I'm... I'm so sorry. I didn't know it would

Can somebody explain this shit?

>>57267258

blatant gimmick

Wuuut wuuut

>>57269102
It's the first actual INNOVATION Apple has made in 20 years and it's great honestly. I used to shit on them all the time but I gotta give them this one. It's so ingenious...

Can you have a player of your choice on that display or are you just cucked to Spotify and iTunes?

>>57269187
>first actual INNOVATION Apple has made
It's just not that great of an idea really. Now apps have to be retooled to utilize this touch bar that is specific to this one Apple laptop.
Why not just put a touch screen on the laptop instead?
Apples software stack is going downhill.

>>57269187
really fires those neurotic impulses...........

>>57269187
It's not an innovation so much as a stolen idea that never took off.

>>57269119
> dynamic keys
> gimmick
enjoy living in the past

Isn't this that same shit that Razer has been putting on their exxxtreme meme keyboards/laptops?

>>57269324
>keys
have fun pressing the correct "key" without looking

>>57269187
You do know Lenovo and other PC makers tried this first right?

And guess what? They killed it off because it was a stupid ass gimmick. Once again Applel faggot cucks on suicide watch

>>57269187
Dead flat keys were tried on Sinclair ZX81 and Jupiter Ace. Innovation, Apple style, means reviving 30 year old bodies.

>>57267258
>STILL no touchscreen Mac option
It just makes it the more embarrassing when they do finally adopt one and pretend how innovative they're being

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>only $69.99

forever related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA

can't apple see they have become fucking parody of themselves

>>57269264
>Now apps have to be retooled to utilize this touch bar that is specific to this one Apple laptop.
You can emulate classic function keys with it :^)

>>57269481
Which shows how shit it is

>>57269822
>>57269481
and 3 years from now when people are saying how good it is and how apple was the first people will keep bringing up razor shit lmofa

When was the last time you unironically pressed a function key?
Lincucks and bios access need not apply

>>57269765
>usb
gonna need a dongle for that

>>57269874
5 minutes ago?

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>>57269264

>>57267258
Where's the ESCape key?

>>57269874
anytime I need to change the volume, brightness, or shut of that fucking keyboard backlight my wife likes.

still no numbpad

>>57269481
>>57269500

You are both looking at this thing from the wrong perspective. Anyone can slap some touch sensitive hardware on a computer and call it innovation, but it's not the hardware that counts. Hell, my HP laptop from 2009 had a "touch bar" for some rudimentary controls, but it is in no way comparable to the one on the MBP.

The Touch Bar is created by Apple, for Apple computers with Apple's own operating system, meaning that the technology has leaps and bounds better usability than some touch keys with some slapped on Windows commands.

>>57270236
And it's customizable. My old HP laptop had it, but I couldn't customize it of course. It was just a bunch of LEDs.

Razer's shitty new keyboard has this, and guess what, no one fucking cares because it's a shitty gimmick

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>>57270222
99% of the neckbeards on /g/ cream themselves over overpriced, minimalist, ten-key-less mechanical keyboards so they have more space on their desks for buttplugs, pocky, and anime dolls and you want a number pad on a laptop for what?

It's fucking stupid but a good business move by apple to fuck over their customer

>Should we spend money making a good touch screen display with the same RGB performance as our previous non-touch laptop and revamp out OS by adding touch ui?
>Nah lets just add a shitty proprietary strip to replace the function row but still increase the price as if we did the above.

>>57270284
>Razer's shitty new keyboard has this
Nah they got rid of it for the newest generation

>>57270284
everything is a shitty gimmick when it's built for gaymers by gaymers. let the adults work with it for a while and it'll be commonplace.
not that I want it to. I actually use my god damn function keys.

>>57270293
touch screens are retarded on desk bound devices. I've had one of the lenovo AIOs at work for 6 months and it's fucking pointless.

>>57270236
This.

>>57269874
All the time. F3 to submit in SAS being probably the most frequent for me. Then again if I were running SAS on a Mac it would be studio, no idea if it uses function keys.

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>ports removed
>keyboard went from OK to shallow SHIT
>specs are pretty much garbage
>Touch Bar is a thing now where you have to actually look down from the screen in order to do something instead of actually making a touchscreen
>ESC and Function keys removed
>HUEG trackpad
>Apple logo on the back doesn't light up
>great magnetic charging cable plug got trashed
>mfw
Into the trash it goes.

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>>57269964

> mfw no escape from the botnet

>>57270350
My laptop has one and I use it alot, I pretty much never use my trackpad anymore. You're not suppose to look at a keyboard so I don't like the touch strip, I'm already looking at my display so I can quickly point to something on it. Why the fuck would I want to take my eyes off the monitor to look down at my keyboard like some normie. Also the icons on the touch strip are too small, I can see myself touching the wrong thing by mistake all the time. Not to mention that it's proprietary

to each their own though

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>>57269874
I've been using function keys since the 90's to do basic file management.

>>57270236
damn that pause button on Spotify is fucking revolutionary my dude

>>57269187
I would have liked it if they kept the function keys with it. Basically just have it lay above the function keys and use it for common tasks that you're too lazy to remember the shortcut for.

But no, they went full retard.

>>57270394
>>great magnetic charging cable plug got trashed
...fuck. Didn't even notice that one. That's a god damn shame.

>>57270291
how the fuck else are you supposed to do your taxes?

>>57267258
13 inch model
> Pro
> Dual core , no Dgpu

Pick one

>>57267258
Steve didn't die for this

>>57270462
http://www.jewfind.com/

With all the empty space they could have kept the function row, added their gay ass touch strip and even add a number pad.

