Online privacy doesn't matter. Privacy is bad and anti-social.

Snowden > Manning > Assange.
Snowden carefully and consciously sifted through the data he had access to in order to release the most harmful and important information while protecting others. He worked closely with his outlets in order to determine what was able to be released without further endangering citizens or members of the military.

Manning was an idiot, but had information that the government was genuinely lying about in public.

Assange is a petty, partisan gossip and nothing more. When was the last real and important WikiLeaks? WikiLeaks was a "force for good" back when it operated like an actual Wiki, where journalists and other muckrakers could post information that endangered others without endangering themselves. Now he uses it as his personal dumping grounds and media circus.

>Le I have nothing to hide meme
You just watched a youtube video that illegally uses copyrighted content, are you ready to pay a fine, you fucking criminal?

>>57169767
Thank you for correcting the record.

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>nothing to be ashamed of
>posts on 4chan

fatal flaw in your meme there friend

>>57169837
One of the most true things on /g/ I have seen in a while. UpSnowden'd

>>57170790
I'm a libertarian, so no one is going to persecute me for my political beliefs.

No one is going to care that I fap to twinks and shemales because it's not 2003 anymore.

I'm non-religious, just like everyone else around here, so no one is going to persecute me for my religious beliefs.

I have nothing to be ashamed of and I have no criminal record.

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>it's another le "people should only be able to exist within the overton window" meme episode

>>57169837
>Snowden > *
Proof that weebs are the smartest and the most intelligent

>>57170904
You're a libertarian but you want a government program to spy on people?

For the record, I'm a Christian but don't believe in God/Jesus.

>>57170997
>You're a libertarian but you want a government program to spy on people?

Sure why not. People have credit ratings. Why shouldn't there be other ratings?

We don't expect any privacy from our peers anymore, so why should the government or the population have privacy from each other?

Markets can't take place without accurate information.

>>57170904
Where do you live that you can just tell anyone you're into shemales and they'd be okay with it?

>>57171023
>We don't expect any privacy from our peers anymore

>this bait
You're not even trying.

>>57171025
Southwestern Canada

>>57171049
Thanks for making sure I knew that, I don't want to treat Canadians as equals.

Well if someone want to blackmail you, they can put pedo stuff on your pc, but it's a rare meme and can be solved. Spying is an issue as the government must have a warrant to use it against people who may have criminal connections, not on politicians or businessman or even you for whatever reason.
Who wants a peep like Queen Hillary or Emperor Trump? :^)

>>57171059
>Spying is an issue as the government must have a warrant to use it against people who may have criminal connections, not on politicians or businessman or even you for whatever reason.

They don't need a warrant. The NSA already does it without warrants. Also, the 4th Amendment doesn't apply to email.

if it was a free for all and not punishable by jail time sure but allowing government to do it legally and not citizens is very anti-libertarian

>>57171069
I'm not ameriburger. In short they can fuck off!

>>57169837
This poster is 110% correct.

>>57170904
When you stop being 14 years old, you'll realise that lurking 4chan isn't socially acceptable.

>>57171104
Even better. The NSA can legally do whatever they want to your data. I bet you use a bunch of American websites.

>>57171113

4chan is normie tier. Hate chan is unacceptable, and I don't go there.

It's not 2007 anymore. Half the Anons are The Fappening fags who stuck around.

>>57169767
Private individuals - private data
Public institutions - public data

Don't know what you get so confused about.

>>57170997
>I'm a Christian but don't believe in God/Jesus.
How does that even work? You oppose gay marriage and abortions and brown people, you just don't believe in God.

That's not called Christian, anon. That's called a Republican.

>>57169837
>Manning was an idiot
>Assange is a petty, partisan gossip and nothing more

You are an absolute imbecile.

