Apples touch bar. Innovative or gimmick?

>>57287797

pure gimmick

Courageous.

>>57287797
It's a way to add touch controls withot reworking the whole MacOS to be more usable with touch screens like Microsoft did with W10

you might as well replace the entire keyboard with just one giant touchpad

I also think it's gimmick desu. Though probably other manufacturers will copy that soon enough

>>57287833
you mean the razer blade pro? it's been around for years.

keyboard shortcuts for people who can't remember keyboard shortcuts

hunt-and-peckers rejoice

I wouldn't say innovative but it could be pretty useful for content creation, other than that it would be useless gimmick that you wasted a grand on

>innovative: (of a product, idea, etc.) featuring new methods; advanced and original.
So by definition, nope, this is not a new idea. Not a gimmick either, just progression.

its a fucking gimmick. there is a reason you put shit like function and F keys up there: your fucking hands are never resting anywhere near that bullshit.

trying to make it seem like you would use them in fucking programs doesnt make sense. everything you actually USE is at the bottom

>>57287924
idea != featuring new methods
This is quite literally the best implementation of this idea I've ever seen and if it has a truly significant predecessor I'd love to know about it.

>>57287807
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It's a way to offer up non-traditional characters for direct input without putting up selection menus on the screen, and actual function keys specific to an application. (F5 means different things to different programs.)

Windows fanboys will no doubt tout being able to directly touch the screen on the Surface machines. And I'm sure some self-proclaimed UI experts will argue the issues of shifting your focus back & forth between the screen and Touch Bar. I'm still working through the interface implications myself, including the usual, "nuthin I can't already do in some way with the trackpad," like people do about 3D touch on the iPhone.

I'm wondering what happens with it if you install Windows or Linux onto the machine. Will the hardware recognize this and display f-keys by default?

>>57287894
What about 3rd party programs?

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>>57287986
not him but it reminds me of the G15 keyboard (2005)
it had a screen which could show different information through application/plugin support

>>57287797
Gimmick.

>>57288068
>Affinity Designer
>Pixelmator
>Sketch
>DaVinci Resolve

>>57288112
What about 3rd party programs that people actually use?

>>57287818
poignant

literally shaking now

preorder placed

>>57288144
Adobe demoed Photoshop in the fucking keynote, do you know anything about the product you're trashing.

>>57288306
/g/ needs to know as little as possible about apple products so that they can bitch about as much of it as possible.

just found out about this. Upon seen the pictures my reaction was an out-loud "wow that looks stupid as hell"

not a fan of their taking away the top row of keys and replacing them with a gimmick

>>57288306
All the Photoshop shit they showed was totally useless for anyone that has used it for more than 20 minutes.

>>57288362
>there's no third party support!
>there is. it was in the product launch.
>it wasn't very good!
just admit that you were wrong, dude. it was a trivial factual error and you messed up. doubling down just makes you look like an idiot.

it's not that hard. just
>oh, i didn't know that. i guess we'll see if it catches on
that's it.

>>57288362
Did we watch the same thing?

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Surface Dial > Touch Bar

>>57288053
they confirmed it displays f keys by default

>>57288401

Do you use PS on a regular basis and not know the shortcuts?

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I think it could be interesting and I also think they're just dipping their toes to test the waters. I'm sure they plan to replace the entire keyboard with a touch interface like that. They probably really liked what Lenovo did and want to expand on that.

>>57288401
do you honestly believe he watched it? he just said there was no third party support. the simplest, most obvious explanation here is that he just skimmed some news article headlines and filled in the gaps with his own intuition like a run-of-the-mill retard. in this case it's just really obvious.

>>57288437
What keyboard shortcut allows you to jump to an arbitrary color?

>>57288438
that's horrifying

>>57287894
The color palette choice is actually interesting for digital drawing.

>>57288452

control+option+cmd

>>57288438
Typos: the keyboard

>>57288454
Maybe to you who and old-schoolers who like mechanical interfaces but to the touchscreen generation, it's the obvious next step and probably the only way to make actual computers matter to normies again.

