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> Discord
https://discord.gg/wdg
OR
https://discord.gg/0qLTzz5potDFXfdT
(they're the same)
>IRC Channel
#/g/wdg @ irc.rizon.net
Web client: https://www.rizon.net/chat
>Learning material
https://www.codecademy.com/
https://www.bento.io/
https://programming-motherfucker.com/
https://github.com/vhf/free-programming-books/blob/master/free-programming-books.md
https://www.theodinproject.com/
https://www.freecodecamp.com/
http://www.w3schools.com/
https://developer.mozilla.org/
http://www.codewars.com/
>Useful Youtube channels
derekbanas
thenewboston
learncodeacademy
funfunfunction
computerphile
codingrainbow
>Frontend development
https://github.com/dypsilon/frontend-dev-bookmarks
>Backend development
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_application_frameworks
[Gist] backendDevelopmentBookmarks.md (embed)
>Useful tools
https://pastebin.com/q5nB1Npt/ (embed)
https://libraries.io/ - Discover new open source libraries, modules and frameworks and keep track of ones you depend upon.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web - Guides for HTML, CSS, JS, Web APIs & more.
http://www.programmableweb.com/ - List of public APIs
>NEET guide to web dev employment
https://pastebin.com/4YeJAUbT/ (embed)
>How to get started
http://pastebin.com/pDT82mQS (embed)
>cheap vps hosting in most western locations
https://lowendbox.com
https://www.digitalocean.com/
https://www.linode.com/
https://www.heroku.com/
https://www.leaseweb.com
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1st for unemployed NEETs
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So guess who's been messing with lor (the lua web framework) for awhile now, looking for a simple replacement to node.js. It's biggest problem so far is documentation. It's all in chinkdilects so I have to decipher code in order to understand anything. Luckily it's lua, so it's not that hard to figure out,
I'll see how far I can go with it, my goal is to develop a videoboard (like an imageboard mixed with youtube)
wish me luck!
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>>57316224
2nd for /dpt/ fizzbuzzers
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How do you manage having a json api endpoint AND a form endpoint for the same thing? What's the correct approach?
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>>57316224
5th for employed minimum-wage earning recent college graduates working for second rate startups and getting fucked over by the system because very little experience and a dry portfolio.
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Working on a textboard. What features should I add?
>Pic related
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>>57313748
Fucking hell. I just finished restricting it. It's spewing 403 on everything but 4 specific URLs.
Thanks anon and yeah, express wasn't needed although I learned a thing or two about it.
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>>57316279
> my goal is to develop a videoboard (like an imageboard mixed with youtube)
literally what
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>>57317334
Are you aiming for a image board clone or something else?
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>>57317396
Something else.
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>>57317385
It's like when you post a webm on 4chan.
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>>57316710
Check the content-type header on the request. should be "application/json" for json and (iirc) "application/form-data" for forms.
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>>57317334
Depends on what you're doing.
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>>57317588
BTW, my ideas have always done well. Let's get you your idea. Tell me everything.
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>>57317460
That's good. Thanks my mane
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>>57317334
Replies.
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>>57317636
It has replies.
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>>57317646
No one knows what you want to do with your guestbook.
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How do I put id and class selectors in one css rule?
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>>57317423
so literally what's the differentiating factor
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>>57317738
nvm figured it out
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>>57316279
Make documentation. You will be the hero.
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reposting from sqt
i'm trying to update my home page and i want one of the links to be data:text/html, <html contenteditable> and i would like it to open in a new tab
right now every time i click it it opens in a new tab like it should, but then instantly closes<br><a href="data:text/html, <html contenteditable>" target="_blank">notepad</a>
why isn't this working?
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>>57316285
>>57316777
I was talking about myself :'(
but yeah, /dpt/ are a bunch of fizzbuzzers, and, apparently, you have to sell your soul to some shitty company for cheap to enter the system...
I know many langs, I have some little experience, and yet I still can't get hired. fml
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>>57317588
>>57317662
It's basically just gonna be a shitposting site for friends.
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>>57318092
btw, is freecodecamp really helpful if I want to get a job, or simply a way to learn some basic stuff while working for free? also, I live in south america... would it be helpful for me, at all?
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Why THE FUCK aren't 'dark themes' a standard across websites?
Even normies love dark themes so why the fuck hasn't it caught on?
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>>57318202
Because it's edgy as fuck and doesn't look good most of the time.
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>>57318218
tomorrow looks amazing though
and a lot of user made stuff (due to sites not officially supporting it) looks great
aesthetics can't possibly be the reason, web designers these days can barely put together a basic white aesthetic
its like all of a sudden the field was flooded with blind web devs who think youtubes current disaster of an aesthetic is the goal
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>>57317334
every time i see screenshots like this posted in /wdg/ i feel better about myself knowing that although i'm a shit designer at least there are a lot of people out there who are way shittier than me at designing web stuff.
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>>57318273
You really shouldn't think that way. It puts you into a trap of never really improving yourself because "someone is shittier". Everyone is figuring things out and learning, just like you.
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>>57318092
I was applying for jobs since around February before I finally got one in September. I didn't want to chimp out and get a job in a supermarket or some shit like that so I basically took a risk by being unemployed for all that time.
Try targeting startups. I'm working for one now, and while the pay is absolute horseshit but it's fun and I'm gaining experience. I work with 5 other full-time employees - two of whom are pretty attractive women my age. My boss is pretty chill but he knows fuckall about tech. Just the other day he asked me to update Whatsapp because he couldn't manage to do it himself. It's nice having a key input, almost all tech decisions related to the office goes through me first even though I'm just there to do web development lol.
I feel like if I stay here this thing could really take off and I could make a fortune off it someday so that why I haven't quit yet. I could potentially become assistant manager in the coming months if things go the way I expect it.
tldr: keep trying, find startups in your area ad apply.
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>>57318329
This advice doesn't work if you live, or want to work in a highly populated city (talking about capitals of the world tier basically), as startups there generally want people who are jack of all trades (and no im not just talking about being a full stack web dev). You can get away with lying, but teams are smaller and therefore you can't really just slap together shit.
But for everywhere else, it's great.
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>>57318273
Am I really that shit a designer?
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>>57318426
unless that's a rudimentary mockup/sketch of some kind
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how does one sell websites (say, a page for an hotel) when one isn't good at design? you download a (bootstrap or whatever) theme, modify it to add images & etc, slap it with some backend, add anything else the customer needs (say, some payment system) and sell it?
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>>57318426
I always assume it's just a prototype
I don't actually start styling things after I've shaped most of the back end
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>>57318570
Well i'm going to write a better CSS at some point, but i'd rather look at it than have to stare at a hideous unstyled page.
