/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Old thread >>57153071

how'd I do managing cables
Not that it matters I don't have a window
6600k and 1070, meme 3000mhz ram too

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>>57168078

Noob here?
What's the disadvantages of microATX vs full ATX motherboards?

>>57168164
ATX is bigger and may have more slots
But as you can see here >>57168090 mATX is definitely enough for a normal setup

>>57168164
Nothing directly.

Although if you get a smaller case, airflow may be constricted.

>>57168189
Sorry, really just musing right now as I'm waiting on a career change to build a new PC
But does something like the Fractal Design Node 804 have good cooling?
I have no clue about Thermodynamics and air flow

Nice another thread.
What do you guys think about waiting for the next gen of Intel processors I have noticed that the only major change was when sandy bridge came out after that the performance increase has been somewhat minimal in comparison. Should it be expected that it continues like this?

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>>57168164
mATX is smaller.
That's literally it. You get fewer expansion slots.
You don't honestly even need full atx for multi-gpu setups. This is on the extreme end and the case isnt suited to it, but this is two dual-gpu cards.

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>>57168347
that is a fuckin boss sleeper.

Zotac 1060 3G Mini or Sapphire RX 470 4G Nitro? (same price)

Looking for a new power supply to replace my Seasonic S12II-620 cause of the whole modular thing. Is a EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 any good?

Looking to transition to mini ITX form factor. Already have the hard drive and video card in the build, looking to spend around four hundred for the rest of the parts. Any recommendations on how to better allocate the budget?
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/K6WV4C

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>>57168374
I have no idea how he stopped it from bursting into flames

>>57168347
Would it be the same then mini ITX? just less slots?
Sounds like a great thing if you aren't planning on spending a ton of money for an epic gaymen rig with two high end graphics cards

>>57168529
are those noise dampening thinggamings?

>>57168570
mITX is smaller again

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>>57168595
But then there's STX

>>57168611
Kaby Lake has native 4K encoding, a great igpu and is 1151 like this mobo
Is this the next shitposting machine form factor?

>>57168637
>4K encoding
Nigger, what the fuck are you talking about?
4K is a large, independent resolution, it don't involve no encoding

>>57168347
I have yet to see a case which can fit a matx but not an atx. Smallest case i found always have 4 pci slots and no less.

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>>57168570
Mini-ITX is different because now you're having to cram all the VRMs and everything else onto an incredibly small board. With mATX this isn't an issue because you've still got plenty of room, but mITX is way way way smaller than that.

Which is really only a serious concern if you're using a power hungry chip or planning on overclocking.

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>>57168670
That's because mATX has 4 expansion slots?
TJ08 is a great mATX only case.

>>57168662
I think he meant decoding, e.g. playback.

>>57168706
4K H.264 decoding is still possible on nearly all modern CPUs. It's most people's internet that can't handle the bandwidth required for 4K H.264 encoded videos.

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>6700k is 7.8
>4770k is 8.1
>recommends the 6700k
wtf

>>57168670
MATX has 4 slots and can sometimes need 5 slots of using multiple gpus with one on the end slot, I'm using a coolermaster N200 case

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>>57168036
>GTX 1050 and 1050Ti will be released on the 25th
awesome, this upgrade has been a long time coming

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are 1070 prices going to come down anymore? now around 400 on amazon...

>>57168730
Early Skylakes were hindered by a fault that impacted certain benchmarks
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/220953-skylake-bug-causes-intel-chips-to-freeze-in-complex-workloads
Clock-per-clock, the Skylake performs barely 5% better than Broadwell at multi-threaded benchmarks, which itself was only 7% better than Haswell. Single-threaded benchmarks are neck and neck.

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>>57168706
>>57168750
Welp, sorry for being ignorant, I have a ga-h61m-ds2 which only has 3 pci slots and thought that was standard.
Back to my lurking hole, i suppose.

>>57168755
>are they going to drop below MSRP
>being poor

>>57168777
Ok, so would I just be better off waiting for the next tock release, or has the bug been resolved in Kaby Lake?
I picked up a Lynnfield as prices dropped, then was pissed when with the release of Sandy Bridge, they switched from 1156 to 1155.

>>57168809
Technically mATX is just the physical size of the board and not the number of expansion slots, so you're not completely wrong

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/dZVsKZ
Is this fine for 1440p?

Is 400 dollars enough to get a lower end, but still servicable gaming computer? I'd like to start small, but gradually upgrade to more higher end parts. Came across this website:

https://elitegamingcomputers.com/good-cheap-gaming-computers/

And the 300 dollar option sounded good to me, (Newer games can still be played on Low-Med settings, can be upgraded, costs around 330 dollars)

But I'd like other opinions.

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>>57168892
Yeah, the thing is I also have a case with 4 pci slots and the mentioned mobo doesn't reach all the way to the last slot. Slightly triggered but nothing major.

I have 2x8GB 3000mhz ram, is it stupid to want two more sticks to fill the slots?
Ever since I heard Kaby lake is coming out and likely to be the last 1151 CPU I've had a sudden urge to maximize my z170 platform

>>57169130
mATX has to do with the mounting holes on the board itself as well as the MAXIMUM dimensions. And mATX board can be shorter or narrower than the standard, but it can not exceed them.

>>57168611
From what I can tell newegg isn't even selling DDR4 for that mobo? It's 204pin

>>57168755
380 is MSRP, only thing that could change that is cheap RX490

>>57168867
Depends on what you have now and whether it meets your needs. Kaby Lake will be on LGA1151 also

>>57168933
It's fine, could get cheaper components

>>57169067
Depends on what you think is minimum and how quickly you're going to upgrade. I'd say this is minimum
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/Jhyf7P
Definitely wait for 1050Ti reviews/benchmarks.

