Will VGA ever be obsolete?

>>57293991
Can it display 4k@60fps?

>>57293991
It was about a decade ago, time traveler.

>>57293991
Its becoming that right now. New devices now often times don't even have one. several displays have already dropped it some time ago.

>>57293991
Only when projector manufacturers find their #courage or offices and schools stop being cheap motherfuckers.

So no, never.

>>57293999
Why would you use 4k/60hz monitors when you can have 1440p/144hz instead? A lot of software simply isn't ready for 4k yet.

>>57294020
Offices and schools tend to have a very long buy cycle, give it time and perhaps next time they upgrade all equipment already lacks ports.

>>57294050
Yeah, if my office's monitor was 144hz I would make the dankest of PowerPoints. Who cares about resolution?

>>57294050
>A lot of games simply aren't ready for 4k yet.
FTFY

In reality pretty much anything not horribly mangled software is able to display correctly with any decent OS nowadays. 4K is simply better in every way.

>tfw brand new Thinkpad has no VGA port so you have to buy an adapter.

>>57294090
>4K is simply better in every way

Except brightness, power consumption and heat.

>>57293991
It's a legacy format so no.

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>>57294105
Matter of implementation mostly.

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>>57294111
Just like flash?

>>57294120
No, it's a fundamental drawback of smaller pixels.

Are there any GPUs that use VGA, outside of using an adapter?

>>57293991
No, thanks to the thousands of office projectors that will only be replaced when the building is demolished.

>>57294182
They don't replace projectors, no.

But they do install large TV's and forget the projector is even there.

>>57294143
Hell no flash was never legaçy and lets not compare software to hardware jesus christ how horrifying.

>>57293991
Not for a while.

VGA is objectively the best

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>>57294206
Because hardware has had so much more permanence

>>57294171
Some old off-the-shelf "home PC"s do

>>57294153
The method of backlighting is very relevant to that one; the more efficient it is the more negligible the actual consumption becomes for all but the most niche cases

>>57294267
My 32" 3D LED TV still has two of those.

>>57294288
>My 32" 3D LED TV still has two of those.
From what, last decade? Haven't seen them for a while much less actually used.

>>57294276
Those would be iGPU to VGA. Pretty sure >>57294171 meant dGPUs.

>>57293991
VGA is already obsolete, if you aren't using HDMI then you should probably kill yourself

>>57294315

Most motherboards still have a VGA port, at least mine does.

>>57294321
>he doesn't use a crt
How much of a plebeian can you be?

I give it, at least in the mainstream, another 10-15 years. A metric fuckton of lower-income schools still use them nationwide, as well as pretty much any office space built to cost as little as possible, small businesses, the like.

I'm hoping USB-C'll take over, it's not a bad choice for hot-swapping a ton of devices.

>>57294288
How many of your relevant devices connecting to that TV still have them BTW?

>>57294348
I don't want to get cancer in 20 years from its irradiated display.

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>>57294303
Not my TV, but

>Sony KD-65ZD9BU
>4K HDR 65" 4999€
>still has one SCART

>>57294362

its ok, you´ll get cancer anyway.

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>>57294366
Now that is something that genuinely surprises me.
Nevertheless my points stands; scart has become absolutely obsolete even though being legacy format

>>57294267
scart is pretty comfy desu senpai

>>57294286
That's like saying a pick-up truck is an economical vehicle if only you put a super efficient engine in it.

>>57294425
I never got the scart hate either.

It was actually pretty easy to connect behind a TV or VCR.
Unlike small modern connectors you can't find by touch.

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>>57294436
Except you can with screens. The point is that the power required to actually use the pixels is not that much at all, whilst backlight is the major one.

>>57294455
The pins bent out of shape easily.

>>57293991
VGA will stay around as a fallback for a while at least. DB-9 is however, forever.

>>57294538
Did you hammer your SCARTs to the TV? It has never happened to me.

>>57294569
>Did you hammer your SCARTs to the TV?
When talking about normie use? Very likely

>>57294538
no, no they didn't. Once you'd found the "corner" (the bent side), which you could also do without looking at the connectors, you could just slide it in and it'd work.

>>57294503
Ah, you didn't understand.

Smaller pixels means more of the BACKLIGHT gets blocked.
Because the borders between the pixels doesn't shrink and in many cases end up blocking most of the backlight.
So you need a stronger backlight to get the same brightness.

>>57294538
>>57294569

Never happend to be either.

Seeing how low end motherboards still have parallel and serial ports I'd say never. Cheap computers and office workhorses will still have them 10 years from now

>>57294613
>the borders between the pixels doesn't shrink

I'm gonna need a source for that

>>57294569
Works on my machine.

>>57293991
I deal with servers all the time at work and it depresses me that they all still have shitty VGA ports. I mean surely at a minimum they can have DVI-I? Even if they for some reason are using VGA-only KVMs you only need a $2 passive adapter for that.

>>57294171
Very low-end cards like the R7 240 do. I can't think of any recent mid-range or better cards that have native VGA output, most just have DVI-I and might include a passive adapter, if they even bother with that.

