/fglt/ - Fantastic GNU/Linux Thread

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You guys said Linux is meant to be good and Ubuntu is meant to be easy. Fresh install right here, what the fuck are these errors?

>>57201880
More info:
>Installed in UEFI
>Dual boot with Windows 8.1
>Overwrote a previous installation of Ubuntu-GNOME
>Have integrated as well as dedicated GPU (Intel HD Graphics 530 and Nvidia GTX 960M)

>>57201880
>16.10
That's a non-stable build. Try 16.04

How the hell do I install this on archlinux globally for firefox ?
https://github.com/pyllyukko/user.js/
Literally nothing works.
I've followed the documentation on their github page,from the firefox archwiki and mdn.
I feel like I'm going insane.It's just a fucking file you have to put somewhere and run sed to replace a string globally if needed.
Why is it so hard.

>>57201924
Personally, I'd take a look into the file and set the settings I want manually in about:config. That way you can keep a well maintained config where you actually know what's going on.

By the way, also check haasns, shitlist: https://gist.github.com/haasn/69e19fc2fe0e25f3cff5

what is the difference between mint and ubuntu? i want something that just werks (windows babby)

>>57202091
If you want something that just works, get Ubuntu. Linux mint is just Ubuntu with a different name

>>57202091
Mint is a mix of Debian and Ubuntu, nicely polished, everything works out of the box and it has serious security problems.

Ubuntu is not that polished, but a bit more secure.

You can try Mint in a VM for your first steps, but I wouldn't install it.

Mint is maintained by a single guy, Ubuntu by a faggot company (Canonical).

tl;dr both distros are bad, choose Ubuntu for learning, level up to a different distro when you feel save enough.

I fucking hate Manjaro, lads

>>57202255
Why?

>>57202168
what would be the next step? Gentoo? Arch?

>>57202281
You will know it after using one distro for a while. Just don't start distro hopping and realize that basically all distros are the same OS in different colors.

>>57201880
>UEFI
Just don't

Other than that, just ignore it, it restarted the crashed processes

>>57202263
I don't know, it feels disgusting

>>57202404
>>UEFI
>Just don't

Go with the times grandpa

>>57202404
I don't mind UEFI.

>Other than that, just ignore it, it restarted the crashed processes

Thanks for the reply, famalama.

fucking mpd ncmpcpp is fucking awful

I need a game to play on Linux.
Something free.
What do you guys recommend?

>>57202886
tuxracer

>>57202886
DOOM

Is it possible to set xfce themes via command line?

ChaletOS has some tweak tools that does it via the command line afaik

>>57202886
tony hawk pro skater 2

>>57202886
Serious Sam 3, Psychonauts, Mount and Blade: Warband, CS:GO, Trine 1 and 2.....

>>57202886
Kernel compile 4.9-rc1

>>57202255

Let me guess, you hate that a linux distro can be easy to use and still use your sacred arch repositories.

Manjaro is a good distro.

>>57202886
Red Eclipse, Tesseract, Sauerbraten

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>>57203280
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>tfw can feel myself getting closer and closer to falling for the Arch meme every day

>>57202886
Witcher 3 ;_;

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How to know the read / write speed of USB flash drive?

>>57201427
Any anons heard about this, and how do we address this vulnerability:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/21/dirty-cow-linux-vulnerability-found-after-nine-years

>>57202940
something like

xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Net/ThemeName -s "Greybird"

http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfconf/xfconf-query

>>57202886
Dwarf Fortress, StepMania, Hedgewars

>>57203475
It's definitely worth falling for. I can say it's at least more fun than anything Debian-based.

>>57203547
Whats better on Arch than on other distros?

>>57202886
0ad

>>57203547
I find debian sid to be more fun.

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>>57203674
>>57203547
they both can be fun senpai

http://www.strawpoll.me/10990789

>>57203268
kek

>>57203757
>Linux/BSD distro/the one you use?
Oxymoron

Fuck off

>>57203574
Newer packages, less breakage, the AUR. It's a lazy guy's dream. All the popular fonts in desktop threads are in the AUR so they're easy to install. So are fun little programs like toilet that you would otherwise have to compile yourself and keep up to date yourself.

Pacman is loads better than apt as well. I'm not a programmer so I can really list stats or reasons, but the way it shows progress is much neater and it seems much faster. The search is also more readable.

>>57203680
linux is fun

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>>57203757

>>57203757
>Gentoo
>only 11%

:^(

>>57203904
I was surprised at how many Gentoo and Ubuntu users there apparently are.

>tfw strawpoll is blocked
>>57203900
Ubuntu > Arch > korora > Debian > Fedora

>>57203893
Fonts are easy to install in any distro.

>>57203893
Posts like this make me not want to install arch. If you can't list reasons, please don't claim one is better than the other. and you outed yourself as a desktop memer.

>>57203947
>gentoo users

they are meme-ing

>>57203953
How can I install MS fonts in freetard distros like plebian/autism hat?

>>57203953
Yeah, and compiling stuff isn't that hard, but Arch makes it all easier. I've also received updates to fonts I installed before. I never would've thought to check if I had installed them normally.

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>>57203900
kek, have this one

>>57203965
sudo apt install ttf-mscorefonts-installer

>>57203960
>I've never used gentoo

>>57203958
Well, I clearly did list reasons. I also don't usually post in desktop threads, but I enjoy them a lot. I usually rate and lurk.

It's a fun and easy to use distro. Why not just try it instead drilling me on reasons you should use it?

>>57203967
Yeah and most likely you noticed no difference in the update either.

>>57203989
So? I sure hope you aren't the type to avoid updates unless they do something interesting.