>>57169146
I filled your mom's slots last night

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>>57169156
I thought computer parts have to be perfectly accurate when it comes to dimensions, guess there's leeway for everything.
Thanks for the clear up, you're a really cool anon.

>>57169243
Bend over and let me fuck your fat ass raw. It's been a while since my hips were chafed by asshairs.

>>57169130
I have a biostar board that's mATX but only has two PCI slots
It was annoying because the topmost one was a x1 slot while the bottom was x16

Back again
Home server v3: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/gRZkD8

Whats wrong with it/what can I do better?

Uses:
>VM host (2-3 vms)
>NAS/owncloud/plex media server
>seedbox (maybe)

>>57169298
>topmost one was a x1 slot while the bottom was x16
If it's the mobo with the horizontal DIMM slots on the top of the motherboard, then that's because Biostar put their CPU socket lower than normal and they needed to make room for a large aftermarket cooler.

>>57168036
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/MJsyFd
first draft of my first build ever. looking to make it cheaper without sacrificing too much performance. Can anyone help?

>>57169366
Right, I'm from Australia, and the purpose is to play modern video games at 50-60fps at high quality or better. Is a gtx1060 over the top? It's goddamn expensive, but I don't want to stint on the graphics card if it will make a noticeable difference.

>>57169366
Drop to an i3 6100 or i5 6500. Can drop to B150 or keep the Z170 for overclocking an i7
Get a budget SSD
Get a 550W PSU

>>57169366
>>57169396
Lower PSU. You can also get a slightly lower mobo, if you like.

You are missing the HSF.

If you really want to squeeze the budget, you can drop the SSD, and add one when you can afford it. Alternatively, if you do not have any movies/series/amine right now, get just the SSD, and buy the HDD when you can afford it.

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>>57168243
>I have no clue about Thermodynamics and air flow

When PC innards don't get enough airflow, they get hotter than they would if they had enough airflow.

Building a dual-xeon workstation computer, I'd like some input on the core components. I've left out some parts since I haven't fully decided on storage devices or add-on cards.

P/S unit will be picked out once my parts list is finalized and know how much wattage I need.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/8qYV4C

>>57169458
>>57169441
thankyou guys for your help. I dont really keep anything downloaded onto my computer apart from games so I can probably put off on the mechanical drive. How is this looking?
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/2sbFPs

I have 46-47c max load temps (in games, not a stress test. Cinebench only got to 41c) on my 6600k with a hyper 212 evo at stock clocks. How high do you think I can push the clock speed without hitting 75c?

>>57169587
Not really sure how kangbux work, but the i5 and the case are about +25% compared to US prices. So you should be looking for a $80-90 mobo and a $300-325 GTX 1060

>>57169652
the exchange rate is in the garbage at the moment, 75 cents to the dollar when 5 years ago it was the other way around. I'll definitely find the components from international dealers if I can, but I live pretty far from most major cities so my options are pretty limited.

>>57168457
how much? Get the $180 after rebate Rx480 4GB thats on newegg right now

>>57169643
Bunp for interest, exact same situation here

>>57169643
As far as is stable at stock voltage

I have two nice SSDs.
So if I go with raid 0, I'll get up to twice the read and twice the write speeds, and have all the space, but if one drive fails I'm fucked?
And if I go raid 1, I'll basically have a constant backup drive? Up to twice the read and just normal write speeds with one drives worth of space?
And I need 3+ drives to do anything else...
What should I do? They're only 500GB each so raid 0 sounds nice but I don't want twice the possibility of failure

>>57168036
Is cannibalising old desktops into new machines a good idea? I've got a HP 110 desktop that I want to just use as the case and the dvd drive, and then completely remove everything else and make it into a gaming rig. is this a bad idea?

>>57169764
Just buy a HDD and do hourly/daily backups.

Or cough up the money and buy two more SSD's for a RAID 1+0 setup.

>>57169771
Just make sure the case has mounts for a standard form factor, has all the bays you need, and has the appropriate length for any graphics cards

>>57169820
Everything I'm reading about my Intel 730s is that they're basically enterprise-level data controllers and over engineered to be super reliable, and basically made to be used in raid.
But I also hear that SSDs have tendencies to fuck up and fail out of nowhere, I've had two 2.5" HDDs fail but no SSDs yet, are they really unreliable or should I just go for raid 0 and hope having Intel inside me is a good thing?

>>57169967
When 730s die they apparently go into read-only mode for one power cycle, you could get your data off when it does fail

Any good AMD MoBo with display port? Yes, I fell for the meme.

I've got a 980/4690k. When would be the best time to upgrade? Heard whispers of the 1080ti coming out soon.

>>57169967
It's really up to you whether your confident in your two ssd's reliability.

There really isn't any other way around the risk of raid 0 other than having a backup drive or buying two more ssd's for raid 10.

>>57170110
1080 is coming soonish, within a month or two and before spring at latest. So either buy that or wait for 1170/1180.

>>57170173
>1080
1080ti, hurrdur

>>57170173
What should I pair it with? Was thinking of swinging a 6800k

>>57170212
Depends on what you're looking for. 7700k is coming soon too, so you could wait for that while you're waiting for 1080ti. 6800k is fine too if you can get it for (relatively) cheap.

Rate my build fags.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/thgDwV

If I get a corsair 200r will I need an ssd mount for the hard drive cage or na

>>57170376
It has 4 SSD mounts and 4 HDD mounts. If you need more space then buy adapters or look at other cases.

>>57170340
>only one monitor
You fucking casual.

>>57170340
>no RGB on headset
>no window
It could be more effective as a pussy repellant, anon.