Fuck their minimalism

Also a lot of reviewers are saying their keyboard is too shallow

>>57269874
All the fucking time...

>>57269500
Doesn't mean Apple's implementation is going to be as bad as fucking Lenovo's. Legitimate third party support is going to play a big part in this feature's success.

>>57270497
>>57270497
>their keyboard is too shallow
So it's perfect for the average person who will buy one.

>>57269264
>Now apps have to be retooled to utilize this touch bar that is specific to this one Apple laptop.
It won't be exclusive for long. Every Windows laptop will start including these soon.

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>>57269765
Be more wrong.

>mfw still using a 15 inch macbook pro i bought in october of 2011
>mfw still running 10.7.5
If it ain't broke

>>57270588
So does it default to function keys when there's nothing specifically programmed for it?

>>57270624
It helps that apple computers (not phones or ipads) seem to be unkillable.

>>57270551
This is (probably) part of AppKit, made by Apple for Apple laptops.
Any potential laptop maker (besides Microsoft) would have to convince Microsoft to add software support, or add it themselves (probably poorly).

>>57269760
Why isnt the air touch screen? Thats the big question. I guess itll kill the iPad

A gimmick it may be, but If someone writes an app so that the touchbar does the classic '80s Cylon eye thing, I would buy one of these laptops.

>>57270633
No idea, I've not used one but one would assume it might default to 'esc' and the system function keys for media, volume, brightness, mission control, etc

>>57270686
Does anyone still even use tablets?

>>57270703
The crazy part is ipad isnt much cheaper

>>57270703
I do for pdfs, youtube in bed, and a few other things.
It's convenient but completely optional.

where's the power button?

>>57270679
>>57270686
>>57270697
>>57270699
>>57270703
>>57263836
>>57269888
>>57270188
http://glossgloss blogspot

>>57270759
I wouldn't really mind a decent android tablet because you would have an actual file system and the ability to torrent shit and whatnot, but ios is so clunky and non-functional

>>57270494
Seriously, fucking Cook is pissing on his grave with his gay wiener

>>57267258

Needs swastikas

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No USB
No Magsafe
No SD card reader
No function keys
No HDMI
No good keyboard (now shallow)
No rest for palms (as the touchpad is too massive now.)
No backlight glowing logo
No good battery life (battery smaller now)

>>57270768
Far right of the touch bar, shared with Touch ID. You can also use it to fast user switch on Macs with multiple users.

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>>57267258
>>57269119
>>57269187
Ahem..

>>57270883
this
what is tim cuck even doing with apple

>>57267258
Literally just ordered one with my left over student loan money lmao

>>57270883

yup, this

Apple products are for idiots (democrats).

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>>57270900
Ont Videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L-mIqJW1v0

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look at the side

it looks so fucking nice. apple is great

>>57270900
If you think that horseshit compares to the touch bar you're beyond hope.

>>57270938
>muh aesthetics

Leave.

>>57270933
kartoshka

>>57270900
Lenovo doesn't get a pass either. Both are equally shit.

>>57270959
Grow up.

>>57270959
autism

>>57267258
I liked this idea better 12 years ago when it was called the Nintendo DS.

>>57267258
Not only that but they only said the display shows 25% more colors, not even a mention about DCI-P3 or aRGB compliance even though they did it with the iPhone 7. They truly don't give a single flying fuck about "Pros" anymore.

>>57269220
It changes with whatever program you are using, it's contextual

>>57270447
You actually just press and hold it to have the function keys appear.

The touch bar is not a rejection point, but that keyboard is.

Repeat after me /g/: I'm glad he's dead, i'm glad he's gone.

what should i replace my 2011 MacBook pro with? i was waiting, but not sure i want to pull the trigger anymore on a new one anymore. maybe last years model?

>you can get a MacBook with a touch pad
>or a Surface Book with a legitimate touch screen
hmmmmmm

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>>57270938
That short throw keyboard.

>>57271061
>touch screen
nobody wants this shit gimmick

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>>57270984
It's Display P3. Same as iPhone 7 and iPad Pro.

>>57270588
>be mac
>hang
>cant press esc because hang
>profit

>>57271047
250 think pad off Craigslist

>>57270648
This. Dad's still running his 2007 imac. He's probably getting the new macbook though, since the imac is starting to show it's age.

>>57270588
This is a fucking horrible idea lol

>next MacBook replaces keyboard with programmable touchpad.
>Removes USB ports entirely
>Instead all information is sent via infrared to detector devices.
>Charging is wireless only, but needs a proprietary docking station anyways.

>>57270588

Are you fucking serious? It doesn't have an escape key, and the "escape touch button" isn't even in the right fucking spot. It's a $3000 machine that I can't run vim on, it's complete trash.

>>57269874
All the time you fucking Apple fag boy cuck donkey. Have you ever used excel? Stupid fuck

>>57271127
>hangs self

>>57271152
this. get and X220 you wont regret it,

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>Plug in chargers to all 4 USB C ports.
>MacBook explodes.


But seriously, couldn't you just swap out the non touch bar top case?

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When did laptops start using these style of touch buttons? The HP Pavilion dv6000 series came out in 2007 but I'm sure some laptops were using them before that.

This thing was truly the best laptop though. Centered touchpad, full-sized arrow keys, has all the function keys. Too bad it didn't have a numpad but what can you do.

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>>57271370
>yfw the cheaper one without the touch bar has a bigger wh battery.

>>57270236
>The Touch Bar is created by Apple, for Apple computers with Apple's own operating system

Meaning that nobody will use it (much less develop for it)

>>57267258
would have been much better if they had the taptic engine / force touch under that bar. probably keeping it for 2 years along with another $300 price hike.

