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"Linux is safe!", they said.

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"Linux is safe!", they said.
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>>57244446

Your fault for falling for the "security as a product" meme, OP.
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>>57244446
delet this
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>>57244446
>backdoor through IRC
>Linux gets the blame
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"Windows is safe!", they said.
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>>57244628

It's funny how the only way Linux users always respond to these threads is by bringing up the Windows red herring. They never directly address the obvious flaws or criticism of their own operating system. For them, just not being the worst is enough.
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>>57244656
t. pajeet
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>>57244656
This post reeks of "sour grapes"
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>>57244671

Oh, I forgot, there's also le pajit meem XDDDD

>>57244672

Do you even know what that expression means?
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>>57244685
10 poos have been added to your loo account
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>>57244656
no operating system is safe. its not a surprise that someone wrote malware for linux. there will be some form of malware for every operating system.
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>>57244446
>Trusting a publicly traded company to disclose major security flaws,and informing the consumer instead of keeping quite and maintaining stock price
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>>57244446
Linux is safe. The user is always the greatest vulnerability.
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>>57244695
>>57244451
These guys get it. Security is a process, not a product.

>>57244710
So the problem, as always, is capitalism.
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>>57244695
stop trying to reason with shills
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hey
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>>57244694

I know the "pajeet" thing is satire and all, but it stopped being funny a while ago. Now it's just racist. You can stop already.
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>>57244446
this is stupid you have to install the trojan first and which idiot would install an untrusted package

Unless the attacker have physical access to your box this is nothin, its just script kiddie stuff
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>>57244685
>Do you even know what that expression means?
Yes, and your envy is fucking obvious.
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>>57244685
>>57244656
>>57244446

>user-space trojan which require user to execute code/script
>"hurr durr its over, loonix is finished"

>windows backdoor allows you to inject code into ring 0 by pretending to be a network printer
>"herp derp linux users always respond by bringing up the windows red herrring, i'm obviously not a pajeet"
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>>57244807

Sure...

>>57244833

Why do you keep mentioning Windows?

Also, reminder that Linux had a ring 0 vulnerability a couple of days ago.
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DELTE THIS
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>>57244937
Integrated devices using the Linux kernel did, nobody knows how that firmware was written. We're talking about GNU+Linux here
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>>57244741
Not your safe space.
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>>57244993
>I'm gonna keep saying something that's not funny just for the sake of offending people
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>>57244974

It was written originally by Linus Torvalds in 1991.
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>>57244446
>installing malware manually makes your OS less safe
How is this possible!?
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>>57244741
thanks reddit'rakesh patel
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>>57244741
kek poo in loo got his feelings hurt
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>>57245005
I'm not the guy who said it, just sick of all the slow burn SJW shit.
Maybe HE is? what's it matter to you?
stereotypes are not racist they're prejudice.
Meem IS getting a bit stale.
Not worth spending time on this, chances are you don't have any interest in any of it and are just looking to make the world bland ultra PC hugbox.
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>>57245102
>C#
>beautiful and cleanly designed
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Windows sure is safe.
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>don't use IRC
>don't get infected

whoa
wow
that
was
hard
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>>57245148
This is why I use Windows 10 :^)
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>>57244937
>Sure...
I am the same person who made >>57244833 and expanding on it, nigger.

>Why do you keep mentioning Windows?
I replied to your post >>57244656 which is the one bringing up Windows and reeking of sour grapes.

>reminder that Linux had a ring 0 vulnerability a couple of days ago.
"hurr durr windows is bad, but look here, Linux is even worse"

Fucking retard
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>>57245166
Don't worry, micro$ofts spyware makes up for it
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>>57245180
>unironically using the n-word
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>>57244446
this is why I only use irc on my iphone

linuxfags and drumpfts BTFO
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>>57245180
>I made this comment mentioning Windows
>durr no you are the one who brought Windows up
>this comment doesn't exist >>57244628 XDDDD
>if I keep repeating the term "sour grapes", something will happen
>let me talk about Windows again

This post is a clusterfuck.