>>57203975
>freedom = gone

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>>57203680
fix'd

>>57203967
Arch can't even into checkinstall yet you claim it is easier to compile on arch. Does that have any base or are you just memeing?
If you say AUR i can tell you that reading pkgbuilds works for any distro.
>>57203985
I already did use arch for a while (and parabola) and i can not share your love for pacman. In arch it was not exactly easy to differenciate between free and nonfree.

>>57204004
no dirty cow?

>>57204015
>reading pkgbuilds works for any distro.
Go compile MPC-Qt and show your epenis

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>>57204002
I'm so sorry

>>57204021
>qt
Thanks but no thanks

>>57204029
>I just got owned

>>57204015
I didn't say it was easier to compile, I said the AUR is easier than compiling and maintaining stuff yourself.

>not exactly easy to differentiate between free and nonfree
Ah. You're a better man than I. I still use Steam and many other pieces of non-free software. Probably why I didn't mind leaving Debian.

>>57203958
>Choosing your distro based on some posts on an anonymous message-board

>>57202798

Only if you're a try-hard idiot who uses it to impress his friends from the desktop threads.

>>57204039
>AUR
>installing stuff maintained by literally who

>>57204039
>I said the AUR is easier than compiling and maintaining stuff yourself.
Are you fucking retarded? When using the AUR you do just that

I'm done trying to make XFCE not have screen tearing
It's fucking impossible

>>57201880
Don't use the optimus applet. I'm not sure exactly what it's purpose is but bumblebee can manage things just fine without your help.

>>57204061
You're just arguing semantics here. It's automated for you, essentially. Easy to keep up to date as well. I do use Yaourt, though. Maybe that was an important detail.

>>57203995
Yeah because updates for updates sake is what it's all about isn't it. It's always best version number even if it was the slight curve of one letter that changed.

Why are Arch users and Debian users always trolling each other?

>>57204100
Autism

>>57204096
Might as well be up to date unless something broke. That's all. Sorry if I offended you.

>>57204100
It's the new people insulting the veterans. Everyone has tried Debian. Not everyone has tried Arch. Not to say that using Arch makes you better, but that you've probably already learned a bit if you're bothering to use it.

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>>57204100
>tfw I don't use either of them but pretend just to troll the other .

>>57204134
Retards and newbies manage to install Arch just fine.

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I have encountered a weird bug in GNOME where if I leave a terminal open too long, whenever I close one, two pop up in its place. I can keep trying to close them, but the result will only be that I have a million terminals open. The only fix is to turn off the computer completely.

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>>57204151

>>57204134
I had install Arch on three different computers before I ever used Debian. I definitely prefer Arch.

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>Run Arch on home server
>qBittorrent for torrenting
>Seed limit: 0Mb
>Run Xubuntu on Laptop
>Run Arch on desktop
>Systemd shill
>KDE shill
>Shit on OpenBSD
>Shit on debqueers
>Shit on wincucks
>mfw

>>57203949
>korora
what's this meme distro good at?

>>57204219
xDDDDDDD

>>57204219
You absolute madman

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help
I can't stop collecting them

>>57204254
No lo/g/os?

>>57204254
Hoarding eh

Don't worry, internet will die in a few years and you will have a ton of shit

>>57204254
>no many distro
>still running windows

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>>57204235
+ Not a freetard distro
+ Fedora based
- SHIT ton of bloats

>>57204219
:^^^^)

>>57204235
basically fedora shipped with 3rd party repos, flash and their icon/theme/setup.

>>57204276
I don't trust myself with the dd command

>>57204254
>no red hat
>no templeOS for the lels
>no tails
>no elementaryOS
>no kateOS

How can you call yourself a horder?

>>57204174

Thank you for reporting your bug here. This thread also serves as an official GNOME issue tracker.

>>57204309
actually deleted tails yesterday because the version was ancient, gotta download it again

>>57204174
Make a bash script to close the terminals for you.

It won't make a fork bomb, I promise.

>>57204174
LMAO

>>57204263
It's a waste of filespace preparing for that though, as when the internet is killed you can just call them up and order the disk to be delivered to you.

>>57204370
Nigga just keep hoarding

For hoarder, you can literally download Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download

>pages-articles.xml.bz2 – Current revisions only, no talk or user pages; this is probably what you want, and is approximately 12 GB compressed (expands to over 49 GB when uncompressed).

I'm trying to play Oblivion via wine. It runs great, till it crashes anywhere after 1-5 mins of play, seemingly at random. I can make some progress by saving every few seconds, but that sucks. I've already tried googling, and the wine error is not very revealing. All the other games I play via wine work fine.

>>57204235
Like Fedora, breaking.

>>57204493
>Oblivion
Tons of mods installed?

>>57204504
>fedora breaking
arch*

>>57204510
No, vanilla with latest patch.

>>57204493
Are you using the latest version of wine?

>>57204493
Just sounds like typical Oblivion to me.

>>57204519
Yes.

>>57204516
Doesn't sound normal then. (Though it never was perfectly stable even on Windows for me)

Is it worth the trouble of installing bumblebee/nvidia? It seems like a whole new level of complexity and risk when updates roll around.

>>57201427
How do I get a desktop wallpaper on IceWM

>>57204921
most image viewers can set your wallpaper. easiest to use is probably feh:

feh --bg-scale /path/to/wallpaper

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/feh#As_a_desktop_wallpaper_manager

Installed Mint with KDE dual boot with Windows 10 yesterday. Running Mint from the USB disk was fine with dual screens however when i installed it properly, it now doesn't see the second screen. Why it do dat? Doesn't see it in the monitor settings.

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So a week ago, I updated gtk3 to 3.22.1+8 and gtk applications would show me the error in the picture. I came here for help and some anon told me to downgrade to 3.20.9-1 and that allowed gtk applications to open without error.