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>>57318565
no you get the contract before you make anything
and why would you be selling front end if you're shit at design
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>>57318614
because I don't have a web designer as partner, and because I know some JS/HTML/CSS so I can modify the templates myself?
I was asking about the practice itself
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Hey /wdg/. I did a bit of Java-based computer science in school. A lot of the programming was fairly fun, but I had a shit teacher and wasn't too fond of the higher level computer science stuff. I'm very interested in web dev as a hobby or possible future profession — would I like it any better? Have any of you been turned off by "regular" programming and/or computer science but found a place you like in web dev?
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>>57318664
then its time you brush up on some front end design
tbqh you can do a lot of good by just scratching the surface, like proper contrast and readability and color theory so that when you go to 'modify the templates' you'll do so in a positive manner
>>57318687
Try it out, only way you'll know it's for you.
Personally I love front end web dev and it's what first attracted me to the field but now I'm wanting to branch out into "regular", as you say, programming. Just personal experience a lot of people found web dev as their sole home.
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>>57317743
Think YouTube-esque big video in theater view for OP, then normal 4chan imageboard stuff replacing the comments.
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>>57318720
Front-end is also what is attracting me the most, but I think that might be partly because of my bad experience with what would be the closest to back-end in the past and I'm just letting it dwell too much.
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How can I make it more creepy? tfwnogf.com
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Anyone know if I can take random words on timeout and turn them into zalgo text?
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>>57319904
skeleton.css, the spookiest css microframework
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>>57319988
You're my post of the year.
I'm unfortunately extremely lazy.
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Are there any laws in the US about sites that allow user content? Like, are you legally required to log IPs and stuff?
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>>57321212
I don't think so.
I do only when I have a ban system.
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I have an old computer I want to turn into a little server to host my web apps and test them out.
I can easily set up a LAMP stack but how do I make it secure? I don't want the botnets to fuck my shit up. Any guides from A-Z to home servering?
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>>57321929
google "secure lamp server"
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>>57318565
you make a prototype design in photoshops and show it to the customer. a static image. customer will demand ugly terrible things you need that photoshop for your portfolio when youre done.
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>>57321929
If you're not knowledgeable about securing servers then just rent a VPS for 2 dollars a month.
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I've decided to get into web-dev. I tried html/css/js some time ago but gave up because I'm lazy.
I started with codecademy html/css course (currently at 42%) and I'm wondering when should I start doing my own stuff because I don't want to get bored? Same goes for Python, at around 50%.
I'm a bit worried that I might learn something wrong way (whatever that may be). So should I just learn what I need as I go on?
I did manage to setup my own personal page with Jekyll on Github pages but I don't really get it how it works (just googled everything and copied a free theme), should I try reproduce it with vanilla HTML/CSS/JS?
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>>57322186
Codeacademy is trash.
Learn how servers work.
Make one yourself.
Play with it.
Learn whichever you want:
>frontend
>backend
>fullstack
>design
Practice it, look for ideas for web apps. Make them.
Use books and youtube for tutorials.
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>>57322300
codeacademy is okay if you want to learn the syntax.
syntax is important
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>>57322300
Why is it trash? I'm using it just to get my feet way anyway and intend to read something more serious anyway.
With server I assume you mean software server not building physical one? Got any links on that topic?
Thanks for the reply, also nice dubs.
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>>57318202
Because businesses pay you money. Businesses like white so you work with white.
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>be me
>be looking for a job
>family members don't understand why I'm having difficulty
>they insist that you just need to show up in a suit and give a firm handshake and you'll walk out with any job you want
>they all work for the state and haven't had to go job hunting for 10+ years
>"I jus' don't understand how someone can make money makin' web pages anyway. There are plenty of factories around here hirin', why don't you go work for one of them? That's a real man's work, anyway."
Fucking boomers, man.
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>>57323062
why are there people complaining about not finding work?
webdev is not hiring?
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>>57323091
Well, I don't live in a good area for one thing. If you live in SF or NYC, I'm sure it would be much easier.
And web dev is actually somewhat hard to get into from zero. Once you have 3-5 years, the number of jobs available is ridiculous. The problem is that companies don't want someone they have to train. They want you to jump in and be productive from day 1 if possible. As a new dev, your skill level, intelligence, willingness to learn, personality, etc are all unknowns. It's hard to get yourself noticed because entry level jobs get swamped with people that literally can't even fizzbuzz and have no computer skills at all.
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>>57323211
>Mfw i'm getting into webdev
feels like i'm going to live in the street for a while
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>>57323233
The best thing you can do is have a solid web presence and portfolio (and, more generally, know your shit). Then, network like crazy. Go to any meetups and events you can and try to meet people in the industry. Try to show how passionate and interested you are. If you can get yourself in front of the right person, you're 1000% more likely to get noticed than if you just email your shitty resume.
That's my line of thinking, anyway. I'm unemployed though, so maybe you should ignore that and do something else.
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>>57323321
you sound like a sane person, i'll take your advices
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>>57323342
>taking employment advices from an unemployed 4chan poster
typical virgin
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>>57323321
Alternatively, be a gay trans-female minority and get diversity-hired.
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>>57323363
right this anon >>>/r9k/
i'lll take an advice that makes sense over a meme any day
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Working on a music player for my personal server.
Uses HTML5 and plays mp3 files.
Pic related: When you hover over the volume button, the volume bar appears
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I searched for a pretty keywordish domain name in domaintools. It lists the domain as 5$.
Nevermind. I forgot that US commas separate thousands not decimals. With that realization that 5$ turned into 4,999$
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>>57323519
LoliAnal.io? Yeah I tried to get it last week took
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is there any place I can get fast freelancer online jobs? don't matter if it's bitcoin, cheap or don't even pay at the beginning. I'm graduated in computer science, java certified and now i'm into web dev(intermediate html+css+js+sql+php like using objects,db system, mvc(codeigniter) , and learning drupal) and i'd like to dev something at my free time
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>>57323618
freelancer.com and upwork, but you'll have to compete in price with pajeets who will work for $2/hour
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>>57323634
2$/hour is even pretty good for an Europoor redneck like me
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hey webwizards
should I use the strange domain endings for my shitty site? why? or why not?
Example domain endings
>example.co.uk
>example.eu
>example.co
>example.info
>example.online
>example.club
>example.land
>example.guru
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>>57323732
>why
because you want it to
>why not
because traffic will be non existent until you get on first page of some google search
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>>57323634
do I have to talk with ppl? or can I just get the job done from their request? i hate to deal with ppl.
