Is owning an Apple product basically an admission of technology

>>57334293
/thread

>>57334289
Yes.

>>57334443
/thread

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>>57334453

>>57334289
Originally yes. Nowadays it's also an admission of homosexuality.

- you see those prices
- you see those specs
- you see those faggots posting Apple products
- you see those "Great Wall of China" long reports on stuff that Apple failed utterly at (security, performance, stability ...)

And there are still people who believe that owning Apple products is not an admission of technology illiteracy.

This world is just crawling with idiots.

>>57334289
Owning? Nah.
Preferring? Probably.

I own a MacBook Pro since it was required for school but no way in hell would I buy one if I had a choice otherwise.

I have bought iPods in the past though since for a while they were legit one of the best DAPs around. I have also enjoyed Zune, Cowon, and Sansa players though.

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>>57334500

>>57334509
I am not even owning a smart phone. I didn't even mention Android. Smart phones are dead to me as well as other Apple products are. I just like making fun of people who still think that Apple stands for quality.

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>>57334529
>I am not even owning a smart phone.

>>57334509
This is also the reason why atheists try to change religious mindset. Your shitty phone is so influental that it creates shitty standards for our superior phones.

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>>57334601
wow, i really need to rethink some things

thanks anon

>>57334289
No but starting threads like these sure is admission of autism.

Yes, OP. This also applies to Samsung phones. If someone uses an iPhone or Samsung, there's a 99% chance they struggle with basic administrative tasks on their phone.

>>57334289
Homosexuality too.

>>57334289
>OSX
>Certified Unix
>Tech illiteracy

wew lad

>>57334289
owning any modern consumer product is in these days of paying thousands of dollars an upgrade for 5% more frames in your shitty video games

>>57334820
>>Certified Unix
>>>wew lad
CONFIRMED FOR TECH ILLITERATE

Mac is a million times better for programming than Windows.
>mfw people actually develop without a package manager and a proper shell

>>57334289
The marketing guy of Apple is literally called Schiller, should be evidence enough

It's an admission of nothing significant unless it's the newer cucked models or a retina/MBA (same fucking thing)

Non-cucked macbooks are mere hundreds away from comparable thinkpads on ebay. You get a better trackpad, and at what cost? You have to bust open a couple screws to replace the battery or swap the CD drive you never use for a hard drive instead of using plastic latches. Who fucking cares.

>>57334879
>proper shell
>sh/bash/zsh/fish/etc

Use perl.

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>>57334879
>mfw

>>57334289
so all of silicon valley is technologically illiterate? if anything, linux users get laughed at here because we know they spent all their time downloading drivers and getting their package managers to work instead of writing code. can't be a 10x engineer when you're playing 10x sys admin.

>>57335054
>downloading drivers
Stopped reading there.

>>57335054
sure is fantasy in here

>>57334487
/thread

>>57334879
>Mac is a million times better for programming than Windows.

Linux is a million times better for programming than Mac

>>57335219
But it's not.

>>57335262
But it is.

>>57334844
http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3627.htm

nice try pajeet

>>57335310

All the serious programming is done on Windows because it's all Windows software. GNU/Linux has a marketshare of 3.4ish% in the software developing industry.

>>57334645
Quality post

Correct opinion

However I think Samsung is slighty better than iPhone's, some Samsung phones are ok but 99% of Samsung phone owners are technologically illiterate

>>57335345
> Unix == UNIX
Et tu, poo in loo.

>>57334289
Shitting on Apple products is a product of festering envy and an inability to face reality.
Kids do it to be cool.

>>57335869
This meme is getting tiresome. Everyone knows OS X is UNIX. If you don't, you don't belong on /g/.

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>>57334529
>Smart phones are dead to me

I bought a new car on black Friday a couple years ago and it came with a free iPad mini. Does that count?

>>57335920
Okay, Pajeet.

"Certified Unix" is incorrect because OS X is NOT Unix, it is UNIX. Unix lives on in Solaris.