>>57271428
not him, but i don't see a huge problem. it looks like there's a clear use case (e.g. notifications, as they showed with the phone call thing) and the touch bar thing has default uses (e.g. it could just show function keys while it's waiting for another purpose).

i'm more concerned about image burn in and stuff like that than whether developers will find applications for it. developing for the desktop is easy, and assuming apple is allowing access to it for software not sold through the app store (who knows, maybe they'll block unapproved software from accessing it), it's not that big a threat.

>>57270293
Well, their new laptops are lighter, thinner, they have this new layered batter, and they removed all the standard ports and created an omnibus port for them to keep the laptop lighter. They changed the keyboard mechanism to make it thinner, they have a pressure sensitive touch pad. It's a decent piece of hardware.

They should have made the mac touch screen. the OLED strip is stupid

>>57271494
this. of course zealots on /g/ would bitch about all of the ports being consolidated into usb type C. literally no other laptop has 4 USB type C ports, let alone allows you to charge from any of them.

>>57271285

>not aliasing Esc

shiggydiggy etc

>>57271556
hmm, I dunno though, some people are saying the keyboard is too shallow and it's shitty.. I'll have to try one out. and I actually do like having the actual function keys the way my 2012 macbook is set up... i'm not sure I trust the strip thing...

>>57270938
Looks exactly like their last 2 "redesigns" only 2mm thinner

i know what my next computer is after this mba, which is still perfectly fine. by the time i actually need a new computer there should be new mbp's, but i think i will buy this one now. no glowing logo is a major plus, touchbar seems more useful than gimmicky, and man it just looks so beautiful. worth the wait. apple has done it again

lol @ poorfag /g/ autists triggered by the apple master race as always.

>>57270900
Jesus do all X1 Carbons have this shit? I was briefly looking for alternatives earlier and didn't notice that shit.

>>57271383
I had one of those, and jesus christ did those touch buttons suck dick, literally the worst

>>57269874
>not pressing f5 to refresh
literal retard

>>57271766
>not using Update button for refreshing without all page reload
literal retard

>>57271589
absolutely. if the keyboard is basically the same as the retina macbook, then this is a disaster. but /g/ doesn't go outside so they have no idea that the keyboard is going to be that bad.

they're just having a meltdown over all the ports being changed and wahhhh apple is fucking them all over again wahhhhhh this is triggering for autism wahhhhh

i'd kill for my laptop to have 4 USB type C ports and a headphone jack. yes i'd have to replace a bunch of peripheral cables and adapters and shit, but they'd all be *USB* peripherals. generic shit. cheap shit that i could buy 10 of for a volume discount on monoprice.

best case for replacing a magsafe charger is that i replace the sheathing for ~30 minutes of my time, $10-15 for the replacement cable, and several weeks of waiting for the shipment from china. more likely i'd just buy a whole replacement magsafe adapter from ebay for $30 and pray it doesn't explode on me, or blow like $80 or whatever on a genuine version.

how much do you think it'll cost to replace a USB Type C cable? $5? Maybe less? Monoprice has one for $5.99

>Hey! We are losing money and market share!
>I have a great idea, let's remove more features from our products!

>>57269874
I use Alt+F4 all the time. Try it and see.

>>57271853
in os x to close a window it's command+w and to quit a program it's command+q

os x doesn't use the function keys very much compared to windows. they've been auxiliary for a long time now.

>>57271800

>the only website I visit is 4chan

>>57267258
Imma be honest,,,that is cool as fuck

>>57271698
okay nevermind it literally starts at $1800 wtf is that. im not THAT big an apple cuck

>>57269187

To respond to all your (You)s, we know this shit has been around since the 2000s, in different forms. Apple is the first one to EXECUTE properly, which is all that ever matters. Are you going to go and buy a HP from 2004 because you feel like they 'won'? Apple have made something which is actually useful, they're able to do this because they have control over their own hardware and MacOS, sliders for example are best done on the touch bar, not by using a mouse to slide on the slider, when you think about it, its a dumb idea. A slider is supposed to be done by hand, not by cursor.

All these big companies begin work on shit at the same time as tech becomes closer to marketable or available to mass produce. The difference between the companies is, some decide something is too early, not useful enough yet or just not ready. Others will just cram it in their device to say 'first' even though everyone was working with prototypes for years.

I'm sick of the dumbfuck teenagers here who don't know how any of these companies actually operate.

>>57272030
what are you talking about?

>>57271383
>turion64
Someone call nine one one

>>57272046
the lowest end 13inch doesn't have the touch bar. they also make one with only a 128gb flash harddrive

>>57271722
No, Lenovo killed that feature off after one year.

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>>57270759
>youtube in bed, and a few other things
I know what those other things are.

>touch bar doest have force touch
and that, ladies and gentlemen, will be the presentation next year
>"wow, innovation"

>>57272059
that starts at 1500 or something

>>57270588
This is going to be hell playing dwarf fortress

So ingenious... it works like magic... it's beautiful.... it's so gorgeous.... it's amazing... the next big thing..... > All Apple sheep faggot hipsters right now.

>>57270900
You do know that /g/ also shits on that X1 Carbon right? I've not seen one praise it.

FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE CHEAP ONE

>>57270482
It is just branding. The Air brand is over.

>>57270495
>free

>>57271996
What 1996 website are you visiting that hasn't implemented some form of auto-refresh?