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>>57323763
>because traffic will be non existent until you get on first page of some google search
wouldn't that apply with ".com" aswell?
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>>57323784
no because people will have a higher chance of stumbling across example.com than they will example.pizza
but at the end of the day that doesn't matter if you're willing to spend time and money on advertising and it's a solid name
like pizza.hut makes sense, so maybe your website would work much better as a nonstandard domain
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>>57323732
yes yes yes yes no no no no
there you go
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>>57323765
You can probably just work through email. Their requests are typically terribly written, but I doubt you'd have to even skype with someone.
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>tfw you've been studying Erlang for 3 months but still have no idea how to make a webpage
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>>57323847
2bh this is me with every single new language basically
and even if i get past that part i'll forget other basic shit
you'll make it friend :)
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>>57323634
how should CS graduates even consider this type of work?
I mean $2/hour? wtf
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Looking for a cute kouhai to teach Node to.
Reqs:
must be cute (pics for ref) male or female and anything in between.
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>>57323892
plz teche me sensay
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>>57323876
why would they consider this type of work
lmao if they were actually doing what they're supposed to in school and not learning some basic as fuck concepts, then they'll have a job lined up for them at goog/face/micro/etc
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>enterprise java back-end work with the majority of the current and upcoming sprint work being heavily front-end
At least I don't have to mess with JavaScript and CSS as full stack anymore
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>>57323907
you saying they cant make bank with their supreme knowledge over the pajeets at freelancer?
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>>57323927
no because why the fuck would anyone choose to hire a $10/hour person for some basic project over pajeet who can do it with way less
any company who legitimately cares about their website will contact individual web developers, or just hire their own inhouse. people who use services like freelancer just want something cheap, and done fast
oh and it's not only pajeets, there are plenty of chinks who do an even better job than them - oh and they're "females" too, you won't get a job on freelancer lmao
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Hey /wdg/
right now, im having some doubts whether to go enterprise java or stay with MEAN
I just discovered Spring + thymeleaf + maven.
So I was first skeptical, beacause Java for the web is grandpa technology.
But then I started a small project and everything just fucking works. This is all literally Plug and Play. So while I was busting my ass learning node babel dependency hell, npm, gulp, webpack, grunt, vagrant, etc...
Java could do it all within the IDE. Everything is a simple maven import away. Theres no need to mess with HTTP requests because its all done for you. Load balancing? theres an app for that? caching? theres an app for that?
what do i do?? im depressed.
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>>57323876
well...that's what i'm getting right now from my job. When u don't have contacts to indicate u and bad social skills u'r pretty much fucked up to start ur career
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>>57323892
what do you define as cute does having a baby face count?
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>>57323970
Take a look at gradle and spring boot too
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>>57323973
>bad social skills
I swear I've tried everything. But people still dont like me.
I know im no hitler but man how can i be avoided this much?
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>>57323997
honestly find a meetup site and do things related to web dev, get your name out. Hell contact old classmates they may know someone.
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>>57323979
> pics for reference
also wouldn't hurt to list your hobbies.
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>>57323997
to begin with, I don't even start conversations cause I hate to talk...and I know i'm a pretty hard to talk with so I can't blame ppl. All i'd like to is to waste all my time on pc but even to program u need to deal with ppl.
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>>57324019
that would be great if I didn't fuck up an oportunity a friend give me long ago cause I didn't wanna to tech support, and can u imagine what I was doing till last month? tech support
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>>57323997
I'm so sick of this 'I joined CS because no social skills' meme.
If you want a job, you need communication skills. Period. I wish that 99% of my classmates weren't sperglords
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>>57324037
I can list hobbies but unless you got a link i aint putting my face on 4chan.
>snowboarding
>rock climbing
>running
>cooking
>shitposting
>MTG
>board games
>some vidya
>modding OG xbox's
>looking into mechanics of various games (JJBAHftF, Hokuto no Ken, melee etc)
>music taste: synthwave, future funk
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>>57323970
can you tell us how you discovered this stuff? from a book, a tutorial, videos or something?
there are a shitload of java jobs in my area...
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>>57324120
you don't sound cute at all.
sorry not interested.
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How do you guys deal with days where you literally cannot be fucked to do any work?
I have plenty of clients and charge a good rate but simply don't want to do any work at the moment.
Wat do?
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>>57324146
rub one out and get to work.
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>>57324093
its not a meme.
its actual fact.
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>>57324146
Dunno, fear of starvation and homelessness, and looking at my debt is usually enough motivation
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>>57324143
;-; pls respond
>>57324146
go somewhere and use the social pressure to make me do work
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>>57324163
that's a shout, i'll try going to a cafe and pretend to be a normie
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>>57324179
literally what I do everyday don't go to a shitty cafe, if possible go to an Italian cafe with wifi
>good coffee
>everyone is there to do work
>sometimes gelato
also sit by the window this way you have to deal with people in store and people passing by.
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>>57324129
discovered what stuff? Java?
college i guess. Everyone uses Java in college.
Im the only one who messes with javascript.
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>picking a development partner
>met with every shop in town. interviewed with a few remotely.
>picked a proposal
>owner decides to join the process
>invites some guy to tear apart the proposal
>says a bunch of stupid shit, like rails is 10 years old, so it's a legacy framework
>agile development is a fad, everything needs to be documented as we write it
apparently this guy is like a trusted advisor, so it looks like we're going to go with his "guy" in Florida, who is a russian and outsources all his work to russians. Most of the work we need is design/UI/UX related, so I'm sure it will work great.
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>>57324207
wait..
you program at cafes?
So buying some coffee lets you stay there for hours? also what are you coding fizz buzz? how can you focus like that? and don't you get embarrassed when people pass by you and they see you watching anime on the corner of your screen?
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>>57324146
block 4chin in ur hosts
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>>57324207
not so much in the way of traditional italian coffee in rural blighty, my choice is pensioners tea room or try-hard hipster lounge
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>>57324146
go exercise, taking note of proper post exercise stretching and care
then settle with some tea and work
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>>57324208
>discovered what stuff? Java?
>>57323970
>I just discovered Spring + thymeleaf + maven.
I know some Java, but I have no fucking clue what Spring is
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>>57324129
https://spring.io/guides/gs/serving-web-content/
Go ham, it's all easy stuff, spring has modules for basically everything
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>>57324223
everynow and then yeah, or just go to get work done.
yes, sometimes I don't buy and they don't give a shit
no, usually mock ups for projects I want to do or learning something for a class.
social pressure to not look like an aspie/not a normie
extremely so I don't sit in the corner and block anime sites
>>57324247
tea is god tier too, tried a hipster lounge wanted to die
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>>57324246
It's basically the only reason we're looking for a partner. I can make the software do exactly what we need, but I can't make it responsive, intuitive, shiny, or sexy.
