA2, also those with reference coolers.
Gigabyte G1, the "normal" Palits, Gainwards, and also everything without a proper backplate like ASUS Dual, MSI Armor etc is shit as well.

Ideally, you want a card that is factory overclocked to 1800+ Mhz, unless you want to overclock shit yourself (which is rather easy).

Also don't buy Zotac, warranty might be good, but they eat too many watts.

>CPU: Intel Core i7-6850K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor
>CPU cooler: EK Custom loop
>Motherboard: MSI X99A GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard
>Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
>Storage: Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive
Video Card: MSI GTX 1080 SEA HAWK EK X
>Case: Corsair 780T ATX Full Tower Case
>Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA T2 1000W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
>Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit
>Monitor: Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q 27.0" 144Hz Monitor

Still have to buy the video card, the custom loop, and the monitor.

What do you guys think?

>>57369360
1000W is overkill

You should do fine with a good 750W PSU and still have tons to spare

>>57369382

Sorry, forgot to mention, I'll be buying another 1080 for SLI

>>57369360
>all this overkill shit
>512gb SSD

>>57369391
For what?

>>57369395

I never need more than 512gb. Any large files go on my passport.

>>57369360
but can it run crysis??

>>57369401

Gaymen

>>57369457
>>57369391
>>57369360
True hardcore gamer/10

Bet your world elite on CS:GO and CoD

>>57369522

I play Overwatch

>>57369561
>play overwatch
>only has one 1080
>framerate won't improve with a second 1080 by much

At least get a third one, you pleb.

>>57369574

Nvidia only does 2way SLI, now

>>57369604
then get a new Titan X

can't let those sweet frames escape you!

>>57369171
Just get a Zotac AMP! or Palit Jetstream, both are great cards with good cooling and performance.
If you like to waste money you can also buy an ASUS STRIX.
If you're cold in winter you can get an EVGA to keep you warm. :^)

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/GB2hjc
I'm getting a 980 Ti from a friend, is this a good build to put it in?

>>57369853
Your mobo is an overpriced meme, otherwise it's ok.

>>57369853
Get this PSU instead. 550W may not be enough for that GPU.

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/9q4NnQ/evga-power-supply-220g20650y1

>>57369895
>>57369904
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HwNKhq
Is this better? Thanks for the help.

>building computer
>have Windows 7 ISO on external hard drive
>have no disc drive

Will I be able to run the ISO from the mobo without another program?

>>57369895
Yeah that's better. If you're going with mATX you could get a smaller case, too.

>>57369952
How about a bootable image on an USB drive? don't tell me you don't have a fucking USB stick flying around somewhere..

>>57369952
Use Rufus, if you have secure boot and all that jazz, you may need to pick GPT instead of MBR in Rufus.

Last case scenario, just disable all the UEFI shit.

>>57369992
>>57369996

Guess I'll use Rufus then. I should mention I'll be installing it to my SSD. What's the difference between GPT and MBR?

>>57370118
If you have secure boot/UEFI enabled, you need to use GPT or it won't install/boot. It should generally boot faster than MBR/legacy.

>>57369290
Thanks for the helpful and reasoble answer

>>57370146

thanks m80s

What sales on parts can I expect on Black Friday/ Cyber Monday?

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/MZ4rcc

Rate this budget pc I'm building for my sister.

I already have a spare 4gb ram stick, 1tb hdd and r7 370 graphics card that will be part of the build.

>>57369290
>overclocked to 1800+ Mhz
>1070 factory OC
kek

>Also don't buy Zotac, warranty might be good, but they eat too many watts.
That's stupid. Zotac 1070 AMP! takes 220W, that's just 5W more than the EVGA FTW.... wow, what a difference.

>>57370407
>good deals
>Meme Friday and Memeier Monday
You missed all of the good sales back in early October, late August, and mid June

>>57369290
>Zotac takes to much power
Literally what. Maybe the AMP! Extreme, but that's because it has a high core clock and three fans. Zotac probably has the best cooling system out of all the GPU partners.

>>57370436
not the guy you are replying too but explain further

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>>57370436
Yeah but what sales can I expect though

>>57370445
Only if you're an Americuck. Else Palit / Gainward is best

>>57370415
Looks half decent for an absolute poorfag build. Check for RAM compatibility, i had some problems with an old system, although the RAM should have been compatible.
Trash that Corsair PSU for either an EVGA 500B or XFX TS 430 depending on how much you need/want, just don't buy a low end Corsair PSU.

>>57370470
All of the good sales are when retailers need to clear their inventory of last generation or outdated (usually the same products but with older firmware or manufacturing date) stuff. They have one in February (I think those are the stuff that failed to clear out after Christmas), April (literal spring cleaning), June (new GPUs are usually launched around then), August (new CPUs are usually launched then if not in June), and October (mostly storage drives). Black Friday used to be one of those dates for large retailers, but once it became mainstream, retailers started stocking up exclusively for those dates to match the higher traffic on their stores/website. That means that they'll put the regular 20% sticker on stuff that has been 20% on a slow business week and 40% when they needed to clear out the inventory.

For example, I bought four 2TB WD Blacks for $60 each in October of last year. This October, you could have bought a 1TB WD Black drive (the old one, but still) for $49.99 each.

>>57370477
>Zotac is not good/available outside US
???

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>>57370418
Zotac AMP! Powertarget: 230W
EVGA FTW Powertarget: 215W
Palit Gamerock Powertarget: 170W

>>57370577
Zotac and EVGA are the best americucks can get. Also electricity is cheaper in your land, so go for it.

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welp look like my drive is failing since im getting some I/O errors in qbit.

Is that shit good? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822235013

>>57370653
seagate and WD are both shit

buy Toshiba

>>57369290
>and also everything without a proper backplate
Where do you need the backplate really? It doesn't help that much with cooling and the cards themselves are quite sturdy.

>>57370653
>5400rpm

If by good you mean dog slow, yeah.

>>57370670
m8 i'm not putting $300 on a 2tb drive.

>>57370674
for transportation and handling. Also you can clean dust off of the backplate better than having to wipe the back of a PCB

>>57370705
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822149633&cm_re=toshiba_3tb-_-22-149-633-_-Product
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822149408&cm_re=toshiba_3tb-_-22-149-408-_-Product

>>57370705
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/fpCwrH/toshiba-internal-hard-drive-dt01aca200

>>57370561
Thanks

>>57370725
Second one is in my price range but damn 36% one egg rating.

>>57370794
3TB drives have a high failure rate, not just Toshiba, avoid them.

>>57370749

tfw I realized I just paid the same for a 1 TB WD HD

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>>57370794
I have it and it works fine.

its my main games storage disk

>>57370833
You done goofed.

>>57370833

lel

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/Fz2kcf/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd1003fzex

>>57370612
Officially the Zotac AMP! Extreme (not even normal AMP...) takes 250W, that's 45W too much according to your source.
Zotac has very good warranty and support, good cooling and performance, why wouldn't you buy it?
The Asus Strix is great, but i don't trust their support in case something happens.