>>57269874
F2 for renaming files, F3 for seraching, alt+F4 to close aplication, F5 to refresh page F6 to move me to the adress bar, F7 to activate scrolling through arrow keys, F11 to go full screen and F12 for console. And this is only when browsing 4 chan.

>>57270293
>I literaly don't know what I'm talking about, I just hate apple products for free!

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Yall guys are bunch of whinners, nobody that owns a macbook used function keys so not a single problem to remove then and put a better and intuitive solution in their place. For every program that had shortcuts on function keys they can be shown now on the bar, you can map that shit the way you want and again, IT IS ONLY ON THIS SEGMENT OF MACBOOKS. You are not seeing it happening in your fucking razer keyboards with 147 macros and rainbowdash leds, but if you love Function keys so much, why you are not using this baby?

>>57269313
who did it first?

>>57271383
Fuck you and fuck that piece of shit laptop, it literally self-destructed from that shitty nvidia chip overheating.

>>57267258
Is this like the time they removed the arrow keys?

This is a great change for gamers. No longer will noobs think they are pressing their "function keys" when they aren't holding the Fn modifier.

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>>57273337
but anon, I am

>>57269264
>Now apps have to be retooled to utilize this touch bar that is specific to this one Apple laptop.
So? You realize OS X only works well on one company's computers, right? This is a non-issue for the vast majority of OS X users.

>>57271820
it's not the same as the retina macbook keyboard

>>57269500
Thing is Apple has the leveage to make app developers tweak their programs to be used with the bar thing, if lenovo asked spotify to change their code to include a propietary keyboard screen they would just shrug it off.
If only microsoft tried to do more shit like this...

>>57273625
Has a DV5z... mate, even the AMD GPUs overheated and destroyed themselves.

I have it in pieces in my closet, just waiting there for no reason...

AND THE TOUCH BAR WAS SHIT.

>>57269874
All the time.

All my media keys are on the function row. I use them for menus in games and shortcuts in other programs every single day.

>>57271383
I had this laptop. Overheated constantly. A real piece of shit.

>>57267258
this keyboard is flat because it's a poor render, not because it's a touchscreen, right?

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>>57269765

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>>57269119

>>57273567
Go look up the optimus maximus. Better idea actually. Real keys, just with tiny OLED screens on EACH KEY.

>>57274608
Too bad almost nobody used it.

>>57270900
The problem with this is that it relies on middleware that isn't standardized across Windows laptops. It's a Lenovo-exclusive feature on a operating system that ships with millions of laptops that don't have it. It's so niche in the Windows world that no one will support it because 99% of the rest of Windows users won't have it.

The advantage Apple has here is that this is baked in to the OS itself. It's a standardized feature that's getting attention because of the unmatched harmony between the hardware and software.

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Is the touch bar worth 2 grand /g/?

are surface pro notebooks legit good?

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>>57267258
>touch strip with shit features instead of the entire screen as a touchpad
>no escape key
>people are creaming themselves over this

Am I missing something here?

>>57274624
Yeah. Its real problem was OLED. In 2007.

Fucking keyboard was more expensive than my rig at the time.

>>57274680
Surface devices are probably the best Windows devices because they have the same home field advantage that Apple has with their devices; the software and hardware were literally designed for each other.

>>57274680
Probably not better than a Mac, in all honesty.

The dial looks cool but if you're not an artist of some kind chances are you'll never use it once the novelty fades. We are about to enter a heavy market correction and one shouldn't expect genuine innovation coming from blue chip companies right now

>>57267258
It looks ugly.

That's the worst thing about it. Absolutely poor form. Steve is having seizures in his grave

>>57274696
An even bigger problem (likely caused in part with what you said) is that it wasn't supported by Microsoft. Not too many developers are going to develop for an exclusive feature on a keyboard that only a hundred people are going to purchase.

If Microsoft doesn't support it in Windows the same way Apple does with this Touch Bar, it pretty much doesn't stand a chance. It's too exclusive!

>>57267258
That looks lit as fuck anon

>>57270588
a-are you trolling? You do know that the escape key won't appear until after the OS fully loads, right?

>>57274743
Believe me, I was 13 at the time and I remember reading about that keyboard in the MaximumPC magazine and desperately wanting it. But I had already worked my ass off on small jobs to buy a rig. I wasn't going to do it all over to buy a keyboard.

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>that video editing timeline layout for Final Cut Pro

Oh just take my money.

>>57273691
Is that keyboard PS/2?

>>57274789
This is honestly the first thing I've seen that would make me want it.

>>57274809
It has a DIN-5 connector so it needs an active adapter for use on a modern computer

the capacitive buckling springs are worth it tho imo

>>57270394
They have to be having a giggle now. This is just straight up trolling.

Back when the unibody MBPs were launched they were great. 17" model offering, thin and light when held against their contemporaries, gorgeous aesthetics and absolutely bananas battery life.

Since then they've increased raw tech performance, but have compromised potential by pursuing thinness with an unhealthy obsession and made functionality progressively worse. At least they haven't made them look crap, that's reason they the small number they still do to any sheep.

It's a shame really.

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>>57274789
>>57267258
>>57270588
How is this better than a regular touchscreen?

How would you even use it at all? What the fuck is it for?

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So have you guys purchased a Surface Book yet?

>>57274916
No but I did buy a thinkpad with a touch screen

>>57274916
No I'm waiting for the newer version with the 16 hour battery and better processor to come out. From there I can buy it with my best buy employee discount.

>>57274916
I'm going to buy an x260. Fuck these shitty consumer laptops with non-replaceable parts.

>>57269874
ctrl+alt+F1 to ctrl+alt+F6 everytime I wanna login in a virtual text console
oh... wait... Linux!

