Sony patent GPU switching technology. Pro now 8.4TF

what\s there to explain
they\re using half floats

>>57211014
...

there's nothing special here. if you legitimately think the ps4 pro is an 8.4 tflop machine comparable to a gtx 1080 you should really jump off a bridge to certain death.

>>57211023
I think the better thing to ask is what can a 16bit float do and what do you need 32bit or 64bit for?

I don't know what is actually required for a videogame, but its usually referred to as precision, and Im not sure how much precision is required for a game.

>>57211694
consider 2 bits that can hold 4 different values, nothing more, nothing less. Now go make a 3D game where everything is bound to be in one of 4*4*4 places, with literally no way to have anything be in between. Good luck.
FP16 is no different, it literally has a sqrt of possible values of regular float

>>57211833
fp32 =~ 7 decimal digits precision
fp16 =~ 3 digits precision

it's enough for storing things like a subpixel color value or a lower precision normal vector.
expect a lot of postprocessing work to get shoved into fp16-heavy shaders.

>>57211014
>Sony patent
nice b8 thread, OP

>>57211014
Why does everyone think you can just use half precision without any downsides at all.

In ML it makes sense because there's a lot of statistical noise and crap anyway but in computer graphics I would think it has the potential to fuck your shit up.

>>57211014
Thought tegra x2 would be in between xbox 1 and ps4 but really its 2/3rds as powerful as xbox 1 then a little less bc the original number was half floats.

>>57211014
They didn't make that up, wtf.

>>57212031
>ML
Expand this so people know what the fuck you're talking about, jackass.

>>57212031
The point is that the option is there. You can choose to use full precision, or half precision. You keep full capability of full precision for graphics engines that actually have a use for it, but can choose to use half precision for retro 2-D games that are poorly optimized and/or have pointless physics features and ai features.

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A FLOAT IS A FLOAT YOU CAN'T HAVE HALF OF IT.

>>57211014
>With half floats, it now has double that -- which is to say, 8.4 teraflops of computational power.
With microfloats -- 1 bit floats consisting of 0 sign bits, 1 significand, 0 exponent -- the PS4 Pro can do 128 teraflops through 32 element SIMD

>>57213878
Divide it by 2

>>57213581
Machine Learning, have you been living under a rock or something?

So if this tech can theoretically boost performance "radically", why don't we use this in the pc gpu space? Wouldn't it be beneficial for cards with low tflop counts to have this extra boost to performance by using fp16 precision?

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>reminder that PS4 Pro turns off half its GPU to run unpatched PS4 games

>>57214160
because it's a relatively new feature
I'm not sure if you can run single precision and half precision code in the same shader which is limiting it's uses to post processing shaders. even fragment shaders need normal and vertex calculations which could degrade quality significantly if ran in half precision

I think Pascal can because Nvidia was talking about mixed precision compute some time ago

Are teraflops wars the new bit wars?

> Oh so you are a FAT-ASS that weights 370 pounds that can't even walk.

> FEAR NO MORE, WE CAN MAKE YOU WEIGHT 185 IN 2 SECONDS AND BE MUSCULAR AND ALL.

> YOU SEE LET'S DEFINE POUNDS LIKE HALF NORMAL POUNDS.

> THAT'S IT! NOW YOU ARE A FIT MOTHERFUCKER! PAY US!!!!!

>>57213878
>>57213946
>>57215181
What is /v/ doing here?

>>57215113
Yes, but even more pointless.

Daily reminder FLOP/S AR the new muh GHz

Is there any singular metric for overall performance of a GPU, if flops are not?

>>57215284
pixels per second + triangles per second is an more accurate representation. But then you have to give 2 numbers....

>>57211014
>PS3
>256mb RAM
>256mb VRAM
>2006 to 2015
>Can move some games in 1080p and 60fps and 3D
>Moving things like Crysis, Killzone 3 and MGS V

>PS4
>8Gb shared RAM/VRAM
>Can't stand more than 3-4 years since relase
>Can't move 50% of the games in 1080p

Oy vey! the problem is Hardware, goys.