>>57171023
Your reasoning is flawed. You get a credit rating voluntarily, spying is involuntarily. As a libertarian, I would assume you knew the difference between being forced and being free to.

reminder that modern analysts are lazy faggots who rely on software and dont produce any actionable intelligence

http://www.zdnet.com/article/nsa-whistleblower-overwhelmed-with-data-ineffective/

>>57171119
>It's not 2007 anymore. Half the Anons are The Fappening fags who stuck around.
The fappening is massively frowned by everyone who isn't an angry teenage boy, and people are currently waging a war against so-called revenge porn.

Do you even read the news?

>>57171136
You don't get a credit rating voluntarily any more than you get a test score voluntarily. Not sure what you mean by that. Banks and credit card companies ask for credit ratings all the time, and I never asked anyone to rate my credit.

>>57171140

No one cares about porn.

>>57171126
Read context. Libertarian promote minimal or nonexistent government, the memer libertarian want's a big black camera in his asshole too.

>>57171143
>Banks and credit card companies ask for credit ratings all the time, and I never asked anyone to rate my credit.
They ask for your credit rating, you can say no or yes. In either way, you are aware that it's happening.

If you're spied on, it's something you didn't agree to and it's something that you are most likely unaware of.

>No one cares about porn.
Revenge porn isn't "regular" porn, you dolt. There's currently a guy facing a 15 year sentence because he shared some photos of his ex and others' exes on snapchat.

>>57171144
That's because he's either trolling or he's just 14 and doesn't really know what a libertarian is.

>>57169767
>You wouldn't want to be invisible if you had nothing to be ashamed of.
>sweboo
>swe
>sweden
Try coming out as a Sweden Democrats supporter in Sweden and see what happens. Antifas will destroy your house, you will lose your job and there will be no chance whatsoever of you ever getting a proper job again.

Privacy is one of the core principles of a democracy and without it you're living in a de facto dictatorship.

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>there are fags on /g/ who support revenge porn laws

how about women stop being filthy whores

>>57169837

>Assange
>partisan

You really think Assange gives one shit about Democrat vs. Republican? He's trying to tear apart the cesspool in Washington.

>Wikileaks was an actual wiku
Wikileaks has always vetted their sources, they couldn't have a 100% accurate track record if they didn't. They have never indiscriminately allowed people to leak whatever they wanted.

>>57171143
If you don't understand the inherent difference in private corporations asking you to give some information voluntarily and the government actively spying on you in order to gather evidence against you under the assumption that you are a potential criminal and/or terrorist, then you are utterly retarded.

>>57171170
>You really think Assange gives one shit about Democrat vs. Republican?
Yes, he has a massive grudge against Hillary and that's proven by Wikileaks recently linking to that blog post thing (claiming that Hillary wanted to assassinate Assange using drones) without any fact checks what so ever and then it turned out it was some story fabricated in Kreml.

>>57171167
We don't, we're just pointing out that 4chan isn't mainstream.

>>57171153
>They ask for your credit rating, you can say no or yes. In either way, you are aware that it's happening.

That's not what "voluntarily having a credit rating" means. You don't choose to have one.

They determine your credit rating by spying on you without your consent. They use all of your bank records and credit history to do it, and they don't need your permission.

>>57171153
>Revenge porn isn't "regular" porn

It also doesn't appeal to me, so I don't care. Why shouldn't someone be charged for sharing porn of someone without their consent? You can't even distribute normal movies that way. I know you GNUfags hate IP, but get real.

>>57171162

They have like 27% of the vote there. Hardly a marginalized group.

>>57171172
>asking you to give some information voluntarily
It's not voluntary.

you guys realize ur property of the capital CORPORATION OF THE UNITED STATES, right?

why would they care about the rights of their slaves lel

>>57171192

>story fabricated by the Kremlin

It wasn't. Even Hillary admited to saying (though she said it was a "joke"). Assange hates Hillary and the American establishment, but that's not a partisan view at all. I'm sure he holds the hundreds of Republicans and neocons who called for his assassination in equal contempt.

