/Microsoft Surface Studio/

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>>57251797
>28" 3:2 active digitizer screen
Say no more.

>>57251836
I would buy the display if it didn't come with all that overpriced mediocrity attached

>>57251797

Genuinely, I love the idea. I wouldn't mind spending the money for it, if I had a usecase that wasn't just >fucking around in photoshop making retarded ass edits of dumb shit my friends say and do
I AM surprised they're not running the newer Pascal hardware in it, though. That's a genuine surprise to me. Big performance leap, big decrease in power draw, and a bigger selling feature than "We've got high-end mobile graphics from last year embedded!"

>>57251846
It would make a great external display for the surface

>>57251882
>for the surface
no. but it would for a decent desktop computer.

wtf i love windows now

well great i have a computer for gaming and computer for retouching WITHOUT switching OSs

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>>57251900
>paying $3000+ for a $400 laptop and a nice screen

Wouldn't buy it without Pascal GTX 1080 or GTX 1070, both of which are more power efficient than GTX 980M

>>57251900
and a tablet
you can use a pen!

>>57251846
seriously. or if the thing had a display in.

>>57251797
>fingers on the screen
uh, no thanks

STALLMANITES BTFO

FULL

DAMAGE

CONTROL.

It'll fail as very few people can afford to blow this much money on their PC.

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>>57251928
the fact that they can unironically announce this thing using outdated laptop GPUs is just fucking tragic.

>>57251928
umm,

This isnt a gaming rig, kid. This is for office use and for artists. Do you know how much an art tablet is? pretty fucking expensive for non-shit ones. Considering the prices, specs, and features, this thing is a steal. and a 980M is more than enough.

Apple's only real entry in this segment doesn't even have a digitizer and the ipad pro doesnt even count, so you still have to invest in a drawing tablet. Also Apple's software has not been catering to professionals anymore, but instead deviantart grade "artists"

Also the 10 series mobile gpus aren't even ready yet.

>try to awkwardly hold this hockey puck
lost

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>>57252064
not the guy you're replying to, but.
>umm
>kid
stopped reading.

>>57252081
back to /gif/ crossdressing thread

>>57252081
Absolutely, amazing and thought provoking rebuttal.

I've got one too:

You need to be at least 18 years old to be posting here

>>57252169
"welcome to 4chan newfriend"

>>57251797
wtf I love Microsoft now.

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>>57252362
>hybrid disk
>not even actual SSD

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Looking forward to their own version of bendgate.

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>>57252383

>>57252362
What was dropped? You on to your head when you were a baby?

This is not a /v/ machine.

>the only good thing is the display, which comes with an overpriced and mediocre laptop attached
Sounds a lot like an iMac

>>57252383
Shouldn't be a problem as their market is professionals, not retards.

>>57252064
Why does it need mobile GPU if it's not mobile?

>>57252400
>/v/ machine
are you retarded? this thing is made for people like me, who use graphics software (lightroom, photoshop, zbrush, 3D coat) all of which are GPU accelerated and would benefit from a good GPU (especially at that resolution).

this thing's GPU is already outdated before it comes out.

>>57252406
at least iMac comes with a decent unix based OS.

>>57252415
more shekels for microsoft.

>2016
>2-button mouse

I'm out of words.

>>57252436
>OSX
>Decent
You've clearly never actually had to use it.
While it is based on Unix, it's still so obscenely locked down that it may as well be Bizarro-world windows

>>57251797
Seems weird Microsoft making hardware targeted towards only a very specific market.

>>57252457
it's better than botnet10

>>57252415
Probably due to the thinness and thermal limits.

>>57252480
Why does it need to be thin if it's in a seperate enclosure to the display?

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>>57252407
retards have infiltrated all levels of society.

And if this dial thing means people will be putting pressure on the upper half of the panel, no matter how light of touch is advised by the pdf manual not included.

seems kind of neat but i wouldn't buy one

>Hybrid drive
Haha oh wow.

>Surface dial
Interesting concept that'll never be supported by developers.

>Everything else
Literally Apple and a good showing of how MS is going down hill

>>57252652
>Surface dial
>Interesting concept that'll never be supported by developers.

supported by every prosumer tablet, its old features
i mean fa/g/s will never buy a premade, offices will buy premades, and now regular people buy laptops. now theyres just appealing to people who can waste money on art degrees

>>57252783
>supported by every prosumer tablet, its old features
nah, this is not the same shit as wacom's dial.