2/10 for making me reply
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>>57245196
Nigger =! Black man
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>>57245227
>I can't understand english and metaphors from western litterature
We know, pajeet.
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>>57245216
>>57245227

Should be 4/10 for making you reply twice.
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>>57245160

Yeah right, I mean since when are operating systems meant to let you do whatever you want? lol fucking winshills right?
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>>57244741
it will last a good 2-4 more years at least

you still see housefire memes every now and then, and the banana still gets posted on /b/, but not as much
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>>57245237

You are the one who can't apparently, you're the one who keeps using it improperly. You're not sounding smart, you're just embarrassing yourself. Read Aesop.
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>>57245244
I don't understand what you're arguing for or against in this post.
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>>57245251
He's using it 100% correctly you fucking currynigger, your envy of Linux security is fucking obvious in this post: >>57244656
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>>57244628
>this deflection
typical lonix fags
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>>57245267
No retrys
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>>57245267
>he posted it again
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>>57245264
>Linux security
What Linux security?

>>57245254
Same could be said about this >>57245160 one. Could go either way.
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>>57245196
Go home emo.
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>>57245278
>What Linux security?
The user.
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>>57245294

Any system is secure with a proper user, anon. Security is a process, not a product.
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>>57245304
>ring0 code injection by spoofing a network printer that's been around for 20+ years
>any system is secure with a proper user

This is what winfags believe.
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>>57245264
lonix has no security
it's open sores
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>make a thread about a loonix trojan horse that's now out in the wild
>lincück damage control squad make it about windoze
>aaaaaand everybody forgets the trojan horse

Well done.

Reminder that the "Linux security" myth is a total false construction.
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>>57245304
>Any system is secure with a proper user, anon.
Wrong. Windows has had, and probably still has, several vulnerabilities that can be exploited just because the system is on and there is a connection to it (either visible to the Internet or an exploited device on the network).

I think OSX has had some similar exploits. Linux has remarkably few of this nature.
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>>57245324

>vulnerable machine
>spoof printer
>doesn't work
>turns out user was running a firewall blocking port 445 LIKE EVERYBODY SHOULD TO BEGIN WITH
>non-issue

Wow, that was hard.
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>>57245335
>trojan horse
>user-level process that connects to a IRC server and allows the controller to list files and list running processes

wow it's fucking nothing
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>>57245335
>>make a thread about a loonix trojan horse that's now out in the wild and has to be installed manually
Phew, fixed that for you.

Remember, it isn't an exploit. It doesn't exploit any pieces of software or kernel modules or anything. It just software that either you install in an exploited application or comes through some other exploited application, like a browser, to be run on your system.
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>>57245372
>port 445
IPP != SMB

Also, you don't seem to understand how the vulnerability works. Let me break it down to you.

>user or OS initiates a printer discovery by requesting active network printers over IPP
>windows discovers new printers including a spoofed one
>user selects spoofed printer and wants to print
>windows hasn't seen this type of printer before, so it requests printer for driver for it
>"printer" sends "driver"
>???
>now arbitrary code is running in ring 0
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>>57245372
>its not a problem because another application is covering for me!
Because firewall software is also free of exploits amirite?
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>>57245363
>Windows has vulnerabilities
Of course it does. Every system has. That's why system administrators implement protection mechanisms. That's why you have antiviruses and firewalls. That's why you implement mitigations (which Linux doesn't have btw).

>Linux has remarkably few of this nature
How'd you know? Linux has plenty of problems, just they seldom are found because nobody uses it. There is much more incentive to hack Windows instead because it's the de facto standard operating system in the world.
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>>57245429
>just they seldom are found because nobody uses it.
Quite the contrary, 90% of Linux patches are security fixes. This is where open source development excel.

>There is much more incentive to hack Windows instead because it's the de facto standard operating system in the world.
There are Linux systems running on every level on every part of the infrastructure, and you seriously believe there is no incentive to find and exploit vulnerabilities in Linux?

Are you seriously this deluded?

>find windows vulnerability
>troll some home users or MAYBE hijack some business network if it's something that can be distributed across the LAN

>find Linux vulnerability
>you can now take down fucking core routers, 99% of all web servers in the world, and 99% of every industrial automation system
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>>57245421
You are making excuses of why the existance of this malware for Linux isn't a problem either. Only you get to make excuses then?

Lincücks = hypocrites
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>>57244446
This doesn't happen on my MacBook Pro with Retina dispaly
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>>57245429
>Linux doesn't have antivirus and firewalls

You are beyond retarded.