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Just got my 6600k in....from Amazon. Processor is loose in OEM packaging and outside of plastic tray. How fucked am i?

>>57170648
If you don't see any visible damage then it'll be fine. LGA processors are suprisingly durable.

Help me decide what to build.

i7-6700k I found from some guy on Kijiji unopened and unused for straight up $400 CAD no tax. Also would have to somehow figure out how to a powermac g5 I got for free.
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/yqHYXH
~$1000

i7-4790 for $300 also from some guy on Kijiji with a stock cooler. Also found one for $200 but I feel that's too low to trust. Would potentially buy the case in this situation.
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/YvjPf8
~$830
If not buying case then:
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/vwYyFd

I have no idea how much it will cost me to mod an old case like the powermac g5, it's not just money but also time.

What part list here will get me the most value for my money?


What should I do?

>>57170674
Thanks, first build since 2010 so I'm trying to cover all my bases.

Does anyone think the new Kaby Lake pentiums will be as powerful or more powerful than the i3-6100s?

Really looking forward to upgrade, and it would be awesome if that was so.

>>57170706
http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-core-i5-7600k-overclock/
According to the table on that site the 4 thread pentium is slight improvement over 6100. Nothing major though, and kaby lake i3's are probably better in price-per-performance comparisons.

some guy is selling these parts:
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/dqbNpb
Intel i7 4790K, x64 Based Processor
MSI R9 390x Gaming 8g Graphics Card
Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming G1 Wifi-bk Motherboard
Corsair H110 Liquid Cooling
Corsair AX860 Power Supply
Corsair Carbide series Air 540 case
Red Led CFD 140 Hydraulic Bearing
16gb of RAM
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-desktop-computers/markham-york-region/custom-built-gaming-pc-for-sale/1199950459?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

for $1000 Canadian no tax.

Is this something to jump on? I would sell the 390x for sure and potentially the ram. It seems all I need is an SSD. How good of a deal is this? Even if it is used.

>>57170804
I dunno. Slightly overpriced in my opinion but on the other hand it has AIO and oversized PSU meme parts that are quite expensive. You might try to haggle the price down slightly but it's not a bad purhase.

Hello, i was asked to build a pc for office uses and for light photo and video editing. we're talking about recording videos with the smartphone, doing a bit of editing and then uploading to socials... Max budget is €500, i don't need peripherals and i can get W10 for $40/€35 (please include that in the budget). I'm a bit out of the loop regarding hardware but from what i've seen lately i could go with an i5-6400 + 8gb ddr4 + 60gb ssd + 450/500w + b150 + hdd 1/2tb. Thanks in advance

Hi friendos

My PC isn't great (970, i5 3350p CPU or something) however i managed to get a decent 70-90 fps from the bf1 beta whilst running everything all on high. It was super smooth and I had no issues at all.

The final game however, not so much. Occasional stuttering and usually between 30-50 fps.

My question is, if I buy a new CPU/mobo/ram, would that give me a decent fps boost? I'd probably go for the 6700k.

Or should I just not really be aiming for decent fps all on high with a 970?

Opinions on Doghouse Systems?

Do you think my 2500k at 4.6ghz will last through Kaby Lake?

And how much do you think I could get for it and a Z68 Gene-Z?

>>57171124
Well $1000 Canadian is $750 American. Not to mention parts just cost more here. Also this is no tax or shipping which would easily increase the price by about $200.

I can probably sell the 390x for $420 and use the money to buy a monitor + ssd. Then save up and wait for the 1080ti whenever it comes out.

Who knows maybe he already sold it and forgot to take the ad down.

>>57171214
You'll have to upgrade your 970 too if you want to crank settings high. I'd pick i5 6500, b150 motherboard and spend the remaining money on a new graphics card instead of a better processor or mobo.

>>57171330
Yeah I guess you're right. He's spent quite a lot on that AIO cooler and PSU though, they might or might not be worth the money over cheaper options. Just go for it I guess, it's not a bad deal.

>>57168036
Fucking bitcoins.

Where can I find a slot 2 motherboard that only has one slot and isn't 200$+
Bonus points for new

Bought a Pentium II Xeon for 18$ brand new, just because it looked like a cool thing to own.
But I have old 100mhz 168 pin ram and loads of other pre-2000 computer parts
Just need a mobo

I'm making a build with a Noctua NH-D15 cooler and a 3-fan GPU. What's a good case fan layout? Corsair 350d case

Where do you guys get computer desks? Mines is falling apart, is Craigslist the best option if i dont have a lot of cash (under 100)?

>>57171419
I bought 4 legs at ikea for $5 a pop. Put them on a piece of wood that was already prepared to be a tabletop

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/cdMJwV
anything i missed here?
the idea here is to run freenas virtualized with a pcie passthrough so I dont have any issues with zfs, Ill just be bringing my current platters over and adding the others in
the rest of the resources will be for windows, video editing/rendering, etc
I chose the usb cad because its pci, not pcie, keeping another expansion lane open for later on
I know a 1tb ssd is a bit overkill but its reasonable performance for a reasonable price and the extra quick storage space would be nice for projects, especially for audio production and virtual instruments, I'm running out of local storage so I'll be adding the 2tb hitachi as well as bringing the WD black over
I know it wont all fit as is in the r5, but i love the case and Ill mod the motherboard tray to fit the mobo and then cut a section of the top out for the front panel expansion, then the hard drives will fit in the front cages, with the other 2 mechanicals mounted on a psu cover I'll be making, and the 2 ssd in the back tray mounts

>>57171262
Yes it will, wait for Cannon Lake.