>>57272844
chuckled

>>57270291
>buttplugs, pocky, and anime dolls
iLold

>>57270991
>Implying a version of the program that interacts with the TouchBar™ API is released
>Implying it was download through the App Store™
>Implying it was accepted and published there in the first place

Yeah sure man, it's not going to be just Spotify...

>>57267258
We have honestly reached a point where innovation has taken a turn towards useless gimmicks.
>touchscreen monitors on laptops
>"convertible" laptops/tablets
And now
>touch screen function keys
They're running out of ideas.

>>57270768
You don't need a power button. It's been removed.

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>>57270938
wait, so all the iToddlers that bout the iphone 7 ONE month ago CAN'T EVEN CHARGE IT ON THEIR MACS?

OH MY GOD AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

NO FUCKING WAY

>>57267258
>even the escape "button" is botnet

>>57275001
It's a natural consequence of Moore's law. We've gotten to the point where processors physically cannot get any smaller/more powerful so now companies have started coming up with bullshit gimmicks to sell the latest models rather than tech specs.

>>57269874
>And now we are going to fuck you in the ass for $999.99
>Hehe... well it's not that I use my ass for anything hehehe, desu tru story XD

Every single fucking Apple release

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>>57272904
>>57270900


>Thinkpad X1 Carbon
>Thinkpad

REEEEEEEE the thinkpad meme has been tainted by lenovos shitcuck lackluster fistfuck shit.

>>57275034
What is good about the macbooks that gives them a lot more 'felt' power is the PCIe SSDs, they created a bus for it that un-bottlenecks it, the cache memory is near instant. So, they actually went thru undulations to give a reasonaly powerful computer in a smaller package.

I think people are complaining too much about the USB-C ports. These ports are actually a big leap for computers in general, they're omnibus, and especially with some recent regulation, they're going to be ubiquitous. apple fucked up the iphone, but i'm sure those are going to go to USB-C too...

To me the Iphone is the DUD of a product they released.

>The Touch Bar is a Retina display, like the screen of a MacBook Pro. To perform custom drawing or animation within the Touch Bar, follow the same best practices that you would on the screen.

>There is no need, and no API, for your app to know whether or not there is a Touch Bar available.

>The Touch Bar dims automatically and wakes when the user touches it. Do not show alerts in the Touch Bar, and do not use the Touch Bar for widgets.

>Use Retina-resolution image assets, designated as @2x in your asset catalog and with a maximum height of 30 points (corresponding to 60 pixels).

AYY LMAO

applel is going down next year
ss this post too, and add it to my previous one

>https://developer.apple.com/reference/appkit/nstouchbar?language=objc

>>57267258
It's not your fault, Mr. Steve Jobs. RIP in piece, sweet prince.

>>57267258
It's a SiriBook Pro, what do you expect. Apple is all gimmick.

>>57269187
For the love of fuck anyone who cares about productivity uses function keys. Why would you slide around on the touch bar when navigating via mouse and keys are much faster even with a fucking track pad?

I'm fine with the novelty of the touch bar but removing function keys for it is horseshit.

>>57275237
>anyone who cares about productivity

Anyone who buys Apple products does not care about productivity

>>57267258
Why not just make the screen touch screen and put iOS on it.

>>57269874

Protools 12 HD
Adobe Premiere CC 2016
Avid Media Composer
Davinci Resolve
Nuke

Oh, wait... you don't make money, do you?

That new bar shit is fucking useless. Fucking retarded.

>>57275310
haaaah epic!

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>>57275350

but emojis, anon

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>>57275310

Not if you work in audio post production.

The entire industry is geared to work with Apple. You must take it up the ass.

I would know, I have a 12 core xeon mac pro 6,1 with 64gb of ram as my main Protools rig. 8500 dollars. I also use it for everything else, video editing, compositing and running industry standard peripherals.

You 3d compositing fags stepped the fuck away from apple long ago. Take pity on us.

It. Fucking. Sucks.

Guys I think I may be jumping ship... Don't know if I can resist the Razer blade with a 1060, 16GB of ram and an actually up to date Skylake for £200 less than the equivalent 13" MBP, or the XPS 15 which is £500 less

>>57275383
>12 core xeon mac pro 6,1 with 64gb of ram
>for Protools

It surprises me not one bit those snake oil aficionados all love macs.

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>>57275472

Ever mastered a 200 track session with a few hundred instances of plugins including reverb, expanders, compressors, universal audio emulators, and run program screen on a 4 screen setup?

I know you haven't.

/g/ really gives a lot of shit to a laptop that they will not buy.

>>57275472
>i don't know what the fuck I'm talking, but Apple sucks, so must say shit about it.

>>57275518
Anon, why you don't go for a X79 or X99 hackintosh?

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>>57275585

Serious compatibility issues. Pic related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_N91RveNDg

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>>57275383

Bullshit.

PT runs on PC's and has run on PC's for fucking ever. I ran PTLE5 on Win98SE with my old AMIII card. ASIO driver for the AMIII meant I also used it with Cubase 5.1R2 as well. I fuckin miss that thing. Pissed 'cause Digi did their usual fuck boi shit by dropping support with PTLE 6.0.1 (IIRC). Ended up moving to PT M-Powered for the longest.

I know people like to perpetuate the myth of "Mac over PC" for audio, but it's complete bullshit. Maybe back in '97 or '98, back when I used to sell MI equipment, but in this day and age no.

>>57275768

b-but logic pro :D

>>57275757
God, that mix board looks awesome
I only do shit with PD, MAX, Sibelius and VST. A hackintosh is sufficent for me for now.