Now the problem is that stuff like gedit and other gtk applications take a minute or two to open. Even trying to save a picture, firefox freezes up for a minute or two before showing the file explorer and takes a long to open different file locations.

Is there a fix to this? I'm using arch.

>>57205079

Which distribution?

>>57205100
I wrote it at the end, but it's Arch Linux.

>>57205119

First of all, you're not supposed to downgrade GTK and then use programs compiled against that version you just uninstalled. Of course it's going to break.
The reason your Firefox didn't work is because you most likely did a partial upgrade and didn't download the new Firefox for GTK 3.22.

>>57204965
>no loadable image specified

>>57205181
>>57204965
nvmd it doesn't want to work on jpeg files

>>57205079
stop using arch.
seriously, your problems are a strong argument against bleeding-edge autism.

>>57205211

Stop being retarded. Normal people who use Arch don't have that problem. It's not an Arch problem. It's an user problem when idiots install things and follow bad advice (like the core library downgrade advice).
Your post is a perfect example of idiots, who know nothing about the topic they're talking about, talking like they do.

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>ubuntu

>>57205149
Firefox launches without issue, it's the file browser when I upload/download images that freezes Firefox up until it opens.

I understand what you're telling me, but I still don't see a solution. Every package on arch right now is fully updated, but when I upgrade to the newer gtk3 version, gtk applications don't launch. The only package that is out of date is gtk3. pacman -Syu only wants to upgrade gtk3.

I'm 100% sure I did a full upgrade as well.

>>57205264
>being to retarded to even get the install CD of UBUNTU to work
gtfo

>>57205294

>it's the file browser when I upload/download images that freezes Firefox up until it opens.
Guess which package provides the GUI toolkit for that file-chooser? Hint: it's GTK3.

This issue is clearly stemming from partial upgrades or using non-official packages (from the AUR) that aren't compiled against your GTK3 version.
Post your pacman log.

>>57205318
even gentoo is more reliable

>>57205325
Here are last 5(?) days of the log. Let me know if you need more.
http://pastebin.com/pwqxBPh8

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>>57204254

Is there a minimal distro of Fedora?
something that I can install the WM of my own choosing without having to deall with all the bloat of GNOME or Xfce?

Is there any resources out there with a step by step guide on how to rice completely? All I see are the programs used instead of a guide on how to do it all.

>>57205238
stop defending your shitty distro by projecting your incompetence on me. the fact is, when you run a ****BLEEDING EDGE**** distro with thousands of "official" packages and everything is binary there are going to be issues with someone forgetting to update or rebuild something and even if it happens <1% of the time, you have 9000 packages of which as many as 100 or more can get updated in a single day, and if you train your userbase to be all OMG BLEEDING EDGE I NEED TO RUN pacman -Syu EVERY TIME I OPEN A TERMINAL you're going to run into broken/out of sync dependencies.

Downgrading (rollback) /is/ a sensible solution for normal people on normal distros, but Arch makes the whole process a fucking hemorrhoid because WHY WOULD YOU EVER ROLLBACK ON A BLEEDING EDGE DISTRO???

fucking archbabbys being coached by archfags - this is why republicans want to ban homosexuals from raising children.

t. 15+ year Slackware Linux user with ~3 years experience using Arch on a netbook

>>57205390

Stop downgrading gtk3. Install the latest version and update everything (Syyu, extra y to update your package database just in case).

>>57205496
Netinstall Image on the right https://getfedora.org/en/server/download/

>>57205506

>Downgrading (rollback) /is/ a sensible solution for normal people on normal distros
Compile your Firefox against a specific GTK3 version and then downgrade your GTK3 package. See how that works out for you on any distribution. I seriously doubt that you've been using it for that long, but you apparently still don't know that doing something retarded like that won't work.

Not much to say about the rest of the post because it's some angst riddled, meme, ad-hominem attacks. I suggest you look at the forums or go ask on the IRC channel (or other support channels) to see how many people are having an issue with Firefox/GTK3. Hint: none. I am personally running it on 2 computers and they both work.

>>57205506
>this is why republicans want to ban homosexuals from raising children

kek

>>57205561
i don't even use gtk 3, it's an ugly piece of shit

>>57205523
It broke again. Here's the log of me upgrading. I'm really confused and I need help.

http://pastebin.com/aReQHF6L

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I'm using this tutorial
http://www.binarytides.com/linux-test-drive-speed/
to know the R/W speeds of a USB flash drive.

dd if=/dev/zero of=./largefile bs=8k count=10000

sudo sh -c "sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches"

dd if=./largefile of=/dev/null bs=8k

1. How does a file made of zeros have size?
2. Why the second command needs to run in sh and with "-c"?
3. What is null? is it the RAM?

>>57205561
anyway, his problem was that he upgraded gtk and then all the programs compiled against an earlier version stopped working. and now he's in fucking library hell because he has no idea what was compiled with what.

you're giving idiots the keys to the space shuttle and expecting them to understand which way is up in space.

>>57205613
>How does a file made of zeros have size?
"empty" space on your drive isn't actually empty, it's full of shit left from deleted files unless you specifically 0ed it for some reason.

>>57205600

You not using GTK3 isn't an argument against your retarded claim that doing the thing I mentioned above would work on a different distribution.

>>57205607

Do you have any extra repositories added? Also, what broke again? Which error message are you getting and what are you trying to do?

>>57201427
I don't get OP's comic strip.

I've searched for Linux anti-virus software, and I can't find any.

The only thing I can find is software that runs on Linux and gets rid of Windows viruses -- for example, a Linux mail server that scans inbox attachments for Windows viruses.