>>57252508
because people dont like bulky as fuck devices. and a tower for "gaymen" hardware increases said bulk.

>>57252809
really? i can glide my fingers across my intuos and cylce through the photoshop's hues or assigned shortcuts. i dont feel like its that far off other than being a physical dial

>>57252847
>Iet me just slip this 27inch touch screen in my bag
Retard

>>57251846
Why don't you just buy a Cintiq then?

>>57252924
overpriced ,and shitty display quality

>>57252858
that doesn't magically give it software support

>>57252064
Are you stupid or FULL RETARDED?

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/notebook

>>57251846
>what are margins
Slapping on overpriced mediocrity is half of apple's bussiness model that micoshit is trying to copy. The next step is to pretend these drawbacks are features and convince retards it takes courage to overcharge people for it.

>>57252053
MS takes awhile to make stuff...

>>57252924
Because this is like $200 more than a shittier Cintiq screen.
>Wacom on suicide watch

>>57252979
lol wat
you download wacom drivers and it can auto detect if youre in photoshop, illustrator, and zbrush. honestly dial like response has been a feature for years, just now they repackage it as this dial

you really think microsoft would just ignore the market this is catered to AND the feedback from the surface laptop, which was practically marketing to the same people and failed

>>57253157
>wacom drivers
I'm talking about microsoft's meme dial.

>GTX 980M on a desktop
why

>>57253174
i mean thats my point
they basically just copy+paste wacom driver into theirs. why would devs not give support

>>57252907
>confusing portability with massive full tower pc bulk that eats up desk space.

Being this fucking retarded.

>>57253182
>they basically just copy+paste wacom driver
you really don't know how software works, do you?

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>Battery Life: up to 3 hours

>>57252988
please tell me you know the difference between a M series GPU and a desktop GPU.

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>>57253227
you thinking a dial is a new, interesting concept and still holding onto that
kys :^)

>>57253263
software support doesn't magically work

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>>57253276
welp here you go

>>57252907
https://www.amazon.com/Lavolta-Carrying-Case-Apple-27-inch/dp/B01DYHDQNI

>>57253255
You are retarded if you can't see the link says NOTEBOOK, you fucking stupid blind cunt

>>57253255
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10564/nvidias-geforce-gtx-10series-for-notebooks-unveiled-launching-today

KYS, you ignorant bastard son of a bitch

>>57253234
>Proposing in an apple store
>being a faggot
Don't know which is worse desu

>>57253209
Why does desktop pc that is entirely concealed by the footprint of its monitor need to be ""thin and light""?

Is loud thermally inefficient hardware more professional?

why the FUCK is microsoft ONLY creating devices for visual design artists? Like seriously what the fuck is their problem? there's like 10,000 people in the world tops who would ever buy this

>>57253255
nvidia dropped the M from it's mobile line, so there aren't any 10XXMs
please tell me you knew that :^)

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>>57253310

>>57251836
its not Wacom so its trash

>>57251797
Thank you for satisfying the oc quota

It's going to be a mobile CPU isn't it

>>57253734
i agree, we need more shitposts like this

>>57253410
but they're the exact same thing?

>2016
>nvidia 9xxM
>no SSD
>two button mouse

>>57251797
is this an applefag butthurt thread/

>niggas hating on the gpu specs

this thing is a machine to draw on, or office

it is not a rendering nor gaming rig

>>57254128
Are you stupid or retarded?

GTX 1070 is faster, more power efficient and cheaper than a GTX 980M

>>57254190
>faster, more power efficient and cheaper

what does your post have to do with what i wrote?

trying to understand your point now... i guess the decision is because of size

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>>57251797

weird

microsoft made something that is as sexy as a redhead's freshly bathed buttocks

am i really living in the now?

I CAN'T STOP LISTENING TO THIS DAMN SONG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nse6FkmTTOg

>>57254128
>entire selling point is the drawing ability for graphics artists
>office
I wanna be able to run zbrush decently, so I want a good GPU, and not last gen's laptop gpu

>>57254304
too bad ygritte didnt look like that and was bone skinny with no breasts

>>57254043
Why? this is clearly an apple device.
>dated from launch
>form over function
>aimed at ""creative professionals"" not ""gaymer trash""

>>57254360
Zbrush is entirely cpu bound.