>>57370850
welp not sure if i take the 2tb or the 3 seeing the failure rate.

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Thinking of upgrading to a 1070, looking for suggestions on manufacturers. Also, is there anything else I should upgrade? I figure my processor should be adequate for a while longer

I got bored, and ended up here, do people really build their PC in the order listed on the wiki? I always went:


>Unpack case
>install standoffs if not there
>install case fans and radiator
>install mobo
>install cpu
>change mobo backplate
>attach cooler to mobo/cpu
>install ram
>place HDD, SSD, Optical Drive in proper bays
>place PSU in case
>power everything, some cable management, plug SATA cables in where necessary
>install and power graphics card
>finish cable management, install OS, install drivers, done.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/PNT2r7

Going to be used mainly for 1080p gaming medium to high settings and emulation with Dolphin and PCSX2.

Advice or opinions are appreciated.

Also is this psu good?

>>57369130

that pastebin is surprisingly scarce

>>57371184
Go WD black, it's worth the extra money, trust me. Also, don't get anything with "caviar" in it, that was the naming they used for their older drives, and who wants to buy an old drive when new ones are the same price?

Consider a 6600 or 6500k, but if you don't want one then that's fine.

Go 1060/1050ti instead of RX 470.

>>57371184

don't skimp on the mobo

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/gGcMnQ/asus-motherboard-h170mplus

>>57371184
Adding on to my other post, a quick glance at reviews for your PSU show lifespan issues, with people complaining about it dying anywhere from a few months to 2 years. I don't know if you wanna deal with that, but I sure wouldn't buy that PSU.

Last thing, your mobo is surprisingly cheap, I don't know much about it so I can't comment, but you should check out the reviews and make sure it's good, a mobo is the worst thing to cheap out on.

CPU: I5-6600k
CPU Cooler: NH-U14S
Motherboard: Asus Z170 Pro Gaming
RAM: HypyerX Fury Black 2x8GB
GPU: GTX 1070
HDD: Seagate 2TB
SSD: Samsung 250GB
PSU: EVGA SuperNova P2 750W Plat
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro

This is the overkill I picked, I know I should downgrade but dont know where

>>57371458
>1070
>150W TDP

Get a 650W PSU, and I think it would still be overkill.

>>57371458
Plat is overkill, gold should be enough 99% pf the time and 750 is way too much, you won't SLI, will you?
Get the EVGA G2 550W and Corsair LPX 3000.
If you want a smaller case take a lool at the Define S.

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http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/dYJYWX
How's this for a £550 budget build?

>>57371486
>>57371458
If we assume the extreme scenario here's the breakdown.

>CPU 100w
>CPU cooler: 5w
>GPU 200w
>RAM 20w
>HDD 10w
>SSD 5w

Total: 340Watt.

Not sure why you'd even need 650w let alone 750w.

I want to learn how to build PC shit but i'm ignorant about the use of each part.
Which part should i pick first?

>>57369130
I have an Intel i7-4790K which has driver support in Linux (open source not binary blob) and I'm trying to figure out what GPU to get, I do not want anything to do with Nvidia, you need proprietary shit drivers just to get any decent performance, so I'm thinking an Intel CPU and an AMD GPU for my GNU desktop system, what GPU should I get? My main goal is
>full compatibility with Wayland
>no proprietary drivers
>full compatibility with Linux-Libre
I do not plan on doing that much gaming, maybe light gaming but not much. I'm avoiding X.Org as it's garbage.

>>57370794
Most of those one-stars were from non-verified owners, so that tells you a lot. The P300 is better because they changed the actuator and hub motor.

>>57362170
Why would I want 2x 8GB DDR4 for this build?

>>57371626

Bruh, there's thousands of videos online explaining how each part of a PC works.

so my 1155 mobo is on the fritz, is there any reason not to go with skylake

>>57371708
Dual channel > single channel, but it's not really a noticeable gain.

>>57371741
If Zen turns out to be actually good.

Or if you're running a 4770K and you're playing ARMA 3.

>>57371830
I've got a 4x4 16GB kit for the build, it's about 3 posts back.

is there any difference between AMD and Intel or is just another retarded console wars?

Which SSDs are recommended at the time?
Is is still just Samsung?

>>57371838

i don't play anything demanding really, they just don't make mobos for my 2500k anymore so it looks like i have to upgrade

i could do it cheaper by going last gen but not really sure

Intel i5 6600K @ 3,4ghz
MSI Gaming R9 380 2GB
8 GB DDR4 RAM
MSI PC Mate B150 ATX
Kingston UV400 240GB SSD
Seagate 1,5TB HDD
Thermaltake Contact 21 Cooler
Cooler Master M500 500W
Cooler Master Elite 430 Case

Got discount on the cpu.

>>57371871
Crucial MX

>>57371838
>4*4
Why? You can only quad channel x99.

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how did i do so far /pcbg/?
my ram is only a single 8GB stick of corsair vengeance, not sure why speccy shows 16GB, but i plan on picking up another stick in a week.

>>57371566
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hhFzZ8
Slightly over budget, but it's worth the better mobo and PSU.

>>57371626
Everything is build around CPU/mobo, make up your mind and then build everything around it.

>>57371865
There is. AMD uses more power than Intel and is generally less efficient and has worse temps, but is also cheaper.
AMD is at the moment only worth to consider if you're on a tight budget and need the extra cores.
Otherwise everything from i3 to i7 beats AMD respectively, that might change with Zen though.

>>57371865
AMD is still using a retarded-as-fuck CMT architecture that has each core splitting integer clusters and sharing everything else for their own version of hyperthreading (a bare metal hyperthreading, versus a virtual one done by splitting core resources as per Intel's SMT). Basically, most of the work being done within each integer cluster has to wait for the other integer cluster in the same core to finish its work, rather than splitting the workload of each core using virtualized threads so that it can share resources of the entire core simultaneously on demand. This was part of the reason why AMD has been lambasted for poor single core performance, because there were inherent pipeline bottlenecks early on in each "core's" workload due to the shared physical resources.

Excavator is the last generation of this pants-on-head retarded consumer architecture and will make way for Zen, which uses SMT like Intel. Intel is, and always have been, superior in every way to AMD.

Why does AMD suck so much when it comes to rendering shit? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I DONT WANT TO SPEND 450€ on a card just because it will help me render shit in daz3d faster

>>57371572
Yeah a 550W would be more than fine.

>>57372012
>Intel is, and always have been, superior in every way to AMD.
>he doesn't remember Athlon64
>he doesn't remember the multiple billion dollar lawsuits Intel has faced because they were getting blown the fuck out by AMD performance wise and thus used every dirty trick in the book to deprive AMD of marketshare

Kill yourself intelshill.

>>57371902
Ah, I see.

I didn't know about that, I understand why he wanted me to go x2 8GB

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>>57369290
Boost clocks are useless with you boost 3.0. My gigabyte g1 1070 hits 1925 stock. Steam buddy has a Msi gaming one that hits 1910. They all run fairly cool and have little room to oc past GPU boost. Recommend buying based on warranty, sound, and looks.