>3 PS4 consoles
>0 games worth playing

>>57215284
/v/tards just think the bigger number is better

>>57214717
Good thing I waited, I will buy a PS Pro Guilt Free Edition

>>57211014
>8.4TF
>At half precision

wow its fucking nothing.

You can basically cant do anything extra useful with half precision.

>>57215434
PS4 only had GDDR5, PS4 Pro has 1GB of DDR3 too. It will be smooth as ice.

>>57214717
>>reminder that PS4 Pro turns off half its GPU to run unpatched PS4 games
It has two GPU's you retard.

>>57211014

Clickbait article title. Vectorized half float operations is fine, but the use of a 16-bit float has such a limited range where the minimum strictly positive (subnormal) value is 2^-24 ≈ 5.96 × 10−8, the minimum positive normal value is 2^-14 ≈ 6.10 × 10−5 and the maximum representable value is (2-2^-10) × 215 = 65504. Slap on a negative sign and that's not a whole lot of precision or range of values you can express with that.

The only thing I can see it used a lot for is low resolution 2D images/textures which can fit within that range. And I doubt that it would boost game performance anywhere above 5%.

>>57213853
So, it could be an easier mechanism for low-fi games to achieve native 4k at optimal performance?

Probably Unity based games too, if they are using less sophisticated effects?

>half floats
kek, it's gonna be the PS1's perspective correction hack all over again

Supposedly the PS4 pro has a few more features still under NDA that are part of the AMD roadmap but have been implemented early for the PS4P.

Wonder if more of these hardware features will trickle out of Sony before the release.

The cheapest PS4 might finally be worth getting for that one game I want to play.

>>57211014
It probably has VR applications more realistic polygon velocity of a penis flying at your face.

>>57215778
Can't wait for the Nintendo Switch so I can buy Zelda and shove this shit into the closet to collect dust after I beat it.

At least my PS4 is more useful as a Spotify/Netflix machine.

>>57215936
what is monster hunter?

>>57215936
I've given up on Nintendo consoles because it literally is just Zelda and after that the console is completely useless.

I had a massive Mii Parade in the Wii though thanks to code sharing on /v/ when it came out.

>>57215566
No, it doesn't. It has a single APU with 36 GCN stream processors instead of 18 and the same 8-core AMD x86 processor clocked a bit higher.

You retard.

>>57211014
>GPU switching technology

The fuck? The NES literally had this, if you broaden your definition of a GPU.

>>57211014
It's basically just SSE/AVX with 16-bit floats then innit?

>>57212031
Half precision is usually already used for vertex normals and UV coordinates because it's good enough. You could maybe even get away with using it for position.

I think this mid-generation stop gap nonsense is going to turn out in Microsoft's favour, because they had the right approach from the very beginning in using Win 10 + DX12 and the UWP. It will make transition to new hardware so much smoother, which is something PC gamers have known for 20 years.

The PS4 was clearly intended as a single platform for a generation, and now Sony have realised it's not going to cut it for VR and 4K. So they've kind of cobbled together this PS4 Pro and it just sounds like kind of a mess. Adding an extra 1GB of slow DDR3, unable to radically change the CPU or GPU architecture without breaking compatibility. It may work, but it doesn't sound like a very elegant solution at all and I think they've reached a dead end now.

>>57215365
that greatly depends on the complexity of the shaders

>>57215434
The problem is competition

If they don't do something while microsoft and nintendo release new stuff they'll suffer in sales

>>57216244
what did he mean by this?

>>57211014
centuries ago there was technology called Nvidia Scene Graph
which could send different draw to each GPU on a multi-GPU setup

>>57216244
PSVR already killed Oculus and Vive.

No games run at FP16 due to image quality degradation

Cerny is a moron and it really shows

>GUISE WE INVENTED SIMD XDD

wtf? are they seriously talking about how they can compute 16bit floats at the same time?

