Defend this.

>>57288499
kys yourself

I recall people saying "meme dial" why would anyone defend it?
Stop trying to make shitty x vs y threads, faggot.

>>57288499
contextual screen on a keyboard has been done before

apple might be the first to have removed the function keys to do it, though

>>57288499
I know this is a troll thread, but an adaptive screen on the keyboard layout of a laptop is so unoriginal that a shitty fucking gaming company named Razer came out with a similar product years ago.

>>57288499
>black hands
I see what you're doing, and I endorse this message.

It's innovative, I'll give them that. It's also really, really dumb. They have removed the function keys, including the escape button which is quite a bold move (read: fucking retarded) and replaced it with a touchscreen that maybe can be sorta useful sometime.

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>>57288499

Bravo apple

>>57288620
nah shit was actually stupid the apple touchbar is pretty dumb but this thing had a browser in the keyboard

I had meme function keys in a shitty gayman keyboard like 5+ years ago

but this is trollbait so yay apple!

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>>57288499
one is removing features to add new ones
the other is adding features

>>57288667

A friend of mine had one of these

I always thought they were pretty useless

>>57288524
>apple might be the first to have removed the function keys to do it, though
Nope. Lenovo did it on the X1 Carbon a few years ago. I stupidly bought one when they came out, but the idea is utter shit, you can't give those X1's away nowadays.

>>57288499
Lenovo beat them to the punch.

>>57288679
same, used a friends
they can be pretty neat for some things with the right plugins

like showing teamspeak status, winamp information, cooldowns in games, etc
not sure about productivity, only really cared about games back then

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Y550
Circa 2009
Same basic idea, but without the OLED.

Plus, the Y550 didn't lose features or cutout it's keyboard to add it.

Surface dial is interesting, but I don't think I'd call it innovative. Creative, and unique, sure. Innovative, no.

Neither are great. At least microsoft is trying to be innovative, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that people are going to use Apple's keyboard a lot more than that dial.

A vast majority of the dial's functionality could've been done with classic pinching (which, to be fair, Apple did invent)

A touch command to bring up a dial display in the software. That would've been innovative. That is likely close to what we'll have in the future (yes, like Minority Report).
Not this.

The gayest thing about Apple's touch keyboard is the fact that they apparently aren't giving developers much creative license to play with it. No stock tickers etc.

>>57288667
T U E S D A Y
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>>57288517
I see it as one company Trying and another just putting out the same old same old. The meme dial is not all that impressive but at least they are building new technologies and trying to improve the way we work and how we interact with our technology.

>>57288667
I have the G510s which is the "newer" model of that.
The stats for games were complete shit, like League of Legends would display how much total gold you earned, instead of how much you had to spend.
The only useful thing was the Clock, but unless you had Logitech software eating up your CPU, it would just display "G510s".
I bought the keyboard for the 18 macros, and because of how crammed and small they were, I hardly used them. And they made the keyboard rake up an entire fucking desk.

Basically all this led me to get a simple, non-backlit, Tenkeyless, mechanical keyboard. Fuck rubber domes, fuck gamer shit.

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>>57288620
>fist-pumping epic wins
shiggy

>>57288537
>>57288620
>>57288667
>>57288719

well the difference between the apple touch bar and those abominations is that it will actually be good.

>>57289112
i think they're just trying to say it's been done before and yet again Apple just take something that's been does and does it better.

seems like Apple avoids being first to to make something new these days and wait for others to fail then make it better.


wonder how well they'd do if they were first to make something in this current year or future.

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>>57288775
The touch bar will get more traction, since developers can expect it to be there. On the MBP at least, though I figure we'll soon see keyboards with them built in. The Dial is a separate device to purchase, and I imagine when MS developed it, mostly had their own hardware in mind. I understand it'll work with existing Surface machines, but non MS touch screens? And if they can use it, can they physically handle it?
Otherwise non-MS machines will just have a jog dial, and that's been around for ages.

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>>57289162
>seems like Apple avoids being first to to make something new these days
>these days

It's bad that I want to buy apple products but they've gotten so retarded this year that I can't justify it.

>>57288499
What wrong with the dial? It's just a bluetooth remote like the wacom express key remote. If you don't like it throw it away, the mouse/keyboard/touchscreen/pen still there. Or just buy the wacom one desu

>grain of sand between dial and your screen


Just imagine it.

>>57289258
>taking your computer to the beach
you deserve it

>>57288499
To be honest I think that dumb round cylinder is a terrible idea, who the fuck wants to have to use that? They should just have a custom spinning movement with 2 fingers which brings up the same color picker that that gaudy microsoft buttplug does, unless the cylinder doubles as an LTE hotspot or something

>>57289162
Eh, Apple has never really been the first. The iPod wasn't the first MP3 player, the iPad wasn't the first tablet, the Apple Watch obviously not the first smartwatch, etc. They've always been the ones to see future trends and design them in a great mass marketable way (the Watch seems like a misstep though).