>>57288475
+...?

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>>57288475

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>>57287797
Considering that ANY other laptop at this price point has a full touch quad HD display and top of the line specs, I'm just impressed they can sell this shit with a straight face.

If Apple hadn't blown their load on the meme-bar, the 2-3000$ price tag would at least have bought you kaby lake CPUs.

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>>57288487
They have a solution for that.

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>>57288414
MICROSOFT INNOVATION

NEXT UP: REPLACE KEYBOARD WITH TOUCH SCREEN KEYBOARD

BRILLIANT

>>57288492
There's also hotkeys for moving up and down the sRGB color spectrum in an increment of your choice.

>>57288511

You're forgetting that Apple has literally never been about providing high-end hardware, just mid-tier parts in expensive envelopes. The people who buy this shit are not savvy enough to know that they're being fucked in the wallet sideways and will buy purely based on peer pressure/desire for status.

It's a machine for children and students with parents willing to buy them whatever to make them shut up.

>>57288438
Yes. They saw what Lenovo did, and within 2 months worked out a full hardware implementation, software interfaces, and got 3rd parties on board to develop fully working applications with it.

>>57288549
I asked how you jump to an arbitrary color. This is not nearly as fast.

>>57288530
>left
>done years ago by numerous companies
>right
>literally never done before

>>57288550
They're also becoming increasingly popular in office settings because they cause less in the long run due to low maintenance and repair costs. So they basically pay more up front to save more down the line.

>>57288571
>I asked how you jump to an arbitrary color. This is not nearly as fast.

And what kind of work are you doing in PS where you need to quickly change to arbitrary colors, but dont really give a shit about it being a precise, or even close to what you want rgb value?

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>>57288488
>le obvious next step
Just because it's new doesn't make it better. Do you actually have any justification as for why a non-tactile keyboard is better, or are you just posting somewhere you don't belong?

>>57288570
You don't think Apple has people providing info on what competitors are doing? You really think they find out at the same time as the average consumer?

>>57288488
>only way to make actual computers matter to normies again.

hahahahaha who the fuck cares about them

>>57288438
disgusting

>>57287797
It makes sense. Using a laptop with a touch screen means moving your hands away from the keyboard, so a context sensitive menu like this could come in handy. The function keys didn't see much use on Mac OS anyway so even if I barely use the touch bar it doesn't hamper anything. Scrubbing through movies and photos with it is a pretty nice feature desu

Looks really cool

>>57288584
>Do you actually have any justification as for why a non-tactile keyboard is better

With a programmable touch screen keyboard, the actual keyboard intself can change with user preferences. Bought your MBP in the U.S. and want to switch to a Russian or Chinese keyboard? No problem, just change the language settings and the keyboard you type on will be in your language. But beyond versatility, they can also tout it as being waterproof so accidental spills don't become disasters.

I'm not even shilling it, I'm just saying this looks like the direction they're going in.

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>>57288572
>Microsoft invents the jog dial

>but but you put it on the screen and it does special stuff!
yeah, that's been done already

>>57288635
source?

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>mfw MacRumors is literally on suicide watch over all this

>>57287797
it would be okay if they didn't remove the literal reason i bought a macbook pro

>magsafe

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>>57288600
idk maybe companies who make money or something

>>57288488
>The only way to cause a widespread carpal tunnel epidemic

>>57288438
>bumps on the F and J keys when its a touchscreen

Why

>>57288633
Yes, but it's much slower and much less comfortable to touch type with. But most people can't type for shit despite spending 18 hours a day on a computer of some kind, so those of us who can will probably get stuck with this bullshit anyway.

>>57288511
How is a touch display better than this? You have to move your hands from the keyboard all the way up to the screen and in doing so get fingerprints on your display.

>>57288674
>But most people can't type for shit despite spending 18 hours a day on a computer of some kind

Exactly, in an office I used to work in, I noticed I was literally the only one there who touch-typed as you're supposed to. Everyone else just used their index fingers.