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>>57324272
Spring is basically a framework for a lot of shit.
Its basically a template for most things you would want to do in Java.
For example.
MVC is literally add your controller here, add yuor view there, and your models there.
fuck whats happening in the background.
Spring is a black box that will make magic happen.
shit just works, i dont know why theres not a drag and drop app for this stuff. on second though maybe there is.
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so if Java is so easy why doesn't Java have more presence in the Web dev market?
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>>57324274
thanks m8
>>57324326
I meant I wanted to learn.. >>57324274 helped.
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>>57324364
you don't learn Spring.
as there is nothing to learn. Just monkey see monkey do and you'll be all right. Theres literally no thinking involved.
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>>57324345
Because java is shit for webdev. You don't need OOP to serve up some documents.
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>>57324345
lmao
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>>57324456
so what? Java is bad because it has too overheard?
but thats not true at all.
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>>57324345
are you kidding? node.js and other meme webdev langs are used for shitty websites. the biggest ones use Java/C# (but mostly Java, I'd guess) and they pay a lot of money for their websites...
>>57324378
cool then, less work to do. who wouldn't want to be paid to do almost nothing?
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wdg probably has the most esl users out of any gen on this website
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>>57324508
esl?
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>>57324508
I'd like to see some D3,js graphs before I can believe that statement.
>>57324491
Node and other "memes" are used by more amateurs beacuse theyre relatively new. The only reason Java and C# are used in web dev is because old dogs cant learn new tricks.
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>>57324345
Java is used for the server side of plenty of web applications, same with C#, it's just not for general websites
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>>57324345
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_languages_used_in_most_popular_websites
>>57324491
I think PHP, C/C++, and Java are used for the biggest websites. C/C++ for big players like google because it's hella fast, and PHP for like 99% of the web
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>>57324551
what that tells me is that most large corporations have an already established backend stack. I dont see the point in them changing what already works.
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>>57324551
Google is starting to use Go now... for obvious reasons
>C/C++
lolwat
no
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if Java and C (and its derivatives) are the end all langauges for the web, then why do we have so many other languages being used in production, successfully might i add.
please enlighthen me.
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>>57324620
Did you read the fucking list retard?
>Google: C/C++
>Facebook: C++
>Youtube: C/C++
>Amazon: C++
>Twitter: C++
It's not the most common but huge corps that can afford C/C++ Gods like Rob Pike use C/C++ because it's vastly superior to anything else out there. Yes, they're using Go more and more, but It'd be impossible to eliminate C/C++ from their ecosystem, especially since they run everything on Ubuntu
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>>57324665
What is Apache and NGINX programmed in?
C.
We use PHP because it's easier than writing your own HTTP server, but huge corps that demand the performance needed for 1-2 billion monthly users use C
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Is there a good book or source to learn php, I'm just getting into it but the courses on OP are not for me. I'm a software dev mainly, web is my new hobby but this curses of codeacademy and such are waaaaaay to slow and basic
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>>57324775
dont learn from codeacademy. its a waste of time.
grab a book, do the exercises and you'll learn.
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thinking of getting a new laptop, do I ask TPG or you guys since it would be for web dev.
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>>57324620
>>57324670
You both are retards. Bigger companies never use a single language, but a lot of differnt stacks.
Because (and this can't be stressed enough) there is never a "silver bullet", you always have advantages and disadvantages.
There is no point in optimizing something that isn't the bottleneck.
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>>57324826
> stating the obvious
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>>57324670
fine. I need sources. I've never heard of any of these companies using C/C++ for webdev in a direct way, except when making a PHP/JS interpreter, which is what Google/FB and other companies do.
>>57324697
web server != web dev as in, developing web applications...
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>>57324789
I asked if anyone know of a good book, I know this courses sucks I wouldn't even click the bait for my life.
thanks for stating the obvious anon
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>>57324909
Just use the cuckoo book until you get the basics.
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>>57324909
https://github.com/vhf/free-programming-books/blob/master/free-programming-books.md
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>>57324937
> and here is the russian FTP server with all these books for free.
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>>57324775
google "PHP for X developers", where X is your favorite lang...
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>>57324969
Why would you learn php in 2016 though?
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>>57324982
> Why would you watn to get hired in 2016 though?
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>>57324998
> want to get hired?
learn JS
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>>57324901
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_languages_used_in_most_popular_websites
Web server is not web dev? You must be frontend lmao. This is why nobody takes web devs seriously; just get a macbook, a flanel shirt, and douchy mustache, and you're a silicon valley web dev (tm).
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>>57324934
not so helpful I tried some books they where old as fuck, fucking php
>>57324937
This is something I'm saving for future references, good one
>>57324969
Great advice, I'm choosing your option Master
>>57324982
Some client wants me to update his e-shop, but is made on php. I hated the idea, but I asked 2000 us dollars before I even started and he wrote a check in the moment, so I have to deliver no matter what obsolete language I have to use. I take my word very serious
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>>57325109
>saving for future reference
didn't read the sticky confirmed
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>>57325109
>php
>obsolete
>like, 99% of the web uses php
You're Silicon Valley Hipster trash™
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>>57324998
>>57325010
I am my own boss, I hire dummies to do the work for me and charge them 30% of the project just for connecting them with clients.
The only jobs I take myself are for important clients, but this important client is asking some web development my weakness somehow, just because I have 0 experience I don't doubt my ability
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>>57325138
think different™
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What's your stack /wdg/?
Mine: PHP/Laravel, Bootstrap, Angular
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>>57325154
Node, MariaDB/sqlite, React
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>>57325148
>just because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing doesn't mean that I'm useless
You must be a business/liberal arts major lmao. Good luck with that Rajesh
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>>57325199
ikr, typical business/libtard thought process.
just because you manage other people doesn't make you smarter than them.
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>>57325067
>Web server is not web dev?
no, it isn't. coding a webserver like nginx or apache requires a whole different skills set than coding a specialized web server for a shitty web app with a bunch of libs provided to you by fb/google/oracle/apache projects/....
let me know which libraries and frontend servers Google and FaceBook use in their webapp... my guess, they use mostly the same shit you, me, and everyone else uses.
lemme guess: you are yet another /dpt/ fizzbuzzer posing as a elite haxor coder
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>>57325273
sir, I'll have you know everyone in /dpt/ has at least 2 phds in STEM.
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>>57325199
>>57325241
Never said I'm smarter, they are dummies because they could get work for their own, but they are completely and absolutely antisocial, this guys are the fat, creeper, eating obsessed disgusting kind of guys.