Apple realise that touchscreen laptops and convertibles are fucking stupid. Instead they give the function row full customisability to the user letting it do much more things while also being able to fully represents function keys at all times if you wish.

That Microsoft thing is a dumb gimmick for a device that isn't even going to ship more than 200 units.

>>57289327

The surface studio is aimed at pros so the dial is for tuning thing that would be too precise for the pinch gesture.

>>57288499
I actually think the new macbook pro's touch bar is pretty cool, and I usually hate apple products. What is everyone's problem?

>>57289446
I don't have a problem with Apple doing it, but you won't fine me buying one.

meme wheel has the potential to become a 3d mouse?

>>57289446
Apple:Jobs:/g/ :: Democrats:Obama:Republicans

>>57289446
$2000 for a dual core cpu
8GB ram
No dedicated graphics card

How is this even considered Pro?

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>>57288499

>>57290291
Iris Pro graphics dood.
>no intake air vents

>remove useful functionality
>innovate by taking away functionality again and replace with proprietary crap nobody will really utilize

Cool

Both of them are gimmicks, but at least Microsoft knows it

>>57290495
S-Sorry

>>57289395
that strikes me as odd only because apple markets themselves to artists and many artists have fallen in love with tablets and the surface line in particular

i know a lot of artists who are moving over to a surface from macs after all this

Currently I'd rather a physical row of function keys. How useful the new bar is seems to be up to however many developers adopt it (if they're even allowed). The colour dial looks neat but I'd rather see an actual person use it instead of a directed advert.

>>57288515
>kill yourself yourself
rip in peace my friend. :^)

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>>57292113
>Currently I'd rather a physical row of function keys.
And just how many of these widgets are you planning to order, Big Boy?

>>57288667
>October 11 2005
Fuck i feel old now, it is just like yesterday i remember buying the g15

The salt from the apple fan boys is delicious

Because thinkpads used to have the memebar
The memedial isn't innovative too

>modern devices don't have physical controls, just touchscreen
>you can buy physical controls that interface with the device by simulating fingers touching the screen
Have we come full circle? How long until they just put some knobs and shit on tablet pcs/phones again?

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>>57288499
>muh innovation

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>>57288499
>muh new technology

bless you brave apple

>>57288499
>disgusting fingernails

>>57288499
Neither are innovative. And plus innovation is bad because it compromises freedom.

>>57288499

Meme dial looked neato when i first saw it, but there's literally nothing it does that can't be achieved faster with more traditional menu's.

Still think it's cool, even if it's completely fucking useless.

>>57294122

Who said anything about new? When will you dumb fucks learn that 'first' means absolutey nothing. Implementation and execution are all that matter. Are you so retarded that you think Apple wasn't playing with such concepts for years and years?

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>>57294275
>innovation is bad because it compromises freedom.

>>57288620
>buttons for reporting to the NSA

>>57294134
AHHHHHHH! Those are some disgusting hands, tbpf.

>>57294320
This, first means nothing. I'm my girlfriends 34th bf but she loves me more than all her past bfs, I know because she said so.

a touch bar is dumb
a jog wheel is dump too
>computers are over

>>57294309
now imagine you are using a pen to draw, you either put the pen down to grab the mouse, or you have the function mapped to this and have your retard hand to do something useful.

>>57295601
>dating a slut
great argument

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>>57294113
>mfw my printers leds light up the whole room at night
>mfw somebody thought putting 100 leds on a keyboard is a good idea.

>>57296384
this looks pretty cool to be honest.

>>57288499
Left replaced keys with a touch screen.
Right introduced a new input device.

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>>57288667

>>57288838
well memed xD

I like the doorknob thing. I probably won't buy one of those machines because I am not professional artist with $3000 to burn, but getting finger oil on your screen from pinch and zoom gestures is annoying.

>>57294320
the topic was innovation you dork. decent implementation/execution has nothing to do with that.
Also, about execution: The problem is that even decent implementation by big electronics companies is so rare these days, it wrongly gets called great or even excellent when it happens.
>playing with such concepts for years and years?
if the design of this took them years, that's nothing short of embarrassing.

>>57288499
they both look awful
i can't imagine either being useful nor valuable

>>57288515
Fpbp the birth of a new rustling methodology has been witnessed

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>>57296384

>>57297269
>it even ahs dedicated like and dislike buttons

whatever happened to that e-ink keyboard?

>>57294320
Innovation, by definition, has to be the first.