>>57372012
>Intel is, and always have been, superior in every way to AMD.
Hello newfag.

>>57372070
>>57372148
Prove me wrong. Athlon64 was the only fluke in their entire timeline. AMD started out in life as a spinoff of Intel's fabrication., remember.

Any good (read cheap) builds for running Witcher 3 on medium/medium-high?

>>57372215
Athlon 5350
GT 710

>>57371225
470 emulates better nvidia shill

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I haven't built a PC since 2004 so I don't know where the fuck to even start but I know what I want at least.

My main needs:
Developer machine so about 16-32GB RAM
Small (ITX)
Silent/low heat/passive cooling so CPU should reflect that, don't need a crazy-fast i7
Okayish GPU (something that can run Vulkan and have decent official drivers for Linux so probably a budget Nvidia, don't care about vidya too much)
Possibly want to use as a low-traffic server at some point so ECC RAM(?)
Simple SSD, probably a Samsung 850 512GB


Roughly what price would I be looking at? And is such a system viable?

>>57372294
Does a developer machine needs taht much RAM?

>>57371886
Sure? some tests say they aren't on par (on the other hand they are cheaper)

>>57372215
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/MvmYWX

>>57372325
Need to run several VMs/Linux containers at once so yes it does. I'm hitting the limits on my current 8GB all the time. I don't even use shit IDEs like Android Studio.

>>57372294
> ECC RAM
when you would need the x99 chipset

Fractal design define S or core 2300?

Can I ask here about budget pc builds? Or should I go to the stupid question general.

I want to build a budget 600 euro pc build for gaming. Though really the only game I play is Overewatch and the only game I have that has high settings is Dragon Age Inquisition.

Asus GTX 1060 6gb
Intel i3 6100
Curicial Ballistix 8gb
Thermaltake Case

Not sure about the motherboard and the PSU.

>>57372173
>Prove me wrong.
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/processors/pentium-fdiv-the-processor-bug-that-shook-the-world-1270773
Intel wasn't always better than AMD, so stop shilling, Pajeet.

>>57372535
get a cheap h170 motherboard and a better case, make sure to get a good brand of psu. An rx470 or 480 might be better for your needs and budget.

I am saving up to buy this, is it good enough for 1200 american dollarydoos?

Chassi

Komplett Carbide SPEC-03 Midi Tower
Made by Corsair, ATX, 2x USB 3.0, Blue LEDs, Black, Window
Strömförsörjning

Corsair CX550M, 550W PSU
ATX 12V v2.4, 80 Plus Bronze, Semi Modular, 2x 6+2-pin PCIe, 6x SATA
Processorer

Intel Core i5-6600K Skylake Processor
Socket-LGA1151, Quad Core 3.5GHz, 6MB, 91W, 14nm, m/kylare, PC-PROD
Moderkort

MSI Z170-A Pro, Socket-1151
Moderkort, ATX, Z170, DDR4, 2xPCIe-x16, CFX, M.2, SATA Express
DDR4 Minne

Kingston Value DDR4 2133MHz 8GB
2x4GB 2133MHz (PC4-17000) DDR4 CL15
Grafikkort

ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Dual OC BLACK
Skjermkort, PCIe 3.0, GDDR5, DL-DVI-D, 2x HDMI2.0, 2x DP, PC-prod only
SSD / Hårddisk - Primär lagringsenhet

Samsung PM961 SSD 256GB M.2 NVMe
V3 TLC, Polaris, up to 2800/1100MB/s read/write, for production only
SSD / Hårddisk

Seagate Barracuda 1TB
SATA 6GB/s (SATA 3.0), 64MB Cache, 7200RPM, 3.5", endast för pc-prod
Operativsystem

Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Nordic + English, Komplett COA

>>57372535
get the same ones from this build >>57372327

>>57372489
Well.. that's up to you, do you want a silent more modular case and you're willing to pay more, get the Define S, otherwise get the Core 2300.

What are Rosewill PSUs like? They seem pretty cheap.

>>57372735
why

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>>57372735
Just bought these, how bad did I fuck up ? Gpu hasn't arrived yet, I went for msi 480 gaming X...

>>57372294
The only Intel CPUs that support ECC are xeons, so it's either xeon e3 or e5(depending on how many cores you want). AMD might be an option if you're willing to wait for Zen to come out. Unfortunately it also means you'll have to pay more for the motherboard. As for GPU... Probably 1050 or RX460. The drivers for GCN are supposed to be pretty good and Nvidia's current GPUs don't perform too well in Vulcan.

You'd be looking at something like $600 at the minimum for a system with 16 GB of RAM, Xeon e3-1220 v5 and a GT 1050. And the 1220 is an 80W CPU, you'll have to pay more if you want low-powered variant(but all of those come with hyperthreading which the 1220 doesn't have).

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I am sick and tired of black, black black black

post aesthetic white or beige cases

>>57372755
See >>57372765

>>57372695
IIRC at least some of them are pretty bad, so you'll want to look at reviews for individual units.

>>57371903
Why ask if it's good? If it works for you and all your needs are satisfied it is good no matter which parts you use.

>>57372606
Those motherboards are all at least a 100 euro on amazon germany, aren't there any cheaper ones? Would the 4gb version of the graphics card suffice, is it the equivalent of the gtx 1060 3gb?

>>57372635
Is the i5 6400 better than the i3 6100, also in euro it would be more than 600 which I really don't want to cross.

>>57372855
>Is the i5 6400 better than the i3 6100
Quad core and higher clock.

>also in euro it would be more than 600 which I really don't want to cross
I just mean the PSU and mobo from that build, you could get a Corsair CX430 if that's cheaper. Dunno about mobo, I picked probably the cheaper and that looked good, can't go much lower than that.

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Had this thing for years and years and years and other than upgrading the SSD I have no plans for the future.

Any reason to upgrade if it meets my needs?

>>57372735
>>57372765
u dun goofed man

>>57372855
its not equivalent but the 480 close enough to the performance and with your budget nvidia cards arent the best route to go

>>57372906
well it's gonna choke pretty hard on recent gaymans just due to how old everything is

>>57372900
>Quad core and higher clock.
6400 has 3.3GHz turbo, 6100 has 3.7GHz base frequency. Not worth it, better get at least 6500 if you want an i5. i3 6100 is perfectly sufficient for cheap gaming build.

>>57372973
Oops I misread the specs

>>57372965
>well it's gonna choke pretty hard on recent gaymans just due to how old everything is

Not really a gaymer. I think Portal 2 and World of Tanks are the only games I've played in the last five years.

>>57372402
Thanks
>>57372775
Thanks, that's awesome. Far cheaper than I expected, if that's an mostly accurate estimate. Nice to see people on /g/ still know their shit.

WIth the 3gb version of the gtx 1060, i5 6400, corsair 430W PSU, 8gb ddr4 ram, asrock h110m mainboard and still with the thermaltake, which I can change, it would be 590 euro.

>>57372900
Don't know shit about PC's and stuff. But the i3 6100 has 3,7 ghz and the i5 6400 has 2,7 ghz.