>>57205613

1. a file of all zeros takes up as much space as a file where some of the zeros are ones.
2. -c tells the shell to run the command in quotes. in order to write to /proc you need root privilege and sudo sh launches a shell as the root user.
3. /dev/null is not ram, it is a special Unix file that discards all data written to it. in other words, the OS simulates that data is being written, but it doesn't actually go anywhere. it's also used to discard standard output/error streams from commands (you might see something like "someprocess >/dev/null 2>/dev/null" - means discard all output instead of printing it to the terminal)

>>57205718
>2. -c tells the shell to run the command in quotes. in order to write to /proc you need root privilege and sudo sh launches a shell as the root user.
So it's like vault?
Where a single command will as root in shell without launching full bash and that's it?
>null
So like a virtual device?

>>57205613
>>57205657
You're kind of right but that has nothing to do with file size. Basically an empty file has a file size of 0 even though it occupies space in the disk, it has to have a filename, permissions, owner, etc. and that's because the file header and the file contents are separate. So you can have a 1GB file of just 0's called kek.bin, because the file header tells the OS that there's a file called kek.bin that starts here and ends here, it doesn't matter if it's an actual file or if it's just 0's.

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>>57205665
Here's my full pacman config.
http://pastebin.com/ysGigpkb

Error that I get when opening gedit or firefox:
symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-3.so.0: undefined symbol: g_log_structured

Basically if I have the newest gtk version installed with pacman -Syu, I can't open firefox/gedit by running the file on my desktop, it doesn't launch at all. So I go to the terminal and type "firefox" and it shows the error message above. But when I downgrade, I run gedit through the terminal and it takes a minute or two to open before it outputs the message in the picture. It then opens properly and works fine as far as I can tell.
Firefox opens normally, but when the file browser (gtk3 firefox) opens when I save something or upload something, it takes a minute for it to open and the browsing is slow as heck (taking a really long time to open a folder with three small files in it).

Now I'm thinking that both firefox and gedit need to be updated somehow, because I don't think I've had any other problems so far. How would I go about checking if they're both on the right versions?

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>>57204314
FUCK THAT GUY FOR TALKING ABOUT GNU/LINUX IN THE GNU/LINUX THREAD AM I RIGHT?! I JUST WANT TO COME HERE TO TALK ABOUT FREEBSD

RAAAAAAAAA

>>57205842
I just said that 0's don't equal to empty.

>>57205842
I see.
How to see/modify file header?

>>57202886
Teeworlds

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I think I finally fixed it guy
Oh happy day

>issue
Screentear on dual-monitor setup. If you use the simple 'pipeline' method in the nvidia-settings config, it would only apply to one monitor

copied this into terminal and it seems to work properly now

nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="$(xrandr | sed -nr '/(\S+) connected (primary )?[0-9]+x[0-9]+(\+\S+).*/{ s//\1: nvidia-auto-select \3 { ForceFullCompositionPipeline = On }, /; H }; ${ g; s/\n//g; s/, $//; p }')"

god bless

>>57201916
stable like a cock

>>57202886
Tales of Maj'Eyal

>>57205665
but he did the opposite you retarded google. he upgraded his gtk to a different version that probably had different symbols and functions and whatever. this happens on my distro, rarely, and almost always with third-party "unofficial" packages. in those cases, if the third-party repo doesn't have a package built against the new library version and/or if i'm too lazy to go through and recompile any/all affected packages myself, i simply rollback to the previous version of the offending library. AND GUESS WHAT - IT FUCKING WORKS.

bleeding edge is a cancer. if a software package is working for you, there is no explicit need to upgrade to the newest version. only security/bugfixes should be applied indiscriminately

>>57205782
don't know what vault is, but it's like running a perl one-liner with perl -e 'some;short;script'
the reason you need to do it that way is sudo does not work well with combining commands using && and output redirection - it grants privilege for one part but not the other.
>without launching full bash
it actually does launch "full bash" - all the overhead associated with an independent bash instance is still there. it just doesn't launch in interactive mode, same as if you launched a script that was saved as a file. the -c option just says, pretend this thing in quotes is a script file and then run that file. the interpreter does not distinguish between any of that.

>/dev/null
yes, just like /dev/zero if a virtual device that spits out zeros, /dev/random is a virtual device that spits out pseudorandom integers from the entropy pool, etc.

>>57205866

List the package information with pacman and compare it to the one in the repository (either your local after updating or the Arch website).
It probably won't help, but try removing Firefox, gtk3, gedit (-Rsn) and their dependencies and reinstalling.

>>57205866

Did you install anything from the AUR?

>>57205879
This is done at the file system level. For example, by changing the file name you are modifying it's "header". What is really happening is that you are modifying the inode which is what represents the file in the disk, you can see inode information by using the stat command (stat kek.bin).

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>>57205981
I think I'm getting one step closer.

Basically, all those programs listed in the picture won't open using gtk3 on the latest version, but there are other programs that need gtk3 and still work (ie, evince(pdf viewer)).

Looking at the versions, gedit is on 3.22.0+4+g2c70ccb-1, while gtk3 is on 3.22.1+67+gffb1ac5-1. Evince is on 3.22.1-1

So why the FUCK won't gedit update?

And now I just checked the AUR and gedit doesn't exist, only gedit2. And I can't find the package "firefox" either.

I remember removing a third party repo a couple of months ago, could that be the problem? How do I check what I've installed from it?

>>57206162
I know a fix for that problem.

https://get.debian.org

>>57206174
>implying debian doesn't suffer from dependency hell
the only distro that will never bitch at you about dependencies is Slackware.

>>57206162

>I remember removing a third party repo a couple of months ago, could that be the problem?
pacman -Qm

>>57206224
It honestly doesn't these days.
I've been running Debian sid mixed with some testing and some experimental package, upgrading everyday and I haven't had a single problem in several years.