AppArmor and iptables/netfilter
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>>57245335
>Be retarded and boast about a fucking trojan on Linux (i.e something that requires the user to install it rather than using any kind of vulnerability in Linux)
>Try to claim damage control when people point this out
I bet you tell people different brands of car are easy to steal when their owners are careless and leave the keys lying around to be stolen...
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>>57245455
>99% of all web servers in the world
lolno
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>>57245474
AppArmor is more of a policy enforcer, I don't know why you're mentioning it.

iptables it just a packet filter, not a full blown firewall. It does no deep-packet inspection or intrusion prevention.
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>>57244446
WTF man I shall stop using linux now and recommend my company to do absolutely the same!

#ImWithMicrosoft
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>>57245479
>no source of pie chart
Discarded
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>>57245490
>you need to provide source
>I don't
Nice hypocrisy.
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>>57244628
Who sed this?
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>>57245488
>It does no deep-packet inspection
It does exactly that, though.

>intrusion prevention
Meme buzzword for dropping packets

Even a Google search could have told you that.
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>>57245463
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/product_id-156/cvssscoremin-5/cvssscoremax-5.99/Apple-Mac-Os-X.html
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>>57245506
>It does exactly that
You don't know what deep-packet inspection is then.

>intrusion prevention is a buzzword
I'm speechless.
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>>57244446
Safer
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>>57245522

Than what?
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>>57245521
>looking into packet payload and filtering on words in order to enqueue packet in queue that applies machine learning magic on traffic flow
>not deep-packet inspection

Fuck off.
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>>57245532
and by words, i mean strings (which can obviously be anything from clear text to binary data)
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>>57245460
The existence of the malware for Linux isn't a problem because any motherfucker can write this for any fucking system and all it does is become another addition to the virus database.

Like I said, this is not an exploit. It doesn't exploit any software in any way. It is just an application that acts maliciously.
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>>57244656
>just not being the worst is enough
is there something wrong with that?
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>>57245479
>of the top 99 NASDAQ securities by name
Literally the Web Server OS market share of 99 companies when there are millions of websites on the Internet.
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>>57245532

Deep-packet inspection is much more than just mechanically grepping strings from packets.

It's so obvious you don't know jack shit about network security it's painful.
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>>57245558

And according to this guy >>57245455, 99% of them run Linux. But none of you have provided a source for that yet, so just badmouthing my source simply won't cut it. Sorry.
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>>57245574
>Deep-packet inspection is much more than just mechanically grepping strings from packets.
Yes, which is why DO THE REST I FUCKING WROTE IN MY FUCKING POST YOU DUMB NIGGER FUCK

Seriously, you just took the first half of my post and pretend that's the only thing I wrote.
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>>57245589
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Public_servers_on_the_Internet
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>>57245598
>iptables can do DPI because it can filter out some packets mechanically and forward them to suricata or snort which are softwares that do the actual DPI, but let's pretend it's iptables doing it
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>>57245612
>35.9%
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>>57245617
>"Linux doesn't have firewalls"
>"Oh wait, I meant firewalls that do deep packet inspection"
>"Oh wait, I meant firewalls that do deep packet inspection in this arbitrary way I haven't explained yet because I want to dismiss your every post"

Just fuck off already.
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>>57245429
>Windows instead because it's the de facto standard operating system in the world

If your talking about shitty desktop systems owned and operated by all the moms in the world it is.
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>>57245634
>Linux 96.6%
>Windows 1.7%

?
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>>57245652

Whoever said Linux doesn't have firewalls?

I said Linux doesn't have mitigations. See >>57245429

After you made it evident in a series of posts that you haven't a clue about network security and lost all your credibility in the process, all you have left is a cheap shot at mine as well?