>>57335434
>mistakes "programming at" for "programming for"

Go away.

>student comes to my university chair, wants to write a thesis on neural networks
>if you run those kinds of calculations on a CPU, it'll take literally hours or days
>so the stuff runs on GPUs with dozens or hundreds of kernels, using CUDA
>student is asked what computer he has
>well, I have a Macbook Air and a Mac Pro at home
>then you either buy a pc with an nVidia graphics card or you choose another subject
>face drops
>exit student

True story, happend the week before last. And I honestly don't know where he got the idea that he could do that with Apple products.

>>57337462
you can run it on AMD, in theory, but they haven't bothered to make any attempt at APIs.

>>57337462
>so the stuff runs on GPUs with dozens or hundreds of kernels, using CUDA

Don't you mean processors? That's what GPUs are good at, after all - lots of parallel computing. A kernel shouldn't have anything to do with direct graphics processing.

>>57337565
Kenerl is not only the term used for the operating system kernel, but also for the programs that run on the GPU core subdevices or whatever you call them. (They are sometimes also called kernels.)
The main thing here is that you have between a hundred and two thousand processors which you can instruct individually to do simple math operations in parallel, which vastly speeds up training and running a neural network.

What I'm baffled by is that this is told in our lectures, and the student still had no idea about that when he came to suggest a thesis. But then again we have students who don't go to lectures, but instead go through selected chapters of the lecture script, assembling a sort of half-knowledge of the matter.

>>57334601
i'm an atheist and don't give a shit what people believe, i've even been to a couple church sermons for odd reasons and it was pretty chill, fight me faggot

>>57334289
Pretty much.

>>57334505
I never understood needing apple computers for school. What in the he'll are people doing in classes that requires OS X?

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>>57334879
Windows has access to the Ubuntu userland, which provides more packages (also more up to date) than what you'll find on fagOS

I use Linux but if it didn't exist I certainly wouldn't use mAcOs10

>>57334289
Yes, but I also generally distrust people with Macs. They very often are dishonest, two-faced, or worse.
It has saved me a few times.

Pretty much. Every iPhone user I have seen is either some teenage girl or local fag at starbucks who boast about how great apple is while giving no objective reasons why.

>>57338123
You don't use OS-X for its technical superiority.

you use it because it looks nice, works (or at least to the user) and has access to most of the Unix dev toolchain.

Its almost like a Linux enviroment, but you get software support (office, etc) and less bugs visible to the user (Xorg crashing etc)

>>57337873
Secularism is non existent you prick.
I'd be chill as well if I didn't have to pay my taxes as well, alongside receiving huge fundings.

>most widely used devices in the developed world
>still acting like they're new

Its time to go outside. The Apple ecosystem has existed before a lot of you were born.

>>57334529

>I am not even owning a smart phone.

Textbook pajeet sentence structure. Back to the call center Prickesh.

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>>57340263
> muh unix

> less bugs visible to the user
that shit crashes all the time, you just mindkill yourself daily

> software support
nothing compared to windows

It's an admission of not having so much free time that one feels compelled to flash roms and deal with chink quality garbage

>>57338178

>Every iPhone user I have seen is either some teenage girl or local fag at starbucks

You're trying a little too hard and its visible.

>>57340338
In my country it's mostly niggers

>>57340303
Actually, I am from Germany. I am so sorry if I hurt your grammatical feelings, but where I am coming from we don't have "safe zones".

>>57340740

>where I am coming from we don't have "safe zones".

Yeah, just Sharia and ficki zones.

>>57341190
>lol this misinformed
Go home, /pol/.

>>57337932
There are a few universities and private high schools I know of in the US who base their entire IT Network/System set up around the Apple Ecosystem.

>>57334289
It is.

>>57340740
You're gov't is literally jailing people for having opinions that go against 'safe-space' ideals.

No, are you some kind of an idiot to seriously think that? When was the last time you spoke to a human being? Have you hit puberty yet? Why am I browsing the same website as children?