I hope you know what this means, less precise floats = less quality and more inaccuracy.

fucking sony is trying to kill itself, meanwhile ps3 (2006) can still be relevant because they actually used a good architecture.

enjoy your x86, ahahaha

>>57216734
You don't have to use it for every variable in the entire game to benefit from this.

And people do already use them for UVs for example.

>>57215936
Funny how Nintendo consoles with all of it's crap is still the only console really worth getting, but that dies off once you drop the brand loyalty.

>>57214050
No, it's just impossible to decipher random fucking initials.

>>57215284
>Is there any singular metric for overall performance of a GPU, if flops are not?

No. Anybody who uses a single metric to judge performance of CPU/GPU is a idiot. There is numerous factor that effects performance.

Comparing Xbox and PS4 teraflops made sense when you comparing two APUs. You going full retarded when you compare PS4Pro flops as samething as Nvidia teraflops.

>>57216527
I meant that Sony have not learned any lessons from putting all their eggs in one basket with Cell.

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A float is a float no matter how small

>>57217540
Why do you even bother posting at all

Current AMD gpus on PC do the same.

It's not sorcery, it's "GCN blows for long floats".

>>57211014
Why stop there? With 1/4th floats the PS4pro has an astounding 16.8 teraflops of computational power.

>>57214717

This is most likely to prevent bugs from being introduced. Especially important for Jap games where they tie game logic to framerate.

They're giving it an extra gig of DDR3 ram (not ddr4?). My guess is that it'll be system reserved, so maybe this ps4pro will get 60fps in the god damn menu, unlike the current model.
>>57215966
>what is monster hunter?
trash weeb game; play dark souls
>>57215985
https://www.vg247.com/2016/10/22/ps4-pro-contains-two-chips-that-work-in-tangent-when-playing-a-pro-supported-game/
Mark Cerny also said that it was 8.4 tf, so think what you want.
>>57215565
>PS4 Pro has 1GB of DDR3 too
The ddr3 will most likely be system reserved, so the speed of it won't matter. People should read the extra ram as extra gigabyte of gddr5 for games instead a gig of ddr3 for the os, that's what's important.
>>57216716
Gear VR killed the Rift and Vive with the accessibility gap. People think the Rift and Vive are the same as the Gear but just overpriced. PSVR is much more accessible and actually has a chance of mending the public image of VR.
>>57217669
>tie game logic to framerate.
this should be illegal

>>57215778
I grabbed one on eBay for under $300, it's getting super cheap and there were a handful of games I'm interested in. If you don't give a shit about 60FPS 4K whatever, it's not a bad investment.

>>57218414
>https://www.vg247.com/2016/10/22/ps4-pro-contains-two-chips-that-work-in-tangent-when-playing-a-pro-supported-game/
The headline/article appears to have been written by someone with a child's reading comprehension. Nowhere in the quote from Mark Cerny does it mention two GPUs.

>>57217058
It's the current Nvidia meme senpai, literally all their twitter trash is about ML

>>57211014
w-wow, we should start using half-floats for everything!

>>57215434
>Can move some games in 1080p and 60fps and 3D
Literally only side scrollers and 2D games senpai
The PS3 had much more longevity, just like the 360, because it was launched with TOTL specs
Current consoles were launched with the specs of a mid ranger PC, the next gen is literally doing the same

>>57214050
ML HYBLUAR OS JFC D

>>57218414
>They're giving it an extra gig of DDR3 ram (not ddr4?).
Would that even be possible without a new memory controller that would possibly fuck up the GDDR5 support?

>>57218807
The ps4 pro is a midrange mainstream pc with the rx 480. The scorpio should be equivalent to a higher end pc since its basically all but confirmed to be using a cut down 490 vega 10 chip. The scorpio is the new xbox 360 and I'm glad about that since we'll get good high quality ports to pc now since devs will have to work on scorpio ports at 4k.