Nice try, but you're done.
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>>57245617
just ignore the linux shill, they suffer from a broad range of mental disorders. I stopped arguing with them ages ago. No point.
Just look at this shill >>57245667 can't even read
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>>57245681
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>>57245667
>99% of all web servers in the world
>* if we restrict our sample only to the top 1 million according to Alexa
Nice try. Might've had better luck with an unattentive interlocutor .
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>>57245690
One million is a hell of a lot more than 99 you fucking currynigger.
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>>57245696
10 million is even more though. Did you even read your own source?
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>>57245671
Admitting defeat already? Naww, that's too bad. I was having so much fun destroying your ass.
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>>57245696
>get caught hand in jar
>automatically calls others niggers
Every fucking time.
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>>57245696
But it's also a lot less than the 10million W3Techs checks.
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>>57245702
They used two completely different techniques, asswipe. And even so, WINDOWS IS STILL NOT THE PREDOMINANTLY USED WEB SERVER OS
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>>57245710

Started writing fanfiction now?

Anyone can scroll up and read the thread, you know.
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who uses irc
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>>57244446
>IRC in 2016
>IRC in 2016 with root privilege
LMFAO
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>>57245702
>>57245718
>W3Techs checked the top ten million web servers daily from June 2013, but W3Techs's definition of "website" differs a bit from Alexa's definition; the "top 10 million" websites are actually fewer than 10 million. W3Techs claims that these differences "have no statistical significance"

>IT'S 10 MILLIONS
>actually, it's a lot less
>IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
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>>57245728
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>>57245733
>Anyone can scroll up and read the thread, you know.
Yes. I'm sure you're glad you're posing anonymously now.
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>>57245753
Glad for you.
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>>57245745
>>actually, it's a lot less
There's no indication how much less it actually is, you just used "a lot" with no basis.

>W3Techs claims that these differences "have no statistical significance"
And they could be completely right. After all, they are the ones gathering the data, not you.
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>>57245756
You didn't even know you could do deep packet inspection on Linux faglord.
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>>57245745

So now you've gotten to the point of trying to discredit your very own source?

Wow, literally grasping at straws at this point.

One way or another, there's yet another survey in there debunking the fanciful "durr 99%" figure, namely Security Space's.

So yeah, you're still pretty fucked.
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>>57245771
See >>57245689


And they also say that that 54.9% of UNIX is Linuxes, and that the unknown 44% could very well be Linux too

https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-unix/all/all
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>>57245772

I not only did know, I've done it multiple times.

That's how I could correct you.

Anyway, just stop embarrassing yourself already, it's getting ugly...
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>>57245671
>mitigations
https://insights.sei.cmu.edu/cert/2014/02/-taking-control-of-linux-exploit-mitigations.html
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>>57245782
>So now you've gotten to the point of trying to discredit your very own source?
Yes, because there's only one person in this thread that disagrees with your delusion that Windows is the dominant web server platform.

Seriously, do all Pajeets have mental illnesses like you?
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>>57245806
>le pajiit XDDD
You might think you sound clever when you say that, but in the real world you just sound frustrated and racist.
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>>57245797
>I not only did know, I've done it multiple times.
Coming from the same guy who is unaware that 90% of Linux patches are security fixes and that Linux have both antivirus and firewalls.

It's okay, you lost. No need to further make a fool of yourself.
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>>57245825
Says the guy trying to save after an argument with a bunch of strangers on a taiwanese tapestry forum.....
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>>57245831

So now you're just making up stuff about me to try to make me look bad?

I didn't have to make stuff up about you. I just used what you said yourself.

You made yourself look bad.
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>>57245861
>So now you're just making up stuff about me to try to make me look bad?
I don't have to make up stuff, mate, it's right there in your post for everyone to see and read.

>I didn't have to make stuff up about you. I just used what you said yourself.
You quoted half my post and pretended it was my entire post....
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Better tell NYSE and LSE to get their shit together. Apparently not even our financial institutions know that Windows has the majority share in servers.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/238068/how_linux_mastered_wall_street.html

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2467082/data-center/london-stock-exchange-to-abandon-failed-windows-platform.html
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>>57245789
>Unix is used by 66.5% of all the websites whose operating system we know.
>This diagram shows the percentages of websites using various subcategories of Unix.
>How to read the diagram:
>Linux is used by 54.9% of all the websites who use Unix.

That's 54.9% of the 66.5%, so the unknown 44% is also part of the 66.5% you mormon.
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>>57245877

>it's right there in your post for everyone to see and read
Should be easy to pinpoint where then. I'll wait.