>>57171372
>tfw some genius spent billions on that setup
>6 months later it's outdated and costs more in electricity than it produces in buttcoins

>>57171391
Two in front and one in back should be enough. You can put one or two as exhaust at top but they probably dont have any impact on temps.

>>57171464
>tfw bitcoin market crashes
>tfw people who put literally all of their money into bitcoins and thought it was a good stable investment are now fucked
>tfw I have no face

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/QCMJwV

How'd I do? Build will be running multiple VMs. Just a couple of questions though; how will this RAM perform, how important is speed and timing? Do I need CPU OC ability? GPU for moderate gaymen. I will be running two 1080p monitors. I can get an OS through my uni software program.

Also, if someone can recommend a chair around $50 please do. I bought a cheap $20 from Walmart and its like sitting on a piece of particle board. Because it is exactly that.

>>57171544
with that Noctua cooler it'd be a waste not to overlock. I'd get a far cheaper cooler if you don't plan on doing so.

>>57171566
Yeah that makes sense. Where I'm hung up on is whether I will actually go through with the effort of OCing or not. Given the mobo I like is an OC mobo I felt it would be strange to get a non-OC CPU. By extention, getting these OC parts why not get a good fan?

On the other hand, no OC and get non-K CPU, B/H (forget which) mobo, and roll with stock CPU cooler. Save about $200 this route I think.

What is op's photo?

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What is the gold standard (budget friendly/features)for 2.0 speakers nowadays?
The last 10 years I have used 3 Creative T20 on 3 different systems I had and I was very pleased.

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>>57171829
>Buying "PC" speakers

Micca MB42X and a SMSL amp

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>>57168751
>1050
>upgrade
what is your current setup how can a 1050 be an upgrade. inb4 intel hd graphics

>>57171544
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/QCMJwV
if you arent overclocking just get a xeon instead of an i7 and get a cheaper cooler

>>57171866

6670

>>57171862
>Micca MB42X
So look for monitors not speakers? This will get expensive if they need an external amp to function..

>>57172081
You could get the powered variant, PB42X

>>57171862
>putting oversized speakers on a desk

enjoy shitty sound field faggot

>>57171811
Bitcoin farming server

>>57172217
No substitute for a HS8 or even LSR305, but still gonna sound better then logitechs at the same extreme poorfag price range.

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Now that our guy [ChingLiu] has retired where can we turn to for acquiring programs?

>>57171964
so is this better than a 960?

>>57171184
bump

>>57171184
>light office work
>phone videos

literally anything, probably APU or integrated intel

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Should I feel guilty for always going overbudget with my builds and have to eat rice and broccoli every day now?

>>57169162
>>57168867
I've got an i5-760 and 16gb 1333mhz, which is more than enough for my work and a couple of VMs. I'll probably see a better performance improvement from getting my OS onto an SSD. either way, thanks.

>>57172488
It's around 960 to 380/380X levels at best.

>>57169499
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDCMMf-_ASE

>>57168347
>sucking unfiltered air directly to the graphics card
MADMAN

>>57172721
Yeah, you should drink some milk too for the B12

posted a couple threads ago, updated a bit:
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/BWTdqk
>switched out i7 for i5
>switched out m.2 ssd for sata
>switched win7 for win10
I'm about to hit purchase

>>57172844
>switched win7 for win10
This is where you fucked up.

>>57172844
>>57172877
>purchasing the OS
no, this is.

>>57172890
True. Who the hell pays for software anymore?

>>57172877
i'm getting a 35 buck OEM version. but please elaborate win7 vs win10. isn't dx12 going to get me some advantages at some point?

Wtf local shop already has the GTX 1050 Ti

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Currently have this cooler on my old core 2 quad, it been running a little hot (55°c on idle and about 60-65°c while gaming). My question is if i replaced it with an intel oem hsf will see any improvements?

the haswell pentiums didnt support avx, which really fucked performance in some cases. Is this changed with kaby lake? I might get one then. My overclocked core i7 920 probably should be replaced with something more energy efficient.

>>57172796
Hell I also got my Total %0 fat yogurt here. I might be able to make it.

>>57173082
No.

Intel oem heatsinks are light weight hollowed out pot metal with a wimpy fan added.

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>>57172890
>>57172900
How do I do a clean first time installation of Win 10 Home that can be updatable?
I have the newest MS Toolkit 6.0.2 already.

Is it still true that I can get the full version from Microsoft (watermark on the desktop) and activate it later?

>>57173082
no. remove it, clean it, reapply paste and you should be good

>>57173018
They're taking preorders, they do not have any cards yet.

>>57173082
No. Replace thermal paste if you haven't already, then think about replacing the fan is it is a standard sized one.

>>57173246
But they are. The Zotac one cost $154. I'm not from US btw.

>>57173121
>nehalem
now that's some nostalgic shit

I remember when they first released that and wiped the floor with everything else

but yeah definitely upgrade that gramps

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WHAT THE FUCK
I did literally nothing wrong, why can't I push the lever down?

>>57169162
no it's not, it's 260-pin, just like any kind of notebook ddr4 memory

>>57173369
just push harder :^)

>>57173369
Push harder

>>57173419
It stops at the point where it is in the picture.
I'd have to push very hard to get it down.

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>>57173327
>tfw I'm still on Lynnfield and not even an i7

>>57173369
take the cpu out, make sure the lever goes down and that when you put it back in it's lined up right.

>>57172721
>not starting an algae farm instead
>not eating super healthy green slime all day every day

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>>57173517
I have to push the lever from here so it's some pressure but nothing like when the CPU is in.
It was lined up right.

>>57173633
It's meant to be hard to push down.