>>57171198
>That's not what "voluntarily having a credit rating" means. You don't choose to have one.
It is, you agree to it by accepting the terms of the credit card. You can choose not to have a credit card, which is highly impractical, but it is voluntarily.

>They determine your credit rating by spying on you without your consent. They use all of your bank records and credit history to do it, and they don't need your permission.
See above, it's clearly stated int their terms and conditions.

>It also doesn't appeal to me, so I don't care. Why shouldn't someone be charged for sharing porn of someone without their consent? You can't even distribute normal movies that way. I know you GNUfags hate IP, but get real.
The point was that 4chan is considered a cesspool of human filth by normal people, you fucking moron. Stop shifting the goal post.

>It's not voluntary.
It is. They inform you that they rate you. No one forces you to have a bank account or a credit card.

>>57171211
>Even Hillary admited to saying (though she said it was a "joke")
Except her words were: I didn't say anything like that, and in the case I did, it was obviously meant as a joke.

In any way, the story was backed up with zero proof whatsoever, so why even bother linking to it?

>Assange hates Hillary and the American establishment, but that's not a partisan view at all. I'm sure he holds the hundreds of Republicans and neocons who called for his assassination in equal contempt.
Maybe.

>>57171217
I had a credit rating before I had a credit card. I remember Rogers and Telus asking about it.

My friends use 4chan.

>>57171232
>I had a credit rating before I had a credit card.
That's actually not possible, stop lying.

>My friends use 4chan.
Nice anecdote, nobody gives two shits about your two 14 year old friends. Read the media, 4chan is highly frowned upon and a couple of years ago there was even a guy that got fired from some office job for browsing 4chan while he was working.

>>57171226

>zero proof

Yeah, you're the same fags pushing a crazy conspiracy that Trump is a Russian puppet with the same amount of proof. Cry your crocodile tears about a lack of evidence all you want.

>>57171232
>asking about it
How so, when your fucking argument is that this happens entirely without your consent or knowledge?

>>57171246
They checked with my bank and approved my cell plan.

>muh sekrit clubhouse!

>Out all gays and trans people in Saudi Arabia

Congrats, Anon. You just helped commit genocide.

>>57171248
>you are
I'm not, you fucking idiot. Also, two wrongs don't make a right.

>>57171232
You can opt out from using a bank's service altogether. You can't opt out of the governments spy program.

Also, if you don't understand the difference of intent (assuming your a criminal and recording everything to use against you vs wanting to gather data about your financial status), you're a massive retard.

>>57171255
>my bank
lol

Also
>checked with my bank and approved my cell plan
If you're a swede, that's not a credit rating. That's to check if you have any betalingsanmerkninger, which is a different thing entirely.

>>57171198
>They have like 27% of the vote there. Hardly a marginalized group.
That's a gross overestimation, currently they have only 13% in the Riksdag (2014 election) and the polls show them being stuck at 20%.

The SD is the only opposition, if they were to have 49.9% of the vote ALL the other parties would form a coalition together just to keep them out of power.

>>57171255
If you put money in someone else's bank you agreed to their terms and conditions... This is something you willingly and knowingly did by your own.

Btw, as a true libertarian, you should start your own bank.

>>57169767
Over the last 16 months, as I've debated this issue around the world, every single time somebody has said to me, "I don't really worry about invasions of privacy because I don't have anything to hide." I always say the same thing to them. I get out a pen, I write down my email address. I say, "Here's my email address. What I want you to do when you get home is email me the passwords to all of your email accounts, not just the nice, respectable work one in your name, but all of them, because I want to be able to just troll through what it is you're doing online, read what I want to read and publish whatever I find interesting. After all, if you're not a bad person, if you're doing nothing wrong, you should have nothing to hide." Not a single person has taken me up on that offer.
Glenn Greenwald in Why privacy matters

>>57171255
Sverige har ikke credit ratings. Betalingsanmerkninger er noe annet.