>>57372932
The 3gb version of the 1060 is 220 euro and the 4gb of the rx 470 is 210 so not much difference.

>>57373093
Not really, 2.7, it's 3.3 turbo but yeah, I misread it.

>>57373085
>Far cheaper than I expected, if that's an mostly accurate estimate.
Well, I don't actually know the prices of the motherboards or the RAM, so I'm probably low-balling it a bit since I'm fairly certain those are more expensive than consumer-grade stuff.

>>57373093
3gb edition sucks ass, just get a 4gb rx480

It's been 4 years since I bought the hardware for my computer. It's still working pretty well but there's been some red flags and issues that makes me think it's about time I upgraded. I don't really play cutting-edge games on it, so I'm not too fussed about a new GPU or CPU, I think the problems I've had are down to the motherboard and the hard drive more than anything.

It's been a long time so I'm pretty rusty with this stuff, so I'm not sure whether the newer stuff will be compatible with what I've got, but here are my current specs:

GPU: AMD HD 7800 Series
CPU: Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz
Mobo: Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77
Hard Drive: Sandisk Extreme SSD 120GB & Seagate Barracuda 500GB
Case : Z9 Plus Tower Case

The main things I want to change are the hard drives (something like a 250GB SSD and a 1TB HD), the mobo and ideally I'd like a smaller case as I'll need it to be more movable in future.

Any help?

>>57373197
Budget?

>>57373160
Seems like that one is hard to come around, at least on amazon.de.
The only thing missing would be a case, any good ones for 50 euro tops?

Also as a sidequestion. I already have windows 10 on my ssd, can I just plug that into the new pc and it will work?

>>57373065
then there's not much reason to upgrade, no

stop ordering from amazon you pleb

look for cheapest prices on geizhals

then buy from mindfactory

>>57373240
£200-£300, at current exchange rates it's probably roughly the same in dollars.

>>57373480
It could be more than that if necessary

>>57373480
>>57373531

Actually, that's ~$350 right now if I'm not mistaken, give me 10 or so minutes to go make some pasta and then I'll throw a list together for ya

What do you guys charge for building gaming computers for other people? I don't mean your cousin or best bro, but as a client. The profit margins compared to prebuilts or companies that deal in volume are so slim I can never tell if it's worth it.

I think the last machine I built I made about $100 and I noticed looking at Amazon one of the custom PC outfits was selling them out the door for less than my parts cost.

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My budget upgradable build. Also my first one ever so yeah, pretty excited.

http://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/bng2r7

What do you think?

>>57373117
If I increase the budget by 50 euro would the i5 6600 with the rx 480 4gb be a good choice?

>>57373763
The 6600 is almost never a good choice. 6500 is much better bang for the buck unless you're planning to overclock, in which case you'll want the 6600k. Really, the 6500 and 6600k are the only (skylake) i5s that make sense for gaming at the moment.

>>57373462
>look for cheapest prices on geizhals
>then buy from mindfactory
TOPKEK. Literally my workflow..

>>57373549
Thanks m8 that's great

>>57373840
I lied it's gonna be another half hour until I get you a list, I ran out of pasta so I'm going to the store

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>>57371881
I gave my 2500k a second life with a refurbished Z68 Mobo , have you consider it ?

Pic related actually on newegg

>>57373675
http://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/J2JYWX
Black prices are from Mindfactory, after mindnight you don't pay shipping for purchases over 100€.
I don't know your budget, but if you can afford get a custom cooler. Intel stock coolers are noisy as fuck.

>>57374052
I'm in Austria tho, they do add extra costs for shipping and most of my parts are from amazon since I have prime. I'll buy a cooler soon as well, any ones you could think would fit and be 25-ish € or less?

>>57374052
Also I got the impression Mobos aren't that important for us who don't OC? Your build has one a bit better than mine, is that needed?

>>57374225
shit mobos can still have problems, might not give enough power to the cpu, be unstable with stock fsb etc.

don't skimp on anything, make a balanced system

>>57374198
>>57374225
Oh, thought you're from DE since DE.. you know. I guess geizhals.at is your best bet then. Here are some good 25ish options:
http://geizhals.at/ekl-alpenfoehn-ben-nevis-84000000119-a1211188.html?hloc=at
http://geizhals.at/cryorig-c7-cr-c7a-a1352761.html?hloc=at
http://geizhals.at/ekl-alpenfoehn-brocken-eco-84000000106-a1081623.html?hloc=at

>Mobos aren't that important for us who don't OC?
Yes and no. You won't need a 130€ mobo or anything, but i wouldn't get the cheapest available H110 either.
You can obviously get the H110, but i'd recommend getting a B150 if it's not too much of a hassle. Balance is key. A mobo for 70-90€ is what i'd go for.

>>57374354
I saw this one having ok reviews and people aren't complaining about anything in particular. It's 50€ and has less sockets / ports which I don't mind.

>>57373808
wouldn't 6400 be even better bang for the buck? userbenchmark suggests a mere 5% difference in performance there

>>57374533
>wouldn't 6400 be even better bang for the buck? userbenchmark suggests a mere 5% difference in performance there
6400 is 2.7 base, 3.3 turbo. 6500 is 3.2 base, 3.6 turbo. I wouldn't trust any benchmark that claims there's only 5% performance delta between them - it sounds like there's a bottleneck elsewhere and the CPU isn't what's really being benchmarked.

>>57369290
Nothing wrong with gigabyte, I Oced mine to 2.1GHz no problem, a few days later a game crashed, now I set it to 2050MHz, still above 2GHz like the Internet promised, still not on fire, still the cheapest US option of 1070s

>>57373840
>>57373197

This gave me a lot of trouble. Of the motherboards fitting your requirements, this is what I got:

>Not in production/Only refurbished available
>Extremely high price (up to fucking $800)
>Horrible quality issues, shit reviews

So I gave up on that, and instead have added a new CPU and mobo to go with it:

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/8L6YWX

Tell me what you think, and if you want anything added/removed.

If you want a smaller case, I know this is fairly good especially for the price:

https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Micro-ATX-Computer-12-5-Inch-LINE-M/dp/B00AAJ0ZGK

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>>57370407
$9 off something that you weren't gonna buy anyways
Cyber Monday doesn't exist btw

>>57374472
I mean I know you're right regarding the mobo price, but I'm kinda reluctant to pass that mantal price point of €600 I mean I haven't even bought a case yet and the cpu fan and 30€+ for the better board that's 100 more. If there's not gonna be any problems with the h110 I'd like to keep it, it's only supposed to last me 2-3 years and the guarantee is 3 years as well.

I think it's that you guys are used to higher price tag while building your rigs so there is scepticism at anything budget.

>>57374642
oh shit I also forgot to mention this will force you over budget because you'd need to get DDR4 RAM, I completely forgot that.

If you want, I can link you some things or try and cut cost?

>>57371572
Don't forget the motherboard take a significant amount of power
But yeah, single CPU and single GPU, pretty much anything can get away with 550-650w

>>57374680
>>57374642
there's really no need for skylake if you wanna go cheap. just get an i5 4440 or 4460 instead. DDR3 RAM is cheaper as well.