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Hmm, ok looking at toms bottleneck chart, it suggests and fx8350 will bottleneck a 1060, the 1060 only appears to be slightly faster than the 970, so it stands to reason it will bottleneck the 970 too, youtube comparisons appear to indicate there's not a huge amount to be gained from the 970 over the 960 when paired with an FX either

I guess I should go for the 960 then

What is the most aesthetic case with best airflow mid size or full-size

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>download the MS Toolkit from MDL like everyone said
>get this

i-it's ok right?

>>57173890
Check MD5 but in general yes, AVs usually false positive key gens and kms tools.

>>57173369
harder push

Upgrade to GeForce GTX 960 or 1050 to? 1050 is cheaper but no benchmarks yet. Currently using a 440.

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Looking to upgrade from my 660ti to a 1060. Which one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487261

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127963

I like how small EVGA's is, but I'm concerned about it running hotter because of the single fan. Both are going for $260 right now.

IS Broadwell E being replaced with something else?

>>57174031
a what? a gtx 440?

either seems like it'd be fine then

>>57174038
THICC
------
Is this case a meme?
https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/chassis/phenom-micro-atx
Are there any less ricer looking cube cases out there?

What's wrong with Kingston "high end" SSDs? Why is Sandisk Ultra II better?

>>57173918
>Check MD5
What did he mean by that?

>>57174337
https://www.google.fi/search?q=check+MD5

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>>57168036
Tell me how much of a child I am for wanting this case design.

About to have it in my build.

>>57174379
I think it's quite stylish, not over the top or anything. I'd buy it

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how do I overcome the social anxiety of telling the seller I want to buy

>>57173369
loosen the tension screw, close the socket and then tighten it again

>>57174442
Tell him and make sure you low ball him, then make a more reasonable offer

Is it dumb to have a small, single-fan card in a mid-size case?

>>57174513
it's not ebay, I just want to pay what he asks

>>57174031
Wait for benchmarks then, dummy.

>>57174379
It's not THAT bad of a case. It looks like ass but I've seen much worse in /guts/ threads.

>>57174524
Depends. If we're talking about something like RX460 or 1050 non-ti then it's not that bad of a thing.

>>57174571
Then just tell him what are you meeting him in person or something? Text him have the money and just do whatever man. Also if you don't do it soon someone else might get it

>>57174642
it's pretty close so I figure it'd be easier to just pick it up than ship it, yeah

>>57174337
>what is MD5
How did you even get here?

>>57174938
r/pcmasterrace linked me here.

Can't you just tell me what it is?

>>57174962
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+md5

>>57174962
No. Google it yourself and fuck off back to /r/eddit.

>>57173787
https://youtu.be/VhDuAN0ouoE
Please fucking watch this. And don't buy last gen hardware new out of the box.

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Has anyone tried to pirate any newer cloud based programs? Is it too much of a hassle? Should I stick to the latest version before the cloud switch?

>>57174962
>comes from reddit
>asks to be spoon-fed
What a surprise.

I want a cpu with more than 4cores, currently on i5 4670k, great for gaming but not as good for VM's
"Old" xeon?

>>57175329
It's as easy as installing them via CC and using patcher.

What's a good heatsink for a videocard?

I just need something to hold my current one to stable temperatures so it won't shit itself. The old fan croaked on me and currently I'm using something from an even older videocard that has no fans at all on it.

This'll just be to hold me until I can get a new computer eventually. My financial situation is on a bit of a tightrope at the moment so I can't splurge on building a whole new computer right now.

>>57175440
Any idea for good patchers?
ChingLiu is gone..

>>57175133
>20%-50% less perf

that's pretty awful mate, what was this trying to prove?

>>57175516
This crap https://forum.cgpersia.com/f33/amt-emulator-v0-8-painter-2016-a-139550/

>>57175525
in fact the difference appears to be just about the difference between those two CPU's, indicating that the 1080 is bottlenecked hard by the both of them, with the variance coming down purely to how well multithreaded the game is

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>>57175561
seems alright. thnx

>>57175412
i7 or AMD FX if you want something on a budget.
Last generation or two ago Xeons are also a very good option (probably best). Non server mobo/socket with the Xeons they made for regular consumer mobos.

>>57175449
just ziptie a regular 120mm fan on the stock heatsink

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How essential is an expensive PC case to a build. I'm cutting corners where I can so I'm under €600 at the end.

pic r this is the Bitfenix Shinobi allegedly the best buy at €60

>>57175661
And how exactly would I got about doing that?

>>57175698
not very. just make sure you watch some youtube review to get the gist of what it offers and if the reviewers find any obvious flaws.
corsair 200r is also decent and should be around same price.

>>57175712
doing what?

>>57175698
cost isn't always relevant, but you do generally get what you pay for.
If cable management and ease of access to hard drives isn't as important, then go for it, Bitfenix is good shit.

>>57175735
Ziptieing a fan to a heatsink. It's a tiny old radeon heatsink with a small hole for the tiny fan that was in there. I have no idea where I'd ziptie the thing to.

Is the Evga g2 power supply any good? Or should I get a seasonic x series?

>>57175741
Cable management is purely cosmetic, anyway.

>>57175802
It also makes upgrading easier.

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What is a good music player nowadays?
Something easy to work with/customize. I use MusicBee. It's alright.

What is a good lightweight normie browser to use? I use Firefox now and I think it is slow. Should I go back to Chrome?

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>>57170675
ANSWER ME PLEASE!

>>57175773
ah. is the other cooler really not enough?

see if there is space between the pcb and heatsink. going around the whole card could work aswell if you dont tighten it too much.

>>57175802
wrong, obstructs airflow.