So many questions

>>57341392
Wasn't even aware of that. Any proof? Can be English as well.

>>57341679
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160412/09265634163/comedian-could-face-3-years-german-not-turkish-jail-mocking-notoriously-thin-skinned-turkish-president.shtml

First Google result, it's getting as bad as France over there.

>>57341770
Dude, you are terribly uninformed.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6hmermann_affair
>The case was dropped in October 2016.

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>>57334289
opposite.
Apple is the only technological choice.

You guys know that have of of the Silicon Valley dudes use Macs, right?

Most programmers I know use Macs too?

>>57334289
having a single apple product isn't.

praising them unconditionally for the shit they are now putting out is.

>>57334509
i like this picture cause don worries about pete sometimes. what he says is non indicative as to how he feels.

>>57342381
i do enjoy the unix-ness of mac

>>57341770
On top of that (>>57342360), he was insulting the turkish president and not just having 'opinions that go against 'safe-space' ideals'.

>>57342402
>You guys know that have of of the Silicon Valley dudes use Macs, right?
Thanks for proving OP right.

>>57342558
He wasn't "insulting". He explicitly said that this was forbidden.

God, you are retarded. Get out of here, you are just making a fool out of yourself. Or stay here and suffer as I laugh at how retarded you are. Your choice.

>>57334289
No. there are people who want to protect their data from the feds. Just never do a backup on your computer cause your data is easily obtainable not on iCloud cause in that case apple would happily give your data over. Also always make your device reset after ten password tries. Basically if you want to store CP buy an iPhone.

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>>57342381
>>57342501
>muh UNIX
>doesn't respect POSIX

>>57342402
it's hipster land

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>>57338178
and fugly sluts

>>57342857
It does respect POSIX

>m-m-muh poll() regression bug
Who cares, if you use poll or select instead of kqueue you are a nigger and should be dragged out in the streets and shot.

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>>57334289
Yes. Here is proof.

>>57340305
See >>57342891

No one cares about an API that was designed in the 70s.

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>>57342891
Barely supports UNIX03, and not counting all the bugs.

>>57342906
Last update was in 2013.

As usual, macfags talk out of their gaping assholes.

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>>57342984
>barely supports
Are you delusional? It's a bug, it's still fully POSIX-2008 compliant.

>>57342984
>Last update was in 2013.
That doesn't mean that poll() wasn't designed in the 70s you fucking imbecile. Are you so delusional you think poll() was introduced in 2013?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poll_(Unix)

Anyway, those curl developers are just butthurt because they are too incompetent to implement using epoll on Linux and kqueue on FreeBSD and macOS.

>>57343036
>it's the user's fault!!!!1111

Mactoddlers everyone.

>>57343069
>he uses Linux
>he complains about lacking POSIX conformity

According to POSIX, data loss is perfectly acceptable for a file system.

If you think this is a good standard, you should kill yourself. There's a reason why Linux doesn't give a shit about trying to be fully POSIX compliant.

>>57343069
I know, right? Remember when malloc() issued a kernel call every fucking time, causing it to be slow as fuck, and the apple retards defended it?

Or when they discovered that realloc() didn't do anything? You allocate 100 MB, then realloc it to 10 KB, and the rest is just gone forever?

Apple - not even once.

>>57343069
>using poll()
>not using kqueue() or epoll()

There's literally no excuse.

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>>57343036
>That doesn't mean that poll() wasn't designed in the 70s you fucking imbecile.
I never claimed that. Only that POSIX is still relevant as of today.
Why are you arguing only by my misrepresenting my arguments? What do you gain by lying on the Internet for a faceless corporation?

Do you think being a Macfag is part of your identity or something? You know, I have some stuff I bought and I'm not afraid to point their flaws.
Because unlike you I'm not a cuck, and should not kill myself.