I'm going out of my way to run bleeding edge and it's still rock solid.

>>57206225
This is the output. What do I do with it? I have no idea what that command does.
http://pastebin.com/e0265gXU

what is /fglt/'s favourite VM software?
on windows I always used virtualbox to run linux software/scripts.
now I heard everyone saying virtualbox is shit, and since I'm now in the opposite situation, where I want to virtualize windows in a GNU/Linux environment I thought I'd ask you guys about what sucks less than virtualbox

>>57206240
to be fair, the last/only time I managed a Debian installation was back in 2011 (squeeze?), but it only took about 5 or 6 months before there was a circular dependency resolution error involving glibc (iirc).
never again.
i mean, it's a matter of principle for me at this point. if you can make it work for you, that's great, but that doesn't make it kosher for us master race elitists.

>>57206257

man pacman
pacman -Qh
Hint: it lists packages that you have installed but which aren't from the official repository. Obviously something that you installed fucked with the official repository packages.

Enjoying that AUR yet?

>>57206305
>>57206305
>it's a matter of principle
>master race elitists.
Do you care more about emotions than cold facts, then?

Having had a bad experience 5 years ago shouldn't be a reason to give up for the rest of your life, or you'll pass up on a lot of better things.

>>57206334
Well shit. I remember using pacman and not manually installing any packages at all. Looks like I'm gonna have to reinstall every single one.

Any good SFTP client for GNU/Linux?
Filezilla sucks massive nigger cocks.

>>57206372

You weren't using Pacman, you used Yaourt (as seen in your package list).
Let me guess, you installed Arch by using that infographic and just installed everything it told you?

>>57206411
No infographic, just a 4 hour long video. I fell for a meme and I actually liked it.

So how do I update it then? Am I fucked?

>>57205613
>2. Why the second command needs to run in sh and with "-c"?

Because if you did:

sudo sync && echo 3 > ...

Only the sync command would execute with sudo and you'd lack the privileges to write to /proc. This alternatively could have been written as:

sudo sync && sudo echo 3 > ...

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>>57206437
OP here, is this safe? Am I about to break everything?

>>57206343
the cold fact was that aptitude and/or horrible package maintenance made the system unusable. i have fucked up my system plenty of times by accident myself, mostly during my first 5 years, but I have never had an error on a part of slackpkg or pkgtool or the Slackware maintainers force me to do a complete reinstall, because it is designed to be so simple that nothing can break.

A few years ago I was drunk/high and accidentally deleted my entire package "database", and I was still able to figure out how to (relatively effortlessly) restore everything. Didn't need to consult any documentation or guides or ask forums/IRC/mailing lists either, because Slackware's package system is simple enough to understand intuitively providing you're not a complete fucking retard.

Nothing better than the perfect OS

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>>57206462
you still lack write privileges. sudo does not apply to redirection. launching a subshell with those privileges is the only way to redirect

>>57206523
That's nice to know, I assumed for some reason that the pipe would be considered a "single" command that runs under sudo.

>>57202886
warsow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-su_JzmBvPg

>>57206480

You're a poweruser who is using zsh and for whom Bash isn't enough. Surely you can figure that one out on your own.

>>57206680
You don't even know the answer yourself. How about you stop wasting your time with your typical archkiddie and move the fuck on?

I'm sure that half of the packages not working on your FreeBSD distro today is really frustrating.

>>57206711
You're absolutely retarded if you use bash on FreeBSD. Nice job showing how well you understand FreeBSD on absolutely no basis of this guy using it. This is why you people are never taken seriously.

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>level 25

>>57205079
Okay so I think I've fully fixed the problem. Just updated the packages that were installed with yaourt.

From what I've read, it's a bad idea to use yaourt(?)
What do I do so that when I update with pacman -Syu, it will also update yaourt packages?

Unless there are good alternatives to yaourt.

>>57207027
>good alternatives to yaourt
sbopkg/slackpkg/slackpkg+

>>57207027
>From what I've read, it's a bad idea to use yaourt(?)
I've seen all the arguments against it, but I've never had a problem in all the years I've been using it.
>What do I do so that when I update with pacman -Syu, it will also update yaourt packages?
Not sure how you'd get around the problem of already having yaourt installed packages, but I'd advise doing things the old fashioned way, download the tarballs from the AUR webpage to a dedicated folder, navigate to and tar -xvf them, navigate to the resulting folder and look at the pkgbuild, and execute makepkg -sri to install. It's quick and easy once you've done a couple of times and tab completion is your friend here. Now all you have to deal with is crappy package maintainers.

>>57207358
So does that mean that when there is an update, I have to redownload the tarballs?

>>57207027
No really if you read pkgbuilds
>>57207269
Cuckware is a garbage. Cry harder

>>57207433
>I'M TOO STUPID TO USE A REAL UNIX-BASED OPERATING SYSTEM
ftfy m8

>>57207491
What a massive fucking retard. Both Arch and cuckware are Linux. Fuck off

>>57207385
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository

>>57207514
both use the Linux kernel, but one is a mature, stable, thoughtfully crafted distribution built around strong Unix principles, and the other is a steaming pile of shit made by autists and shilled to idiots.

>>57207385
Pretty much or get a non-shit AUR helper. It's probably not worth the trouble at this point, continue using yaourt, just keep this in mind the next time you install Arch.

>>57207539
aww looks like some buttmad neckbear is on backpedalling mode.

I don't think your opinion counts, neckbear :^)

>>57207491
Slax is easy to use.

Anything fun you can do with Microsoft linux?

>>57207633
Installing gentoo

>>57207641
Is it even possible to use that bash for windows to install gnu/linux like how you can use any live usb to install gnetoo?

