Lets talk about Texteditors and why Atom is shit

>>57172665

I don't think many people use it

Because platforms like Electron made it easy for shitters

Atom has Google analytics built in and enabled by default

Sublime is a nice mix.

>>57172764
Is this a good thing?

>>57172779
No? If you can't work out why it's bad what the fuck are you doing here

>>57172665

dunno man, it does the job... it has nice plugins, but I also you brackets and sublime, so it depends on the job, I helps me do my job faster, its not about the tool, its about how you use that tool

>his os isn`t based on JS
lmao enjoy outdated technology

>>57172790
I am here for awesome Gaming PCs, Wallpapers and Apple bashing threads.

What's there to talk? The topic of text editors was finalized in 1985 when rms wrote Emacs 15.34.

A majority of large companies are swapping g to electron for developing their desktop apps. The reason why it's becoming popular to build desktop apps in web development t languages is because they can resize an existing g code base from their website and the applications are cross platform. Normally managing windows, notifications and task bar APIs is in a per OS basis.only sacrifice for a majority of services to use this method is you lose about 1-2 seconds of start up time. A small price to pay for one universal code base.

>>57172866
Jesus my phone fucked that up.

>>57172665
It's what kids learn these days in school.

Java as a teaching language was a mistake.

>>57172898
What does Java have to do with any of this?

>>57172907
node.js

>>57172898
>>57172907
>>57172921

this gave me cancer

>>57172921
You do realize node.js uses JavaScript, and that JavaScript is a completely different thing that has nothing in common with Java?

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>Not using emacs

>Can literally ssh over to your servers and run emacs in console mode to have the same development environment everywhere

>Uses some gay github hipsters node.js software instead

None of you actually program do you?

>>57172665
I use vim too
But from my pov, it could be written in J, I'm fine with it as long as it werks

>>57172936
>that has nothing in common with Java
Except from same fucking syntax.

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>>57172937
>when someone is using Eplebs near me
Hahaaha C-x-b Meta-p-0 A-S-2 amirite?

>Why do so many people think that it's a smart idea to build a desktop application like a fucking website?
Because it's easier than learning C and most people already know webdev.

Favorite editor is nano. I've messed around with emacs but it's never quite felt on par with nano.

>>57172956
They both are somewhat C-like, that's about it. And so are 9999 other languages that are completely different from Java.

>>57172956
>>57172921
excellent multistage bait, if i might say so myself

@57172956
not giving you the (You)s

>>57172968
Is that a picture of Larry wall where he doesn't look like a pedo?

>>57172866
Anyone who actually works in the industry knows this.

Anyone who actually builds real application software people use knows why electron is popular.

I think /g/ might be pure CS students

>>57172956

you mean C syntax?

>>57172665
>Why do so many people think that it's a smart idea to build a desktop application like a fucking website?

works for visual studio code,

>>57172665
Electron really isn't the problem, VS Code is also built with electron and it's great.

>>57173000
>>57172999
nice trips

>>57172665
>atom
slow af
>sublime
nonfree
>vim
too-complicated
>emacs
yak-creature
>np++
just right B) (but aging)

Literally why won't someone make a good text editor already

>>57173016
its called visual studio code.

>>57173032
gag
but maybe ill try it

>>57173016
install sublime. free is shit; and sublime is cross platform (unlike the winshit only np++)

>>57173016
>atom
Hipster garbage
>Sublime
Hipster garbage
>Vim
Acceptable
>Emacs
A hallmark of software engineering
>NP++
>Developing on windows

FTFY

>>57173032
its javascript based shit too

It being a web browser is the good part. The bad part is the startup speed and memory use.

I use it for most things and nano for quick editing/ssh

>>57173058
there are worse mainstream languages than js.

>>57172665
Atom is actually a botnet. Check wikipedia

Why don't they just make it run on the browser you already have installed instead of installing another!!?!?!?!?

>>57173072
true but just to be clear its basically the same with as OPs atom, just from Microsoft

used it for typescript development, not bad not nothing spectacular

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>>57172983

>>57173016
>Vim
>Complicated
>Literally takes 30 minutes to get through vimtutor and then you learn everything on the go

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>>57173094
Holy crap literally stoner bro tier

Why should I care again? If it's about the resources, I have a good system, the amount of memory I'm using makes no difference to me. Either I'm using it or it's sitting there doing shit.