>>57218910
It doesn't even have an rx480, it's a bit below an rx470

>>57218966
I'm pretty sure it's got a full polaris 480 chip that's underclocked to shit tier levels of performance.

>>57218874
Not sure how the PS4's memory controller works, but my suspicion is that it's being used as swap space and they've probably added it in the cheapest way possible, via PCI-express or whatever the PS4 equivalent is, because adding another separate memory controller for just 1GB of slow RAM would be a waste.

>>57218910
>The scorpio should be equivalent to a higher end pc since its basically all but confirmed to be using a cut down 490 vega 10 chip.

The Scorpio is confirmed to be using HBM?
Color me skeptical.
The Vega 11/RX 580 with 8GB/1kb wide HBM2 won't be released until next Spring or Summer, and there's no way Hynix and Samsung have made enough modules for a mass console release yet.

>>57219160
It's using vega 10 with either 12gb gddr5 or 8gb gddr5x based on ms own pcb renders

>>57215181
If we define pound like half normal pound, your weight will be 740 pounds.

>>57219160
The Scorpio supposedly isn't coming until winter 2017

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>>57219401
> Tfw Scorpio comes out a year or two before the new generation

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>>57219433
>mfw the "new generation" is just another incremental refresh and the scorpio is forward compatible with it for a few years

>>57219433
There will be no such things as generations anymore. The companies will just keep selling us upgraded consoles every 3 years which will be able to play all the original games from the original consoles. All xbox one games run within an emulator anyway so I guess they're thinking for the future and potential hardware changes which could break games. Directx will make xbox ports between consoles piss easy too.

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Let's take away from the bullshit for a moment and ask the better question

Loading Linux/windows on a ps4 pro. How comparable is it to a standard mid to mid-high pc considering its price

I have it preordered and will be loading Linux regardless due to 4.XX kernel exploit being present and just need to know where it stands as a budget "pc".

Yes I'm this autistic and will genuinely use it as a pc replacement once I have a reliable way to load windows/Linux

>>57219524
This generation's consoles are just bad computers

>>57219570
It won't load windows, no console ever has done.
It has an 8 core CPU with a low clock speed (i think ~2GHz) based on AMD's mobile jaguar architecture. It's going to have terrible performance if it does actually run Linux.

>>57219575
Because they were released to make a profit. The 360 and ps3 were sold at huge losses. They were powerful though hence why they lasted so long.

>>57218769
I know what machine learning is. I cannot figure out what random letters mean.

>>57219617
I already use a standard ps4 to load fedora and play some games. The dirty setup is at least showing that it still performs very well despite being very messy (VM doesn't work, no sound, etc).

I've been able to at least play some native Linux games on steam like portal and portal 2. Managed to get Arma 3 going (at least into the tutorial but crash once done)

I assume that the system will run slightly better with his hardware but im also fucking retarded and have no idea. I'm a software ended person not hardware.

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I'm gonna buy the new nintendo.

>>57219757
>initials
>random letters

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>>57218807
Okami HD on PS3 is rendered at 4K and downscaled to 1080p senpai

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>>57219160
>all but confirmed to be using a cut down 490 vega 10 chip
Damn, this would mean the 1070 would be outperformed by the 490 most likely.
>>57218603
>child's reading comprehension
or someone with a child's knowledge of computer hardware, more likely
>>57219049
>underclocked
so thats means we'll probably see 470 tier performance, or maybe 'a bit lower'. Games will probably run just as well as a 480 after console optimization though>>57219181
>either 12gb gddr5 or 8gb gddr5x
hopefully 12, whats the point of having a high tier gpu when you have to use shitty textures
>>57219617
>It won't load windows, no console ever has done.
because of 8gb of unified memory
what about that one time that the 3ds loaded windows 95 though, pic related
teehee
>>57219570
lmao you'd be better running the stock os
>>57219810
But can it run crysis?

