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>>57243802

>>57242786

>>57243802
>considering the fx line at all current year
just intel all the way until amd gets their shit together, zen maybe
MAYBE

>>57243932
I think the 8350 still has it's uses for a cheap $500 build on an 'enthusiast platform' but when it comes to new tech like usb 3.1, M.2 drives, it's Intel all the way, those stupid 990FX boards the likes of asus and gigabyte are making with M.2 and usb 3.1 are absolutely retarded because anyone dropping the cash on an M.2 drive can afford intel anyway.

>>57243951
This.
I build PCs for people and the only time I specced AMD in the last 5 years was for a poverty build

AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

>>57243951
Whats the point? just spend a little more on an intel CPU which is more powerful, but uses less energy.
It'll be paying itself after a few bills.

>Inb4 shill
I used to love AMD (specially those juicy Phenom II), but they really need to get their shit together, neither their CPU or GPU are decent nowadays.

>>57244067
I feel you, AMD FX has never really been impressive these past several years, its just a 32nm Phenom shrink with 8 cores and 4GHz.

>>57243802
>tfw built my brother an i76700k, 64gb, dual 1080s beast and inherited his fx-8350, 24gb, HD7900 for ~250

Did I do well? I'm a broke student, but it encodes x264 really well, at least compared to the quad-core I had

>>57244094
Abhorrently incorrect

>>57244146
Hell yeah you did, HD7900 series is a console killer and it's still good today.

>>57244067

What's wrong with their gpus? They're good just not high end

>>57244156
He was happy to part with it, and I can now encode video at 8-12fps, as opposed to 1-2 on the old processor. Got a nice gigabyte mobo with it too.

Some Pajeet near me bought a Corsair 750D and found it too big for his desk, so I bought it for something like 50% basically brand new, and now I got a decent rig going.

>>57244159
Incorrect. They're high end, but not enthusiast tier any longer.
The Fury series and even the 390x are still very good cards, but they've been outpaced in the enthusiast grade by Nvidia's latest offerings.
Trouble is, AMD knew that they didn't want to compete with everything at once and took their chances with the lower end of the market.
Yes, most sales are made there, but the trouble is by completely ignoring the higher end of the market, they've lost everyone who wanted to upgrade to something much more powerful. Meanwhile, they've also lost on the ability to price war with Nvidia, because its easier to price an item down a tier than it is to convince people to pay more for it (unless it has no competitor, which is why Nvidia is getting away with murder right now).

I sincerely hope AMD never make this mistake again.
They wanted to grab the lower end of the market, and from what I'm told they HAVE made a small impact by doing that, but they've also made a huge impact on their reputation, by letting Nvidia not just go "hah, our stuff is 2 - 5fps better!" like in the past, but outright saying "if you want the real experience, you HAVE to come to us!"

>>57244196
>tfw still waiting for 490

>>57244208
I know that feel. I've got a Fury X and I love it, but I also would love to see the improvements that might be made.
I doubt Vega will be enough for me, I'd have to get a custom block + the new card, so its doubtful it'll be worth the jump, but if Vega improves decently, perhaps Navi will be the final upgrade to my computer.

MSI Motherboards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zTzpYjQ2MM

>>57244237
Holy shit, that's insane, assuming it's real.

>>57244263

Some MSI boards are famous for exploding VRMs

>>57244269
Well it's a good thing i got a Gigabyte 990fx with VRM made to handle the 4.7Ghz of a 9590 for my build.

>>57244263
>>57244237
looks like the vrms couldnt handle the 200 watts.

The Intel equivalent of an FX-8300 still costs $289
.
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Processor-LGA2011-3-E5-2609V3-BX80644E52609V3/dp/B00MVNH0ZW

>>57243932
the future is high bandwidth, many cores

as always, intel owns the present. but the future, for which they have always truly worked, is AMD's

FX will still be relevant in 4 years, when skylake is dead and buried

>>57244196
there is absolutely nothing that will require a 1080, fury is fine. if you spent money on anything above 1070, you got memed on

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>>57244292
That Xeon is slower than even the FX-6300. Intel just can't compare in value.

>>57244146
>64gb
lfmao what a retard

>>57244311
That's why the FX-8350 is gonna be sweet for my Vegas Pro editing rig, it's just so sweet for the money.