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>>57288662
touch screens are literally ergonomically bad for your joints

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2618327/laptop-computers/the-hidden-danger-of-touchscreens.html

>>57288633
What if they made every keycap its own display, maybe even backlit e-ink.

>>57288665
IOS used to have it too, until ios 7.
But their design language kinda explained it, on the other hand lenovo designers are just autistic

>>57288696

All that the touch bar does is replace the function keys with miniscreens to do the same exact shit, but with a larger pricetag attached. Touch displays aren't necessarily fantastic, but for 2-in-1 laptops like the Yoga it can be useful if you don't have a mouse handy, since touchpads suck across the board.

>>57288718
This webm makes me think of Auschwitz

>>57288731

It all started with the iPhone. Before that, most phones had physical keyboards. Then those got sacrificed to larger screens (that get taken up by on-screen keyboards). Then people started using phones/tablets for stuff more than their laptops, so laptop makers started copying phone aesthetics and design to bring people back to them.

>>57288753

what do you call Auschwitz with cats

>>57288729
Almost all the shortcuts I use are ctrl/alt/del chords. And there are even less uses of function keys on macs. The customizability and app/context specific nature of the touch bar seems like it would get some use from me. Not necessarily a huge amount, but more than I use the function keys

>>57288768
zero wing

>>57288723
I dunno, seems like that would be more complicated and expensive on their end.

>>57288768
meowschwitz

>>57288768
Auschwhiskers

>>57288768
I'm sure I've heard this joke before. Was it in An American Tale?

>>57287797
They're slowly forcing users to get used to using a touch interface on a laptop. They will slowly replace the physical buttons with a larger and larger screen. Eventually it'll be two screens. Then it will be one. This is how they slowly push people towards the iPad pro.

>>57288808
i can't imagine trying to touch type on a touchscreen
has anyone here tried to do that?

>>57288731
On smart phones, space is a premium. Unless all you ever do is text and email, the gain in screen size far outweighs the loss of a physical keyboard.

The Yoga Book is not for "normal people" use, it's a niche device targeted at people who do creative work; and a bit of Lenovo saying "check this shit out."

>>57287894
If Ableton ever updates with legit touch bar functionality I will srsly consider

Someone tell me I'm insane but didn't Razer do something like this a long time ago?

It's a gimmick that should be optional in every single model.
I don't mind that Apple is trying different suff, just don't force it on me.

>>57288817
Like beating your fingers into a hard surface.

>>57288848
i mean, how do you keep your fingers in the right spots? there's no feedback to tell how square you're hitting the keys

>>57288808
Tablets were never comfortable to type on though. I could maybe see haptic feedback touchscreen keyboards that hide and show larger context dependent buttons in their steads

>>57288844

I wish someone would remake the Sidekick with modern phone hardware. That keyboard was satisfying to use, and given the size of phablets it wouldn't be too far outside the norm.

>>57288860
>>57288866

You stare at your fingers the entire time as there is nothing to tell you you're on the right spot.

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>>57288808
>no filesystem
>no possible way to write/compile code
>no way to install non app store apps
the iPad Pro is more useless than a vista-era netbook

>>57288860
>>57288873
It's more like you glance back at your fingers occasionally to make sure you're in position. But what if they used extra haptic feedback on the f and j keys

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>>57287797
>>57287894
huh, now that I think of it, it's kinda wicked... but not enough to make up for how shit apple is all around.

>>57288438
ew
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>>57288875
It will be useless but it's the way Apple is going.
>>57288884
This not going to help as a screen will have a hard time differentiating between a resting finger and a finger that is actuating the key. Some people type with their fingers resting on home row waiting to be used. This isn't as common anymore but it was taught for some time.

>>57288875

I had an EeePC back in the day, shit was surprisingly good for a $250 laptop. Only downside was that the keyboard was a bit cramped, but even then it had GOAT battery life and was pretty zippy.

the only reason touch keyboards are okay is because of input prediction, autocorrect, word suggestion, etc
we can't have that on desktop computers and laptops because it's impractical

>>57287797
It's a gimmick for sure, but I really only used the f-keys for some games, everything the f keys could do shortcuts could do as well so I could live with it.