>>57220739
>Damn, this would mean the 1070 would be outperformed by the 490 most likely.

it really wouldn't. 4k30 is way, way easier to run that 4k60 especially as these consoles are using medium settings 90% of the time. i can max out every recent title at 4k on my old 980 i bought 2.5 years ago and get a locked 30 fps. even in witcher 3 with hbao on and everything set to ultra.

>>57211014
>half-floats
Well, I guess you can't even tell the difference with 30 fps... As long as you stay in the center of whatever map you are...

>>57220793
Scorpio is already confirmed to have 6teraflops, so a now cut down version of the 490 is very likely to have more than the 1070's 6.5teraflops

>>57220962
nigger, we all know that amd gpu's have higher tlops than nvidia counterparts. that literally means nothing. you can't compare the two.

>>57221050
not in dx12

>>57221154
dx12 is a mixed bag right now. i wouldn't deduce anything from it as of yet. you get nvidia wins in games they really should be getting smoked in by the beefier specs of the amd cards.

>>57221211
AMD cards aren't uniformly beefier, most just the shader arrays.
They love compute shading everything and postprocessing, but they've skimped for the last several years on the fixed function units like ROPs, tessellation, and geometry shading.

Vega will almost certainly be 2x Polaris 10 using HBM2 instead of GDDR5, including having only 64 ROPs and 288 TMUs, etc.

>>57221444
>Vega will almost certainly be 2x Polaris 10 using HBM2 instead of GDDR5, including having only 64 ROPs and 288 TMUs, etc.

this sounds like a potentially bigger flop than the fury series.

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>>57211023
>half floats

THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT

>>57211014
The patent won't pass since this kind of technology has been used by computers for over a decade now

>>57211694
>I don't know what is actually required for a videogame, but its usually referred to as precision, and Im not sure how much precision is required for a game.

It means that weird tecture glitch where the textures sort of shift and squirm that the PS1 had will return!

BLAST PROCESSING

>>57221683
Why would you post absolute statements about things you have no clue about?

ITT:
No one understands single and half precision
No one knows what an APU is

This board is exactly like /v/

>>57221706
PS1 had the issue because it didn't have good precision

geography was used in floats so things would jut around between values. If a game dev does the same technique the same thing will happen

>>57221723
>implying people here aren't all sony fanboys coming to damage control for the ps4 pro being weak as fuck

>>57211014
this gay-ass hardware wankery makes me laugh every time.

"b-buht my musheen is superior! it can do 8.4 teraflops. it supports 4k and 120fps. it gots HDR!"

doesnt fix the fact that exclusives are boring, horrible looking shit. enjoy horrible looking shit at 8.4 traflops with 120fps and hdr. the definition of polishing a turd.

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>>57221444
>>57221585
Due to the way they cluster things, it will actually probably be 256 TMUs (compared to 160 in 1080 and 224 in TXp) and 64 ROPs (64 in 1080, 96 in TXp) but it could also be 96 if they wanted to add another block per CU.

But being 2.3x (+/- 0.2) of a RX 480 in a 230W thermal envelope is actually not that bad a spot to be in, which is closer to the Titan X than to the 1080.

In the end though, Vega will live or die based on how many pieces of shaders they can get ported to fp16.

>>57221751
The PS1 didn't even use floats at all.

>>57221822
I mean it didn't have the ability to use decimals

so if something appeared to be between x=1 and X=2 it wouldn't appear at x=1.5 like games today do it'd oscillate between 1 and 2 and your geometry would be all fucking weird around

>>57221809
i don't buy into these amd predictions of being super powerful anymore. i remember when i was fucking hyped about the 390x and people were saying shit like 30% performance boost over the 290x and 20nm process and all that shit and it turned out to be a lemon. don't even mention the fury x. i think i'll stick with a 470 for the next 3 years.