>>57275768
Something still is true on that: You don't need install a shitty driver to have low latency audio with the integrated sound card in OSX.
Of course, pros buy interfaces and shit, so this discussion is somewhat pointless.

>>57275810

I still have my copies of Logic Audio Pro 4.0 through 5.5.1 for Windows. 5.5.1 was the very last version available for the PC 'cause right after that Apple bought Emagic.

I hated Logic. Only reason I used it was 'cause a couple of small software companies I did contract work for used it and it was easier to swap sessions if we were all using the same thing.

>>57269874
All the fucking time

>>57275875

very much so. Nobody uses onboard audio for serious work.

>>57275968
My friends in fact do it. At least in their live concerts of punch punch electronic music.
I know, that isn't TOO serious in comparison…

My problem isn't just the loss of function keys which I use a lot, but this shit looks UGLY. Fucking UGLY. And if we can turn it off it'll just be wasted space. Im not happy to say the least. Hopefully they'll make one MacBook pro the traditional way and another one of these millennial pandering bullshit

>>57270419
As a developer, I have a gaymen keyboard with a bunch of macro keys to automate some stuff I don't want to have to type every time (for loops, console output and shit like that). Remembering which button does what is kinda hard there. For that, buttons with displays in them would be perfect, because if it's a tactile button, you can easily use it blind too, but if you're not sure which button to press, you can look at it and still save time. With that touch bar, you lose the tactile feedback of an actual button, so that's kinda stupid

>>57271266
>Because the laptop is entirely metal the wireless charger can only access the induction coils through the plastic keyboard
>You can't type on the keyboard while charging

Actually that sounds about right.

guys this is shit. you know this right? you're not that retarded right?

>>57275135

>The Touch Bar is a Retina display
>Use Retina-resolution image assets
Even when talking to developers they can't just cut through the bullshit and stick to their buzzwords.

>>57280002
why do some of you guys get so triggered over the retina word here?

it's just their term for high ppi

what is it exactly that's so absolutely horryifying about it?

>>57280052

Because it's obscuring what they actually mean.
A developer knows what high ppi means but Retina is meaningless.

wait, they removed esc and f keys for the touchbar?

you're already using half the available space for your dumb huge touchpad - stop stealing the keyboard's space.

>Tim, the other artists and renderers and I are just so sick of the industrial designers and engineers having so much power over the final product!
>They keep brushing off our amazing ideas with made up words like "ergonomics" or "anthropometrics," we find it offensive and belittling!
>I think we should take over this product cycle because we're the ones who really understand Steve's vision!

>>57280093
>A developer knows what high ppi means
what does it mean exactly?

"high ppi" isn't a specific threshold or anything. it just means "high".

if you're upset about the lack of specificity, then it's no better than "retina". if you're upset about the proprietary nature of it, just think of it like "kleenex" (or if you live in the UK, "hoovering").

this isn't honestly this big a deal to you, is it? because there are so many things that are more worthy of your attention than this pedantic nonsense.

>>57275383
>The entire industry is geared to work with Apple. You must take it up the ass.
bullshit. reality is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFHIBo3d4Rw

>>57267258
>innuvashion

>>57280567
If anything, "retina" can mean something more useful. "Retina" has come to mean doubling the pixel density, since that's basically what Apple has done with everything that's gotten the upgrade treatment. So if you can think of any conventional display (like a 1080p monitor), then you can say the "Retina version" of it would be a 4k monitor of the same size.

Calling something "high ppi" could mean anything. 4k at 24", or 4k at 28", or 4k at 15". these are all high ppi, but I would argue that only the 24" monitor is sort of intuitively 1080p, and thus that'd be the "retina" display.

>>57280603
...or you could say double ppi

>>57280770
Yeah, or I could say "retina" since even non-technical people recognize that term (certainly more than they recognize "ppi").

>>57280770
this is precisely the kleenex example i gave. is nit worth picking?

>>57269187
>Innovation
>Gaymer keyboards have had this "feature" for years

>>57280794
but it's not
everyone knows what kleenex means
barely anybody knows that Retina means double the ppi

>>57280794

Yes because all this explanation could have been saved if you just used words people already knew.

>>57280789
Ask non-technical people what Retina means, please. They won't be able to tell you anything but "it's some Apple thing"

So this icon is just dynamic? you can change it to any application you like?

....

right?

If they burned the spotify logo on the actual laptop then fucking lol

>>57269485
I bet you can't touch type on a phone, old man

>>57274789
I would honestly get it if it worked with DaVinci Resolve as well

>>57281722
yeah it's dynamic, devs are encouraged to create their own thing for it
but lmao that won't happen until this piece of shit 'innovation' takes off

>>57280850

ask non-technical people what Gnome means, please. They won't be able to tell you anything but "it's some gay thing"

>>57282484
what has that do with anything?

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>>57270588
RIP Vim users

>>57282435
I'm sure they should use it in a future release seeing how popular it's gotten.

>>57269874
I'll agree that anyone who still uses function key binds is probably retarded/an emacs user, but that doesn't warrant actually removing them. Same is true of the normal number row as well, and you don't see apple removing that one.

Windows has exactly one shortcut apart from ctrl+alt+delete that I actually remember, and it's alt-f4

>>57283161
vim defaults are unusable.

>>57270267
>>57270236
It's not the same thing at all m8, how fucking retarded are you? The bar on those shitty HP laptops was a simple bunch of capacitative buttons to replace normal buttons
lelnovo, razer and others did literally the same thing as Apple just did, with the ability to customize the buttons to your liking, the only difference it's that Apple's size can convince a few meme companies to adopt the retarded feature and use their API
>>57271471
Burn in isn't really noticeable when most of the panel is black all the time, it is noticeable on white

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>>57269187
B-but Lenovo did the same thing last year and everybody hated it..