>>57288579
>low repair costs
LOL boy lemme tell you a little bit about "retina displays"

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>>57288875

I use a netbook Dell Mini 1012 for the work I do for one of my clients. It's made me several thousand dollars so far this year.

>>57288844
>mechanical joints prone to malfunction
yeah, that won't fly with mobile technology today

Also a physical keyboard means you have to maintain a separate inventory of parts for each language region you with to sell to. In consumer technology, inventory is kill, especially with the yearly (if not shorter) upgrade cycles we experience now.

Inventory is one factor that nearly sank Apple in the 90s. Dell built its success on made to order machines. I'm curious to see how Microsoft does since they're now entering the PC hardware business. It's different than selling peripherals, where they can still churn out a mouse made 3 years ago, versus the original Surface pro.

And touch screen phones means you can pretty much sell the exact same device worldwide.

>>57288875
Actually vista-era netbooks were pretty decent. Mine cost $250, had 8 hours of battery life, and did everything I needed it to do.

>>57288414
People will use the touch bar. The surface dual will largely be bought and forgotten

>>57288967
>several thousand dollars
That's not a lot of money anon. I hope you have some source of income.

>>57288665
Blind people

>>57287818
Concur. In the words of Sir Humphrey:
Sir Humphrey: If you want to be really sure that the Minister doesn't accept it, you must say the decision is "courageous".
Bernard: And that's worse than "controversial"?
Sir Humphrey: Oh, yes! "Controversial" only means "this will lose you votes". "Courageous" means "this will lose you the election"!

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>>57288471
Reaching the touch bar with a graphic tablet in front of your laptop must be suck desu

>>57289274
This machine is for professionals, not people drawing furry shit on da

>>57287797
a new meme just like their watch, maybe it will be usable if it accepts 3rd applications, but hey it is fucking Apple. Maybe Linux when gets the driver done for this, it will become more acceptable but not revolutionary

>>57287797
i wont lie. i have a 2012 macbook pro, an ipad and an iphone 6s plus. so i am an apple fag. that touchbar is literally the worst thing i have seen them create. everything thye create has some actual use. that thing will be awful to use, fingerprint magnet and will be just another thing to go wrong.

>>57289274
> hipster garbage "art"

I legitimately haven't seen a top tier artist using OS X in 4+ years and meet several of them every single day. Leaving the Mac Pro to die really killed them in the high end market.

>>57289018

I use it exclusively for ONE of my clients; I have six. I use it to manage all 35 of their firewalls and their VMWare environment. So far this year that one client has netted me $9,682.42 (taken directly from my billing in Upwork)

>>57289526

Going from the tower to the dust bin was easily the worst design choice they could have made

>hey, you like this sexy shining tower of power?
>what if we turned it into a garbage can that has less serviceability and shit aesthetics?
>how about we gimp all the possible configurations so it can barely perform on par with a Windows desktop of half the price?
>what if we dropped the number of ports on it, because who the hell connects more than 4 peripherals to a desktop?

It's like they specifically went out of their way to make it as shit as possible.

>>57287824
Or one giant click wheel

>>57288438
i can see them doing that for make it look pretty

>>57288808

>I've not watched any Apple interviews in the past 48 hours: the post

They're not fucking aiming for that you stupid cunt.

>>57290058
That's what you say now. Your tears will be the most delicious.

>>57290067

>That's what you say now

No, that's what Phil Schiller, Jony Ive's design team and Craig Federighi said yesterday and previously years ago about the future decades of laptop design. Are you that fucking delusional? What more do you want to hear to make you believe it?

The very definition of a gimmick

>>57287797
Oh its pure fucking gimmick, but I'm sure people will end up finding it useful

>>57290112
>>57290110
go off script once in a while, guys

also if someone finds it useful then is it a gimmick? honest question. the strict definition doesn't rule it out, but the strict definition could let you interpret almost anything in the consumer electronics market as a "gimmick"

>>57288530
practical*

>>57287824
>Implying

The travel looks pretty bad on this thing, I shouldn't be the one to complain I am typing on a last gen rMBP...