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>>57343128
>you're using it wrong

>>57343131
>Only that POSIX is still relevant as of today.
It's not, see >>57343100

>Why are you arguing only by my misrepresenting my arguments? What do you gain by lying on the Internet for a faceless corporation?
You're the one claiming that poll() is relevant for anything other than legacy reasons. You fail to argue why exactly, other than memeposting "muh POSIX"

>Do you think being a Macfag is part of your identity or something
I'm not even a Macfac, I use Linux exclusively. I'm just used to the standard trolling about not conforming to POSIX coming from BSD hipsters.

>You know, I have some stuff I bought and I'm not afraid to point their flaws.
>he buys software
You're the cuck, faggot.

>>57343148
Yes, yes you are.

poll() doesn't scale. epoll() does.

Kill yourself for being an inferior Pajeet webcuck.

>>57343168
>>>57343100
>it's not mandatory so doing it doesn't respect the spec
retard

> stuff
> implying it's software
there you go again, can't do anything but misrepresent

>>57343178
> curl needs to be web scale
i bet you use node.js

Kill yourself.

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>>57334289
TYPICAL MACFAG

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>>57334289
another one
never trust any tech advice from someone with an apple device ever

>>57343227
curl is not only a command utility, but it is a widely used library for doing FTP and HTTP in C and C++

So yes, it needs to be scalable and yes people have complained about bad performance since forever and designing their own work arounds and sometimes even forking.

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When macfags come to /g/

>>57343227
>it's not mandatory so doing it doesn't respect the spec
Again, who cares about the spec? According to the "spec", data loss in a file system is acceptable. Would you use a file system that lost parts of your data? No, of course you wouldn't.

POSIX is a glass ceiling BSD memers use to justify their smug feeling of superiority over other NIXes such as Linux.

>>57343249
>the internet was created on a network of macs to start with
He's not far from the truth, though. Tim Bernes-Lee created the WWW on a bunch of NeXTSTEP computers (the predecessor to the modern mac).

>>57342707
even worse, Germans are too cucked to realize they are in their own safe space.
>its a punishable offense to give "abusive criticism" of a foreign leader.
Sounds like great place to live.

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> data loss is acceptable
> macOS: 1000% POSIX compliant

>>57334289
but I program on an apple

>>57340740
isn't it against the law to insult foreign heads of state in Germany? Didn't some comedian get arrested for writing a song about erdogan?

>>57343352
Hahaha.

>>57343299
kek

>>57343390
>bug in git affects Mac OS and Windows users
>and Windows users
>HURR DURR MACTODDLERS DDURRRRR

Nice logic

>>57343332
>Bernes-Lee
He is a fucking moron. He is a stone of shame for everyone working at CERN (out-of-band information about the content length? We don't NEED that).

>>57343412
>Didn't some comedian get arrested for writing a song about erdogan?
He didn't, Erdogan wanted Merkel to change the law. I don't remember the outcome of that, but laws are not applied retroactively in any other country than the US.

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>>57343425
>this thing is retarded so I'm not retarded
>not even what the article is actually talking about
macfag logic everyone

>>57343441
>complaining about HTTP by using HTTP

>>57343412
He didn't get arrested, and the law is an age-old artifact that is going to be removed soon.

And the lawsuit was dropped. No shits were given. But that wouldn't stop /pol/ spewing its nonsense.

>>57343448
No the article talks about case sensitivity, which is not about being POSIX compliant.

But your butthurt is showing though, and it's absolutely hysterical that you've gone to great lengths to save all these pictures.

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>>57334289
here's another typical macfag
don't hurt his feelings, he well hack you

>>57334433
>>57334453
/thread

I love how triggered /g/ gets by apple.

It never ceases to entertain me.

>>57343486
It's even funnier how triggered they get when you point out OS X is UNIX.

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>>57343469

>>57343453
So you want to use NNTP again? Frankly, I wouldn't care. I wouldn't care as long as the length of the message is always 16 bytes directly at the beginning of the fucking protocol.