Thoughts on Kate?

>>57173106
>having to think about everything you do in depth just to put characters in a text file
yeah no

I just do everything under visual studio :3

>>57173163
>He's not willing to spend 30 minutes to learn how to efficiently use a much superior product
Here's that Windows attitude

I code in notepad, now fuck all you cia niggers and fuck me in the ass.

>>57173260
No thanks, you're already fucking yourself in the ass

>>57173260
>Implying I would every make love to a pleb

>>57173146
I just using KDE again recently and I missed Kate. It's pretty dope.

I still use nano for almost everything though.

>>57172849
exactly this. why are people treating shit like atom as innovation when emacs has existed for forty years...

>>57172879
>phoneposting

>>57172968
you only have ground to stand on if you use vim

>>57172969
what

>>57173016
try this
https://github.com/mawww/kakoune

>>57173479
I second this

>>57172665
Joe masterrace

>>57172665

Onestly think that's just a meme

Let's just take all the web dogshit, html, javascript, css, node and make a client text editor

One can only imagine the efficiency of that contraption.

Notepad++: c++ and windows api. That's all you cock lover faggots need.

Programmers need to learn how to program, this new age shit needs to end

Only nu-male """coders""" use that shit. Either use vim/emacs or Visual Studio.

>>57173016
for some reason people here give blatant sublime shills a free pass and it's really annoying.

>>57172686

Has more plugins made for it than any other editor.

I don't use it, but other people do.

Also VSCode is made from the same underlying technologies, yet it's much much faster. Goes to show what you can do when you have actual engineers instead of web devs.

>>57173667
Both of those aren't exactly platform agnostic

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>>57172832

I like how you chose to attack the tool they used to write the program instead of attacking any of actual properties of the program.

>>57173727
vim even runs on Amiga OS

>>57172665
It just works m8.

>>57173748
>requires a huge inefficient run-time environment
>not an actual property of the program

>>57173727
If by both of those you mean Emacs and Visual Studio than yes

>>57172986
I know why it's popular, but it's still fucking shit.

>>57172775
>proprietary software

>>57173727
vim runs on more platforms than electron

>>57173789
>>57173809
Emacs too

>>57173789
Welp that's it I guess I'm installing visual studio now

>>57173802
This, unfortunately.

>atom
wtf i hate javascript now

>try open 4 mb file
>it crashes

Is this back to the 90s shit?

I code straight to git lab

Editors are for code monkeys who like to have shiny tools to make it feel like they're actual engineers

Why has no editor besides notepad++ ever got multicursors select and column select right?

>>57174515
t.pajeet

>>57172665
I tried so hard to use it full time. but god damn is it slow and heavy. Excellent idea in practice, but in reality its shit.

Electron != desktop apps! They run slow as balls!

>>57172775
Sublime is only nice if you dont have time to set up a nice VIM config

>>57172775
This.
>>57173802
So what?

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>named after a very small particle of matter
>needs gigabytes of RAM
fucking hipster ironic name

>>57174628
Desktop apps made with Electron can be fast, see Discord. But it's kinda funny that Atom, the de facto Electronc's flagship app is complete garbage.

>>57175174
Explains why discord web and app feel just as clunky.

>>57175216
I don't know, they don't for me. I've been using the Discord app ever since one of the devs posted an unofficial Linux binary and it's been working smooth since then, on the contrary I've been trying out Atom every two months of so ever since I've heard about it and it's always been a laggy piece of shit. Apparently the mileage varies.

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>>57174628
>>57175174
>>57175216
>>57175249
>app
It's time to stop

>not using cat/sed
lmao plebs

>>57175290
App is what you use to refer to shitty software. Its a perfectly.valid term imo

>>57175360
Fair enough, I still think it's fucking annoying though

>>57175354
a
stop reciting babby's first shell commands and use the actual tool for text editing: ed
.
w

>>57175391
Same famalam, so I just wrote some JS that switches "app" with application, I don't really need it and it doesn't """"TRIGGER"""" me but if I can do it why not.

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Using vim at the moment after playing with a few editors.

>sublime
I'm not paying for a text editor in 2016; that just seems ridiculously stupid. I'm also not using a trial version or cracking (a TEXT EDITOR.) Also who the fuck has the audacity to charge $70 (for a TEXT EDITOR)?