>You quoted half my post and pretended it was my entire post...
I quoted the relevant part. You tried to save yourself from the false claim that iptables could do DPI by pointing out that you can use it with other software that does the actual DPI. Doesn't take a network security expert to see how retarded that was.
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>>57245883

OK ;^P

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2467824/windows-pcs/idc--windows-dominates-linux-in-servers--not-just-the-desktop.html

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2469469/network-software/windows-widens-lead-over-linux-in-the-server-market.html
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>>57245512
>not one above 6
the MacBook Pro with Retina display is secure
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Dear 57244628,
Linux is shit.
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>>57245893
>yfw lincücks can't even do math and just add percentages together cluelessly to reach the conclusion that Linux has over 100% marketshare! XDDDDDDD
lmao
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>>57245900
>Should be easy to pinpoint where then. I'll wait.
>>57245429

>I quoted the relevant part. You tried to save yourself from the false claim that iptables could do DPI by pointing out that you can use it with other software that does the actual DPI.
What "other software" are you referring to. netfilter can enqueue packets in different queues, yes, but the necessary software to identify different applications based on flows are shipped with a fucking vanilla Linux distro

Yes, it's actually part of a loadable kernel module that ships with a vanilla kernel.

Come on, all this information is freely available if you just bothered too google "deep packet inspection with iptables"....
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>>57245923
>54.9 + 44 > 100

Are you retarded?
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>>57245893
>That's 54.9% of the 66.5%, so the unknown 44% is also part of the 66.5% you mormon.
Uh, yes? That was my point. I'm saying that 66.5% of all web servers are NOT Windows.

I don't know where this 99% number came from, I'm not the one who said it.
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>>57245906
>On premises servers
>Includes the servers necessary to run a corporate Windows environment and which are obviously exclusive to Microsoft due to the closed nature of Windows
Nice cherry picking there famfam because that's like saying that Ford is the market leader in spare parts for Fords.
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>>57245906
>on-premise servers
>2016

Say after me: CLOUD COMPUTING
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>>57245928

Sure, where does it say Linux doesn't have antiviruses and firewalls in there?

>What "other software" are you referring to.
Can't you read? See >>57245617. There's suricata, there's snort. Could've also mentioned sagan.
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>>57245906
>on-premise servers
>web servers
Those are two different things. Web servers typically have 99% uptime and are hosted on multiple CDNs

On-premise servers are typically what your bearded one-man-IT-team use to store his manga porn and administrate 15 computers in a AD setup.
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>>57245196

Back to >>>/reddit/, nigger.
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>>57245938
Someone didn't get the joke...
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>>57245954

Say after me: Azure.
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>>57245986
Say after me: Amazon

Also related:
http://news.microsoft.com/bythenumbers/azure-virtual
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>>57245948
That's irrelevant though.

The argument isn't/wasn't that Windows dominates over Linux for web servers, but rather that 99% of websites run on Linux.

Some other things that need bearing in mind as well, though, is that a lot of websites run on shared hosting, and while the software the web server is running on is often Linux it is very often being run in VMs on Windows Servers.

So there could be debate there as to which you you designate as being the server.
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>>57244446
>installing software from sources that haven't been audited

Linux is safe. Using repositories and packages not prepared by sources that do thorough auditing isn't. Big difference. If you were stupid enough to install a package containing a backdoor, you get what you deserve.
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>>57245949

>corporations are using windows because corporations are using windows

You sound so frustrated.

>>57245972

Web servers don't usually do anything mission-critical or store sensitive data. They're just a front-end.

And on-premise servers are more important than you make them out to be.
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>>57246002
>The argument isn't/wasn't that Windows dominates over Linux for web servers
It clearly is, because anon made a huge fuss about how Linux doesn't have security updates because "nobody uses it".

>Linux it is very often being run in VMs on Windows Servers.
Although true for Azure, the opposite is more often the case (see Amazon).
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>>57246005

>Linux is super safe as long as you use it in this sterilized environment and never do anything real in it

So much for your freedom...
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>>57244446
They'll fix this in a couple of hours, no problem.
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>Linux is used predominantly on servers, infrastructure, embedded, industrial systems etc
>/g/ is still hung up about how Roger from accounting needing Microsoft Excel to do his job means that Microsoft Windows is mission critical for the entire business and industrial world

Every fucking time
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>>57246054
See >>57244656
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>>57244446
Holy crap a backdoor in an obscure irc program that literally no one uses!
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>>57246024

>Using repositories = sterilised environment

You have no idea what he is talking about do you?
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>>57246054
>shellcode
>shellcode
>shell
>shellcode
>shellcode
>privilege esalation
>arbitrary memory read
?privilege escalation

God damn it, NT why u so insecure?
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>>57246080

You're right, what was I thinking! Who needs third-party software, right?
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>>57246065

I'm not a huge Linux user. I use Windows as my main OS but Linux is for my cloud server.