>>57296384
came out a year after the microsoft board with a bar, however they had a full touch keyboard prior.

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>>57298094
I noticed that one while searching original Optimus Maximus.

>>57294320
innovation implies you innovated a technology or product. innovation is defined as a new idea, product, or technique.

op's words "this isn't innovative" are in fact true.

>>57298129
yeah they have been working with razor for a while on their "notebooks"

thurotts article/podcast on the well is pretty great, I know is biased but this wheel has a lot of potential.

When you are using a pen on a device your other hand is basically free and the wheel allows you to fine tune anything in a better way compared to any touch screens which are much more imprecise.

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>>57288499
Both are overpriced trash but I'll take the bait.

You don't have to use the stupid wheel/dial/fag button thing if you don't want to. The iShit has the emoji bar built in. That retard bar and lack of escape key means that installing and using other operating systems or loaders (like GNU/Linux and GRUB) will be more difficult. The Mac also has a ridiculously large track pad. I don't know why but the only logical explanation I can think of is that it's for drawing. The Microshit one has a touchscreen that you draw on directly. Also the Mac still has no lightning port but has a 3.5mm headphone jack. Apple is inconsistent with their products. They're a bad joke and so is anyone who buys that horse shit. Micropenis wins this round.

>>57289641
this is an interesting thought

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>>57288499
>>57297269
>>57296384
>>57294122
>>57294113
>>57288719
>>57288667
>>57288620
>>57298129

you cant beat the classics

>>57297676
>>57297927
>>57298152

Show me on their product page where they state its 'innovative'. Even if you manage to find it, don't be fucking pedantic just because its Apple. The point is, first doesn't mean shit. Anything that's first is usually shit, its not often something totally new is amazing. Apple works on these new things behind the scenes for years before the public ever see them to not have the 'first' issues.

>2016
>10 point tactile displays on every fucking laptop

the touch bar could have been revolutionary in 2010

>>57288667
I still use one of these, the v1 is a lot nicer looking than the orange themed v2. I love it desu.

>>57288499
Now you see why the use of a good hand-model is important.

>>57288620
I actually got given one of these, I couldn't really find a proper use for the touchpad. Shit didn't even work on Linux lmao. Sold it, bought a ducky and then pocketed the extra.

>>57297780

How did you convert gif to webm anon, I need this.

One is literally copied off of an LG phone
The other is a bullshit gimmick you will use twice and will receive no support for from any program

Neither is innovative

>>57288515
Department of redundancy department

>>57288499
Left:
>removes all function keys previously used to interact with the program
>no haptic feedback or any feedback at all for the user to tell them the screen was actuated and the button pressed
>forces you to interact with the computer in the way THEY want you to use it, not the way YOU want to use it, by removing previous functionality

Right:
>removes nothing from your setup
>haptic feedback so the user knows that it's working when they use it without having to visually confirm it every time
>optional add-on that ADDS to how you interact with your computer instead of forcing you to remove something else

Seems pretty obvious dude.

>>57303232
>forces you to interact with the computer in the way THEY want you to use it, not the way YOU want to use it, by removing previous functionality

Apple fags will defend this.

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>>57303232
the function keys are still there kid, press a button and they return, don't press a button and you instead have a touch bar with designed inputs, instead of mapping things to different keys.

I use a Windows laptop myself, and the only time I've used a function key was F1, F12, and sometimes F5, since I enabled fast boot I've never needed F1/F12, and I have F5 remapped to ctrl+shift+r, it's been like this for the past 5 years, AKA, i don't use function keys

I'm jealous of the touch bar, my laptop ha da capacitive bar with volume buttons, wifi card toggle, and two that I never botherd to learn what they do.

Pic related.

>>57288499
I don't get it. What's going on in the right pic?

>>57289188
>created first graphic terminal
>created first GUI
Yes, these days.

>>57303880

>created first (production) graphic terminal

Um... SAGE. In the 50s.

I said "production" because I'm ignoring the previous experimental stuff.

>GUI

SAGE also.

SAGE terminals also had a cigarette lighter and ashtray built into the console.

>>57303491
I suspect the globe was probably launched the web browser. Don't know about that boxed arrow.

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>>57298339

lets take a cuck break and reel the apple love back about 20% there bud.

op claimed innovation and said defend it and i did so soundly. has fuck all to do with apple or anything they said.

>innovation.jpg

>>57298339
apple loves the buzzwords like innovative, revolutionary, genius, and groundbreaking.

i bet you will find at least one usage of each describing the macbook on their site.

>>57298261
This guy gets it!

>>57288667
the wow module was pretty dope

They have Optimus keyboards in laptops now?

Do you think Apple will buy into these for their next line of macbooks?