>>57340263
>because it looks nice
In the age where I can just type the name of a desktop environment I want/look online for Windows10 NoBotnet themes, "Looks nice" is not an argument.

>>57334820
99% of iPhone users have no idea what Unix is or what any of its commands are

>>57340321
>chink quality garbage
Guess where Apple is made.

>>57343503
>Linus hates HFS+
Who cares what that hack thinks, Linus also hates functional programming and C++.

Also, friendly reminder that Linus couldn't be bothered with making Linux POSIX compliant, and thus it's not a UNIX. GNU is even a reverse acronym for GNU Not Unix.

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>>57343408
No you don't.

>>57343540
>Who cares what that hack thinks, Linus also hates functional programming and C++.
With damn good reasons.

>>57343540
not sure why you're rambling about POSIX here
forcefully converting unicode is a recipe for disaster
>inb4 you're using it wrong

>>57343503
>rants about case sensitivity in file names
>no real arguments against HFS+
>actually acknowledges that HFS+ protects the user's data (unlike ext-based filesystems btw)

Linus sure gets hung up on weird and irrelevant details, such as the time when he told Fedora developers to retroactively abort themselves because they required root privileges to add a external device (printer).

>>57343527

saying iphone users represent those who use a mac professionally is like saying all android users represent the linux userbase.

iphones far outstrip macs in sales numbers so of course the vast majority of users have no idea what unix is, neither do android users.

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>>57343569
>not sure why you're rambling about POSIX here
Don't try to move the goalpost faggot.

>>57343556
Not really, his opinions on C++ are extremely dated and shows that he has no idea how C++ actually works. And his views on functional programming are just blatantly ignorant.

>>57343592
>unusual obsession with Microsoft
>actually thinks iTunes is good

Except neither Microsoft nor iTunes has been mentioned in this thread.

>>57343596
C++ still takes a fucking eternity to compile and relies so much on the fucking heap that I can totally understand not using such an hack of a language for something important like kernel development.

>>57343596
on what? HFS being shitty? it is. do you even know how unicode works?

>>57343574
>actually acknowledges that HFS+ protects the user's data (unlike ext-based filesystems btw)
ext3 had journaling before MaCoS10
he also said it does a shitty job at it, can you read?

>>57343592
iTunes is good, prove me wrong

>>57334509
Mad men was so fucking good holy shit
Being a typical 4chan faggot I idolized draper as the ideal chad male I should strive to be; and seeing him utterly destroyed at the end gave me feels that lasted for weeks.

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>>57334289
I wouldn't trust their employees either.

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>>57343667
>mfw using apple music on android

it's good desu

>>57343640
C++ takes forever to compile because of generics and templates, something you would use in your OS code

>relies so much on the fucking heap
Not unless you explicitly do so.

>>57343661
>on what?
Follow the chain of posts faggot. Stop pretending you don't know what we were discussing.

>do you even know how unicode works?
unicode filenames are a meme, no one cares that you want to store your anime using japanese filenames ken-sama


>ext3 had journaling before MaCoS10
ext3 had some serious limitations though. But even so, I'm not saying that HFS+ is good (because it really isn't), but bitching about filenames (really) isn't good technical criticism. It's the equivalent of saying that Microsoft Windows is shit because the WiFi is slow.

>he also said it does a shitty job at it, can you read?
Linus says a lot of things when he's angry, see >>57343574

Not a mac person but I like iphones.

>>57334289
Good thread.

>>57343819
>Not a gay person but I like sucking dick.

>>57343807
>something you would use in your OS code
Err, no, I wouldn't.

>Not unless you explicitly do so.
Just passing an error through exceptions already uses the heap.

>>57343807
>you're using it wrong

>>57343745
Poor guy. Man can only work with Pajeets for so long before their habits start rubbing off him...

>>57334289
no, but a vast majority of the time bad-mouthing apple is a sign of technological illiteracy.

It's too easy and meaningless, it's like babby's first pretentious tech thought.