>>57294000
Hello applefag

>>57294050
Because I'm not a gamer faggot

>>57294854
there's very little pressure on them to change because the only thing the display adapter on a server has to do is exist and work in the event you need it because you can't use ssh or something. Supporting higher resolutions of greater color depth or refresh rates or what have you isn't something anyone cares about on a server.

>>57294714
there's still stuff out there that uses them. I have a recent-model multimeter. If you wanna log the data it sees to a computer, you plug it into a serial port. Again, no pressure to change because the application doesn't need to be faster than what serial can do, and of all the ways to get data into and out of a computer, nothing's cheaper and simpler than serial. Both from a software and hardware perspective.

>>57294436
A semi-truck is the most fuel-effiecient vehicle on the road, desu

>>57293991
HDMI

>>57295718
What? If anything wanting 4k is exclusive to gamers and photographers.

VGA is obsolete, Skylake onwards don't support it, Pascal does not support analog and only DVI-D on Pascal cards

>>57295888
>only consumer-grade pcs matter

How cute.

is there anything digital that does not support drm?

>analog
it was always obsolete

>>57294111
No, DVI is legacy and so is HDMI.

>>57294090
almost every display is so small you need to scale up and at that point, its no longer good for productivity, 40 inch + is needed for 4k to be viable and there is only 1 monitor in that class.

>>57295718
welp, know you never used a 120/144 hz display

pro tip: even moving a window around on the desktop is jittery as fuck after you see how smooth it is at 120/144

>>57296088
HDMI isn't legacy.

Displayport and HDMI are intended to co-exist:
HDMI for multi-media.
Displayport for computers.

>>57294321
>>57294362
>High Definition Media Interface
Look at this caveman. Don't you know DisplayPort is the current industry standard?
VGA on the other hand, is irreplaceable and will always have a place in technology

>>57296159
>HDMI isn't legacy.
My laptop only has VGA and DisplayPort.
:3

>>57296159
They have different licencing fees and hdmi is more sutable for cheap mass-production

>>57297058
What are you talking about?
The broadcast industry uses industrial connector, displayport is consumer grade

>>57293991
>230 new HP computers at work (university)
>they only have display port and vga
>the monitor that comes with them doesn't support display port

>>57293991
what's wrong with VGA?

it just works for me

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Business workstations always have VGA and PS/2 connectors. They are not going away any time soon.

>>57297587
PS/2 is needed for keyboard because USB sucks for it

>>57297587

They always have serial ports too, because of huge numbers of peripherals that still work fine and they won't replace over a connector.

>>57297616

It's more because of keyboard wedge input devices like bar code scanners. Also any large company will still have stockpiles of ps/2 spares they're not going to throw out over a connector.

>>57296124
>only 1 monitor in that class

what

>>57295778
>there's very little pressure on them to change because the only thing the display adapter on a server has to do is exist and work in the event you need it because you can't use ssh or something. Supporting higher resolutions of greater color depth or refresh rates or what have you isn't something anyone cares about on a server.
Yes but DVI's usefulness over VGA isn't higher resolutions or refresh rates. It's not having a bit of the image off the fucking edge of the screen because the monitor's auto-adjust doesn't work properly. Having said that, having more console lines to work with is always useful anyway.

>>57297587
We use PS/2 at work because USB KVMs are shite. We use DVI/DP though, dunno why you think workstations use VGA still.

>>57294075
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Nope, not until you can convince all the schools, universities, and businesses whose classrooms and conference rooms all have VGA built into outlets in the wall to switch them all to HDMI and/or DisplayPort.

>>57297928
>dunno why you think workstations use VGA still.

Probably because the vast majority still do. Both HP and Dell office workstations sold through enterprise channels still ship standard with VGA connectivity on both desktop and monitor, and a vga cable to connect the two rather than DP or DVI.

If you want digital you have to specify when purchasing. Especially if you're ordering from HP, since by default they'll ship monitors with with VGA + DVI while their desktops ship standard with VGA + DP.

>>57294338
Yes, that is the point.
>what motherboard omits VGA out
>what graphics card has VGA out

>>57298193
Ah right I see what you mean now. Our workstations do indeed have VGA for on-board graphics, but they also have discreet graphics cards so we don't use them.

>>57296159
wasn’t hdmi that shitty port that required paying for some license if its used

>>57296141
>pro tip: even moving a window around on the desktop is jittery as fuck after you see how smooth it is at 120/144
I'll take placebos for 200

>>57293991
No
Every other monitor connection requires fee, even "free" displayport

>>57293991
It's still superior for long distances such as lecture halls.

>>57296124
>what is crtl+++

>>57294050
give me 1 reason to use 144hz thats not "muh gaymez"

>>57302613
Everything looks better.

Never, even current modern recently released arcade machines that cost over $25K still use it.

>>57302613
i don't game and I just adore my smooth 144hz better than the choppy 60hz

it's like using 30hz, when u are used to 60hz. I hope u understand.

VGA is able to support 1024x768@60Hz, and 1920x1080@60Hz... among many other combinations of resolutions and refresh rates.