They'd rather let me get the clients even when they know my deal is unfair, dummies.
Rajesh? lol? How tiny is your world, have you ever traveled out of your arial hometown?, you detect that I'm not a native english speaker, instant rajesh-me
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>>57325154
Mine: Copypasting from SO
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>>57325333
> , this guys are the fat, creeper, eating obsessed disgusting kind of guys.
its "these", not "this"
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>>57325333
I detect that you seem like a get rich quick kind of "I manage these programmer peons" dickhead business major, like a LOT of indian dudes I've met, hence the Rajesh. Business types are scum
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>>57325371
exactly, if i had to pick between an antisocial programmer and a cocky businessman, id pick the antisocial programmer because he can at least produce something unlike the leech businessman.
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>>57324775
OReilly.PHP.and.MySQL.The.Missing.Manual.2nd.Edition.2012.RETAIL or OReilly.Head.First.PHP.and.MySQL.Dec.2008. First one is more objective, head first is more educational
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>>57325352
Thank you very much, sincerely
>>57325371
Oh I get it then, there are no rajesh guys where I live, sorry I misunderstood
>>57325385
Of course you would, because you are smart. My clients on the other hand, they'd rather have me to take their project
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>>57323970package hello;
import org.springframework.stereotype.Controller;
import org.springframework.ui.Model;
import org.springframework.web.bind.annotation.RequestMapping;
import org.springframework.web.bind.annotation.RequestParam;
@Controller
public class GreetingController {
@RequestMapping("/greeting")
public String greeting(@RequestParam(value="name", required=false, defaultValue="World") String name, Model model) {
model.addAttribute("name", name);
return "greeting";
}
}
fucking hell, this is some ugly, verbose shit...
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>>57325414
im glad you know your place.
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>>57325418
it is, but it werks.
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>>57325420
I'm an inferior programmer, with some vague skills and a lot of connections thanks to family not my talent.
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This is a disaster of a thread.
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>>57325406
I'll get both, also thanks for your time
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>>57325154
I still prefer LEMP. No PHP in the front though.
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>>57325558
besides php+sql this one teach js+cs3+html5 : Learning PHP, MySQL, JavaScript, CSS & HTML5, 3rd Edition - O'Reilly By Robin Nixon
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>>57325273
Setting up a server is pretty standard shit...how else do you expect to test out your code?
You can go from PHP dev to full LAMP the second you open a DO setup tutorial.
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>>57325709
not sure if you are the same elite /dpt/ h4x0r I replied to, but you keep missing my point...
making the (general purpose) webservers themselves, making the libs for frameworks, etc., is not the same thing as making web apps.
the retard I replied to said these companies use C/C++ for web dev.. yes, they do use C/C++, but they don't use it for web dev, they use them to make the tools web devs use.
two related, but different, things.
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>>57325805
Oh, I didn't read yalls post tree, just that one comment.
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>>57325805
But the other guy was taking about SETTING UP a webserver.
If we talk about "writing a game", do you also implement raytracing by yourself?
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>>57325919
>But the other guy was taking about SETTING UP a webserver.
>>57324345
>so if Java is so easy why doesn't Java have more presence in the Web dev market?
???
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>>57326066
>so if Java is so easy why doesn't Java have more presence in the Web dev market?
???
> ???
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>pedants attempting to outsmart one another
i want /dpt/ to leave
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Well I got an entry level position question here. Very quick.
I want to get into front end web dev. I might have an opportunity to get an entry level job as a web designer. This may sound like a stupid question but will taking the web design job (I need money) reflect bad on me in the future as a front end dev when a potential employer sees I've been doing design work?
Am I being too paranoid or is this a legitimate concern?
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>>57326732
imo having design experience would help you in frontend, as long as you're not doing it to the exclusion of honing development skills as well.
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>>57326693
i hope one day we will have a serious adult discussion in one of those threads.
at least the Copypasta OP is helpful
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>>57326844
Ah so you don't think an employer would really see that as a mark against hiring me?
I could see it both ways. I'm just nervous because I know the importance of a first job. If I happen to stay in that position for 2 years or whatever then I got 2 years of design experience and no experience in dev. They would likely hire someone with dev experience over me.
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>>57326969
So your alternative is to apply to frontend jobs with no experience at all, tangential or otherwise.
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>>57327024
Well.. touche. Point taken. Lol
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>>57326969
>importance of a first job
this doesn't exist anymore
much like walking into a store and getting hired right there doesn't exist anymore
only in very specific and high demand fields is the importance of a first job actually substantial (ie probably in finance where the field is mostly dominated by personal connections anyways).
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>>57327306
People just care for relevance.
Better to say you worked on wordpress themes than to say you were a sandwich artist at subway.
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so, how do you make a website known and popular if you don't know how to spam it and don't know much about marketing and stuff?
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>>57328312
show your benis
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what laptops are WDG approved, In the market for a new one since mine is shitting the bed
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>>57328529
Pick a laptop that can run a modern web browser.
Done.
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>>57328529
Make sure it has a screen.
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>>57328941
>>57328916
anything else that it needs?
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>>57328529
hopefully there is some sort of ability to input letters in your respective language, like a board of keys
that'll go a very long way
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>>57328955
nice dubs but how will I select things?
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>>57328978
i think we're still a decade away from accomplishing that, it's just technically impossible right now
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How do I set cookies in node/express
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>>57329235
You RTFM
http://expressjs.com/
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>>57325154
Learning express, postgresql, react
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>>57329005
10/10 would ask for advice again
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>>57328312
You make a good website. Thats it.
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>>57328529
thinkpad
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>>57328529
2015 MacBook Pro.
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>>57324491
>the biggest ones use Java/C#
craigslist uses C/Perl
twitter uses plain old Php
let that sink in, Pajeet.
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Is the MEAN stack worth learning and implementing into projects?
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tfw been unemployed for a few months now.
Could of got a junior programming position at the start of the year but I was happy working as a website administrator.
I'm jealous of you burgertards you seem to have alot more start up tech companies then Australia.
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>>57333251
There's no relation between those letters, and there's a good chance one of them is not the most appropriate for you. You can replace any of the parts with other libraries.
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>>57333321
Yeah, but they all want senior level devs.
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>>57333158
>stating facts means you are in favor of those facts
4chan logic. and this is supposed to be the tech board... where people are taught to use logic as a tool...
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can someone critique my tic tac toe game? done in jquery, only got 2 player working right now
https://jsfiddle.net/0ogpmwn3/
thanks
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Is there a way to make an application out of a site?