>>57254399
>drawing polygons in realtime
>with realtime shaders
>cpu

>>57254407
>ZBrush and ZBrushCore are CPU-based software, meaning that a special video card is not required to get the best results when running the application
https://pixologic.com/zbrush/system/

>>57254369
o-okay

hey fellas go peep the penny arcade fag blog

https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/26/the-surface-studio

he has been using one for a while behind the scenes

>>57254421
the realtime renderer is gpu bound you cuck

>>57253132
they are not on watch, no one would bother trying to stop them

If you care about the GPU at all, you aren't the target audience of the Surface Studio at all

>>57254490
Again, uneducated morons like you shouldn't comment if they don't know shit

Would buy for the screen alone. Any words on video in?

>>57254627
it's an all-in-one pc you idiot

>>57253310
>unavailable
>no price
>14 reviews
dropped

>>57254662
You're the idiot. What has being an all in one to do with video in? I can see plenty of people wanting to use this instead of a 4K TV.

>>57251797
so its on par with applel prices

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>>57253416
>common sense
Careful with that edge.

ITT: jobless misers construct a poor substution

>>57254526
he sounds very educated in marketing

>>57252064
>10 series mobile gpus aren't even ready yet
are you retarded?
mobile 10 series is just the desktop versions running lower clocks

>GTX 965M(GM206) for base model
>GTX 1050 Ti(GP107) has the same performance as GTX 960 and is 75W, much lower power consumption and higher performance than GTX 965M9(GM206)

MS is retarded and it really shows and before the full retards comment, higher performance means better app performance and the Pascal GPUs support DP1.4 which means you don't have to fuck around with the DP spec to run a 4.5K screen, DP1.2 support in older GPUs means 4K max

>>57252064
>this is for office use
>4100 dollars

yea I can see corporate america throwing out their old ass Dell optiplex 710's for this thing

>>57252480
The 1060 uses less power than the 980m

>>57251874

I'm really fuckin bummed it doesn't have it, but I'm not surprised it doesn't either.

First Theory: Mobile pascal only came out like 2 months ago, and yes, there are already gaming PCs with mobile pascal in them, but PCs like the Studio are not using generic components with a generic case. Lead times on the manufacture of devices like this are much longer than generic gaming PCs, especially a first generation design where they probably had to redo the design multiple times throughout its development cycle in response to manufacturing difficulties.

Simply dropping in a Pascal GPU is easier said than done. It would likely require a large retooling as well as a redesign of several additional components to take full advantage of the Pascal GPU. If Microsoft could've dropped a 1060/1070 in there you bet your ass they would've, anything to completely blow the iMac out of the water would be welcome.

>>57254862
They give that shit to grunts. The big executives are retards with their money, and this plays well with Active Directory, so both executives and IT will agree.
This is genius from a money making standpoint.

So the pen is still the same as the SP4 and Surface Book? I was hoping they'd upgrade it because it still only has 1024 levels of pressure sensitivity, while Wacom's pen has 2048. I do wonder how that dial will work out, though.

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-pro

GTX 1080

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade

GTX 1060

No excuse for MS, they're just being silly when other vendors are shipping Pascal in their products

>>57254253
Because the 980m is offered as a performance upgrade, but a 1060 draws less power while performing better at a lower price. Also half the die size.

If "nobody needs" is your whole answer, why do they offer a gpu upgrade in the first place?

>>57254435

A fast processor with multiple cores is a key item because ZBrush is only CPU based. The more powerful, the better

>>57254993
like hell they are, they aren't going to shell out hundreds of thousands to redo 40 employee's worth of computers let alone 200

that mouse is sharp looking imo

>>57255000
>ZBrush is only CPU based
that's for basic functions, not for rendering. I use it, you don't.

Is Wacom Cintiq kill?

>>57254999
I didn't know the size of the 1060
if that is the case, it is a huge fuckup or basically jewness

any brand is the same: NEVER BUY 1.0

the concept is cool, but never buy the first model

>>57255074
the 1060 is like other GTX cards, they're usually between 10.25 and 11.5 inches

>>57254784
It is all about the CUDA cores for graphics programs. It isn't a gaming machine.