>>57171271


>two wrongs don't make a right

Who is bring wronged by Hillary's corruption bring exposed?

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>>57171283
meh snowden has a better quote

>>57169767
>Online privacy doesn't matter. Privacy is bad and anti-social.
>Explain to me why 4chan encrypts
>their disks/SSDs, uses a VPN, and doesn't use social media

Ok, but first post your real name, address, phone#, ssn, id#, photo, credit card#, bank account#, usernames, passwords, and a link to the contents of your hard drive. Then, after you've shown that you're not just a hypocrite, we can discuss it.

>>57171308
>democrats are making speculative allegations against Trump because of his lack of transparency and open appraisal of Russia and Putin, so lets allow Assange and the Russians to interfere in American elections by making false accusations against Hillary, that's only fair!!!

>2012
>/g/: Privacy Fuck Year!
>Fuck Bush!

>2016
>/g/: Privacy Bad!
>I'm with Her!

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>>57171316

>by making false accusations

Her emails speak for themselves. The fact that she "can't recall" saying she wanted to assassinate a whistle blower is troubling either way.

>>57171343
So you're saying that a drone strike on Assange would be a *bad* thing? Personally, I'd do a little dance.

>>57169767
>If Anon is a Drumpf supporter
Yes, I am. I think that society is tired of f*cking tolertards and need I a one with slight right-wing ideas.

>hates women,
I don't hate women but I don't like them either. I think that they make me more bad than good.

>and lives with his mom as a NEET
I live with my mom, but I have a job. I'd already lived alone. Now it's because it's cheaper, I want more time for learning of math, etc, to enchance my skills, after that a leave my parents again.

>>57171316
>SOME OF THE EMAILS ARE FALSE
>no specific examples give
>BUT SOME OF THEM ARE FALSE

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>>57169767
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

>>57171283
I agree with a lot of what Greenwald says, but I do disagree with this particular statement, which does get mentioned a lot.

No one wants you, or any other individual to have their data.

But people are far too trusting of their government. They don't care about the government having a massive database of everyone information and metadata. After all, there is no way anyone could possibly look through it all manually, right?
Most people are completely unaware of the fact that the field of data mining and our ability to analyse and make use of collected data is in its complete infancy.

My response tends to be is that its not about them. Can they take responsibility and happily say that on behalf of every single person they love and care about? No one they care about has, or ever will have any reason to want to information from a corporation or the government, whether its for their job or just a precaution?

>>57171358

I'm saying that drone striking a foreign embassy in order to make a martyr out of a journalist is a terrible idea.

Jesus, there used to be a time when liberals hated the establishment, now you all are its biggest supporters.

>>57171283
The government doesn't know your passwords. They don't need them. They just intercept emails.

>>57171298
I don't speak snow nigger.

>>57171310

I have nothing to hide, but I don't feel like getting swatted either. I use a tripcode on a board that is archived. I think that shows that I have a lot less to hide than most of you fags.

>>57171343
The assassination thing wasn't in any of the emails, it was a standalone blog post wikileaks simply linked to

>>57171386

And I'm saying that if she honestly can't recall making the statement then it says alot about her morals that she can't remember if she wanted to assassinate a journalist. It's not something that just slips your mind.

>>57171374
>I think that shows that I have a lot less to hide than most of you fags.
This is what tripfags actually believe. Also, it's only archived for a brief period of time.

>>57171400
rebeccablacktech is permanent, newfag.

>>57171393
These statements may or may not have been made. It's irrelevant as long as there is no proof that she did. You know better than this.

>>57170790
Source on that picture?

>>57171412
>permanent
Okay, find a post that's older than two years then.

>>57171374
Then post it, hypocrite. Stop making lame excuses. Or did you change your mind about privacy being bad, pedo?

>>57171365
See >>57171386

The assassination is something a Russian blog claimed she said, it has nothing to do with the emails.

>>57169767
>If Anon is a Drumpf supporter, hates women, and lives with his mom as a NEET, I want to know about it, so I can avoid him.
Oh believe me, you'll know.