>>57244313
He has the money to spend, and ignored me when I said he didn't need that much. He watches youtube/twitch and plays GO lmao.

>>57244318
make sure to get the wraith edition because the ancient athlon cooler literally can't handle 4ghz

>>57244167
if you use non-placebo settings you can easily get that up to 20-30 fps

>>57244326
I'm gonna buy the regular 8350 and use a cooler master hyper TX3, gonna see how fast the CPU will go on stock voltage while being stable enough to handle a 100% load and use that.

>>57244292
depends, in muh gaming intel equivalent is an i3-6100

>>57244337
I do use placebo, mainly because I'm an autist and internal at HDB, so quality is everything.

I haven't really tested the difference though, I probably should if it saves me some time.

>>57244325
You could have built him a beastly dual-xeon workstation with 128 GB of ECC RAM for less

>>57244339
TX3 is not a 125w cooler

wraith is great, really, use that

>>57244362
Honestly, I think we briefly looked at the Xeons, but he basically said he wanted an i7 with a 1080. I think he's been browsing pcmr or something. I talked him down from getting 2 1080s, to just getting one and waiting. Because I know he'll NEVER need that power. He can play 4k ultra, easily.

>>57244376
Alright i'll consider buying it, all I have right now is this sweet ass 990FX-UD3 board because poor, I cuddle the box until I can get more stuff.

>>57244400
it's a really nice board, actually

>>57244405
>Matte black pcb
>high end chipet
>not some gamer shit
I love it to pieces.

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>>57243951
>>57244067
>>57243932
>>57243802
>tfw still have an fx 8350, and two r9 290s

z-zen will be great!

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>>57244453
I'm re-using an XFX HD7750 in my 8350 build, so I shouldn't see a bottleneck ever.

>>57244475
how the fuck is that even attached I don't see the pcie slot

>>57244294
that's the problem, AMDs L3 cache has shit bandwidth

>>57244475
My gf has a 290x and fx 4300 and ran witcher 3 fine

>>57244495
but their system bus and memory channels are wider, which is the bigger bottleneck

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>>57244490
Oh it's in there.

>>57244507
spotted the optiplex

>>57244773
Hell yeah I love this thing, but it's getting too old for modern games, 30% GPU usage with 100% cpu usage.

>>57244786
I play FO4 with an upgraded 755.

>C2Q Q9400
>D6570
45+ fps on low
30-35fps on med
20-30ish fps on high

>>57244800
>D6570
should read HD6570

>>57244800
>tfw i cant mod my SFF with big cards because its a SFF and has no ventiliation anyways.

It makes a good simple server i guess.

>>57244806
The 755 with the 1333 bus is actually a beast, and I thought about getting one with a Q9650, but ended up just building an FX8350 machine if i'm gonna use something 'old', plus I can play around in the bios and OC it.

>>57244816
does the SFF not have that beastly fan in the front casing too?

>>57244824
mine came with a C2D E4500. I was looking for the Q9650 but a 9400 came up on a local swap site for 10$ and I couldn't pass it up. simple swap, little modding, fans are dead silent, even during heavy gaymen load

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>>57244844
The minitower optipelxes are beasts in general with cooling if you routinely clean the dust of the front, my card maxes out at 66C and the cpu maxes out at 47C. I have no other fans. in it.

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>>57244844
SFF is the 2nd smallest one. Even if it had a beast fan you coudnt put anything worthwhile in there. I remember having fallout 3 cause the $10 HD5450 i had in there to go at 90c often.

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>>57244896
inside

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>>57243802

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>>57244896
>HD5450
>90C
I don't know what is is this those little itty bitty low powered cards running so hot, I had a GT 610 in my optiplex in 2014 and that thing got to 84C while lagging in games

>>57244911
>what is is
what it is*

>>57244094

The Phenom actually has higher IPC than the FX series. Only AMD can become slower with the next generation.

>>57244923
It's a huge step backwards, because even though the chip is faster overall, the core performance suffers because the 8 cores are bottlenecked by the four FPUs

>>57243802

Couldn't care less about power consumption. I'm only interested in FPS/USD ratio.

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>>57244958
>Ponk
I own it's Dell counterpart, the latitude E6400, goes great with my Optiplex.