>emacs
Good I just prefer the simplicity of vim.

>atom
Did a clean install using apt and after opening the options menu I was barraged with runtime errors. It might be a good editor but that left a bad taste in my mouth.

I think notepad++ and gedit are fine for most people. I am only using vim because I like the idea of using my mouse as little as possible.

>>57173051
Literally -the- correct answer to this thread. Text editors come in two forms: vim and emacs. The GUI abominations that have been calling themselves simple text editors are just half-ass IDEs masquerading as text editors and they have no place in the modern development process. Either use a full IDE for major projects or use a true text editor. The end.

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>hipster tier
atom, vscode, sublime
>ok tier
emacs, vim
>god tier
emacs with evil-mode

>>57175489
>I'm not paying for a text editor in 2016
Then look for a license, it's really easy to get one for free. Someone posted a few licenses once and it worked perfectly.

What VIM add ons are a must have?

>>57176073
what conference is that from?
i don't remember fapping to that one :^)

>>57172665
AltGr (right Alt) key doesn't work properly (registers as Shift + Ctrl or something), which fucks over many users with non-US keyboard layouts, as you have to unbind a shitload of shortcuts and rebind them manually to be able to use basic AltGr functionality. You can get around this with some hacks, but I have never seen a fucking text editor that doesn't have this working out of the box.
I find it really ironic that SJW coders who bark about inclusivity love praising Atom, a fucking text editor that doesn't work with dozens of international keyboard layouts. Check your first work privilege

>>57176779
K, just checked, it is supposedly working right in beta now. Took them a while tho

>VIM
Have to install a plugin manager, dozens of plugins to make it usable and memorise a bunch of non-intuitive commands to even save and exit a file.
>Emacs
How tf do you even install a plugin in this? Sam problem as VIM?
>Sublime
Non-free
>Atom
Just works, tons of great plugins
Ram usage:>1 GB
Fuck me sideways

>>57176949
>(w)rite
>(q)uit
>non-intuitive

>>57176949
For emacs its writing 5 lines in your .emacs file and then you can access/install/download all packages with a simple
M-X package-install
command.

>>57176949
>muh everything must be a button spoonfed into my distended anus-mouth
Proof that the only people who use Atom aren't devs, they're just front-end "code artisan," faggots who will never produce a useful product in their lives.

>>57172764

they are asking for permission at first install

>>57177137
Never did for me.

>>57172937
This. Emacs is the best editor hands down.

>>57177241
You mean vim

The end user wants emacs. Not exactly emacs, but the editing philosophy and extensibility of emacs. Yes, a new keymap for emacs would do this, but they also want it to look like a hollywood hacker UI from the future instead of a hollywood hacker UI from tron.

The developer wants to meet the needs of the end user and get lots of attention and love, but the developer only knows web language garbage

The competent developer that isn't a fucking attention whore sees no point in wasting his valuable time when vim, emacs, and sublime all work well enough and thinks ricer faggots who wants CSS transitions in their syntax highlighting don't deserve nice things anyways

So you get atom

>>57172866
>we save money to fuck you over, forcing you to buy more powerful hardware and "enjoy" less efficienty software

Imagine if the auto industry just gave you the same 4 cyllinder engine with turbos of varying sizes and different tunes to save money

So, you go out to your work truck to haul a load of wood pellets back home for the winter, and spend the next minute holding down the gas pedal and waiting for boost to build.....

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>>57177158

>>57177264
vim is not a programmer's text "editor". it's a text editor in the sense that awk is a text editor. if someone made vawk, would you praise that? vim is meant for heavy text editing, not text creation with the occasional edit

emacs for programming, vim for batch editing
master race

inb4 acme losers

>>57176949
M-x package-list-packages

oh no
learning

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>>57176949
>non-intuitive commands to even save and exit a file.
>:w (write)
>:q (quit)
>:wq (write and quit)
>non-intuitive

>>57177532
And having to drop out of insert mode to do the things you most commonly do after inserting text is kind of stupid.

It's more keystrokes than other editors. For common editing, it's less efficient. Vim doesn't come into its own until you start using it to compose macros to do things like strip HTML tags and rearrange the #declarations in a mismanaged C file faster and more intuitively than you could have ever worked with sed or GNU awk.