>>57175800
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=429

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=169

>>57175802
It makes it less of a hassle when swapping out parts, however infrequently it happens.
>tfw having to fight a clusterfuck spider's nest of cables to add a HDD
>tfw didn't invest in a modular psu

>>57175900
the cheaper one. save your moneys.

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>>57175906
wrong, greetings from mount stupid
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDCMMf-_ASE

>>57175900
i wouldnt buy that guy's second hand i7 just to save $40 when you're spending that much money already on the whole thing.

but what's best also depends on what the fuck you're gonna do with it, which you happen to not tell us.

if you dont do any rendering or media work you can get the latest generation i5 6xxx instead of either of those you linked.

>>57175926
So build in the powermac case?

>>57175953
>no drive bays
>just 3 cables dangling in the way
if that's what everyone's chassi looks like, sure

>>57175906
>obstructs airflow
Lel,

>>57175967
The flow velocities are way too low to be affected by cables. But sure, believe what you want.

>>57175906
Well the heatsink I have on there now isn't even a radeon, but from an nvidia. Doesn't have a fan and doesn't really have a way to strap a fan to it that would work.

The actual stock one had a small fan and covered all the vital areas, but that fan croaked not that long ago. If I ziptied it to that one it could work, but I don't know where I could ziptie it to. I need to take another look at it.

I probably need to get new thermal pads too.

>>57175906
Thanks for the link to the reviews, great site
After checking with Amazon reviews, the g2 seems to have less technical failures so I'll be getting that

>>57175991
yeah they also didnt put any of the cables close to the actual cpu fan

>>57176011
around the heatsink, around the whole card, or just prop the fan up next to it so it's blowing on the heatsink and make sure you dont push your case so it falls over

>>57175955
If I get an i7 I can potentially do anything. I'm not going to fall for the i5 meme. I might stream some dota, maybe do some video editing if that's semi succesful. Going to be running hardware passthrough VM of Windows instead of dual boot. Also might have to do some.3d modelling.

I just want this to last at least 4 years.

>>57175906
>obstructs airflow
99% lie, 1% insignificant

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>>57176048
They put shit you'd never put inside that are severely more obstructing than some cables.
But still, if you're able to provide counter sources to your claims, go ahead.

>>57176043
i wouldnt listen too much on user reviews unless there are thousands of them on both

>>57176050
why did you even put the i5 link there then? the i7 is your best choice for sure. still i wouldnt buy a second hand one unless you get the receipt with it for the warranty if you're only saving around $40 on it

>>57176101
kek i didnt forward that far. i take back what i said.

>>57176048
Okay, I think I can get the zipties around the card pretty easily.

Now I just need a good 120mm fan and thermal pads/compound. I know my old man has some zipties around somewhere.

>>57176173
you just have to ziptie the fan to your current heatsink you have on the card. at least try that before you go and reapply thermal paste and pads.

>>57175698
Go mATX and get a Fractal Core 1000 or Tt Versa H15. Both need an additional fan but youll end up spending like 40 bucky.

>>57176133
I would actually save $90 because of tax and that's assuming its free shipping. Didn't put an i5 link there. The guy selling the 6700k says he bought it recently so I'll see if he has the receipt.

>>57176234
ok if you save that much it could be worth it.

>>57176225
Here's the thing though. The heatsink on there now doesn't cover the parts the old heatsink was covering and the one on there now covers parts that weren't covered on the old one. I'm concerned the fan wouldn't even do anything at all.
I feel like the stock heatsink would do better if I just reapply it with new thermal stuff and the fan ghetto tied to it.

But I'll give it a try.

What's a good 120 fan

>>57176311
oh yeah use the old heatsink then. not sure you would need to replace the pads unless you ripped them to pieces.

any fan will work desu since it's just temporary. ask your local pc store if they have a 80mm or 120mm fan, cheapest will do.

>>57175953
>Have a few cables dangling in front of the motherboard tray.
>Someone spergs about it
>Move them behind the tray
>Made absolutely no difference to temperatures

>Have a setup with no rear exhaust fans (only front intake fans)
>Someone spergs about it
>Add a random fan to the rear
>Made absolutely no difference to temperatures
>The system just got louder

Would the 1050 be an upgrade from the 750Ti

>>57176339
>Local
Yeah, I don't really -have- a local pc place.

Also those stock thermal pads are all but completely torn apart. It's why I need new ones.

>people buing the super budget graphics cards like the 1050 or 1060

What is the reasoning for this? Why not just save up a little more money and get a real card?

>>57176379
I think the 1050/ti are a direct replacement to the 750/ti

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>>57176448
>ONE
>HUNDRED
>AND
>NINE
>DOLL
>HAIRS

>>57176471
>being poor

>>57176448
>super budget
>1060

>>57176448
>1060
$250 for near-maxed 1080p games is really nice

>>57176458
1050 rumored to be as good as 960, which is half as good as a 1060, and the 1050ti will be in between

>>57176448
>1050 + 1080p monitor from thrift store: $150

>>57176345
that was the point. thanks.

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What's the likelihood of the 1060 or 1070 getting sales on Cyber Monday? I researched last year's black friday and found that certain 980s and 970s went on sale then, but they weren't as comparatively new that year that the 1xxx series were this year.

I find it really hard to believe that vendors would have any reason to markdown such a popular and fast-selling series of cards for Cyber Monday, so it's okay if I just splurge on a 1060 now without thinking right?

>>57176625
Extremely low, maybe the asus blower card or the half-length gigabyte card will drop down to $380 like they're supposed to be but no, I'm very confident there won't be any good 1070/1060/1080 sales on Black Friday
And cyber Monday is a meme, it doesn't actually exist, don't wait for the leftover deals, get them on friday

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I have a 770 right now but need to upgrade seems the card is dying.