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>>57267258
>2015 one button push to raise/lower volume
>2016 one tap, and a slide to raise/lower volume

>2016 Word suggestions as you type, lift finger to the bar and touch the next word
>Not using tab or spacebar like the iphone with suggestions as inline popups on the text editor.

>2015 Macbook, Macbook significant throttling under load due to small size and thermal sacrifice for appearance
>Make it smaller with a dedicated GPU

>>57269187
well if it's so great, then the obvious consequence then would be to replace the entire keyboard with it.

Because apparently macfags are too moronic to imagine having multiple binds on certain keys. They need a screen changing colors to mentally grasp it. Which is really the only thing this is. Which means the only people this is useful for is those who don't mind looking at their keyboards while using the machine, i.e. idiots.

>>57270236
just because apple is slightly less incompetent than the memers over at razer at implementing the thing doesn't mean it's innovation when they do it.

xcode was updated adding the touch bar framework.

someone make an esc key that slides around everytime you try to press it

>>57270938
Looks exactly like a Thinkpad Troll picture what the fuck

>>57271383
This series were the ones that earned HP the fame for overheating pieces of shit

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>>57267258
Goodbye Bootcamp.
>Boot the computer and repeatedly press and release F8 until the Advanced Boot Options menu pops up. Then you can select Safe Mode or Safe Mode with Networking.

>F8.....fuuuuu

>>57274789
Why would you literally need to have the same information presented twice but being uselessly tiny on one of the screens?

>>57270291
you do understand that the mechanical keyboard you posted has way more keys and functions that do not depend of a fucking OS to work in less keys that the stupid ass macbook keyboard that doesn't have a fucking ESC key and doesn't offer an alternative either?

>>57283657
they work for me.

>>57273567
On laptops I can think of Razer doing this shit.
Its worthless. At the end of the day I'd rather use a function keys and hotkeys than this shit.

is it bad? i'm actually going to buy a 15-inch model

>>57283836
I could see it being used to give us some screen estate.
Only in certain apps though. The Spotify music player is worthless thou.

Maybe Apple actually IS innovating. Just like the MS Dial Application specific keys and gestures seem to be the feature.

>>57283945

yeah, grab one of the old stock, should show up on the refurb page soon

>>57283836
Because it provides an overview of the entire timeline and you can use touch controls to zoom in and out whilst saving you some good screen real estate.

>>57274670
Exactly, it's just one more gimmick that looks good thanks to Apple maintaining a walled garden approach with all of their products.

>>57270686
You're out of touch. The Air is the fattest MacBook currently available.

>>57284022
oh. i was going to get the new ones. i still kinda like them but eh

When was the last time 99% of users used any of the F keys? Like, I use Photoshop, Ableton, Sublime Text, and other programs than in theory would benefit a lot from this, but I actually don't even know if they have shortcuts that employ those keys. Games maybe, but I can't recall much and play with a DS4 anyhow.

The only time I ever use the F keys is for Alt-F4 and that's because I'm on Windows - I don't think Unix has that shortcut.

This is a good change.

>>57284186
holy plebeian batman

what the fuck is wrong with those arrow keys

>>57274926
Same, bought a Thinkpad yoga 14

>>57269187
Gotta hand it to Apple, I'm honestly astonished it's taken computer companies this long to do but they've done it first and nailed it.

>>57282563
Nothing, appletard just ran out of arguments

>>57274916
>Surface Book

I will whenever the 2nd gen comes out. Though I'm seriously considering a Surface Studio with a Surface Pro as a mobile drawing tablet.

>>57271471
I don't really see the notification use case as that big a deal. Maybe showing notifications on a separate display would be slightly less of an interruption, but are you really receiving phone calls so much that it can't pop up on the screen to alert you?

I use Pushbullet on my Mac, and the notifications it sends (for texts, phone calls, etc) through Chrome are pretty unobtrusive and can be dismissed easily.

The things with developers is that they think "Do I really want to spend a bunch of time learning Apple's APIs for this new thing that's only supported on one computer out of the very newest line of computers of one OS?

What's really surprising is that the demo is Spotify, given their whole Apple app store issue. Did that end up getting resolved?

>>57275443
The XPS 15 has a far, far worse GPU in it that the Razer Blade.

I'm mirin that touchpad though.

>>57270883
no usb, what the fuck are they thinking, why not

>>57271285
Why would you want to run Vim?

>>57284186
>but I actually don't even know if they have shortcuts that employ those keys
Well, if the only thing you do is post in Facebook then it makes sense you don't need those keys

>>57283831

HOLY SHIT

THE MADMEN

>>57284186
Ladies and gentlemen, the facebook generation.

>why am I getting fired? I can't fucking believe that other guy does the same tasks three times faster than me, that's impossible

>>57283831
shouldn't the screen revert to Esc+F1-F12 when no software is present to control it?

WHY NOT JUST MAKE THE SCREEN TOUCH??

REVOLUTIONARY RIGHT???!!

WHO THE FUCK IS LOOKING AT THEIR KEYBOARDS?

ITS THE SCREEN IM LOOKING AT

IM DONE WITH APPLE FUCK WAITING 2 YEARS FOR THIS SHIT

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>>57267258

>flat keyboard
>no function keys
>no escape

I hope they start taking randoms letters out next to represent the gradual loss of intelligence of their costumers

>>57285157
That's what I hope but there is no detail yet on how the touchbar will be supported: in firmware so that the function keys are present right at boot, or in software only after the OS has booted.