>>57177612
>It's more keystrokes than other editors.
How do you delete everything inside brackets in other editors?
In vim you move inside the brackets and do "ci(" or "di(".

Seriously, vim seems convoluted and weird, until you learn about vim motions, then a whole new world opens up.

>>57177685
I just press Ctrl+= for each layer of brackets (alt-number ctrl+= if there's like four) and hit "delete". Ah yeah, you should get a semantically expanding selection plugin for every editor. They even have it for vim.

I usually don't have to hit ctrl+= more than once.

Inner brackets are two strokes
Next layer is (ctrl+=,= delete)
Everything after that is 4 (alt-# ctrl+= delete)

And vim users with stock motions have 4 for everything after the first - #ci(/#di(

I get it, the modifier keys can really start bothering you if you're running it repeatedly, but at that point you're probably composing a macro and I would drop to vim there

but
>not using caps as ctrl when pressed with another key and esc when not
>not having ctrl, esc, and meta on one key because of the way emacs interprets esc
>not attaining nirvana

>>57177790
>Ctrl+=
but how is that intuitive?
vim is "ci*delim*" = "cut in *delimiter*" or "di*delim*" = "delete in *delimiter*"

>>57177840
How is ci intuitive? Are you sure it doesn't mean "create inner *Delim*?

>why did it delete everything in the parens, i wanted a new pair inside them not this fucking vim

It's not intuitive. It's MNENOMIC. Learn the difference.

Am I the only one who uses Geany?

>>57177856
Maybe, but it's still more intuitive than "Ctrl+=" which is just arbitrary.

>>57172665
Sublime masterrace reporting in.

>>57177889
It is in no way intuitive except that it's clear that you are doing an operation with the chosen delimiter. Maybe the i refers to insert mode? Who fucking knows.

I might as well call emacs' massively retarded C-k/C-w combo intuitive because K stands for kill line and W stands for "Why would kill line not be able to kill a region"

>>57177484
Have a (You) on me, you earned it.

>>57177264
>emacs evilmode is vim in emacs
por que no los dos?

>>57178112
airy gayto daysoo

>>57175489
>I'm not paying for a text editor in 2016; that just seems ridiculously stupid. I'm also not using a trial version or cracking (a TEXT EDITOR.) Also who the fuck has the audacity to charge $70 (for a TEXT EDITOR)?
Poorfag amd freetard detected. I have been using sublime alot and its a great text editor, definitely worth $70.
You probably havent even donated $5 to software foundation/community who produces free software that you use daily.

>>57178189
why donate to freetard devs when there's always someone who will produce better, non-GNU styled code for free as a hobby

and probably someone with a real programming job who does it as a hobby instead of a full time amateur....

>>57173146
It is my dafault editor on Windows now.

>>57178214
Because if you find others people work (especially something that is provided for free) useful its nice to show appreciation.

>>57178214
Probably because real programmers use the best tools and not pajeet shit made for marketing teams of non-developers.

>>57178189
>Sublime costs money
>It's functionally worse than emacs and vim, which are free

>Bram Moolenar does not ask that you pay him, only a charity in uganda

>GNU's own programmers are a bane unto emacs and you should probably never donate to them in hopes that it passes into the hands of new hats who believe that decent UI conventions trump tradition

>>57178340
>GNU's own programmers are a bane unto emacs
Is XEmacs still a thing?

>>57178435
nope
ded

Read the emacs 25 changelog/news for a dull feeling of dread and horror

>>57172665
>Why do so many people think that it's a smart idea to build a desktop application like a fucking website?

There are not any cross platform GUI libraries that look as good as HTML/CSS/JavaScript

All of the effort that went into desktop GUI libraries is dwarfed by the amount of effort that went into HTML/CSS/JavaScript (later stuff)/Chrome

gnus is beyond unusable holy shit why do they even include it in emacs

>>57173048
notepad++ is god tier faggot.

Also mousepad on Linux does great job too.

>>57178650
gnus is the only reason I ever used emacs

>vim
>not emacs

>>57175489
what causes the scar on the niggas head?

JavaScript more like JavaShit

>>57172665
So why does the language it was written in matter if it works? It's just a text editor

You havent explained a thing you are just being an elitist autist for no reason

>>57179591
rofl

Is kate good?