I posted that because why fucking not nigguh
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>>57246065
See the rest of the thread, also dem sour grapes.

>this triggers the pajeet
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>>57246098
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>57245005
Where do you think you are?

Gbttumblr Pajeet
>>
What's the point of this shitpost? >>57246098
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>>57244656
No, a couple arch morons post BUT WINDERS arguments, or non-arguments as the case may be.

Actual GNU/Linux users that don't have to constantly go into damage control mode to defend something like the AUR, where shit like this backdoor could thrive, realize that malware happens. It happens more for Windows because the market share is greater, but that doesn't make GNU/Linux somehow invulnerable.

The thing is, all GNU/Linux machines have the potential to be twice as insecure as Windows. It comes down to the user, and the distribution. Large distros like ubuntu and fedora have massive money behind them with security teams to keep them as secure as they can, but even then it's up to the user to research what they're installing and not enable whole repositories of unaudited, user created packages because it's easier than installing the audited, safe(r) software manually. Your OS is only as secure as you make it.
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>>57245196
>unironically being a nigger
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>>57246091

You can download third-party software, obviously don't download programmes which demands root access to use some IRC barely anybody has ever heard of. Just like in Windows, where you can download third-party software. But nobody complains that there is no third-party support for Windows when they download freenovirusmp3file.exe, right?
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>>57246009
Nope, just thoroughly unimpressed:

>Thinks corporations using Windows servers is somehow a sign of Windows servers being any good when they have to do it because of Microsoft's vendor lock-in
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>>57245166
it was released not long ago so what are you expecting
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>>57246119
>Actual GNU/Linux users that don't have to constantly go into damage control mode.
You can't do damage control for something you don't have, a positive public image
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>>57246112
>it's a shitpost because the irony of the original post escapes me

No need to spell out that you're retarded, it's already obvious
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>>57246024
>implying that's what I said

Shit like the AUR and adding random PPAs on ubuntu = bad.

Not being a lazy fuck and installing the packages from source, auditing them yourself or getting them from a source that audits them = good.

You can install anything you damn well please, but if you're lazy and backdoor yourself because you didn't want to compile it yourself, it's your own damn fault.
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>>57246065
>>57244656

Let's just outweigh this for you.
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>>57246119
Talking about trojans as a real security concern is completely stupid. There's nothing an OS itself can do about dumb users installing malware on their machines short of what Apple is doing with Gatekeeper.

Anyone who thinks that trojans existing on a platform is somehow a sign of said platform is unsecure is ether clueless, stupid or trolling. It's that simple.
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>>57246175
Thank you. That's exactly what I was trying to say, just a lot less verbose.
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>>57246119
>It happens more for Windows because the market share is greater
it happens more for windows proportionally because the OS itself has no secure mechanism for installing software. none. zero mechanism for curation either, which alone would stop the majority of malware.

the AUR argument is a solid one but so long as you stick to your distro's repos (which, for the big ones at least, should include 99% of the shit normalfags need) you're extremely unlikely to get infected. I can think of one occurrence of this, when Mint's website was hacked and one of their install images shipped with malware.

for instance, android users are just as numerous and clueless yet they don't get infected nearly as often. and the OS isn't a walled garden either. this is because nearly all of them get software directly from the play store, where crapware is voted down and malware is outright banned when it's found out.

tl;dr the popularity argument is shit.
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>>57246196
>it happens more for windows proportionally because the OS itself has no secure mechanism for installing software. none. zero mechanism for curation either, which alone would stop the majority of malware.
Don't say this against Microsoft. Installing ancient stuff on windows is a real pain the ass right know and i don't want to get it any harder.
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>>57246175
This is what a Linux user in maximum damage control mode looks like

Doublekek
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>>57246219
>Try to make a point, but be retarded and point is shit
>People point this out to you
>Hurr durr... Damage controll!!1
I wish /v/ would just leave...
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>>57246219
If this were a you laugh you lose thread....
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>>57246175
Yet another reason to purchase the new Apple MacBook Pro with Retina Display.
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>>57246244
macOS has no games
>>
>>57246244
>implying macbooks aren't the first to fall in every pwn2own competition
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>>57246244

You fucking trigger me.
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>>57246256
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>>57245825
Fuck off nigger.