>>57288875
>fell for the netbook meme
>paid $900 for it

what the FUCK was I thinking

>Macbook Pro
>Skylake
>4 USB-C
>$1500 without touch bar

>Razer Blade Stealth
>Kaby
>1 USB-C, 2 USB 3, HDMI
>$1000 with touch screen

hell has frozen over

>>57291056
>>$1000 with touch screen
Microsoft's ads aside, would someone explain how you'd use a touch-screen laptop for any length of time? I can't see it.

>>57287797
What the fuck is wrong with the screen? Is it cracked?

>>57287797
Gimmick.

I was just watching the Verge video on it and most of the time he went to press a "button" on the panel he had to take two goes at it.

Then it's like "oh in Word you can set like Bold or Italics just by pressing on the touch panel instead of taking your hand away from the keyboard to move the mouse to the menu bar", which we already have shortcuts for.
Spelling suggestions when you're typing, which means you need to be looking at the keyboard instead of the screen, aka useless.
Volume changes and multimedia things could have been done faster before without having to expand touch menus.

>>57288530
What is truly innovative is when you put the hockey puck on the screen the interface below is just jittering around when you interact with it, and is a laggy piece of shit.

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>>57287797
It's shit

Instead of having your eyes on the screen and your hands on the keyboard (or your eyes and hand on the screen as you would do on a touch device) you should have your eyes at the screen and the touchbar (tm) at the same time and taking your hands of the keyboard to touch the touchbar (tm) while losing tactile by the keyboard grooves

BRAVO APPLE

>>57291064
i felt this way but was very surprised when i actually used one, it is very natural for basic gestures like selection, scrolling and zooming

it's far from necessary and not worth the battery loss imo, but the value comparison still holds

>>57287797
I saw this keyboard where you could customize all the keys about 10 or more years ago.

>>57291703
And it cost as much a macbook.
And I wager it had near zero support from any software publisher since they couldn't reliably expect anyone to have one.

>>57291748
no both of those things are not true

>>57287797
well we can rule out innovation, since it isn't a new idea by any stretch of the imagination, so that leaves us with gimmick.

>>57291748
We are talking about the touch bar, not the keyboard

If we were talking about the keyboard then the new MacBook is even shittier.
Even my cheap plastic HP laptop has a better keyboard than crApple's new keyboard with the almost non-existing key travel.
It's almost like hitting your finger on a solid surface, fuck you Apple.

As for the touch bar it's an objectively bad idea.

It would be better if they retained the physical escape and function keys and just developed a software solution to tether the iPhone/iPad/iPod with any Mac and display any relevant information or controls on a bigger touch screen

>>57288471
If you're an apple designer you don't need anything but gray, a slightly darker gray and a metal texture. I don't know why they bothered with colors.

>>57288053
>and actual function keys specific to an application. (F5 means different things to different programs.)
No reasons you could not have had that before. If you want to argue about the value of seeing what a key does, it's pretty easy to imagine that the user presses F1 or super or really anything and then the DE could display the binds for each function key for the given program on the bottom of the main screen. That would actually be better, since it doesn't require looking at the keyboard.

>>57291828
Yeah that's a fucking stupid idea christ

>>57288886
this
luckily, every retarded manufacturer out there copies apple to pander to their demographics and in this case it might be a good thing

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>>57288492
>not the same hue in both pics
triggered
also color wheel + triangle is best. just look at krita.

>>57287818
>Retarded.

Fixed that typo for you

>>57288530
what's the thing on the right? looks awful.
>let's put a physical object on your drawing space

>>57288520
It's sad to think people don't say this unironically

>>57291880
You're simple

>>57291906
You're retarded.

>>57287894
>have focus on one program
>want to switch song
>can't use a hotkey. Instead you have to manually shift focus to iTunes

what a fucking meme

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>>57291909

>>57287894
Garage band part would be so frustrating you want to see that info all on one screen to see the other shit

>>57291828
This guy said "all the keys" >>57291748 he's obviously talking about a keyboard.