Still, privacy is important. Selective reporting of the truth is dangerous and if someone knows everything about you they can paint a pretty biased picture. This is especially disconcerting if it's used in a court case.

>>57171413

Her statement made it pretty obvious that she either said it or genuinely doesn't remember. She made an excuse for the statement and then qualified the excuse by saying "if I said these things." There's an implicit admission of guilt while she is able to explicitly deny the statement.

>>57171418
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT!!!

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S37482073#p37486233

>>57171192
The difference is that unlike Trump, Hillary has been a part of government for years, so when you release government papers, you will obviously have more info on Hillary

>>57171428
Privacy is problematic. Getting swatted is bad.

>>57169767
>I don't know the difference between privacy and whistle blowing when someone does illegal shit

Kill yourself, op. Everyone is entitled to privacy, and everyone is entitled to jail time if they break the law. If you honestly can't tell the difference between information like where you live and what your name is, versus being a fucking criminal who covers up the deaths of journalists mistaken as the Taliban, hiding secret prisons where people are detained without reason, and being caught deleting evidence that you broke federal law, you're a fucking idiot.

Wikileaks reports criminal activity. It's everyone's civic duty to do that.

>>57171480
Hillary Clinton never broke the law.

>redditor meltdown in 3, 2, 1...

>>57169767
Why are the walls of your house not made of glass and why are your clothes not transparent?

Why dont you start by posting all your passwords here?

>>57171487
Then why did she disobey court orders and delete evidence?

>>57171025
>Where do you live that you can just tell anyone you're into shemales and they'd be okay with it?
That would be any non muslim country nowadays.

>>57169767
>supports Hillary even though she has deleted 1000's of secret documents that resulted in the deaths of multiple people
>Hillary doesn't care, she also doesn't care that her husband is a rapist of all ages

>You wouldn't want to be invisible if you had nothing to be ashamed of.
it's illegal to speak the truth in my country. If you look at the statistics and it says black people steal more and you say that you go to prison for being a racist.

Also would you like it for your insurance company to know all your illnesses and your diet?
also privacy protects you against criminals that want to fake you to act illegally in your name, so that they are scotch free while you are in prison.

>If Anon is a Drumpf supporter, hates women, and lives with his mom as a NEET, I want to know about it, so I can avoid him. I don't want to treat him as an equal.
so everyone would know if you have ever watched porn. everyone would know your search history. everyone could know your back account number and its key so everyone could just empty your bank account.

>>57169767
>Privacy is bad and anti-social.
Prove it. Post your verified name, address, phone number, place of work, email and password. Thanks.

>>57171625
>I'm a huge fag and I want to SWAT you.

>>57169767
yes, you should hack in to my PC and find that i am your average boring person, i have a collection of music mp3 files and some porn, and a few documents & photos of items that i find interesting like ham & shortwave radio, but nothing illegal, and after you poked around looking in my PC you will realize i am not very interesting and harmless

>>57169767
In the US at least, citizens have certain rights pertaining to privacy guaranteed to them by the constitution. If you feel you've no use of this right, you're free to forfeit it at your leisure and sharing whatever you like with anyone you choose. However, the rights of others who don't feel so inclined must not be infringed, by you, or the government.

>>57169767
What happens when you have a government like Nazi Germany or the USSR? The secret police will have free reign to track citizens and know everything they have ever said and will say. So for example ultra left wing governments can continue to push the PC narrative to the point they have literal thought police arresting people for saying the wrong thing on the internet which is very possible in the future. Not saying it will happen but it is possible to occur in at least one country in our lifetime.

This is why I learn about infosec & opsec so that I know how to have secure communications if the need was ever too arise in 20-40 years time.

I'd rather not be a public person and choose myself what people should know about me, thanks

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>>57170904
>nothing to hide
>it's the current year
(You) (You) (You) (You) (You)