>>57374699
but the 4440/4460 are downgrades from his current CPU in terms of performance

>>57374623
Or you don't understand how CPU power works

what do I stick in my one PCIe and and my one PCI slot? I have a USB wifi-er and I'm not actually sure if Windows 10 supports PCI devices.
I wanna fill up my motherboards holes

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Is it worth upgrading my Ivy bridge i5 to an i7? Cba to get a new motherboard and my 3570k is bottlenecking my 1070 in some games. Thanks.

>>57374533
Eh, clocked too low. I wouldn't buy it.

>>57373675
Needs an SSD

>>57373197
What exactly is the problem? Run diagnostics on the drives

>>57374759
http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i5_6400-527-vs-intel_core_i5_6500-524
8% faster in single core, 12% faster in multi core
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/418/Intel_Core_i5_i5-6400_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-6500.html
9% faster in single core, 6% faster in multi core

Either way, it's more than 5%.

Daily reminder that the highest clocked CPU in the world is a celeron

I've bought and installed most of the parts on my build already, so now I only need to decide on the graphics card. I have 3 options in my head
>GTX 1060
>Radeon RX 480
>Radeon R9 390
Which one should I choose?

>>57374623
userbenchmark is aggregated from a whole bunch of different systems so it shows the average performance and a distribution curve to go with it

>>57374912
Either GTX1060 6GB or RX480 unless you can get the 390 for significantly cheaper.

>>57374912
i went for 480 8gb, more foss friendly and better dx12/vulkan performance.

>>57374912
I'm guessing those are 3gb 4gb versions of the 2, well they are placed at the right price points for what you get performance wise. Again AMD is assumed to have longer driver support and better dx 12 performance / future proof. Nvidia is better manufacturing process, less heat ( tho nothing to take into account) and less power. Better performance atm and in older titles

>>57374981
if you're not doing 4k or something silly like that consider a 4gb 470

>>57375010
AMDs entire GPU lineup cannot do 4K and a 480 can't even do 1440p at 60fps

>>57374787
Win10 is finicky about PCI wifi cards, but mine works. It's got a realtek chip

>>57374800
Yes but I'd wait as long as possible, cheaper i7s soon

>>57374912
480, 390 is a housefire

>>57375039
Depends on the game. My 470 can do 60FPS locked, no drops, on Ultra at 1440p VSR for Mad Max

>>57375039
anything can do 4k, only question is how fast

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This is one of those "my dad words for..." posts except unironic.

I know 1060 3GB seems like a shitty choice but how does it fare for $179 USD? Apparently 1060 3GB is the equivalent of a 970 but marginally better, and losing a bit of vram (no 4K gaming).

And how's Zotac reputation in the midst of EVGA drama?

>>57375081
That's why I said 60fps

>>57375094
I mean "works for"

>>57375094
>and losing a bit of vram (no 4K gaming).

vram isn't the limiting factor for 4k/1440p gaming and you god damn well know it

>And how's Zotac reputation

they're a cheap brand but maybe hold off until more reports come in

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Whats the best cheap best buy case?

>>57375094
>no 4K gaming because 3Gb less VRAM
Yep, it's totally nvidia being Jewish and not your poor hardware choices

>>57375133
it's still gonna take more for a huge framebuffer and higher mip/lod levels, at least 3-4gb is probably a good idea

>>57375192
At least a 1080 is a good idea, you want 60fps in new games at 4K you'll need the single $1200 GPU that can do that

>>57375094
For most games, it'll do fine. But there are a few games where you'll see performance issues due to 3GB not being enough VRAM.

>>57375191
I'm not interested in high resolution gaming, I'm just reaffirming that I understand what 3GB allows. Perhaps I worded it wrong, I meant to ask if 1060 3GB is good or fine choice for 1080p60.

>>57375286
it's a great choice

>>57375286

It is a good choice. The price premium for the 6GB model isn't worth the performance boost and settings that actually utilize that extra 3GB will either be high resolution textures (that aren't meant for 1080p) or settings that will knock you down from 60fps (like high levels of MSAA).

I should elaborate on the OEMs.
>XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB (259.99)
>Gigabyte Radeon R9 390 8GB ($247.85)
>MSI GTX 1060 Factory OCed (259.99)
>>57374977
See above.
>>57374982
No, 8GB and 6GB. See above.
>>57375068
How so?

>>57375330
MSAA is CPU-based and the 3Gb version of the 1060 is worse than the 6Gb version, not just I VRAM, but the 3GB version has a cut-down chip compared to the 6GB one

>>57375353
>MSAA is CPU-based

Wrong.

>the 3GB version has a cut-down chip compared to the 6GB one

Which makes almost no difference in practice, and certainly not enough to warrant the price premium.

>>57375367
>10-20fps drops in both average and minimum framerates
http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2604-gtx-1060-3gb-vs-6gb-benchmark-review/page-4
And of course, these are games that barely use 2GB of VRAM

>>57375353
Yes I know 6GB one is worse than the 3GB one in performance, but it's only like a 5% margin or something.

>>57375367
The 3GB 1060 has been established as a money-grab by nvidia, it brings nothing to the table at that price point compared to a 470

>>57375422

Might want to post a better link to back up your statement son, since Mirror's Edge is the only game to show a substantial drop and that was at Hyper settings. Again, not worth the extra money.

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>Antec GX500 Window (3 fans: 1 intake front, 1 exhaust back and 1 exhaust at top)
>Antec VP500PC
>Intel Core i5 6500 w/ stock cooler
>GTX 1070 Strix OC
>G.Skill 8GB DDR4 2133MHz
>Corsair Force LE 2.5" 240GB SSD

>mfw this costed me exactly 1000eur where I live.

Mostly gaming and some programming, waiting on my WD Blue 1TB to arrive, opinions?

Pic related.

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>tfw you resurrect your first pc

Somehow I miss the good old days of PIII's and windows 98 crashing all the time.

>>57375591
Can you read or do you just look at colorful bars?

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>>57374671
Well, is 600€ your strict budget? If not, you should spend 50-100€ more and get a well rounded build, see pic.
Or you could wait for Kaby Lake Pentium / i3 and Zen and see what they have to offer.

Austrian here, 2 weeks ago I build my pc and all and I just now caught up with the EVGA drama.
I have an EVGA FTW 1070 installed and tomorrow is the last day I can do a cancellation and send the card back to the seller.
Truth is, I didn't have any troubles with my cards and I would prefer to order the thermal pads and mod my card instead of dealing with a cancellation. Also I'm afraid the shop wouldn't take the card back as I have been heavily using it.

On the other hand I have paid over 400 eurobucks and at that price I expect a thouroughly tested and fully functional product.

What would you do?

>>57375853
I need to wake up in 4 hours for work, I ordered that case and the fan for it. I don't know if it was right but I don't want to think about this any more. I'm sticking with the mobo, thatnks for your suggestions you helped a lot.

I have a budget of roughly $1k, how does this look?

>>57376084
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/RrG7Cy
forgot link

>>57375995
No problem m8

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/B97fm8

Any thoughts on this build?