Go back to the "real world" that you love so much, Pajeet.
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>>57246129

>they have to do it because of Microsoft's vendor lock-in

That's not true, they have freedom. No one's forcing them to use Windows, they could choose other operating systems. There are alternatives.
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>>57246237

>muh loonix doesn't have video games, so I'll just censure them!

Now THIS is sour grapes!

Where's the sour grapes guy?
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>>57246256
>implying implied implications implying implications thusly implied

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Macintosh_games?wprov=sfla1
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>>57244446
yeah just download the trojan

you're welcome feel free to spread this advice to others
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>>57245965
No Pajeet, you're fucking done.

> >Linux has remarkably few of this nature
> How'd you know? Linux has plenty of problems, just they seldom are found because nobody uses it. There is much more incentive to hack Windows instead because it's the de facto standard operating system in the world.

He wasn't lying.
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>>57245148
>combining all OSX versions
>splitting all Windows versions
Fuck off
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>>57246370
>combining all Windows vulns, even IE ones
>showing only Linux kernel ones in comparison, not glibc, systemd, etc...
Pot and kettle, nigga.
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>>57246403

Edgy.
>>
>>57246391
glibc and systemd are not parts of linux
IE is a part of windows
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>>57246305
As I said, Microsoft has made sure that if a company uses windows on the desktop, they have to have a windows server back end to support it. With windows having a stranglehold on the desktop market it's really no wonder they have a market share that high in servers required to support them.

>>57246327
>Make retarded point about security
>Have it pointed out
>Be called out for being a retarded /v/ tard
>Start going on about games
Well I guess that's one way to confirm that you really are a /v/ tard and don't belong here...
>>
>>57246412

They sure as hell seem to be everytime it's time to "interject" to people.
>>
>>57246409
Racism is wrong folks. If you're a racist you are Hitler
>>
>>57245414
this but you forget that most of the "user does something" steps are done automatically by the OS, as well as windows automatically installs "drivers" to just connected devices (unless they don't have a proper certificate)
>>
>>57246418

Why do you call it stranglehold? Do you call Linux's dominance of the supercomputer market a stranglehold too?

Again, companies are free to choose any operating systems for either their desktops or servers. They deliberately choose Windows because it is better.
>>
>>57246422
nobody who posts that is being serious
>>
>>57244656
Linux has 1 backdoor, windows has 1000, sorry kid, checkmate
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>>57246391
> nigga
Get out nigger.

>>57246409
> Edgy.
That isn't edgy in the slightest, pajeet.

>>57246424
HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG
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>>57246370
>combining all Ubuntu versions + all software availble on ubuntu
>splitting separate windows versions with absolutely basic install
the ride never ends senpai
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>>57246499

BECAUSE

NOBODY

CARES

ABOUT

IT
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>>57246574

Then that proves your security, data and privacy is something you don't care about.

Fucking sonic bumfuck dickmuggler
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>>57246574
at least you can admit you're a nobody.
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>>57246574
>>
>>57246650
What the hell was he even trying?
>>
>>57244446
>update not implemented
what kind of shitty script kiddie wrote that irc bot.
>>
>>57245196
inb4 LOL I TROLE U
inb4 it was all a ruse
inb4 I was just pretending to be retarded
>>
>>57246650
>a

I don't even know man. I just related it to >>57246574 because I don't even know what he's trying.
>>
>>57246828

Fucking referred to myself. Ment to refer to >>57246726 at the start. Fucking retard me.
>>
>operating system has a security issue
wow wtf i hate linux now
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>>57245738
i do
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>massive worldwide botnet brings entire internet down for a whole day
>not a single node in the botnet was a Windows machine
>not a single server affected by the attack was running Windows
>"DURR WINBLOWS IS THE MOST INSECURE OS LOLOLOL"