Do I go with AMD and get an rx 480 or nvidia and get a 1070.

I could probably do a 1080 if I could find one for sub $600

>>57176867
Do you want better performance from drivers over time?
Do you want to use adaptive sync monitor without paying $100 extra?
Do you want better DX12 support?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcF36_qMd8M

Building a sort of budget pc.. Last one I made myself had athlon 64 x2 so its been a while,
looking for recommendations/changes etc.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/ppMPf8
Thinking of buying either rx 480 or 1060 sometime later

>>57176970
Shit taste in cases, but the build is fine.

>>57176915
My monitor is MG278Q so it's already set for AMD stuff, I was planning on getting an rx 490 but they are taking way too fucking long to come out.

My 770 is having loads of issues in multiple games so I need to upgrade soon.

>>57176970
get faster ram.
you can get a z170 mobo for almost the same and OC if you do some research, if not get a cheaper mobo.

>>57177029
im not sure if/when Vega is coming so i'd get a 480.

>>57175955
the i7-4790K is even faster than the i7-6700K, unless you need DDR4 why would you get an i5?

>>57176993
Took it because I can get one cheaper
>>57177046
Guess I was a bit too hasty in getting it together but yeah I see what you mean, ill look around a bit more

Hey guys just waiting for my monitor to come in. Case, fan, and gpu were hand me downs. I got a lot of it from micro center. How did i do?
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Erickazo99/saved/K3dCJx

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How do you feel about buying used graphics cards?

>>57177317
>How did i do?
Cooler is meh, GPU sucks ass, case is overkill and keyboard is literal cancer.

>>57175953
that's a lot of big fans though, would the result be the same if you only have a pair of smaller fans in the back?

>>57176448
>60+ fps on ultra 1080p in doom '16

why go higher unless you're trying for triple monitor, 1440p or 4k or whatever?

>>57177343
I'm doing it RIGHT NOW

Why do all cases have either stupid gaymer logos, or giant plastic windows on the side

Is there anything better than Arctic Silver for thermal paste?

Is there a significant performance increase for gaming in windows 10 vs windows 7?

I just made my first build.
Now everything seems to be fine except "bootmgr is missing", I used the same storage as in my previous computer.

I've seen people have this problem when I google but no one that got it from this.
Why would this happen now?

>counterstrike only uses less than one GB RAM
Looks like I only need 8 GB for my build.

>>57177725
unless it's a dx12 game, no.

>>57177732
if you've formatted the drive there obviously won't be any bootmgr on it

set your installation media as boot device for now

>>57177164
bang/buck

>>57177165
you can add custom things with price if you cant find the thing you have/will get.

>>57177467
this.
and the PSU is also meh.
RAM is stupid because huge heatsinks.
Not sure about the mouse since i dont know what sensor it uses.

>>57177805
This is assuming he formatted the drive instead of trying to migrate the existing OS install. Seems more likely he'd just need to set bios boot option to use the right drive.

The surge protector popping... that's a really really bad sign right?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EB6O4N8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

how do yall like my pc case?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/TLLW9W
How's this?

>>57177805
I didn't format the drive. I just unplugged them from the old computer and plugged them into the new one.

>>57177946
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/927392

Does Windows know if I take my Hard Drive out of my laptop and put in in a desktop?

>>57168036
>OP's pic
>people actually try to mine bitcoins in their bedrooms with hacked-together systems

ayyy lmao

What is currently the most reliable PSU for 1 gpu setups?

>>57177977
it will recognize new hardware, possible deactivation of windows.

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Thoughts?

>>57178016
How is it that there is no consistant information about shit like this after all these years. What exacly causes it to deactivate? I've done it multiple times and nothing happens.

>>57178055
It's shit, get other GPU, mobo, 3000 RAM and a non-trash PSU.

>>57178123
>get other gpu
Why?

>mobo
Why?

>3000 ram
Why?

>non trash psu
What's wrong with it?

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>6700k/mobo/32gb ram came today
>all installed
>render in toonboom
>takes literally no time unlike my 2500k
>load up BF1
>fps doesn't drop whatsoever anymore

feels really good, glad i decided to just upgrade.

>>57178177
Also all the sata ports on it are 6gbps. On my 2500k only two were real 6gbps, the other ones were marvel 6gbps and topped out at 350mbps.

>>57178016
>>57178073
I just really want my copy of windows to still be useful when I get an SSD for my chinkpad
I don't need the absolute clusterfuck that is windows 10

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>>57178251
>windows 10
>clusterfuck

>>57178154
>get other gpu
There are 1070's with better cooling and higher clock speed for the same price.
>mobo
Asus Z170-K is better than the P and there are other mobos.
>3000RAM
Costs almost the same and is more performant.
>non trash PSU
Corsair makes as many great PSUs as they make absolute trash PSUs, CX series is the later, also get 80+ Gold.

>>57178251
Is it the retail version of windows? If so you can activate on multiple hardware configs.

>>57178265
>no control over updates
>ridiculous amounts of spyware
>Ads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UI consistency

>>57178349
came with the laptop

>>57168312
Yes. Moore's law is taking more time to cycle now. It's basically because the size of the atom is getting in the way, and CPU manufacturers can't just increase clock speeds any more for more performance.

>>57178177
>implying skymeme is better than sandy vagina
lollllllllllllllllll

>>57178423
It is. Higher fps may not be that much of a difference, but average and min fps completely blows away sandy. Where sandy drops to 40s (even ocd) the skylake stays above 65.

>>57178282
>Asus Z170-K is better than the P and there are other mobos.
The mobo has the functions I need. In what way is the K better?