I intend to run Linux as a host and virtualize Windows w/ PCI passthrough so this will be a headless NAS which can stream games to my laptop (via Steam's home streaming feature or whatever).

I'm using an AIO liquid cooler for the CPU because the GPU's aftermarket cooler is an open-air cooler + there's poor airflow in the case.

Does this seem sensible?

>>57376084
>>57376096
Looks good but see if you can get cheaper RAM.

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Should I?

http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/define-series/define-mini-c

without the window of course

Are static pressure fans best for a small, cramped MITX case?

>>57376241
Yes

>>57376196
Bitwit did a video on it and it looks good, plus it's Fractal Design so I don't see why not.

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I want to pop my dual gpu cherry.

Give me reasons why shouldnt I crossfire these sexy beast.

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I want to build an entirely new PC, but I can't afford to. The part that's aged the worst is my GPU so I want to just get that for now and plug it into my build. I'd like to get a 1080. Question is, is my 650W PSU strong enough? Is my Corsair 400R big enough?

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>>57375604

>>57376496
you dont need a new PC

just upgrade your GPU to whatever and add MOAR RAM and you'll be on your merry way. This build will hold another few years. Moore's Law is dead.

>>57376496
A 500w is sufficient, so you're in the clear. Your case will have no problem fitting a 1080.

>>57376496
>asking such stupid questions
Are you mentally challanged?

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Some dude the other day on a speccy thread thrased me.

Is this build that bad? Its mostly second-hand stuff and I got it for CHEAP. How did I do?

Thinking of upgrading the GPU first.

>>57376555
Not bad at all. How much did you spend on everything?

>>57376555
It's not bad, just old. Also your thermal paste and CPU cooler seem to have got old. 62C is not normal for a CPU, but it can take it.

>>57376553
What, you want me to apologize if asking if a high end, massive, heat producing card will thrive in a mid-tower? You want me to apologize for asking if a power guzzling card will be adequate on a nearly four year old, 650w, 24/7 powered PSU?

Get a trip so I can filter it.

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>>57376566
It's kind of a long story. But to make it short:

>Mom meets someone going to church, this old woman who lives really near to our home
>She drives her to church every sunday because why not poor woman
>This goes on for about two years, the old woman is a nice lady, sorta annoying at times, but nothing too bad. She also invites me to iced tea whenever I drop by


TWO YEARS LATER

>One day she tells us she's moving to another city
>Apparently her son is an IT guy too, and she tells me I can drop by to check if there's anything I can use
>neat.jpg
>Go in, get some nice stuff like a decent mouse, some logitech speakers, a printer.
>See this dusty-ass tower, ask her if I can grab that, can probably add some parts and sell it for about 50€ at cash converters.
>Sure, I'll ask my son just in case.
>Get home, take out compressed air and prepare to clean the PC I thought would have crappy stuff
>find this monster for free.

The only thing I had to buy was the PSU, which was busted (it was a modular 1300W one) cost me about 50€.

Some Inoki for you who may have read the story.

>>57376553
Oh, and I just caught "challanged". Retard

>>57376491
It'll be shit until DX12 gets wide adoption.

>>57376491
Poorbdriver support, bad temps, guzzles power like a motherfucker

Who's the best motherboard manufacturer in 2016? For an X99 build based on an i7 6800k (Broadwell-E) and I don't want to skimp out. Preferably something that works out of the box without a bios flash. Asus X99 Deluxe 2 looks decent and is what I'm currently leaning towards but apparently a lot of people had issues with the Deluxe I. A lot of people seem to claim the Deluxe 2 is one of the best current X99 mobos however. Asus also reportedly has total shit customer service (though hopefully I'll never need this from any manufacturer) so what is the overall consensus here towards Asus motherboards?

Gigabyte's X99 boards seem to have good reviews but look god awful. Same with MSI and with their dragon nonsense. Asrock looks like they might have a few viable options as well and my current machine has been using an Asrock board without issue for years and they are up for consideration as well.

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>RVZ01 is a tiny MITX case
>Manual says blower style coolers are worse, and you should use open coolers
What the fuck?

Are Silverstone just drunk or is this legitimately good advice? I thought blowers were what you always want for small cases.

>>57376987
Blowers are okay if you have more than one GPU close together with a lot of air being pushed towards the GPU (like a rack mountable 4U case) or a small case with poor ventilation due to heat-traps.
That case you posted has a massive grille on the other side where the GPU goes, so it can use the open-fan coolers.

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I build this back in 2011, what can I do with it, my plan was to get something like RX470/480 and make it to mid 2017 then build a new rig, if this ain't a viable solution I will just salvage the SSD and pull the trigger on new build this November or December.

>>57377674
2400 is reasonably old

What is a high quality, minimal, relatively silent case? Currently have a Fractal R4 and not happy with the cheap plastics. Is Lian Li my only choice?

Looking to upgrade to a 960 or 960 EVO once theyre released. For those who've upgraded to the SM951 or the 950Pro is it worth the upgrade?

Looking to upgrade case fans. Currently have GentleTyphoons for exhaust and some fractal shit for intakes. I've heard good things about EK Vardar fans for intakes but wasn't sure.

>>57376519
But what if I'm considering VR?

>>57378205
then you only need a new GPU as well.

Here's the ideal build for an Oculus Rift:

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/6zMDwV

(taken from the plebbit wiki here: https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/wiki/requirements

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Will this be adequate for 2 to 3 years? Looking at mid to low range stuff because of budget but want stuff that'll last. Been rocking an i5-4430 and 650ti for 3 years now so ready for a jump.
Probably only going to be gaming at 1080p60 for the next ever really. Mostly use it for DCS and stats programming.

>nz

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Any recommendations?

>>57378915
Forgot to mention that my Budget is about ~$700

Also should I even bother waiting for Black Friday sales? There are some sales now on NewEgg and I'm not even sure if they will go down much more than they are now.

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I still haven't decided on a card but i think i want a 1050 until i can get the cash to upgrade. Other than that I already have a key for windows 7 but are there ant suggestions for the build?

>>57376893
Here's my build in progress, which will be used for everything under the sun from programming to VM hosting to gaming to general use. Tell me if i can do anything better. Main points of concern: motherboard. Asus X99 Deluxe 2, Asus X99 A 2, or something else? I've never had an Asus motherboard. Also, how does the Strix card compare to the giant Zotac?

>PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/KkYjWX

>CPU: Intel Core i7-6800K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor (28 lanes)
>CPU Cooler: Corsair H115i 104.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
>Motherboard: Asus X99-DELUXE II ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard
>Memory: Corsair Vengeance LED 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
>Storage: Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive
>Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
>Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card
>Case: Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ATX ATX Mid Tower Case
>Power Supply: Corsair RMx 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
>Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140MP 68.1 CFM 140mm Fan
>Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140MP 68.1 CFM 140mm Fan

(Those 2 fans replace the stock fans on the CPU cooler.)