>software solution to tether the iPhone/iPad/iPod with any Mac
Yes, so faggots can instead get mad about being "forced" to buy both a Mac and an iThing.

The benefit of the touch bar is developers can reliably expect a significant number of people to actually have this interface device to make it worthwhile to develop for. You can't say the same about that keyboard with the customizable keys or even your tethered iThing suggestion as ubiquitous as they are.

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>>57288570
I don't really think he was implying they took the idea from lenovo, just that they like the idea. They have been moving towards thinner and thinner keyboards with every iteration and are likely moving towards a touch only design. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually get to something like the original Surface touch cover.

>>57291986
Rather, *this* guy >>57291703 said "all the keys."

>in addition to the f keys
mite b cool
>replacing the f keys
no

>>57288638
>Microsoft uses a familiar way of interfacing with technology in a way it has never been done before
>not innovation

You might not like it or think it's useful but it is innovative.

>>57291986
>Yes, so faggots can instead get mad about being "forced" to buy both a Mac and an iThing.
>implying apple faggots don't have already all the iThings

All I'm saying is that the more I look at the touch bar the more I see it's a stupid gimmick and a useless idea.
A thin strip of touchscreen where you can only move in one axis? Why?
And losing the real physical keys for that? Double why?

They could have made the whole MacBook screen touch and it would be better than that.
Hell, they could have even replaced the big ass touchpad with a touch screen and it would still be better.

Just imagine, a touch screen touchpad that would also be compatible with the Apple Pen. It could be actually usefull.

But no, Apple is plain retarded and their fans doubly so. Fuck them.

>>57291828
You got to try the new keyboard design on this MBP? I don't think they even have it in stores yet. Do tell!

>>57292037
No, but I tried the MacBook keyboard and it was shit.

This new MacBook Pro keyboard looks similar to that and in the reveal video they say it's an improved version of that. I'm not buying it.

They just sacrificed key travel for having a slimmer MacBook. And they lost the physical esc and function keys for a stupid touch bar.

>>57291911
I think you can predefine a set of keys which will always be there.

>>57291064
It's actually quite nice to scroll when I'm lying in bed. I never use it otherwise.

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Wasn't this done 10 years ago?
In b4 because it has oled it's INNOVATION. There has been keyboard with oled keys that change in function a long time ago.

>>57291888
Knob getting in the way of your artwork? Then pick it up and set it on a different area of the screen.


>>57292022
>Apple does something
They just ripped off these products from a decade ago and mashed them into one.

>Microsoft does same thing
INNOVATION

>>57292401godly
>proper keyboard with full key travel
>numerical keyboard on a 15' form factor
>physical function keys
>touch strip for extra functions
>fingerprint reader
>hdmi, ethernet, usb ports, etc, no adaptors needed

Laptop design has regressed and it's the fault of the apple fags than allow them to charge so much for their gimmicky hipster shit

Didn't Razer keyboard had something like that?

How am I going to watch movies with it in an otherwise dark room? Is it going to turn dark? I am going to have to reactivate it to change the volume?
Or will there be an annoying bright bar under my screen while the video is playing?

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>>57287797
No USB
No Magsafe
No SD card reader
No function keys
No HDMI
No good keyboard (now shallow)
No rest for palms (as the touchpad is too massive now.)
No backlit glowing logo
No good battery life (battery smaller now)
No physical Esc key
No full bandwidth thunderbolt 3 on right side of 13"

>>57292552
No it's going to run full brightness all the time. I'm sure Apple never thought anyone would ever watch videos on it. It's a pretty uncommon task and easy to overlook.

>>57292565
>No good battery life (battery smaller now)
Battery life in my current one kinda sucks too desu. Get like 3-4 hours on my MBPr15"

>>57292552
>watching movies on a laptop
>not buying an apple tv

I bet you also illegally download movies instead of buying them or renting them through iTunes

>not serious, but the first part about watching movies on a laptop I have heard it from an apple fan
>he was trying to explain how the apple tv is essential and that if you don't own one you're a technologically illiterate pleb

>>57292450
I'm not
>>57288572
Many of the aspects of the touch bar have been done in other products or concepts over the years, but I would still consider it innovative. Although less so than the Surface dial, even if the touch bar has more possible functions. The only thing like the surface dial is that one apple accessory that didn't have any of the onscreen functionality that the dial does.