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>>57334113
Reverse engineer the server side
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>>57334154
I'm not looking for something that complex. I'm just looking to make a Flash-like presentation but with HTML/CSS and JS. But instead of having the folder with all the files and the index.html I just want an Icon. I remember Adobe released an application that did just this but I think they discontinued it.
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>>57334205
not the other an0n...
>I'm not looking for something that complex. I'm just looking to make a Flash-like presentation but with HTML/CSS and JS.
perhaps haxe could be helpful?
>But instead of having the folder with all the files and the index.html I just want an Icon. I remember Adobe released an application that did just this but I think they discontinued it.
adobe air? haxe can compile to c++ and binaries
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I'm learning Python as my first language, it's coming relatively easy input wise but it's not all coming together yet. Am I starting in the right place?
>using "Learn Python the Hard Way"
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I'm quite fluent and confident in HTML, and have learnt to incorporate CSS into my websites, but I have only ever incorporated pre-made snippets of CSS and have never actually learnt CSS. Can somebody link me to somewhere I can learn CSS?
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I'm trying to print a javascript array and it prints as "[]" - I can expand it in Chrome's console to view its held variables but I'm wondering why it is like this instead of a normal array.
PIc related: one array prints as [] while the other prints normally.
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>>57335004
Cause it is empty.
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>>57334793
While I haven't used it, that is one of the resources that I most commonly see mentioned, so I would say so.
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>>57334930
I've looked at MarkSheet a little and it's seemed pretty good for the parts I've referenced from. There are CSS resources absolutely everywhere, though. Choosing one and reinforcing it with others if you feel like you need it is probably a good idea (and is what I'm doing for the things that I'm learning). All about repetition and seeing new examples.
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>>57335079
>>57335004
But when I click the arrow it shows it hold values?
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Looking to become a full stack web dev, focusing on Javascript right now. I know vanilla JS, jQuery and React and Node.
Which languages should I learn to maximize earning potential (whether that's JS or not)?
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>>57335357
Pretty much same here but I know Angular instead of React and am still learning Node + Express. Also curious...
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>>57335548
Hey anon, how are you finding Angular? I thought of learning Angular but the hype seems to be shifting to React, and although Angular is the most popular for now I think React will take over.
I was thinking of picking up some PHP maybe.
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>>57335556
Angular is very opinionated, until you get used to it's logic and structure it can be very much a pain in the ass anon. I suppose though the same can be said of React?
Honestly haven't got a clue since I've never used it or even seen it being used. And you should definately try PHP , I've played around a bit with it and the Laravel framework but decided to put it aside for now because I'm having more fun with Node!
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>>57335623
By seen it being used I actually meant I've never watched anyone code in React. Though am aware of its growing popularity. :)
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>>57334930
maybe codecademy for syntax
also look in OP, lots of links.
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>>57335664
This dude is using react https://www.livecoding.tv/killroy/
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I got a textbook for my friend.
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>>57335623
>>57335664
React is super simple, much easier than Angular imo. I only started learning it last week and already made a project in it. Syntax is easy, you only need to learn how to import/export, and split code up into components to use it. You have to learn some Webpack n shit, but it's not as hard as people make it out to be.
I highly recommend React just based on simplicity.
Also, do you recommend any Node tutorials? What are you using to learn?
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>Client side MVC
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>>57335827
This
Why would you ever
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>>57324279
you respond to posts like a fucking retard
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Say, if i have to develop a web app based on java, which frameworks should i look into? I'm going to use Apache NLP with it.
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>>57336053
spring
enjoy your AbstractBeanFactoryFactory
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>>57336059
Sarcasm? I never did anything serious in Java..
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>>57336073
You won't get that shit unless you get deep into extending spring
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>>57336109
Probably won't need it. What i basically want is a backend that communicate with an API or some specific server (no idea what i'll get) and runs some NLP tasks with whataver it will receive (probably XML or JSON) and thats it.
Problem is the Pajeet prof has a hard on for Java and thats why im stuck with it..
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I'm eyeing up some 5 day courses for this shit.
There is also a course I can take that lasts 3-6 months and costs dosh but has guaranteed interviews, job board access and employment support.
These look a bit fishy to me but I guess I wouldn't know. Anybody want to help me out with what sort of things I should be avoiding or going towards?
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>>57336207
The only ones that I think are worth pursuing are the Udacity ones.
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>>57336285
>Udacity
Worth noting that I'm in the UK. But could you go into what makes it worth perusing and why you dismiss others? It will help me avoid shitters.
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>>57336207
>I'm eyeing up some 5 day courses for this shit.
Might be worth it if you aren't disciplined enough to self-teach.
>There is also a course I can take that lasts 3-6 months and costs dosh but has guaranteed interviews, job board access and employment support.
I'd be very suspicious. There are some good code bootcamps out there, but a lot of them are outright scams or just shitty, and it can be really hard to tell the difference between the two.
Overall, there's really nothing web dev related that you can't learn on your own for free if you're willing to put in the effort. You should think of any paid course as nothing more than a shortcut.
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>>57336176
Check out apache tomcat then, you can just write a simple servlet that does the task.
I think
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>>57336306
Courses created by tech companies looking to hire.
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>>57336176
Sounds easy enough, grab spring boot, it has an embedded jetty server when run and all you'll need to receive the requests is a controller, using the @Controller annotation, can use RestTemplate to send stuff, or ResponseEntity to respond
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>>57336326
It's appealing mainly because it does the networking side for you I was thinking. It seems like a lot of the struggle is actually breaking into the industry and being hire-able. Is this not the case? How am I to convince somebody to pay me just on the principle of me promising I can do it when there are a bunch of guys out there with proof they can?
Is this field really as hungry for people as I am lead to believe?
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>>57336338
>>57336377
Thanks, ill look into it.
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>>57336385
You don't need to work for a company to show that you can do something.
Buy a VPS and host a bunch of example work on it.
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>>57336385
Well, that may be true, but there are also plenty of networking opportunities that don't cost loads of cash and months of your life. Build a solid portfolio and show it off on a personal website. Blogging about what you're learning is also a good way to prove yourself and show that you're an intelligent person that's willing to learn new things. Overall, just know your shit and don't be a sperglord and you're like 80% there.
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>>57336748
This, so much of getting a job is just not being a sperg in the interview and showing a willingness to learn
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>>57336822
>>57336748
I've never actually went to an interview I haven't gotten accepted for so I'm a bit worried, y'know? It sounds like a good thing, and it was at the time but I don't really know what I did right.
I guess a good question for you guys is just would you recommend getting into webdev as a career? Do you regret it at all?