>>57211014
so it can technically do 8.4 terafops? like how the jaguar was technically 64 bit? remind me again, how did that pan out for atari? oh yeah, they forgot to have any jaguar games that werent dogshit and were brutalized for it.

id offer to let you faggots fight me, but i just washed my hands and i dont want to get them dirty again.

>>57213878
Fuck off, """Henry"""

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>>57221853
Vega will presumable fix Fiji's horrendous bottlenecks caused by trying to squeeze 4k shaders on a 600 mm^2 die, by doubling the per-ALU L2, geometry, and rasterizer capacities.

>>57221768
So you are agreeing with him

>tfw people actually believe sony have patented the use of fp16 precision and checkerboarding

>>57220202
Okami HD is pretty much a side scroller, doesn't use a lot of meme post processing/lightning, and was made by really competent people

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install gentoo

No, really, you can install gentoo on the PS4

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>>57221809
>>57221946
ok, for shits and giggles here's hawaii as well.
you can really see by comparison that fiji stripped out a lot to get all their shaders in.

>>57224787
Fiji doesn't have anything "stripped out."
How are you this fucking retarded? Per CU Fiji has more transistors than prior designs like Hawaii and Tahiti.

Why are you even posting here when you're this painfully clueless and uneducated?

>>57224830
It's the balance of Rasterizers, Geometry Processors, and (to a lesser extent) ROPs to CUs within a Shader Engine:

> Hawaii: 1R - 1GP - 2ROB - 11CU
> Fiji: 1R - 1GP - 16ROB - 16CU
> Polaris: 1R - 1GP - 8ROP - 9CU

Fiji would probably have fared better in gaming with 6 SEs with 12 ROPs and 9-10 CUs each, but AMD probably wanted to be able to angle it effectively towards the HPC market as well.

>>57225004
shit, should be
>Hawaii: 1R - 1GP - 16ROP - 11CU

>>57214050
There are plenty of things that could mean ML, maximum likelihood is what came to mind first.

>>57225004
You demonstrably don't know what any of these terms mean.
The Geometry processor, the command processor is front end. It is not part of the CU. ROPs are the back end, and they are not directly part of the CU either.

The only area that Fiji is lacking is pixel throughput, and this is the result of AMD reducing complexity of the back metal layers. The interconnect between CU and ROP is complex and has an enormous impact on how a die yields. Complicating critical layers in an already huge die is suicide unless its selling price can justify low yields.
The other issue is the architecture of AMD's ROPs themselves and the number of pixels/clock they can push.
Fiji had nothing "stripped out" and it most definitely has nothing to do with its caches.

You literally have no idea what you're saying at all. 100% tech illiterate retard.

>>57221723
enlighten us

>>57225055
Where in the previous text did I claim anything was part of a Compute Unit?
I was merely talking about the balance of different pieces, including CUs, within larger Shader Engine blocks.

Don't be so eager to be a douche that you don't read others' comments carefully.

>>57225055
>The only area that Fiji is lacking is pixel throughput
But that's demonstrably wrong. Fiji still gets killed in TWIMTBP games with high tessellation due to:
- lower tessellation and transform capacity
- 16 pixel raster blocks vs. 8 px blocks in recent Nvidia designs
RBE/ROP capacity may be too low depending on who you ask and what kind of shaders are being run, but that's a secondary concern.
A lot of other people repeat rumors about GCN's internal L2 cache bandwidth being lacking, but I've not actually seen that proven one way or the other.

>>57211014
Holy fuck isn't that 480 power

>>57211961
Just what we need right? Not any of that innovative game engine and physics stuff, more blurry AA and chromatic aberration.

>>57225055
Oh shit it's this guy again.

All he does is act superior on /v/ in his spare time and calls everyone else "tech illiterate retards". Nice to see him get schooled here though.

>>57225335
Tessellation is a non factor, anything over 8X gives horrid diminishing returns, and it can be manually set in your driver control panel. The front end has never had a practical impact in anything but review benchmarks run at unrealistic default settings.
Pixel throughput is the only area the designs are lacking, and its the same story with Polaris for the exact same reason. The P10/Ellesmere die with 32ROPs is limited otherwise it would be out performing the R9 390X.