>>57292565

>No backlit glowing logo

Normie OUT.

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>>57292565
So the only "advantage" of Mac hardware is that it doesn't come with Windows and it has an easy to use UNIX based OS?

Or is macOS Sierra so shit that Mac hardware is just an expensive Facebook machine used as a status symbol in the hipster mating grounds?

>haven't used a mac for a long time for many years
>the last mac os x i used was mavericks
>it was good but it still worse than snow leopard

>>57292691

>Facebook machine used as a status symbol in the hipster mating grounds?

Its time to leave 2006. Hipsters have evolved.

>years of practice, finally able to touch type
>still have to look down to press shit
Fuck Apple and everyone who copies this.

>>57292691
>long time
>many years
>mavriks
spotted the 7 year old

>>57292764
>spotted the obvious 7 year old
Fixed.
The rest are 12-year olds.

>>57292760
They replaced the function keys, not the entire keyboard.

>>57287819
iAgree.

>>57292565

>No full bandwidth thunderbolt 3 on right side of 13"

The standard is there, it's just running under a different connector (USB type C)

>>57292565
No USB is one of the worst things they've done with the laptop. It will either push people away from the new mac, or it will confuse us over what type of USB standard to use. There's USB-C with normal USB memory sticks on the market (two connectors on the same stick) at the moment though, but I don't know how that's going to go down with everyone right now.

>>57287807
/thread should've ended after this post

>>57293675
The two ports on the right side of the machine have Thunderbolt 3 functionality but with reduced PCI Express bandwidth. For that reason, Apple recommends plugging higher-performance devices into the left-hand ports on that machine


http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/28/macbook-pro-tb3-reduced-pci-express-bandwidth/

>>57292037
new MBP w/o touch bar is in Apple stores since the 27th.

>>57287797
its a complete gimmick, the same as those Razer laptops with the LED touch screen buttons

>>57294384
>hey guys instead of giving you useful ports we used these ports no one uses
>pls buy out 39.99 dollar adapter

>>57292691
>easy to use UNIX based OS?
This doesn't mean fuckall today, even 10 years ago it didn't mean shit

what does someone need a "unix based OS" for specifically unix? nothing, POSIX compliance isn't worth shit and no one uses it especially on a fucking macbook of all things.

Steve's worst nightmare come true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1rXqD6M614

>>57294952
>bought thunderbolt 3 adapters
>doesn't work on the macbook with the exact same port as pros because it can't do thunderbolt 3, only usb-c
top kek

>>57294981
with that line if the marketers get all the promotions and end up running the company and the technology experts don't get a say, that means apple is on their way down the shitter

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>>57287894
that photos one is the dumbest thing i've ever seen it literally just mirrors the screen but is illegible

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>>57295011
marketers don't run Apple, their corporate structure doesn't allow that.
there's no Mac division to rule.

>>57287894
What's the fucking point of this? Why not just use the buttons or shortcuts meant for this shit instead of having a meme bar?

>>57295047
>is illegible
put on your glasses, grandma

>>57295078
>Visionary
Kek

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>>57287797
This is how their customers think.

>>57291911
You have a set of default keys that will always show (on the right) regardless of which program you're in

For whatever reason Apple defaulted it to show the Siri meme but you can configure it to have volume, brightness, playback, etc. whatever you want.

>>57295093
meanwhile every Win laptop is getting a touchscreen and no one cares.
even though it even interferes with your GUI as everything gets bigger to be a touch target.

touch bar doesn't get in my face and can just be ignored.

>>57295172
This isn't an argument. I don't care about you what windows laptops are doing. I'm asking what the point of this meme bar is.