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>>57343882
that's what you get when you allow Syrian immigrants

>>57343853
>Err, no, I wouldn't.
I mean wouldn't. Sorry, typo.

>Just passing an error through exceptions already uses the heap.
But throwing exceptions require you to throw exceptions, which you usually don't at OS level.

http://wiki.osdev.org/Languages

Embedded C++ is a small subset of actual C++.

>>57343860
Where did I say anything at all about users or using something? Are you just using meme arrows for fun?

>>57343957
If I don't use templates and exceptions, then what's the fucking point in programming a kernel in C++ anyways? If I leave all the convenience features out of it, what I effectively get is C.

>>57343957
>unicode support is broken but but but I don't need it
always the same with macfags

>>57334509
>i don't think about you at all
That's because apple users don't think at all.

>>57343992
>unicode support is broken
There is no "broken unicode support", it's simply only ISO something something in the fucking FILE NAMES. Nobody cares that you are unable to save anime in Japanese, fucking weeaboo.

Who the fuck cares, Windows uses some arbitrary ASCII standard in its filenames too, are you going to make a crazy rant about that too?

>>57343976
>some iToddler actually got so assblasted he went home and drew that comic in a teary rage

topkek

>>57344026
t. the same guy posting all these memes about Apple in a teary rage

>>57344024
But you can use those characters. It will normalize characters, meaning that you save a file as a certain name, the actual name will be slightly different. Please look it up before making an ass of yourself once more.
So I was right, you understood nothing, and yet defended an imaginary issue!

Do you have ANY reason not to kill yourself right now?

>>57344084
>But you can use those characters. It will normalize characters, meaning that you save a file as a certain name, the actual name will be slightly different.

But you fucking illiterate faggot, that's what I fucking wrote.

>So I was right, you understood nothing, and yet defended an imaginary issue!

So now you're outright lying to win an internet argument. Wow.

>>57344112
No, you said "only ISO something". That's not it. It has Unicode support, but the issue is in there:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_equivalence

You made an ass out of yourself twice now.

>>57342891
>it respects POSIX, except when it doesn't, but that doesn't matter!

>>57344146
>no, you didn't say that!!! I DECIDE WHAT YOU SAID!!!! I WIN I WIN I WIN LALALALALA

Oh, you sad and lonely butthurt little neet.

>>57344165
Conforming to POSIX means following the specification.

Bugs are bugs, anon. It's like saying that 4chan isn't actually 4chan because it has bugs.

>>57343502
But it's not.

>>57344170
"only ISO something" definitively meant no Unicode support.
Sore loser.

See OP, I just answered your question: macfags are technically illiterate.

>>57341326
So basically educating students on a hopeful IT future in a environment on operating systems of sub marketshare.

I understand there would be demand for that, but it's still a gamble.

>>57344189
The spec demands a certain behaviour. If the bug makes it not follow the behaviour, then it's not following the spec.
My Hello World is an operating system, all the stuff documented in POSIX that it doesn't do are just bus guys, I swear.

>>57344249
>The spec demands a certain behaviour
The spec says that the call will ideally block, but may be preempted and return prematurely. In other words, there's nothing against the specification to not block, but it's silly to not block because you end up doing a busy wait.

You seem to be unaware what the actual bug is.

>>57344288
Source? That's not what I read at all.

>>57344306
Source on what? The blog post the curl devs are ranting in? That's already posted here: >>57340305

>>57344363
On the spec saying it can return prematurely.

>>57343517
windows doesn't look nice, most desktop enviroments look like shit without heavy customization.

>>57344372
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/tech/poll.html

>POLLIN Data other than high-priority data may be read without blocking. For STREAMS, this flag is set in revents even if the message is of zero length.

Of course, it is for sure a bug because the EOF is retriggering the event. But the case can happen where a message of 0 length still reawakens poll.

More about this here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18616716/why-does-poll-keep-returning-although-there-is-no-input?lq=1

>>57334289
Yes.

Proof: see thread replies