How do you download your operating system?
>downloaded windows 8.1 pro from PB
>KMS activator was already loaded
>getting THREAD STUCK IN DEVICE DRIVER which may be linked to the pirated OS

>>57378525
Country?
I'm assuming Canada because of bloated prices+unrecognizable sellers.

>>57374687
Motherboards itself probably draws under 10w, but to put it on extreme side, lets put it 20w.

Is there any benefit to having 2x8 memory instead of 4x4 or will the performance be identical?

>>57379371
Probably same, unless quadchannel, in which case, it might be better than dual channel in certain applications

>>57379371
Benefit is you can expand later.

>>57379371
depends on how many channels your mobo supports.

if it supports quad channels, you should fill them all. 4x4 would be ideal. If it only supports dual channel, then 2x8 would be what you want.

>>57379176
Note the last line in the post, friend

Price is not too big of a deal just wondering if there are equivalents in the same price bracket. Is the 6600k worth it over the 6600? Not too sure if I want to go with overclocking this time around.

Or wait for Zen?

>nz

>>57379451
Oh, text blended in with the board.

No, I'm not kidding.

And yeah, get a good cooler and overclock than be stuck with a downclocked CPU.

What's a good cooler to overclock a 6700K? Price doesn't matter

>>57379807
Liquid nitrogen.

>>57380099
checked

>>57370653
0x1888 Reallocated sectors
0xA49 Current Pending and uncorrectable sector counts

FFS Why did you let this happen?!?!?!?!

Buy another drive ASAP and throw that one. And the next time, do yourself a favor and buy an HGST http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAA683S13297&cm_re=hgst-_-9SIAA683S13297-_-Product

Next time check the smart data at least twice a year if you see any of the said parameters going up, its sign that something is wrong. Some programs can help, but your seagate is beyond hope
Copy your stuff to the new drive little by little

What are SSHDs like? Should I get one?

Is $60 a good deal for an MSI GTX 660? Trying to get deals for relatively cheap shit on ebay.

>>57380326
No. Just buy an RX 460.

I currently have a 1070, and was gonna purchase a cpu/cooler, mobo, and case next

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/36Nfm8
am I going too cheap? is this too retarded?
also, was thinking about this mobo MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard instead, but the lack of usb ports...

>>57375904
If you are still here, have you hit up the EVGA statement sites?
They have some grade a sense of guilt and stand up for their mistakes it seems. I wouldnt be surprised if they took your card in no problem even after you badly installed the pads and it still fried the card, but man, its your choice

>>57380437
>is this too retarded?
Yes. Overpriced mobo and that H100 is overkill. Don't know about the case but it looks like stupid gaymur shit.

>>57378915
>>57378931
Don't get a Z170 mobo unless you're going to OC it manully for which you'll need a cooler or want a Kaby Lake upgrade.

>>57376626
>0200 in the morning i made a typo
>foreign language
At least i'm not the one asking stupid questions.
At least i'm not too retarded to add two numbers as see if they fit my PSU.
RETARD.

>>57380315
It's better to get separate SSD + HDD combo rather than SSHD. The "SSD" space in SSHD is not big enough to fit your OS + main programs and you can't control which files are placed on it. They're only worth it if you can't fit more than 1 drive inside your computer and want more (cost effective) space than SSD can provide.

>>57380437
The case looks like ass and you'd probably be better with good air cooler than AIO.

>>57380326
Waste of money. Get RX 460 if you want a separate graphics card, anything below it has horrible price per performance

I wanna swap the 6350 in my old prebuilt for a i5-6600 or 6500 perhaps.

Now I know I will have to the swap the motherboard too and I'm okay with that but will I have to reinstall Windows and everything else again? Currently running 8.1

What mobo and cpu combo is best?

Right now I have a couple years old setup which I want to update since it runs like shit

GPU (GTX 580) and CPU (i5 760 from 2010) are a given, and also MOBO since no CPU uses 1156 socket

However should I also upgrade my 8gb DDR3 ram to ddr4 (how much do you even need these days for playing vidya) or can I leave it?

>>57369130
Just recieved a Corsair TX650 V2 power supply from a friend. At about 3 years old, is it safe to use? It works perfectly fine.

>>57382303
8gb ddr3 should still be fine for most applications

>>57382303
I'd go for DDR4, it's better all around, has better support and DDR3 is disappearing from markets very fast. You'll have to upgrade to DDR4 sooner or later, might as well do it now.

8GB is enough right now but 16 would gurantee that you don't have to do anything about it for at least five years. So buy 2x8GB kit if you can afford it, otherwise consider between 1x8 or 2x4 and buy another set in two to three years.

>>57382316
Yes. It'll be safe for another 3 to 4 years, and often lasts longer than that.

>>57382298
Reinstalling windows is recommended, windows installs some architecture-specific components that might not work on other systems.

Get i5 6500 and any socket 1151 b150 motherboard. 6600 is only worth it if you go for k model, and that is only worth buying if you're planning on overclocking it.

Is an 880k worth it over the 860k for the extra money?

>>57382513
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Athlon-X4-880K-vs-AMD-Athlon-X4-845/m121029vsm84491

845 is newer, cheaper, better

>>57382513
Its a dead socket.

Either hold off till zen in Q1 2017 or buy locked skylake and OC it.

>>57382560
>Its a dead socket.

And? How is that different from literally every intel cpu?

Im deciding which 1070 to buy. My current considerations are
Maybe Palit Gamerock, Gainward Phoenix GS
>look pretty shit and are not best in price or performance
Certainly MSI X, Gigabyte Xtreme and G1, Asus Strix OC and Zotax Amp! Extreme
Those seven models are kind of nicely available and priced in the range i want to spend. I will decide based on feeling and looks between those in some time.
What are your oppinions on these? Can anyone reasonably argument for or against buying any of these?

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Thoughts before I spend 20K (I live in Canada so the price is doubled

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Posted this in the last few threads, want any final thoughts and sanity check before I lock in my selection. Purpose of this rig is intensive gaming and my budget is £2000.

>Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor
>Noctua NH-D15S 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler
>MSI Z170A GAMING M5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
>Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
>Corsair Force LS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
>Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
>MSI GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card
>Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case
>Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
>Acer XG270HU 27.0" 144Hz Monitor

Reasoning:
>I'm not a Youtuber, but I do play a lot of CPU intensive games and RTS, I'm also looking to future proof for DX12 games which is why I've gone for the i7 6700K and not the i5 6600 as many people have suggested
>There is no difference between using 8GB and 16GB of RAM at this time for gaming, it's easy to upgrade to 16GB if I need to anyway
>The GPU is something I've put a lot of thought into; the arguments to get the 1070 over the 1080 make perfect sense and I agree with them but as I want to be gaming in 1440p - and I will look to upgrade to 4k in the coming years when I don't have to upgrade to a 40" for it to be worth it - I want a solid, consistent 60+FPS from my games at a minimum. The 1070 can struggle at 1440p with some games at max settings. Yes, I can OC it, but I can also OC the 1080 and, because I'll be running a 144Hz monitor, the higher FPS will make a difference and games will only get more taxing on hardware. Plenty of people will disagree but my mind is pretty made up on this.