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>>57336870
I'm a UK based java back-end that just sort of landed into web dev, it's alright, nothing ive done has been particularly challenging, though I don't have to keep up with the ever changing front end ecosystems
The worst thing for me is teaching pajeet contractors how to do their job when they earn more than me
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>>57336822
Agreed. Do try to be competent though, that's another important aspect. Obviously you don't need to be a master at every programming language ever, but if you can't even fizzbuzz you aren't going to get hired, you're just wasting everyone's time. You can't bullshit programming jobs like you can in other fields.
>>57336870
> would you recommend getting into webdev as a career?
Yes, for a certain kind of person. If you haven't already, go do a few beginner programming tutorials and you'll know pretty quick if it's for you. From day one you'll feel like there's a massive amount of stuff out there you don't know (because there is) and that will never go away, so you need to be okay with that.
All in all, it's a job, you know? Sometimes it's great, most of the time it's a grind, like anything else. Work environment varies a lot depending on the company. That ping-pong and beer tap stuff you see in advertisements is generally not accurate. It usually pays well enough for you to live comfortably middle class, but you probably aren't going to get rich doing it. (Unless you're CTO of a successful startup or something, but at that point you're more of a business person that happens to know how to write code.)
One thing I like about it is that (once you get your foot in the door) you actually have options for where you want to work. I come from a blue-collar (read: redneck) family where everyone pretty much has to live where the work is. In web dev/programing, you can find a job in pretty much every major city.
>Do you regret it at all?
I regret not getting into it sooner, but that's because I like doing it and I'd be even further along in my career than I am now. It's definitely not for everyone, though.
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What is a good portfolio project if you just want to fill your website with some stuff?
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>>57337271
I think a good project is a restaurant website where people need alot of info spelled out to them
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Anyone here advocate in getting a mentor for coding?
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Advice for total .java noob who just started course?
Some want to swap java knowledge for good social skills?
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>>57336338
>>57336377
Me again, thanks again, spring looks good. Are there alternatives for it? Just trying to find "the best" option for easy and fast development in a team.
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>>57337557
There is also JSF, Vaadin, Struts, GWT, Play, Ninja
There are quite a few floating around, I use Spring at work
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>>57337701
>Play
Unfortunately Scala and not designated poo language, but thank's. Guess i'll look into all and chose what looks like it's made for retards.
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I recently was doing some Java (REST services with Spring Boot and Hibernate) and i want to try something different. What language/framework should i choose? Node.js seems fun but i don't want to learn a fad framework that will be forgotten within the next 5-10 years. What would /g/ recommend to me?
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redpill me on .NET - Im currently a front end dev, as such i do all my backend code in node/expressjs. I feel like there is few node jobs to every 10 .NET jobs but is it worth learning now or not?
Id probably learn that new fangled .net mvc core thingy
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>>57316122
Is becoming a web developer from a total NEET a meme or can it actually be reliably done, if you apply yourself?
I'm really looking for a job that can hold down $40k/year so I can move out (apartments here cost $1500/month not counting other expenses, sadly).
How long do you guys think it would take someone to learn the necessary knowledge before they could apply for a job?
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I need to make a display webpage, extending an existing PHP Slim 2 site.
It needs to be controlled by another page, live.
What's it all about? I need to use some tech but not sure what to read up on. It's one-directional. The display page is purely display. No interaction from any user other than pushing from the control page.
I think my options are:
AJAX polling: check every 5 seconds for new content and display settings. It's a display, there won't be many instances of the page open at once. One or two.
Server Sent Events: This is basically polling right? But I considered using a cache so when new information is "pushed" from the control panel page, the polling collects cached data if it exists, rather than multiple database queries every 3-5 seconds.
Service Workers: new to me, worth a read?
nodeJS: uwotm8, worth considering? Never used this.
Or what? Any advice welcome.
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>>57337847
It can be reliably done. The place I work has a number of devs who are basically very entry level people and they come in, learn and move on.
However i would suggest that you dont just do dev because its the easiest self taught money maker. To be really good you need to have passion for it and stick it out.
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>>57337847
It's a meme for overwhelming majority of people who simply cannot discipline themselves and have to rely on step by step guides for EVERYTHING.
Like the retards who are like
>hurrdurr guys what projects do i work on
If you're one of those retards, just go for a job in trades, REALLY secure, pays much better than basic web dev, most areas seem to incentivize learning trades by giving grants and such to pay for school, and your entire job is just following basic steps.
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>>57337836
If you're not on wangblows then prepare to be disappointed. It lacks an proper cross-platform IDE, Mono is shit and .Net Core 1.0 is not a viable option.
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>>57337887
>However i would suggest that you dont just do dev
what do you mean?
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>>57335724
Hey, sorry for the late reply anon. Atm I'm finishing up on a series of videos on Node by Tony Alicea from Udemy. They're not free but easily worth every penny, would highly recommend.
Interesting take on React. I've still room to improve on Angular so not sure if I should continue using it or switch to React altogether. Will see.
If you want to look up PHP check out laracasts, there's a free series on PHP at the end of which you're pretty much prepared to tackle Laravel.
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>>57338156
>However i would suggest that you dont just do dev because its the easiest self taught money maker. To be really good you need to have passion for it and stick it out.
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>>57324146
Make sure you aren't having a burnout. If so, move your ass and try to stop it.
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>>57337299
Sure. If you have someone willing to help you out, why wouldn't you take advantage of that? As with anything though, RTFM and try to solve the problem yourself before bothering someone else about it and try to ask good questions.
>>57337804
Personally, I think Node is going to be around for a while. There are too many JS devs for it to disappear. IMO it's just starting to become a mature platform. There's been a massive amount of innovation, but everyone is getting sick of the billion different things out there and I think we're going to start seeing more consensus in the future.
If you don't want to use node, that's fine though, plenty of other options. I don't see Python going anywhere any time soon, so that's probably a good place to go. Ruby and PHP are slowly on their way out. They'll still be around for a while, and maybe never go away completely, but the writing is on the wall. If you want to go lower-level, C/C++ will probably always be around in some way of another. Go is pretty neat, but it remains to be seen whether it will really catch on.
>>57337847
>can it actually be reliably done, if you apply yourself?
Yes, it can be done.
>How long do you guys think it would take someone to learn the necessary knowledge before they could apply for a job?
Realistically, probably 6 months if you're serious and grind every day. Maybe less than that if you find a good niche and specialize in it.
>>57337883
AJAX is the standard way to do something like that, or you can use websockets for realtime bidirectional.
Service workers are indeed worth a read, but might not be relevant for what you're doing.