Hmmm....
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>>57244656
>lanoox
>vulnerability is discovered and publicly announced
>vulnerability gets promptly fixed

>wangblows
>vulnerability discovered
>wait for the next update batch
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>>57246574
Butthurt loser detected.
>>
>>57249387

Wow, someone is mad that Linux is too irrelevant for hackers to bother trying to find holes in it...
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>>57249216
Has more to do with manufactures leaving default username and password on the IoT devices that never get firmware updates
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>>57244695
Probably Linux malware is picking up with all those single board computers out there.
>>
>hack into Linux
>gain access to half a dozen of neckbeards
>hack into Windows
>gain access to billions of users everywhere

Gee, I wonder why Windows has more viruses and vulnerabilities than Linux...
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>>57249544
>hack into operating system
>gain access to users
hurr
>>
>all these people thinking it's an IRC exploit

The Trojan merely uses IRC as a command and control channel for the botnet, you using IRC or not is completely irrelevant.
>>
See security risk for linux article.
Read up on it.
[1] It's already patched.
[2] It's actually a windows vulnerability that creates a botnet army that can take a linux server offline. Gets listed as "effects windows and linux" by fud happy anti-virus vendor.
[3] It's shit like this
After a while you see "linux security hole" stories and just keep scrolling.
pls stop crying wolf.
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>>57249695
>expecting loonix users not to be dumbasses
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>>57249695
This, and look at the list of commands the Trojan accepts,
>he can see your computer's specs
>he can see the processes you're running
>he can turn off the trojan

gee biggest security threat 2016 linux is dead build a wall hillary did 9/11 the jews are behind the downfall of western civilization
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>>57249695
what is the "exploit" here exactly?

if I write a script that does "sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /" and you run it, does that mean linux is the problem?
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>>57246091
A big company isn't going to distribute this. But hey, you don't need to trust them.

Just run their software on an unprivileged account (or even in a docker container or such).

It won't have access to more than it should need to, including files to access/delete. Ya, it's easy to manage that reasonably well, your package manager almost certainly does create such accounts by default for web stuff and many other servers, anyhow.
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>>57246463
>Why do you call it stranglehold?
For the simple reason that it's very much related to availability of Microsoft software like Office, which is only available on Windows and OSX, but not on Linux. As for supercomputing none of it is really vendor bound as most supercomputing software is open source and unlike Office, it can be adapted to pretty much any platform the customer wants to.

As I said, if they use Office they have to use Windows or OSX on the desktop and if they use Windows on the desktop they have to have a Windows server backend to support it.
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>>57250444
> as most supercomputing software is open source
It *became* such mostly because of Linux' fairly strongly copyleft user base and the kernel parts of supercomputer projects legally requiring to do that for compliance reasons anyhow (even if more of supercomputing has moved back into user space again).
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>>57244695
>no operating system is safe
Thanks to the missing network stack TempleOS' remote vulnerabilities are ZERO. :))
>>57244695
I wonder if selinux or apparmour can stop this bot. It's good for prepackaged distros, mabe next Mint release will include it. :^)))
>>57244782
>You are the 1000000th visitor. Here is your prize.

>>57245114
Fuck EPAM, but for desktop it's pretty good and it can be crossplatform.
>>57245378
It can do some shit with the user's files, but not too elegant.
>>57245906
Even ballmer admitted lunix have more share on server side. Shitty b8.
>>57246024
debian have mitigation system.
>>57249721
>implying you can't port it to any other system
>still calling names the others
>mexican kek

I can't use it at work as the vmware clean out every modifications even an rm -rf /* can't do much harm.
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>>57250444

>is only available on Windows and OSX
So there's at least OS X as a choice. But there's other Office suites around. Microsoft's is just superior.

>most supercomputing software is open source and unlike Office, it can be adapted to pretty much any platform the customer wants to
There are open source alternatives to Microsoft Office too.

>if they use Office they have to use Windows or OSX on the desktop and if they use Windows on the desktop they have to have a Windows server backend to support it
But they don't have to use Office and they don't have to use Windows. No one is forcing them.
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>>57244446
>12 contributors for this project.
>No mention of how many of them work for Dr. Web.
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