>>57255109
>its not a gaming machine
>uses gaming GPU

this thing can totally play games with this shit

>>57255109
Again, stop being a retard and commenting about things you don't understand

>>57255068

this is from their fucking website, no asterisks, nothing to suggest that a GPU does jack shit.

>>57255143
like I said. basic functions. not for when you're rendering

Have you fucks even looked at a Wacom Cintiq

http://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/cintiq-27-qhd-touch#Specifications

This costs 3000 dollars and doesn't have a built in PC

This is 3k and has a built in PC, the display is the touchscreen

it's a fucking steal

>>57255365

pretty much this, if you were already using a product like the Cintiq, you are the target market for the Studio.

99.999% of /g/ is not the target market, or is too poor/cheap to afford it.

>>57255409
>or is too poor/cheap to afford it.
Seriously, this

/g/ doesn't like anything pricy unless it's GPU's

>>57253097
but that market strategy is getting old, even for Apple

>>57251797
>No HDMI port

dropped

>>57251797

Not a gaming computer kek. This is not for the everyday consumer.

>3:2 aspect ratio

This is for artists / designers, since apple doesn't give a fuck about them anymore

Why isn't the computer portion removable so people can upgrade?

>>57257247
>artists / designers
>last gen GPU
dude cuda lmao

>runs Windows
automatically discarded

>>57254662
It's more than a all-in-one.
It's a 28 inch 4K touchscreen with a highend notebook GPU and a whole package of tools for drawing.
It can be tilted to be used as a huge tablet or used as a desktop.

If it was just a regular all-in-one it would have been at least 1000 bucks cheaper.

>>57257565
>highend notebook GPU
the past called. they want their pos gpu back

it's an expensive all-in-one

>>57257584
Asspained macfag detected

>>57257584
Are you a fucking idiot, no all-in-one has a 28 inch touchscreen display.

Which is not a shitty chinese plasticky squeaky meme.

>>57257279

because the target market doesn't upgrade like PCMR bros do. they buy the system, use the system, then buy a new system when they feel their workflow would greatly benefit by getting a newer system. by the time the replacement actually happens its not even worth upgrading piecemeal anyways.

in a more enterprise setting, even the artist systems are on a lifecycle, they aren't whitebox systems that are upgraded piecemeal.

>>57253624
Depends on the drivers but if it's anything like my surface pro 3 I wouldn't hold my breath.

>>57253132
Wacom has consumer trust though, they make a quality product with responsive and accurate drivers and a matte finish. The glass surface studio will be shit to work on.

>>57251797
>over 4000 dollars

what the fuck who would buy this

>>57254369
That's my fetish

>>57253132
Wacom has patents out the ass. All this competition should eat into their market share and drive their monopoly tier prices down somewhere more reasonable, especially the chink shit.
Yiynova are heavily undercutting them and if you can put up with jank like a cheap build quality and weird drivers is very impressive.

>>57257797
Graphic design professionals and rich kids.

>>57254304
It looks so good because they're borrowing heavily from apple's design language.
Breath of fresh air compared to tacky gamershit or autistic lenovo worship.

>>57257797
Rich hipsters, advertising agency bosses, Trump's offspring, saudi princes' kids, big name designers, graphic artists, architects maybe.

>>57257797

not you

It's not a product made for profit first, it's a product made to destroy apple's aura of maker of devices for creatives.
It's made to kill that "applel is for cool and creative ppls" marketing meme.

>>57257920
>make overpriced tablet
>supposed to kill the apple market

even the surface pro does better then this shit

Can you even rest your thumb on this thing while drawing?

>>57252064
>980M is more than enough.
lol

>>57253310
topkek

>>57253552
10,000 x 4000 = 40,000,000
not bad

>>57253616
oh man the days of Lan party back in the 90s.
I do miss em, we put so much effort like helping friends to move their stuff into the house when parents aren't home.

Now ?

" fuck you and you party, play online and ffk for no damn reasons during the middle of the fight. "

>>57255032
this

executives don't even give a shit about their computer, I've been in the large government buildings with the higher ups, some didn't even know how to turn on their computer because they never had to.