The L2 clock can be tweaked, and doesn't have a significant impact. What it comes down to is strictly pixel throughput. Fiji performs only slightly ahead of Hawaii in some metrics because of this. Computerbase.de showed it in great detail.

>>57226772
I never post on /v/.
Sounds like you're butthurt about being a tech illiterate retard, which by the way is used as commonly as any other insult hurled here.

>>57218603
>tangent
Yep, he meant tandem

>>57211833
that is probably the worst possible explanation.

FP16 is good for stuff where FP32 is overkill, rather background stuff or stuff you can't see, physics, AI, etc.

There's enough of those in game engines for it to make a difference.
Right tool for the job.

>>57218414
>60fps in menu
Why is this needed?

Sony is being retarded. The smart thing would have been to start rumors about the PS5's development and then tease it several months after the scopio's launch. Developing a PS5 would have been dirt cheap, just ask AMD for a Zen and Polaris based SoC. It would dance circles around the PS4 and Scorpio. Both are crippled with a terrible CPU. More GPU power is useless when you have a shitty tablet-tier CPU forming a bottleneck.4K consoles and VR is a giant meme. Consoles can't give us 1080p at 60fps, and now they suddenly want to jump to 4K? What a giant joke.

>>57229554
It's a terrible CPU because they need to stick to a power and thermal budget.

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>>57230537
Sort of. It's more like AMD had nothing else at the time besides Bulldozer descendants, which were well suited for neither low power nor gaming applications, so they just added a ton of mobile-tier cores.

>>57230999
Regardless, Jaguar cores are tiny compared to Bulldozer and even more so Zen cores, so they're much easier to include in an APU than huge Zen cores.

>>57231034
They're not exactly massive.

A Zen core is only ~65% bigger than a single GCN CU (5mm^2 w/ L2 vs. 3mm^2 on 14nm).

>>57231116
What's the comparison between a CPU core and a bunch of dumb SIMD ALUs?

>>57231183
The point is that a PS4 has 18 CUs vs. 8 Jaguar cores, and so even if a Zen core were twice the area per equal performance (its not), they still wouldn't be blowing their entire die budget on CPU cores.

Question, I'm aware that most of this shit isn't anything amazing or new. However, will the PS4 be able to run games at a locked 60fps with native 1080p rendering and at least the same visual quality as current games? That is all I ask of it.

Didn't laptops do this between Nvidia chips and on board Intel chips in the 2000s?

>>57217584
Your autistic episode is funny

>>57216782
They invented a poor man's version of SIMD. SIMD uses a specific register that should be 128 bits in modern systems if I'm not mistaken.

>>57231618
SIMD can be whatever width you want you retard.
GCN uses CUs with 4, 16-wide (i.e., 512b) units.

Furthermore, modern GPUs like GCN and Fermi through Pascal actually use SIMT, meaning that the identical operations are executed on SIMD elements representing data from different threads.

Because threads can have divergent execution flow, SIMT is a lot more complicated to run efficiently than explicit same-thread SIMD.

>>57215974
They dont even get zelda anymore. Look at the wiiu

>>57219524
You dont use dx to port between consoles just different windows platform. The only decent thing about the switch is its vulkan based

>>57219617
Dreamcast ran me bro

>>57218807
>265MB RAM and VRAM
>Top of the line in 2003+2
You're underage, aren't you?

>>57232389
>switch is vulkan based
not even, it's using some proprietary API that Nvidia cooked up

>>57215974
>>57215936
It's good for those local co op games like smash is all, that for Mario stuff too

>>57232942
I would wager it's based on Vulkan, I doubt they're going to create a new API from scratch specifically for Nintendo.
And of course Nintendo are part of the Vulkan consortium.

>>57218807
what is MGS IV