>>57295151
yes, Tim Cook is a problem, but Apple's corporate structure is build around executing a few excellent products.
The other problem is that this structure doesn't scale that well when you have lots of different products like the Apple of today.

>>57287797
I'd rather have touchscreen

All this GUI bullshit only makes me want to git gud at terminal use even more.

>>57295188
>I'm asking what the point of this meme bar is.
some alternative to keyboard shortcuts that are intuitive.
for your most used programs it's still better to learn keyboard shortcuts due to speed when you touch type, for the rest touch bar.

>>57292401
I had one of those pieces of crap and it was the absolute worst

It's not innovation because it's OLED, it's innovation because it actually works more often than 1% of the time

>>57288414
As an arts and design student i agree.
Hell, this week everyone on uni was talking about how the new Microsoft shit was interesting as fuck and shit. Not a word on the Macbooks.
It was all about dem color wheel.

>>57288438
I actually really liked this because of the digitizer and the fact that you can write over it on a notebook with real pen and it digitizes it.

>>57293816
It's certainly early, and if you buy this you will certainly have to take the early adopter pill.

But then again, nothing I do regularly requires USB-A anymore.

I do a weekly backup to an external harddrive, but I could just as well do this with a $5 adapter.

Again, it's the early adopter price.

>>57295158
Facebook is still a thing?

Using these things would force me to look on the keyboard, I never look on the keyboard.

>>57287824
That's the next macbook.

Still no touch screen though.

>mfw every windows manufacturer will come with a half arsed copy of this in a few months.
The end is nigh.

>>57287824
Even bigger touchpad with apple pen support is pretty cool desu

>>57287797
Neither
It certainly has its uses, but its certainly not innovative.

>>57288579
> lower TCO
citation needed

>>57295488
IBM claimed so:
https://www.jamf.com/blog/debate-over-ibm-confirms-that-macs-are-535-less-expensive-than-pcs/

both

>>57295401
/thread
Although the way it's seamlessly implemented to interact with diffirent software is pretty cutting edge

>>57295665
Yes, this. There's no reason to be crazy about this. It can be useful but it's certainly not innovative. Now how well it must work must be a pleasure to watch.

Then again, the only thing Apple is doing wrong is the THHHIINNEEEERRRRR fucking existencial crisis. The last Retina gen was perfect in size.

>>57291911
Media keys are always available.

>>57287797
I don't see the point of this over just having a touch screen.

>>57287797

New app market to profit from.

>>57297298
touch bar functionality is freely available and not bound to mac app store apps.

>>57297325

No I just mean it'll open the floodgates to stats meters and the like.

Time to start fucking around in xcode I guess.

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>>57291920

>>57297339
Unlikely:
>There is no need, and no API, for your app to know whether or not there is a Touch Bar available. Whether your app is running on a machine that supports the Touch Bar or not, your app’s onscreen user interface (UI) appears and behaves the same way.
>The Touch Bar dims automatically and wakes when the user touches it. Do not show alerts in the Touch Bar, and do not use the Touch Bar for widgets.
https://developer.apple.com/macos/touch-bar/

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>>57288077

aka the greatest keyboard of all time.
still using mine since it launched

>>57297603

Well that's a better approach than dedicated widgets I guess.

>>57287797
Innovated but poorly approached

>>57287797
Meh, don't care one way or the other about that touch bar.

The keyboard is a deal-breaker, tho. So glad I bought mine last July. I have a few years for that keyboard to go away, or to find an alternative.

>>57287797
I fucking hate carousels enough already. Got rid of the one my Dell came with, even.
This is not only a pure gimmick, it is gay as f00k.

Apple is fucking retarded.

>>57288077
I don't know what the fuck happened to gaming keyboards but every single one has actually less function keys than the G15 and nothing amazing to offer, it's still the best keyboard ever made.

>>57287797
I actually think it's a good idea, because it's being used for what function keys were being used for. Now instead of having to remember what F1-F12 are bound to in your application you can just see it directly on the touchbar. Good idea, but it's honestly not "amazing". They should have coupled it with another feature or two and that would have done the trick.