>>57244940
You need to take power consumption into consideration if you want a x/USD ratio. But you probably live with your parents and don't pay the bills.

>>57244958
Pinkie is worst pony. Join the dashfags.

>>57244325
Nothing wrong with spending lots of money for small increases in performance, but on something that is 100% useless? That's idiotic. Either way, his choice.

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>>57243802
>220W TDP

>>57244911
Maybe because it didnt have a fan. I have a quadro 400 in there now for literally no reason but i can and its not going over 70c while running furmark

>>57244958
I thought it was going to be the mini tower when i bought it because the guy had no pics. It was the cheapest newest optiplex on CL though so i got it. Now, its just used for backups and seeding.

>>57245013
>dash
>willingly dealing with someone with that much ego

>>57245034
The best part is breaking her ego by forcing her to submit.

>>57245057
I think she's a little girly girl inside.

and dis bullshit right here

this is why i am going intel for the first time ever cauise i already know zen will be the same story and probably kill AMD so im getting intel while its still not completely insanly priced

>>57245083
You never know Anon, zen could be a beast and set up AMD for the next 5 years even 990FX was awesome when it came out, had stuff P67 didn't have like 6 sata 3 ports, USB 3 headers.

>>57244475
Every single system that exists has a bottleneck. It's a balancing act you mong. The weakest point in the system WILL bottleneck it.

>>57245112
We're on /v/ where every performance metric related to proprietary video games and all hardware is judged by its ability to run games.

>>57245083
I dunno man, a 40% IPC improvement sounds like a huge improvement over AMD's current processors. I'm hoping Intel does something to their i5 or i7 pricing when Zen launches. I'll probably just get whatever's cheaper, and it's probably going to be Zen.

>>57245106
it doesnt matter i already have the 6700k sitting waiting to be installed

>>57245121
Done deal.

>>57245112
Uhh yeah, I am aware of this. I'd rather have my bottlenecked by the GPU than the CPU.

>>57244237
The fan was idle, dont try to tell me that idiot didn't fuck something else up too...

>>57245004

On average this difference is really small. You're not running CPU at 100% all the time and on lower loads and idle there's very little difference between cpus.

>>57244237
>>57244263
>>57244282
>>57245152
The motherboard manual and box explicitly state a maximum TDP in BOLD LETTERS.
They're just illiterates.

>>57243951
>usb 3.1, M.2 drives
Asus just released the AM3+ Sabertooth R3.0 board, with M.2 and USB3.1 C

>>57243951
>anyone dropping the cash on an M.2 drive can afford intel anyway.
But maybe they don't WANT to pay for an Intel CPU.

>>57244294
>there is absolutely nothing that will require a 1080
Are you actually fucking autistic?

>>57243951
>enthusiast
>amd
That's like a sommelier that only drinks wine coolers.

>>57245199
>I prefer to spend my money on things that aren't as good, objectively speaking
You never go full retard.

>>57245213
AMD is the only option for Free Software enthusiast workstations.
http://www.libreboot.org/docs/hcl/index.html#supported_list

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Genuinely difficult to think of a worse GPU by a mainstream company than the Nvidia GeForce FX 5800.

It was so ridiculously loud that Nvidia THEMSELVES made an (internal) video making fun of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVjZqC1AE4

On top of that, it was more expensive than the ATi Radeon 9700 Pro, had significantly lower performance, and came out OVER 6 MONTHS LATER.

Second place for shitty tech by a mainstream company would have to go to very first iteration of the Pentium 4 Prescott on the 478 socket. It got so hot it would throttle under normal load conditions, and it performed worse than the previous generous Pentium 4 in everything except in some SSE3 applications.

>>57245222
Latest Intel CPU that doesn't require non-free software: circa 2008 Core 2
Latest AMD CPU that doesn't require non-free software: circa 2012 Opteron

AMD 1
Intel 0

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>>57245229
kek

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>>57245255
>video games are more important than freedom
Millennial /g/

>>57245261
I feel ya anon...

>>57245261
Freedom doesn't matter when you can't do anything with it.

>>57245239
See I was joking with the full retard thing but it looks like you're genuinely autistic.

I am sorry for picking on you now, enjoy your memes friend.

>>57244292
>>57244311
>>57244318
Are you dumb or using some unique different metrics?