>>57179643
it does matter because atom is slow, cant handle big files, has google analytics build into it and enabled by default and when you uninstall it on windows, it doesnt remove "Open with Atom" from explorer.

most likely because they wrote it javascript

>>57172665
Because it'll work everywhere until the end of time so go fuck yourself.

>>57178851
>Cephalopod posting

Atom reminds me a lot of Emacs:

>Emacs is built on top of a LISP interpreter, Atom is built on top of a javascript interpreter. Neither is common for building desktop applications nor text editors.

>Both are famously slow (desu Emacs is even slower than Atom)

>You have a vast collection of plugins to do pretty much any stupid thing you could imagine.

Currently I used Atom + vim-mode-plus for Go in the office, it's really nice.

>>57177425
>Imagine if the auto industry just gave you the same 4 cyllinder engine with turbos of varying sizes and different tunes to save money

You know that's exactly what they're doing, right?
Cars are getting more and more powerful with smaller engines.
My 2.0L Audi from 2003 isn't able to keep up with a modern turbocharged 1.2/1.4L engine.
Its not about the technology you use but how you use it. Just because something is cheaper to make doesn't mean its bad if you have the right engineers do the job.

Not that americunts would understand that.
>HURR MY 6.5L V8 WILL REK ANYTHING M8 LISTEN TO THIS THING

>>57172665
Literally why the fuck would anyone care. If it gets the job done efficiently with your workflow, who gives a shit. Vim gets the job done for me.

>>57180954
This is not the time for rationality.

Seriously though, learn to touch type. That matters more than any tooling you can do.

>>57178340
>>Bram Moolenar does not ask that you pay him, only a charity in uganda
Exacltly, this just shows how cucked vim is. vim might be good but its developer is a cuck

I use it because I have 16gb and need an excuse to fill it.

>>57172665
I use vim
No meme
It is insanely good once you get used to how you move in a file

How do you even indent correctly in Sublime?
With Emacs you just tab and everything is good.
Sublime mess up with your whole thing.

>>57177447
If they changed the wording to "No, I don't want to be spied on" and "Yes, I want to be spied on" I wonder how much the default choice would change.

I use vim, it's just the best interface for text editing.

I also really like TUI applications, in fact I'm working on a terminal emulator to improve performance and extend with fancy features in a cancer/vim coupled scenario.

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>>57172665
Can your shitty editor do THIS?

>>57172665
Atom
>looks great by default
>has shit loads of useful plugins
>just werks if you have a modern pc

I've used dozens of text editors and while I don't agree with how it was built, there's no denying it does it's job well.

XCode master bedroom race

>>57172665
>Why do so many people think that it's a smart idea to build a desktop application like a fucking website?
Because the tools to build websites have become very flexible and powerful? What exactly is your objection here? If it's performance, well then let's fix it. Integration? Let's fix it. Footprint? Let's fix it.

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>>57182540
>Said the web dev.

ya'll are talking shit about web dev and all of the flavor of the month JS frameworks but the guys working with them are getting all the jobs lmao

test

>>57182697
lmao

>>57174634
Or you're on Windows.

Yes I'm aware VIM can be installed on Windows, but last I tried it was a bitch to setup.

>>57172665
>Hackable text editor

WOW! That sure would be fucking radical with my Happy Hacking Keyboard! Haha totes bro!

>>57182793
I know you love memes but Atom is ridiculously extensible.

>>57182771
In what way exactly is vim a bitch to setup on windows? Terminal or gvim?

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>>57177484
I bet that was hard work.

>>57182129
very powerful

>>57182865
i love how acme is pretty much the anti-thesis to emacs but jesus christ it crashes all the time here

so does the plumber

>>57173802
So is Photoshop, OneNote and every other alternative that are superior to their open source counterparts.

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>>57172820
>implying codemonkeys can code something remotely close to hardware.

>>57182771
>>57182837
I use cygwin to run gvim on windows and it was kind of weird to set up, but it's nice cause I literally just copied my .vim folder from my linux install into cygwin and now my vim behaves nicely.
I suggest using cygwin for any kind of development on windows and I can show anyone interested how to set up gvim in their cygwin install.