That's all people care about, and it's certainly going to stay for another decade or two.

>>57302818
for 10+ years? I heavily doubt it.

>>57294338
nope.
Intel dropped VGA on their platform with Skylake.

Analog monitors are still better than digital since they can handle any resolution with no disgusting software scaling.

Other than that, other than for hobbyists, it's pretty worthless now.

>>57302613
see
>>57302772

>>57299969
>sour grapes

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A lot of companies use old technology because it's cheap. The computers they use have integrated graphics. It uses VGA. Most computers that are old and cheap use VGA. Newer models have VGA and HDMI.

The government and a lot of companies still use Windows XP. They're not after cutting edge software, let alone cutting edge display hardware.

VGA has been "dead" for a while, but will still be relevant in that field. They'll jump to HDMI hardware once the value is better which will happen very quickly. I doubt DVI will be the next step. I think they'll just to HDMI from DVI. I can't even remember any computer with integrated DVI. It's either HDMI and VGA or sometimes DisplayPort along with them.

New monitors support HDMI and DisplayPort only. They've even killed off DVI. Video cards are mostly HDMI ports with one DisplayPort and MAYBE one DVI port if you're still using an "older" monitor.

>>57295852
>using HDMI and not DisplayPort.

>>57293991
I have 5 desktops still using VGA, and one using DVI. With decent cables ghosting is not a problem. Only some cheap cables without ferrite cores and proper isolation have issues.

>>57304434

my 970sc has 2 dvi ports,

>inb4 thats old as shit etc etc

only 2 years and still retailing at like 500 bucks.

We have not seen the end of dvi yet.

>>57304434

DVI and HDMI are electrically identical so it makes no difference with passive adapters unless you're actually using the audio signal off the HDMI cable, which no office workstation ever does.

>>57294719

Nope

Nevermind VGA, why the fuck are all display cables so fucking bulky in 2016.

The smallest I've gotten is a half size HDMI plug with the cable thickness of standard USB. Micro HDMI exists along with USB-C, where aren't smaller cables more popular?

>>57305661
I agree with your point but a 970sc is def not 500$ lul

>>57294171
my palit 750 ti has a VGA port

>>57306622
Funfact some video cards actually have DVI audio .

Some DVI-D sources use non-standard extensions to output HDMI signals including audio (e.g. ATI 3000-series and NVIDIA GTX 200-series).

>>57307050
Because attenuation

Hardware technologies take a LONG time to phase out.
It is an disruption that nobody cares for and it costs a lot of money to do.

And when there is no benefit at all for making the change, it will take a lot more time.

VGA is mostly phased out in homes as TV's use hdmi and a lot of monitors either use hdmi or dp.
But most people do not plug their laptop into the TV or into an external monitor very often, so you have to look at where you actually do that: when you are making a presentation.
Projectors at schools and offices takes a long time to phase out.
The resolution is usually 800x600 and the color quality is not important for this.
So there is no benifit in using a display port or hdmi there unless all laptops need a dongle to connect to it.
So offices might be quicker to adapt to new technologies as they don't want to waste 15 peoples time by having the presenter find a dongle to connect their laptop.

So when apple dictates that X should now become more of an hassle, people get frustrated because they were using that.
Say apple decided to drop support for ipv4.
You could come with a million arguments why we should use ipv6 instead, but the fact remains that nobody bothered to implement the full ipv6 everywhere, so there will be things that doesn't work.
And nobody cares about the improvements as it does not affect their workflow in any positive way.

It is better to realize this sooner than later, because it will not change any time soon.
There will always be a new and better solution coming out.
Something like a connection will take at least 5 years to become the norm and more than 15 years to get rid of.
The only way to get rid of it is if there is a very good incentive to do so.
So when you make a connector, don't try to force it on consumers.
Work on it until there is no possible way to improve it and then send it to other researchers so they can do the same.
There should be a clear reason to why it is better.

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>>57308045
This

>>57304434
tfw my monitors have only vga and dvi. looks like i cant upgrade to new hardware before the screens are broken too.

>>57307050
apple makes hardware for people like you.

Amada at first made me worry, when I discovered that I couldnt plug my monitor with VGA cable to fresh RX480 Nitro.

She forced me to switch to DVI cable and I wotn say I was happy about that. At least I didnt had to buy new monitor, Im fine with my 20" Acer P203W.

>>57294348
>he doesn't use a crt that is hd
Even my ancient hd crt tv has HDMI

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>Dad buys new big screen 1080p monitor for his computer
>Uses VGA and has the resolution set to 800x600

>>57308891
VGA is fine, but not the 800x600 part.

>>57309009
>not the 800x600 part.
But my icons are too small. I can't see anything.

>>57293991
>if you can commit sudoku with it

>>57295888
There are motherboards being produced right now that only support VGA output.
VGA will never be obsolete in server hardware.

>>57309235
>Dad buys new big screen 1080p monitor for his computer
"Big screen"
Should be no problem

>>57309235
Have you tried making the GUI larger? You know, the built-in feature that almost any OS have for blind people like you?