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>retards constantly complaining about new ((((OPTIONAL)))) frameworks and shit
how do we get all of them out of web dev and into some field for retards who can't control themselves
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Is learning React all you need for Front end dev and Front end mobile?
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>>57338646
no, sorry
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>>57338668
what else is there?
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>>57338681
Read the OP
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>>57332707
Was thinking about a T560 or T550 and model recommendations?
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>>57339024
x220
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>>57339024
I recently bought a refurbed T520 and I'm pretty happy with it.
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>>57339057
Specs?
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hi, new here.
I'm googling but it takes forever...
I've had a 3 days class on Foundation, and I wonder if I should keep learning it or switch to Bootstrap.
I've heard Wordpress uses Bootstrap. Is it true?
Can I customize a Wordpress theme with Foundation?
I'm a noob and I'm just wondering if keeping on learning Foundation is worth my time, knowing I will probably use Wordpress a lot.
thx.
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>>57339088
- i5 processor
- 8GB RAM
- 1TB HDD with room for an extra SSD (although I don't have one in it currently)
- built like a tank
- keyboard has some nice clickity-clack to it.
- You could buy like 8 of them for the price of a macbook
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>>57339103
Learn React.js
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>>57339174
Could I upgrade to an i7 that is able to do something like live streaming? Reason it's a side hobby and moving my desktop sucks diiick. Otherwise sounds like an upgrade to my yoga
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>>57339103
reading this https://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/when-to-use-bootstrap-for-your-wordpress-theme-and-when-not-to--cms-23561
interesting, but doesn't compare bootstrap with foundation
>>57325348
what is SO ?
>>57339185
ok... I guess you're saying it's more important for me now than bootstrap or foundation
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>>57339227
>SO
stackoverflow
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>>57339103
>I've had a 3 days class on Foundation
Jesus, man. It's just a CSS framework. Shouldn't take you more than an hour to be an expert on it.
>I wonder if I should keep learning it or switch to Bootstrap
Again, CSS frameworks are simple as fuck, just learn both if you want.
>I've heard Wordpress uses Bootstrap. Is it true?
Wordpress is a CMS, most of what it does is on the backend. Some WP themes do use bootstrap, some use other CSS frameworks, some don't use any. That's up to the theme developer.
>Can I customize a Wordpress theme with Foundation?
Yes
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I'm a noob and I'm just wondering if keeping on learning Foundation is worth my time, knowing I will probably use Wordpress a lot
Learn HTML
Learn CSS
Learn PHP
Learn JS
Then learn whatever else you want.
>>57339200
I don't do live streaming, so I can't say for sure how well it would perform, but my i5 does everything I need it to (mostly some node stuff and a million browser tabs).
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>>57339325
i7 would be optimal since it's mainly encoding which is always better with more cores. However Thinkpad still seems comfy so I'll look more into it on TPG thanks!
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I've been learning on FreeCodeCamp for the past couple months. I like it, but I feel like I'm not learning as efficiently as I could be. Would it be better to pick up a book and learn from that, or should I just stick to FCC?
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>>57339325
Thanks a lot, I thought there was a cornelian choice to make.
We took several days to do pic related with foundation. A fancy menu appears on the left when you click the gear, shading the main page, and lots of other fancy stuff.
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>>57336368
For only 300 dollars a month!
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>>57339200
Yes. Quad cores are great for broadcasting.
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>>57339740
im going to take a course, in my country you can ask for an organisation to pay for you.
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>>57339868
For the udacity plus that guarantees a job?
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>>57339884
i can feel your sarcastic tone but no
ill try a coursera one
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>>57339925
I was asking a serious question.
The plus is 300 a month and guarantees a job but the free courses don't.
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>>57339933
oh sorry
there are so many trolls on /g/
nah, there is a similar one to "become" a web dev junior on coursera for the same amount per month
im aiming for that
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hello, i'm new here and this question will probably get blasted but i'm just having fun and experimenting at the moment
I have a little one page site i'm building, where it features a video carousel (script i'm using is OwlCarousel.js)
is there any way to display links of the videos if the person viewing the website has javascript turned off in their browser?
because at the moment if you disable js, there is no carousel at all and it's just a blank spot
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What's the least painful way of making a simple mockup "store" site? (it's for interacting with a mySQL database)
Django? Node.js? PHP?
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>>57340027
Use whatever you know best.
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>>57340060
None of the above which is why i'm asking which is the simplest/quickest to mock up a site with.
This is my first foray into the web side of things and it's really the SQL stuff that i'm supposed to focus on.
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>>57340092
Then use PHP.
Querying is really easy with PDO.
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>>57340137
Alright, thanks.
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>>57340023
nevermind, sorted it, can use <noscript>
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>>57339815
sick totally might buy into the meme
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>>57340288
If you're broadcasting coding then an i5 is fine. To broadcast games you really should have an i7.
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>>57340309
it would be for broadcasting games so i don't have to haul my desktop every , however I wouldn't use it for gaming.
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>>57316279
this looks awesome. lua and openresty are good software. i wanna give these a go, too. there's also lapis, did you check that out?
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>>57316777
go freelancing bro. best way to build up your portfolio. also do open source stuff
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>>57323371
that's actually not stupid
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>>57323634
upwork is fucked. it's better to hustle for your own jobs.
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>>57323654
even remotely, you can and should charge at least 50$/hour as a proficient freelance web dev
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>>57323970
stay on the JVM but use a better language/framework like Scala/Play. We used that in my last company and it worked out really well.
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>>57324146
take a holiday dude. you're probably just tired.
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>>57325154
linode, nginx, go, mariadb, my own frontend libraries (virtual dom, ajax, FRP libraries).
I also work for clients with react/redux/node/express. but it's kinda a pain.
For my next project I'll probably use go on google app engine for the backend. It seems to be better these days. Can't be fucked with infrastructure.
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>>57325418
disgusting eh. taste matters
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>>57334018
>https://jsfiddle.net/0ogpmwn3/
doesn't work buddy. also, look into separating your view from your model. actual dom manipulation / selectors can be greatly minimised
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>>57334793
yep that's a good start. udacity has good courses too. python is one of the best beginner languages
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>>57336176
use java 8 and the spark microframework if you are stuck with it
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>>57340750
(not that anon)
how much if I'm a newb/junior (know html/css/js and python)?
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Do you guys know a good api/framework i can use to add barcode scanning to my web app? I googled it and found BridgeIt but I know nothing about it.
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>>57341466
In my experience anyone who wouldnt pay you $50 is just wasting your time. Doing things for free makes sense since it will build your portfolio but once you get busy there's no reason to haggle with retards when plenty of real businesses will pay $50/hr and your time is finite.
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