8350 costs about $150 usd. A single i5 6400 is stronger than that. Thats at 2.9 Ghz clock. With OC (yes nonK can OC with right mobo) you can hit that to 4.4 Ghz easy. Making it nearly twice as powerful.

>>57245307
>What are multithreaded applications

>>57245207
are you? the only thing 1080 even comes under load with is 8k crysis 3, completely unrealistic load for any sensible desktop setup

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>>57245307
>Xeon E7-8890 v4 cost fucking 7 THOUSAND DOLLARS. A single Phenom II X2 is stronger than that (20$ at the most). And that's at half the TDP, too.

Wow who fucking knew? It's almost as if newer tech, specifically focused on single core performance outperforms 4 years older one, focused on multi-threaded loads. Holy shit.

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>>57245307
?

>>57245261
>libreboot
>freedom
pick one

>>57245417
This is /v/
only video game benchmarks count

>>57245417
offset by having better QC mixed and SC mixed

>>57245307
A i5 6400 doesn't have ECC support like the FX 8350 so it's useless for all real work.

>>57245527
how is it offset? the total speed of the slower 8 cores is more than the total speed of the faster 4 cores

for rendering which scales well, that's pretty clear cut

>>57245530
>FX 8350 supporting ECC
Are you fuckin serious, bro? that thing's a beast if true.

>>57245542
All FX CPUs support ECC and IOMMU.

>>57245551
Well this is just fucking sweet.

>>57245569
Too bad it doesn't make proprietary video games faster which is all this board is about.

>>57245577
I'm mainly editing video and will use 1866 non ecc, but it's awesome that you can really have it all with 990fx, such as an opteron with ecc and raided hard drives as a server, or a dual GPU gaming rig. intel's "X" enthusiast platforms cost a shitload to get into compared to 990fx which is pretty capable for most users.

>>57245569
>>57245551
It's very suitable for servers/homelabs.

pic related.
it's expensive as fuck, needs more power than my whole current system uses and has a AIO as a stock cooler because it's extremely hot.

I don't understand why I want it so bad.

>>57245675
Because everything you just said, is fucking awesome.

So I have an 8350 build and a friens that moved gave me his 4690k computer. Gonna change my main now but I still have the 8350.what do with it?

>>57246035
Either keep it as a badass spare computer or underclock and undervolt it and use it as a low power 8 core fileserver.

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>>57243802
>Tfw still using Phenom II X4 955
it just werks.

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>>57243802

>>57243802
Xiaomi Mi Mix

Chin cam
IPS screen
5MP front
Lacks some LTE bands
1080p

>>57249290
Forgot something,

software keys, non-expandable and non- removable battery (can't force turnoff)

>>57243802
PNY SSDs
The controllers are designed to fail after a year and a half. They go from SATA III write speeds to 2MB/s.

>>57244318
a $70 E5-2670 is even better

>>57249871
X79 was an awesome platform but those boards cost a fuck ton, they're very big, and I don't need all that.

>>57244294
I play at 2560x1440 up to 144hz with Freesync.
Playing something like Fallout 4 with most settings on max, I hit 70fps average.
Yes, 70 is absolutely fine, but it can and will dip to 30 at times/in certain areas.
My monitor doesn't support lower than 40 for Freesync and even if it did, you can still tell the difference in 40, 50 and 60fps. It's just much nicer with Freesync, but its still noticeable.
So yes, there is still plenty of room for improvement if you REALLY want to push things.
Going for 4k is stupid right now because there's no tech that can reliably push it. But 2560x1440?

>>57243932
>tfw my friend had a 4460
>installed one of those crappy cheap 120mm antec CLCs
>PC problems
>says CPU is overheating in the BIOS
>talk to him few weeks later says he bought an 8350 to replace it with

I've got his old 4460 and mobo and I'm going to do some work on it tonight but I'm pretty sure he's just retarded and installed the cooler wrong.

He says he reseated it but I bet if I try the intel stock cooler it'll work fine.

>>57252532
If the based 8350 worked for him, it's probably the TIM on that haswell 4460, which is often garbage and will cause way higher temps even on a big ass cooler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXs0I5kuoX4

>>57244294
Delusional amd fangay detected

>>57252464
fallout 4 is shit, it won't run well on anything