>>57207587
>i have no argument, only buzzwords and le smug smileyface

>>57207662
Meant for >>57207539

>>57207684
>i know you are but what am i

>>57207712
Not a neckbear

>>57207721
>implying

>>57207760
>implying

>>57207782
>implying

>>57207782
>>57207760
>applying

>>57207806
>>57207803
>>57207782
>>57207760
>samefagging this much

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>>57207820
>implying

>>57207820
>implying

this thread is getting implications beyond implied mesures & i think we should stop

>>57207866
>implying

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>implying

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>>57207843
>implying

>>57207879
>>57207889
wew

>>57207889
>implying

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So looks like Xfce is my only way to migrate to GNU/Linux with my eGPU setup since KDE, Gnome and Cinnamon couldn't detect it, crashed or went full artifact mode.

However there's heavy stuttering, tearing and everything freezing randomly for one or two seconds, tried the proprietary and open source drivers but the issue persists. Any suggestions to fix it?

Running Xubuntu if it helps.

>>57207939
Why would the DE be responsible for configuring your video hardware? This is an issue with the X server itself. If your card is properly set up in X, it wouldn't matter what DE is running on top of it.

>>57207939
>implying

>>57207979
I don't even know i'm a winbabby that's why i'm here asking for help.

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Can someone tell me how i can "fix" my terminal?

When i launch terminator or dropdown terminal there is only $ and my aliasses won't work until i insert "bash" command, then it goes back to "normal" until i launch it again.

ps. i am total noob with GNU/Linux

What is so bad about Ubuntu?

I have been using various versions of Debian (7,8,Crunchbang,bl) on several machines for 2 years now.

I don't really see what is so bad about Ubuntu. Its basically just a Debian system with non-free drivers and a custom DE.

>>57208070
to set your default shell to bash, run

chsh -s <shell> <user>

for example:

chsh -s /bin/bash martin

>>57208013
then you're probably not going to have a lot of fun trying to set up a very arcane X configuration which may or may not even work (well) with your hardware.

>>57208070
do you have your custom shit defined in .bashrc or .bash_profile?

>>57208072
Nothing, there's a reason a lot of people use it, it's easy and it works.

>>57202886

Battle for Wesnoth

>>57208122
So why is there a meme to hate on it?

>>57208163
once everyone thought it's cool to use arch and make everything hard for yourself the name noobuntu came around. and the spyware thing happend once

I have such a weird problem with mpd, however I start it on boot (systemd service or manually in KDE's autostart) it doesn't work. If I kill mpd and restart it then it works fine. Any idea why this is happening? The config seems to be fine because it works when I start it manually after the boot has finished.

>>57208101
>then you're probably not going to have a lot of fun trying to set up a very arcane X configuration which may or may not even work (well) with your hardware.
Xfce seems to like it but as i said there's this overall sluggishness, currently using my mad google skills to see if it's because of my hardware and if i could fix that.

I know that there might be some quirks because an eGPU setup is basically a hack by throwing a desktop GPU in a laptop but works with W7.

>>57201427
If I used digital ocean to set up a platform where I can host websites/wordpress can I put cloud computing on my linkedin?

>>57204004

The red dots are SystemD..

>>57208172
Whats the source on that spyware thing?

>>57208218
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.en.html From GNU though, will be bias...
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/01/ubuntu-online-search-feature-disabled-16-04
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2840401/ubuntus-unity-8-desktop-removes-the-amazon-search-spyware.html

>>57208181
Have you tried delaying it, maybe it's starting before something it needs.

>>57208235
Removing the gas chambers doesn't mean that nobody died and everything should be forgiven.

>>57208374
Canonical is literally Nazi Germany.

>>57208321
I haven't but that's a good idea. I Just added to my .profile and that seems to work as well, weird.

>>57208486
If it works manually (through an interactive shell) and when it's on your .profile but not automatically then it probably requires something on your environment. I don't use mpd so I don't know but maybe it uses some environment variables or something that aren't set when it isn't running on an interactive shell.

>>57208486
>>57208535
OK just found out mpd isn't a graphical program. How are you starting it? Something like this?

ExecStart=/home/anon/urxvt -e mpd

>>57208612
The systemd script I used has this

ExecStart=/usr/bin/mpd %h/.config/mpd/mpd.conf --no-daemon

It doesn't need to open, just run in the background.

>>57208647
>

--no-daemon

>>57208647
>>57208181

Does it start after the network is up?

>>57208683

So what? That's the preferred way with systemd, because it lets systemd do all the rest.

>debian says i'm missing iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode through iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode
>provide nonfree firmware on USB
>network autoconfig failed
What the hell do I do?

>>57208647
Does it start after network and sound?

After=network.target sound.target

Do you use SELinux?
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/348c0l/mpd_autostart_with_systemd/
>SELinux is preventing mpd from getattr access on the directory /home/user.

>>57208690
>>57208720
Doesn't appear to, maybe that is why.

[Unit]
Description=Music Player Daemon

[Service]
ExecStart=/usr/bin/mpd %h/.config/mpd/mpd.conf --no-daemon
ExecStop=/usr/bin/mpd --kill

[Install]
WantedBy=default.target

I'll give that a try.

>Do you use SELinux?
No.

>>57208704
>just run in the background
>--no-daemon
>just run in the background
>--no-daemon

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>>57201427
stop calling it GNU

>>57208736
That's how it works, apparently.

>--no-daemon
>Don't detach from console.

Since it's already running in the background it doesn't have to detach.