I have heard a lot of good things about Atom that makes me want to use it, but the HTML/node.js part actually affects me trying to use it (takes for fucking ever to start up, generally feels clunky). Maybe one day I'll figure it out, but the only condition where I switch over to it full time is if it implements a majority of vim's functionality.

>>57183216
Why not just use vim?

>>57173163
Not when you're fluent. Switching to normal primitive text editors is a pain in the ass for me now that I don't have the keybindings of vim.

>>57173715
I used sublime for a long time before I switched to vim. It supports an OK portion of vim commands which is nice; the feature it has that I really wish vim had is multiple cursors. That's not enough for me to switch, however.

>>57183241
font color weirdness
doesn't interpret all commands the same because of how terminals work
nice to have a dedicated window for gvim when switching windows a lot

I'll still use command line vim often when I'm making quick edits but when I'm diving into a project I usually just fire up gvim and work in there.

>>57183142
The real OneNote is being retired and no one can stop it because it's proprietary.

>>57177447
>We only register that you opted out
Disgusting.

>>57183316
>google sees that you opted out, knows you've got something to hide, doubles up spying on all of the services you weren't able to avoid

>>57182865
>acme
Someone seriously needs to make an acme 2.0: a modern acme. Maybe programmed in Go, that would be poetic

>>57183482
im honestly surprised no 9fan autist has done it yet

it's not like it would be the first time acme was rewritten either, it was rewritten in limbo for inferno

>>57183517
/g/tard calling 9fans autists.
Thats a bit rich.

>>57183517
>>57183555 tribs
I'm half tempted just for the [spoiler]fun[/spoiler] of it

Honestly, though, if someone combined the best of
sublime, emacs, vim, np++ and acme into one lightweight (no javascript) editor I would be very happy

>>57183636
>best of sublime, emacs, vim, np++ and acme into one
How the fuck you plan on doing that?
A fully programmable editor (emacs) with a robust enough API would achieve this, only that you could implement every other editor inside of it.

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>>57172775
>>57173048
>>57177908
>>57178189
>sublime
>using a proprietary editor when vim and emacs exist

back to >>>/v/ and never come back, you fucking degenerates

>>57172665
does your employer know youre decades behind the times in terms of basic industry standard knowledge and practices?

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>>57184257
>posting le gentoo man that labels other people's software as his own

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>>57182697
t. Me

OLDFAGS BTFO

>>57183482
>Modern acme

Having modern shit like ctrl+s to save in acme would violate the autism way because A: keyboards are only for text input except when B: the key macro is UNIX tradition. Having support for spaces in file names would add up to 50 lines of code and make acme bloated. Etc.

If acme is to be acme and not an insult to acme that makes everyone who would ever consider using such a pile of shit over emacs mad as hell, it must be shit.

>>57172665
Whats wrong with that? Are you poor?

>>57173032
Slow af
Non free

>>57180237
A modern turbocharged 1.4l 4 banger can't keep up with a modern V8, or a modern turbocharged V8 for that matter. And that's for lightweight cars as opposed to vehicles primarily used for towing. Keep your shitbox to leisure laps on the burgerkingring, please.

No displacement for replacement.

>>57180228
>emacs is slow
you wot

>>57175489
>Good I just prefer the simplicity of vim.

>modal
>simplicity

I vim on cygwin
But lately i just installed bash on Windows 10
It's literally an automated Ubuntu terminal installation

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coming through with best editor~

>>57179695
yes

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>>57182129
>mfw this is one of the most popular packages with 400k downloads

>>57186200
>cygwin
Why not just the official Windows port?

>>57181973
>slow hacky TUI instead of just using gvim

>>57176779
Hah, I wasn't the only one then. I switched to VSC because of that and never turned back.

>>57183163
haven't seen that one before, laughed out loud

people actually use (AND PAY FOR?!) sublime? i thought it was a meme

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>>57172665
>Why do so many people think that it's a smart idea to build a desktop application like a fucking website?

The way I see it, this just opens it up to a wider range of people who have the skills required to build plugins and other customization's for it. I can understand to a point why some people don't like that line of thought but I personally think that's a great asset for it. Does it make the program more bloated that it would be on a more standard framework? Absolutely, but I think that's a worthwhile trade off and on any decent computer its going to make almost no perceivable difference.