Looking for e-mail alternatives. Anyone use any secure e-mail

https://tutanota.com/

Assume it's all compromised unless you encrypt the messages with PGP yourself.

Just learn PGP, it only takes 20 minutes to figure out.

>>57297709
is there even a reason to discriminate against providers (besides principle) if you're using PGP properly? just wondering

>>57297675
posteo.de

Wasn't Proton bought by Mossad or some shit?

>>57297924

Not really. Some providers will encrypt your mailbox for you, as well as any messages with other people using that service.

The largest benefit you'll get is from using PGP. Even if you use the most secure provider, 60% of your emails will end up on Google servers anyway.

>>57297961
>>Not really. Some providers will encrypt your mailbox for you, as well as any messages with other people using that service.
If I understand correctly even then it comes down to pure trust of the provider because the Lavabit scenario can always repeat itself

>>57297675
I made a Yandex email accounts and the next day I got a message it was hacked/compromised. Now they want my cell number to send the recovery code.

Fuck that noise. They are scammers.

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>>57297709

Although PGP has its uses, it has no forward secrecy which might be of concern to some.

>>57297955

Nope. Fud spread on Cryptome - most probably by an opportunistic competitor. Pic related.

>>57297955
The company who does their DDOS protection or something is based in israel.

That being said, I do not recommend protonmail. Almost 2 years of existing (iirc) and still no real way to get a local copy of your stuff on the desktop.

>>57298069

That's a byproduct of the security. You cannot have POP or IMAP access because Protonmail's mailbox encryption requires another passphrase (not only login passphrase.)

>>57298049

>pure trust of the provider

That's what it comes down to if you don't encrypt with PGP on your end.

>>57298115
yeah, that's what I meant. It boils down to whether you or someone else is holding the keys

>>57298131

I use Proton mail for secure mail, and Gmail for the rest. Only 50-60% of the people I talk to use PGP.

>>57298151
>Only 50-60% of the people I talk to use PGP.
that's actually high. Would you recommend using PGP as an symmetric key for individual files or is there a better standard solution on GNU/Linux that everyone defaults to?

>>57298091
I know. Still not a valid reason why you can't at least download the stuff through the browser.

>>57298262
>Still not a valid reason why you can't at least download the stuff through the browser.

You can - copy and paste, faggot. The trade-off for better security is slightly less convenience.

>>57298294
well that's completely against the point of the whole project in the first place, but fine. And of course there's exactly zero security reasons why they can't give you a button to download all the stuff.

>slightly less convenience.
Not being able to access your mailbox because either
- you yourself happen to not be online
- protonmail is getting DDOS'd again
is more than "slightly less convenience". And they expect companies to use that service, lol.
"Slightly less convenience" is something like the fact you still can't do plain-text messages. But again, not like that has anything to do with security, but everything with the priorities the guys at protonmail got going on, where they prefer working on fucking smartphone apps and money-printing features.

>>57298384
>well that's completely against the point of the whole project in the first place, but fine.

What is slightly against the point of the whole project? Stop being vague you fucking whiner.

>And of course there's exactly zero security reasons why they can't give you a button to download all the stuff

COPY AND PASTE??? Or, you know, perhaps suggest it to them and they may implement the feature to give downloadable backups? But no, you'd rather complain about a service you don't use.

>Not being able to access your mailbox because either<SNIP>

You don't have to use it then - problem solved. Now fuck off and use Google and get spied on.

>>57297675
bitmessage.ch is pretty good
imap / pop, also has a .onion
no ads / fees

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Why do people use secure email servers? If you need to send some corporative emails, then okay. But for everyday's use? Really? Whats so special about your data? Or is it all about the idea "It's my data, so only i can read it! Fuck it!" ?

>>57297675
Email is not secure by design, you are either using GPG, which makes your emails secure or you are not using GPG which makes your emails unsecure.

There is nothing like a secure email.

The ProtonMail guys said about 5 months ago that they considered adding their app to F-Droid.

What happened?

>>57298476
When you bang 40 year old women, they don't know how to snapchat their nudes to you, so they just email you, faces in and everything.

>>57298568
Yeah, and they surely know how to send their pgp-encrypted emails to yah.

Remember to do not trust in Germans.

>>57298476

The same reason I use envelopes when I mail letters. I have no interest in people being able to casually dig through my personal effects.

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>Its another subtle /pol/ thread

You fucks are making me delet my protonmail account, fuck you.

>>57297675
using protonmail, i'm pretty happy with it.

>>57298922

Oh, knock it off. Protonmail is fine.

>>57298922
Yeah go ahead you insecure fuck.

>>57298884
>>57298906
hold your autism
https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/protonmail-israel-radware/

>>57297675
use tutanota and stay away from that jew trap

>>57299120
>>57299140
I don't like jews.

>>57299625

>implying Protonmail isn't immune to Jewish tricks so the Jews started a dis-information campaign to trick people into switched away from it

>>57299617
>jew trap
[citation needed]

Remember to report /pol/ when you see them outside their contamination board

>>57299478
>https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/protonmail-israel-radware/
>

Radware’s international headquarters is in Israel

Oy vey

>>57299749
Have you actually read the article?

>>57299826
I have read enough, my good Moshe

>>57297675
Protonmail is good. I don't think it's compromise, but I think it's not enough.

To properly encrypt messages, you either need flawless hardware or properly connected hardware (such as a Raspberry Pi 2/3 and a Raspberry Pi Zero).

You need a good random numbers generator, such as Cryptech's one.

And you need client-side encrypted software with no central authority, such as Bitmessage or Freenet.

>>57299995

Why wouldn't you just use PGP... You could use the command line if you are worried about security.

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>>57299992
i knew it

>>57300172
Mazal tov!

>>57300114
Bitmessage is easier to use and transparently encrypts with GnuPG.

>>57299625
We don't like /pol/, you're on /g/ here, please behave accordingly.

>>57300210

The problem with encryption right now is that both parties need to use it. The participation rate for PGP is already abysmal, I imagine bitmessage is even less popular.

>>57300235

Your on 4chins, stop being so damn thin-skinned. Filter it if you don't like it.

>>57300353
>>57300353
OOP of both, bored by both replies.