Right now, what with their focus on "application-specific", "emoji-improved", "revolutionary-interaction", it sounds more like the second option, which would be tragic.

>>57284186
Unix users have ctrl+alt+F1 to ctrl+alt+F6 to access text consoles in case the graphical interface borks or the mouse pointer freezes. It's therefore critical that function keys work even when other things freeze or crash in the system, such as, oh I don't know, the touchbar driver.

VIM users also make extensive use of the ESC key.

>>57285235
Apple is one of the few companies that understand how stupid a touchscreen is on a regular laptop.

>arm fatigue
>wobbling screen
>view obstruction
>fingerprints

>>57285720
>the graphical interface borks or the mouse pointer freezes

B-but linux is supposed to be reliable

>>57285762
Not x11

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>Apple is no longer including the extension cable with their laptops, instead you will have to buy separately

lmao, they bumped up the price of their laptops by hundreds of dollars, took away features like the magsafe and sd card slot, and now are remove things they used to include

>>57285744
Sure, but it doesnt have to be a normal laptop.

A touchbar is just retarded.

>>57269264
This is pretty neat. A touchscreen should be a great option but this is still a separate idea entirely. I know that it'd be more convenient if I could press play on a little touchscreen on my keyboard than to poke at my screen unless it's in tablet mode. But I also see the convenience in a complete touchscreen at other times.

it's just a little neat thing

>>57285843
Convertible laptops are also retarded.

>>57269765
Just map esc to cruise control faggot.
Most macucks dont use vim anyway.

>>57267258
this is actually pretty fucking shitty
especially for people that play games

for example
i play minecraft and in minecraft you have to use alot of function keys
like, f1 to hide toolbar
f5 to change camera angle
f2 to take screenshot
etc
its pretty fucking shitty alot of people play games on macs
yeah. on macs

>>57271127

That bar runs WatchOS, completely separate OS.

Wish Dell or IBM would innovate instead of following Apple's example all the time. We will see this in XPS about two years too late.

>>57286130
You clearly never owned one. At least not a good one. Definitely not a surface book either.

Touchbar = ultimate retardation.

>>57286174
Not really. This is just like 3d touch. Only works if you have vertical integration. Just a gimmick

>>57269874
every single day.......minutes ago.

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>keyboard b*zels
eww

I DONT WANT TOUCH ANYTHING
WHY DID APPLE FUCK THIS UP?
NOW I HAVE TO BUY DELLSHIT REEEE

>>57284186
Anybody that uses Photoshop or Illustrator seriously knows all the hotkeys for anything that's going to be on the retarded touch bar. The precision of the bar won't even good enough to change colors.

A lot of the more advanced hotkeys use the F keys as well.

>>57274672
That image is stupid and you should feel stupid.

>1TB of spinning rust vs 1TB PCI-e SSD
>1080p vs 220 PPI

>>57274672
its like a totally different market segment. last thing i'm gonna carry everywhere is some huge gaymen shit w/ shit battery life.

>>57285235
Touchscreens on laptops are retarded, I hope Apple never does this.

>>57269187
>INNOVATION
(you)

>>57275028

lol who the fuck charges their phone using their laptops, get in with the times grandpa

>>57274886
Apple's probably just testing how low they can go, with their GDP going down and all.

>>57275028
Serious question, why would you charge your phone on your computer for what purpose?

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>>57274992

>>57275342
Most software manages to function without relying on function keys, and Davinci Resolve supports the touch bar.

See
>>57286650

>>57283726
>Because apparently macfags are too moronic to imagine having multiple binds on certain keys. They need a screen changing colors to mentally grasp it. Which is really the only thing this is. Which means the only people this is useful for is those who don't mind looking at their keyboards while using the machine, i.e. idiots.

Get off your high horse, looking at the keyboard isn't the same as looking at a small touch screen. They're two distinct methods of interaction. Some people never feel the need to touch type, and live their lives happily staring at the backs of their hands. Others do learn, and reap the benefits of quick text entry. Some people can even "touch type" on their phones, it's nothing to get upset about.

This is an interesting new approach to laptop user interaction and comes with a solid looking API to build touch bar support into apps. There's potential here.

>>57286166
The Touch Bar, camera and TouchID are all powered by the T1 chip that is securely booted and provides a secure key store to avoid keeping keys in memory (bad).

>>57286323
Have you watched the Photoshop demo in the keynote? It looked really good.

>>57287161
Yes. Everything on the bar was useless because every professional already knows the hotkeys (which are much faster) and most will already have a much better workflow setup on their Cintiq.

>>57287197
Being able to change the colour while drawing with no palette on screen? That seems pretty useful to me.

>>57287210
People already do this much more precisely with hotkeys or by using the color chooser on the Cintiq and their pen.

>>57270914
>leftover student loan money
>not investing that shit or dumping it back into your loan

Jesus christ almighty

>>57287239
but i'm actually INVESTING in quality hardware for my future job

>>57287229
But we're not talking Cintiq we're talking laptop. This is an improvement for laptop computing. Pen based UIs are great in other places iPad Pro and the new surface thing are good examples.

>>57287270
>$3000 Macbook user
>Future job
Hope you're not going into programming, because I actively remove you people from my list of resumes.

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>>57287270
>investing
>putting in capital in hopes of a return
>money into a closed system that does not have value comparable to other options.
you are actually performing conspicuous consumption.

>>57270938
Even the Apple shills are decreasing in quality.

>>57274672
Jesus, I can buy 10 Thinkpads for that price, upgraded to superior specs.