>>57208718
If you can get an try to ether jack into your router, add non-free to your apt/sources.list , and try to install using apt-get inst iwlfifi-5000

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>Use Acronis to clone a windows HD to another HD
>cloned windows going into some type of crazy black screen/login screen loop
>use windows 10 built-in reformat shit called 'reset' on the old HD since all the files are cloned to the new one and I can get to them, I just can't boot off the drive
>the reset borks my fucking windows admin account
>doesn't recognize it worth shit, can't reset without an admin account, can't make changes without an admin account
>typing to you from safe mode with networking

I only have a 4 gig flash drive so I can't put an X64 W10 iso on it, so I'm joining the linux senpai until I can get my shit sorted. I'd use linux regularly, but I do too much gaymen. /g/entoo wiki flowchart directed me to Mint.

What am I in for? Should I go with something that's not Mint?

>>57208767
antergos

it's user friendly arch without the autism and rolling release

>>57208767
Mint should be fine for your adventure ahead. There are some nay-sayers because Mints had some security issues in the past. If you worry about that kind of thing check out the *buntu's like xubuntu or Ubuntu-mate.

>>57208767
You sound like you can read, so you could manage with debian. Maybe go for xubuntu if you are lazy. Just don't use mint.
have fun.

>>57208718
You could use the nonfree installer.

>>57206408
~$: sftp -P <port number> uname@ipaddr
press enter
type password

tuh duh

>>57208720
Just tried the After and it still doesn't work with systemd. Going to try the delay now.

>>57209124
Might be dumb questions but did you remember to enable it? Are you starting it as your own user? Have you checked what systemctl status <your service> says?

>>57209172
Yeah, it is enabled. I started as my user with this originally:

systemctl --user start mpd.service

It is running as my user but no client can connect to it. If I do

systemctl --user restart mpd.service 

then I it works fine.

I'm thinking of just saying fuck it and putting it in ~/.profile, at least it works that way. Systemd just gives me nothing but hassle.

how do I install yaourt in my ubangoo 16.10?

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>>57209279

>>57209270
OK, one last thing, apparently mpd provides a systemd service file already in /usr/lib/systemd/user/mpd.service, maybe see if it does things differently.

why do some people say open source, some free software and others foss, what's the difference

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>>57209485
open source is mostly self explanatory as it's open source

Free software can mean anything from free as in freedom to proprietary (not open source) software offered for free

foss is short for "Free and open Source Software"

>>57209485
Open Source means source is available and it's projects are mostly development oriented.

Free Software means software is "Free as in Freedom", and it's projects are mostly freedom oriented.

Some people prefer using FOSS/FLOSS (Free and Open Source Software/Free+Libre Open Source Software) as neutral terms.

>>57209485
Open source: you can see the source code
Free software: you can see the source code AND it has a free license
FOSS: free open source software, because just saying "free software" might make people think it's just free as in beer

Basically, this defines free software: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software
Open source might not offer you freedoms 2 and 3 because of a restrictive license.

>>57202886
Everything is free if you know were to look

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>>57209485
Free software means software that respects the user's freedom.

There are four essential freedoms that the user of software should always have:

Freedom 0 is the freedom to run the program however you wish.
Freedom 1 is the freedom to study the source code of the program and change it to make the program do as you wish.
Freedom 2 is the freedom to distribute copies of the program to others when you wish. This includes republication of the program.
Freedom 3 is the freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others when you wish. This includes republication.

If you have all four of these essential freedoms, then the program is free software, which means that the social system of the distribution of the program is an ethical system that respects the freedom and community of the users.

If one of these freedoms is missing, then the program is proprietary software, meaning that it keeps the users divided and helpless, and gives the developer power over the users. This is an injustice. Proprietary software should not exist and should not be used.

If you want to have freedom, the only way you can have it while using computers is by rejecting proprietary software.

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>>57208098
Thanks man

>>57208101
i have only made .bash_aliases where i have put some simple shit and tried commands.

>>57209685
stallman bless, brother

I tried /tpg/, but maybe this is a better place to ask.

At the moment I have a clean Windows 7 install on my X220, but I decided I wanted to dual boot with Manjaro. I can clear up room for a partition just fine, but when I try to actually create it and install Manjaro I get an error.

Anyone got any ideas as to what the deal may be? For what it's worth, I'm using an SSD.

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>>57209759
>I get an error.

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>>57209759
>Manjaro
>I get an error.
>Manjaro
>I get an error.

>I get an error.

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>>57209687
I have never heard of bash using a ~/.bash_aliases file. generally, ~/.bash_profile is run for login shells and ~/.bashrc is run for non-login shells.
you should look at the /etc/profile on your system, which is the global initialization script, it might have some weird distro settings that call scripts from other locations
if you don't have any settings that you would want different between login and non-login shells, you can do something like symlink your ~/.bashrc to ~/.bash_profile or the other way around, that way you don't have to worry about keeping them the same, or if you have something additional done for login shells, you can put

. $HOME/.bashrc

as the last line of your ~/.bash_profile

We should fork the OP and drop the "GNU" part.

>>57209918
it used to be "friendly linux thread" before the fucking interject shitposters started sperging out over it every time.

>>57210038
Why not make it something like Friendly Unix-like Thread (FUT or FULT).

>>57209918
I agree but the SJWs never sleep.
>>57210083
Friendly Linux Thread is fine.

>>57210083
how about /lgbt/ for
"Linux Gnu BSD thread"

>>57210126
how about no

>>57210126
bsd and gnu/hurd can make their own threads

>>57202255
Manjaro is great familia

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Is LXQt ready for daily driver yet?

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Speaking of Manjaro

Just updated to 16.10. During the install it mentioned that apparently 4.7.10 is the last maintained version of the Linux4.7 series and that i should probably switch over to 4.8. Should I? what's the real difference? And why not have any LTS for 4.7.X versions anyway?

I haven't noticed much difference in anything other than my laptop getting hotter than before in regards to the update

>>57210385
Actually literally nobody discusses Linux in these threads.