Thoughts or final bits of advice will be appreciated. Thanks.

>pic related, the keyboard I'm getting; ducky shine 5

>>57382742
Not enough LEDs you faggot.

>>57382742
>buys liquid cooler with pre-applied thermal paste
>still buys thermal paste
Get out of here, kid.

>>57382614
>MSI X, Gigabyte Xtreme and G1, Asus Strix OC
I'd buy one of these. The Zotac one is probably decent too but I haven't heard as much about it as from these three. Asus Strix has been the best one in couple of reviews I've seen and MSI Gaming X is not far behind it. Gigabyte Xtreme seems a bit overpriced at the moment, atleast in here.

Palit is absolutely bottom-tier card, I woudnt recommend it at all. In theory it should be as reliable but I'd rather pay extra for peace of mind and less noise. Gainward doesn't have as bad of a reputation but it's still a cheap version card with worse cooling.

The differences are very minor though, any of the better ones will overclock to same values and be almost as loud. Some people recommend going for the one which is currently cheapest, and that'll work fine as long as you avoid reference cards and shitty brands like Inno3D or Palit.

>>57382753
Seems a bit silly to pour that much money into a build and then cheap out on SSD and memory. There are other ways of saving money.

>>57382742
>10 thousand burgercoin build
>no raid setup

>>57382834
>cheap out on SSD and memory
You're right, but I'm not entirely sold on the SSD idea. I'm quite happy to stick with a HDD and only use the SSD for my most played games and OS which is why I haven't gone big on it. As I said, RAM is always easy to upgrade and it's only going to get cheaper.

>>57382834
>Asus Strix has been the best one in couple of reviews I've seen and MSI Gaming X is not far behind it
Yeah, the Asus is consistently ahead of the MSI but only very slightly. Most games it pushes out 1-2 more FPS than the MSI, which doesn't really justify the price increase in my opinion.

>>57382834
>Palit is absolutely bottom-tier card, I woudnt recommend it at all.
What? It has a three slot cooler and is more silent than all but MSI X

>>57382829
Seems legit.
You still have to replace thermal paste every year or so anon....

>>57382911
>not putting a whole syringe on to last forever

>>57382753
>I'm also looking to future proof for DX12 games which is why I've gone for the i7 6700K and not the i5 6600 as many people have suggested
DX 12 has LESS processor overhead, not more.

>>57382973
dx12 will allow better multithreading

the right choice in this instance is AMD

8350 + 470 is the dx12/vulkan build

>>57382855
Game installs push up to 60GB and beyond now, you won't fit more than a couple on there.

>>57382988
thank totalfaggot and his texture autism

most games probably ship with 3-4x as much texture data as would be visible on an average 1080p screen

what happend to "hd texture" packs so the rest of us don't have to be punished by the 4k meme niggers?

>>57382973
It's more efficient with utilizing the CPU's threads, which is one of the main advantages over the i7 has over the i5.

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>>57382742
>you will never have this much to build a pc with

>>57382988
>60GB
What game besides GTA V?

I need a mouse for gaming kurwa and I need it now but apparently amazon doesn't sell the G400/500 anymore so wtf should I get?

No razers, they're trash

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>>57382986
>the right choice in this instance is AMD
>AMD

>>57383018
I'd blame Blurays more to be honest. Developers try to stuff those things as full as they can, doesn't matter if it is uncompressed audio or whatever.

>>57383038
If you want logitech then g402/g502 are pretty good.

>>57383038
G402, best mouse ever.

>>57383018
It's mostly a lack of compression actually. Usually audio and video files which devs don't bother to try to compress because if a game's file size is bigger, shitheads assume the game is better.

Ever notice how pirate repacks manage to cut down file size so dramatically? They don't do it by reducing texture size.

>>57383023
>>57382986
Ah yes for all your DX12 Paradox games.

>>57383038
If you want something with the subdued aesthetics of a G400, try a Zowie mouse. I got an FK after my G400 died, it's great.

>>57383083
>>57383116
They as good as their predecessors? BEcause the 400/500 were bomb af

>>57383145
Well, yeah.

>>57383162
I had a G400s, I think the G402 is better.

Buying a HDD. Should I get Seagate or WD?

>>57383038
G403 is pretty good.

>>57383215
HGST

Should I bother with an M.2 PCIe SSD, or stick with what I know and go SATA? I don't transfer big files much, but the cost difference isn't all that huge.

>>57383224
>>57383215
/thread
If you can't get a cheap HGST where you live get a Toshiba P300, don't buy a refurb HGST, though.

Is my upgrade build shit:

>cpu
i5-6600K

>mobo
Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3

>gpu
Sapphire radeon rx 480 4gb

>ram
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB ddr4-3000

I have an 6yr old chieftec CFT-650-14CS PSU (650w) which I see no reason to upgrade (?)
and then a fractal design define r5 just because the one I have now is ugly as fuck and I can't be arsed to clean it
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/hG3VBP

Is there a specific reason there's no am3+ motherboards that supports DDR4 ram? Thinking of getting an FX 8350/9590 because BUDGET

What GTX1070 or 1080 brands don't set on fire?

Is Arctic Silver permanent? I'm trying to take off an Intel stock cooler but it feels like it's fused to the mobo

>>57369183
Not really. Just make a duct if you're super worried about the airflow to the heatsink.

>>57375094
3gb version is gimped, avoid it.

>>57376176
Faster RAM makes a difference.

>>57383304
Because that socket is now old as shit and will be replaced if Zen comes out in a few months.

>>57383318
Twist it a little and it should pop off.

>>57383316
As long as you don't go for EVGA you should be okay. Either MSI or Asus is your best bet.

>>57383333
Didn't say to get slow RAM and the difference between 3000 and 3200 is negligible. Anyways, there are cheaper options even for 3200 RAM:
http://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#Z=8192002&X=0,6455&sort=a10&s=403000,403200

>>57383127
most textures are already DXT compressed these days, but it's a limited compression and when you have thousands of 8k textures it adds up

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>>57369130
Does anybody know this company? First time I've heard of them, but their price is impossible to beat

I have no idea whether it's b-list chink garbage or not, can't find any information on the internet.

>>57384226
It's very rare for genuine electronics to be sold at heavily discounted prices unless they are faulty or knockoffs. If no one has heard of them that's usually a good indicator as well.

>>57383316
Zotac

>>57384352
They sell more than just that unit, and the other ones seem to be roughly equivalent to the market price. I'm not sure why that DDR3 stick in particular so much cheaper than everything else.

I live in the land of the free returns anyway so there's no risk of me being scammed by a missing or fake product - the only risk would be them dying prematurely, but I don't think RAM can really die due to age (can it?)

I checked their website and they claim a 10-year warranty, but who knows if they'll actually deliver on it. Either way, I desperately need some RAM and I really don't want to pay $400 when I could pay $180 instead, so I might give it a shot.

Worst thing that could happen is that it isn't really ECC memory, but I can easily test that I guess.

>>57384832
new

>>57372619
If you just want 2133hz DDR4 ram just get a H110 motherboard.