>>57211091
>Fringilla
Where do they get these names.
Kernels and LTS is dictated by the kernel developers.

>>57211091
>what's the real difference?
Improves screenfetch aesthetic

-Search the web for information on a company or organization that is using Linux and tell us about their implementation of Linux.

-Which distro are they using?

-How are they using Linux?

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>>57211706
NASA runs fedora

how do i make this drop the things that localhost 30002 spits back out at me to a file? it has a message it gives me when it's incorrect, and i plan on just removing all instances of that message with grep in the resulting text file. this doesn't work, i ctrl c after a little bit and the text file is empty

#!/bin/bash

for a in `seq  0 9`;
do
  for b in `seq 0 9`;
  do
    for c in `seq 0 9`;
    do
      for d in `seq 0 9`;
      do
        echo "UoMYTrfrBFHyQXmg6gzctqAwOmw1IohZ" $a$b$c$d | nc localhost 30002 > output.txt
      done
    done
  done
done

>>57211725
Thanks. I'll run with that.

>>57211755
what class is it for?

>>57211770
Intro to Unix. I had extra FA money and I've always been interested in Linux so why not? We run Fedora as our distro.

>>57211742
just did it from the command line with > output.txt, nevermind me

>>57211742
Try my solution:

for i in {0000..9999}; do
     nc localhost 30002 <<< "UoMYTrfrBFHyQXmg6gzctqAwOmw1IohZ $i" \
         | grep -v '^I\|^W\|^E' && break
     printf \\r$i
done

>>57211845
i don't think i like bash all that much. it has a lot of constructs made by other people. like {0000..9999}, that's so weird to have that built in to the language

So gtk3.22 broke gvim for me, when starting I get

(gvim:13829): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:138:54: Using one color stop with linear-gradient() is deprecated.

times about 30, then

(gvim:13829): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_set_size_request: assertion 'width >= -1' failed
*** BUG ***
In pixman_region32_init_rect: Invalid rectangle passed
Set a breakpoint on '_pixman_log_error' to debug

And the main part for editing is white. Toolbar on top works and when resizing i get flashing and 'width >= -1' failed spam.
I tried searching vim's github and arch and manjaro's forums for solutions but to no success.

>>57211909
>gvim
What's wrong with good 'ol TUI vim?

>>57211935
Nothing, I just prefer the visuals and a different icon+name than a regular console.

>>57204078
>using yaourt
>not using pacaur

>>57211970
just yum it

>>57212012
>yum

>>57212021
>>57212012
yumyum :^)

>>57211970
>installing third party packages
kids these days

->
-> >>57212025
->

>>57206408
why not just use sshfs?

tfw you make you wm comfy af

>>57209815
>>57209833
Sorry, not thinking too well, haven't been running off much sleep.
I'll try it again tomorrow and see what the actual error is.

Unless I'm missing the Manjaro meme or something.

>>57213203
Dude, take it from me, check the signature of the iso before you do anything else.

If you didn't download the iso from their .org then chances are you've burned a bad iso, and it won't let you install.

Installed Debian Stable. I'm on an early-2008 MacBook Pro. Was able to get past the "black screen" by doing nomodeset in GRUB.

Even though I used the non-free ISO, I apparently still don't have the b43 wireless driver that I need. There is a b43 folder on my USB but it looks empty. I have the main non-free repository enabled but neither Synaptic nor apt in Terminal are able to locate b43-firmware-installer OR linux-firmware-nonfree.

Finally, I know that to stop using the nomodeset I need NVIDIA drivers. It looks like the old ones people talk about are deprecated and I was babied along through the terminal to get libxnvctrl but am not sure if that's all I need.

Truly "enjoying" this. ;_;

>>57213398
Linux 4.8 just came out, which include drivers that could directly help your problem, and your fucking around with old ass Debian stable?

Debian stable is dedicated for servers at this point, get Arch (or any disto adapting 4.8),it'll make your life so much easier

>>57213430
Just downloaded the ISO yesterday and I believe it said that it had been updated this month.

When I read the wiki and shit Debian looked the most appealing to me and I figured that stable might be the most solid bet. Didn't feel like Ubuntu for all of the obvious reasons and didn't want to do something like Arch because I'm a fucking noob and don't want to have to fuck around too much. While the command line has been actually kinda nice while I've been going through this BS, I'm also a fan of having a GUI version already (because babby's first Linux).

>>57213398
>>57213430
>>57213450
To expand on my needs, at this point I really only care about having a browser and office suite (Firefox and LibreOffice). Other than that maybe only like RedShift and a torrent client. Since I'm just fucking around I figure I'll do most things through web apps to start.

>>57213450
>Didn't feel like Ubuntu for all of the obvious reasons
Too babby for you?

>>57213489
A bit and the whole history with Amazon.

But, let's be honest, I still installed Debian Stable with GNOME, so I'm not exactly denying my experience or ability here.

Oh, and a fan controller. This old shit laptop gets really hot in OS X without SMCFanControl.

>>57213337
I did download it directly, and I believe I imaged it with Rufus.

The live boot works, just not the installation.

>>57202886
Openarena, Teeworlds, Mars, Battle for Wesnoth.

What's a good lightweight browser for my netbook? Uzbl looks good but it's using an old version of WebKit.

I take it I'm probably fucked on the b43 thing. I've kept searching but haven't been able to find an actual complete version of the package anywhere for some reason.
>>57213398

>>57213990
Honestly, I'm pretty sure Ubuntu has the best widespread Mac model support, so that's probably the way to go if you want to try Linux without doing too much.

>>57204174
Use pkill on whatever the name of the terminal emulator is. Try another terminal emulator and see if the problem persists. I recommend termite.

>>57205197
You could try nitrogen instead

>>57205666
Clamav

>>57206295
QEMU