>Costs almost the same and is more performant.
>ram speed
>mattering for anything

>>57178073
the consistency is that windows recognizes major hardware changes (mobo, usually) and will deactivate itself.
As far as I have heard, your key is registered based on the NIC, but I haven't bothered to do any research on the matter as I haven't bought windows ever. used my oem xp laptop until 7 came out, upgraded w/ Daz, then 10 upgraded pirated 7 to legit 10.

>>57178445
K is just slightly different and better than the P, point is there are alternatives, like Gigabyte or MSI/ASRock if budget is a concern.
RAM speed does matter, especially for CPU taxing tasks. If you don't want to accept help, why do you even ask for it?

>>57178679
>RAM speed does matter, especially for CPU taxing tasks

For gaming, ram speed is almost never a bottleneck.

Alright brain storm with me builders

Parts are all in place

Power button does nothing

let's assume the mobo wasn't shorted

what could be the cuase

>>57177604
smoother gameplay with a 120hz+ monitor.

>>57177670
kids and manchildren think transformers and LEDs are cool.

>>57177946
wrong boot order in bios

>>57177906
no, just means you're overloading one socket in your room. unplug something.

>>57177970
get 3000-3200MHz RAM, it's the sweetspot right now.
Rest is fine.

>>57178623
>based on the NIC
doubt it, it would have less trouble with having to install NIC drivers if this was the case. and you can disable it and use a discrete one.

>>57178008
80+ platinum from a reputable brand.

>>57178055
faster ram like another anon said because you get performance boost from it now thanks to better memory controller in latest gen CPU.
CX series is sub-par quality, get a Gold rated PSU. EVGA, XFX, Seasonic, Silverstone and Corsair are good.

>>57178702
check some up to date benchmarks, you can get 10% boost easy with good RAM.

>>57178813
>smoother gameplay with a 120hz+ monitor.
that's what I said, "unless you're doing 144"

>>57178808
Also double checked the header and they're all in the right spots

>>57178808
you didnt plug in the power button.
you didnt plug in the power button correctly.
you didnt plug in the power to the PSU.
you didnt switch on the PSU.
you didnt attach the PSU cables correctly.

>>57178829
no you said "unless 144hz"
anything above 60 fps will be smoother even with ASYNC, doesnt have to be 144hz and it's not the same as 120hz.

>>57178838
>plug in the power button
power cable* for first one

>>57178813
>faster ram like another anon said because you get performance boost from it now thanks to better memory controller in latest gen CPU.
CX series is sub-par quality, get a Gold rated PSU. EVGA, XFX, Seasonic, Silverstone and Corsair are good.

How should I interpret the timings on the ram for picking the best one?

Also isn't the gold/diamond ratings PSUs a bit of a meme? They only tell you about the efficiency in terms of how much power is lost to heat, and nothing about the quality of the parts.

>>57178702
In most situations yes, but if the price difference is marginal, why not get the 3000-3200 sweet spot?
It's not like you have to pay 50$ more to get better RAM.

>>57178813
>based on the NIC
as far as I'm able to find, win8 and the win10 upgrade license is based on the hardware overall, so likely is tied to the CPU, Mobo, and the HDD the OS is installed on.
http://www.howtogeek.com/226510/how-to-use-your-free-windows-10-license-after-changing-your-pc%E2%80%99s-hardware/

>>57178892
they're all cas 15 or 16 so get one with 15 if it's not a lot more expensive otherwise doesnt matter because the increase Hz compensates.

So a friend of mine just told me the best deals don't show up black friday/cyber monday, but actually 2-4 weeks before. This sounds like a load of horse shit to me, can anyone confirm or deny?

>Take out water cooler
>Clean reapply past
>Go to put cooler back in
>2 of the hand screws won't go back on

I don't even, it's as if the hole is too small for the damn thing now but it's impossible it just won't fucking work.

>>57179236
you're twisting the wrong way

>>57179258
Nope turn right like the other 2 that went on fine

>>57179280
are they pressed down to go into the threading?
did the backplate come loose?
are the threads on the screws OK?

>>57179299
The threads are fine and it's as pressed down as can be.

It just isn't going through... haven't swapped the stubbed or anything same pieces I took off. It just won't catch and I feel as if God is fucking with me right now fucking magical prick

>>57179039
I got a gtx 960-4gb last year for $185 3 weeks before BF.

>>57175698
I have a Shinobi, its nice for the price and well-built, but I'm upgrading soon to something more premium. It's by all means a great, solid case though.

>>57179339
are you doing it in the right order, little by little on each and not one fully at a time?

Is a Pentium Skylake good enough to browse internet and watch my patrician movies?
I just want to get rid of this noisy tower;

>>57179368
yes but you should wait for kaby lake pentiums they will be get 2 extra threads

>>57179368
Yes, great for shitposting. Comes with an integrated graphics as well so you don't need a separate GPU.

>>57179376
Is there any track on when they will release them?
>>57179394
Sounds good.

>>57179506
possibly Q1 next year

How's this /g/? Anything I should change?
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/2LWMFd
I know the screen is freesync but I don't care about that adaptive meme crap. All I want is a nice IPS screen at 1440p with 144hz. I know the card can't pull over 75 fps in the latest games and but its gonna get swapped for a highend Volta GPU once those come out next year.

>>57179365
Sorry went to double check and yeah loosening the others to where they are just on does nothing

About to buy an Athlon X4 845 + an A88X motherboard + some semi-decent ram. Should I go for a shitty Intel build on this equally shitty budget (~140 bucks)? Should I pay a bit more for an X4 860? I'm reading these Carrizo cores (or whatever, the latest ones) are more power-efficient, the 65W TDP looks pretty desirable to me, but I'm worried about it having only 8 lanes of PCIe 3.0, as opposed to 16 lanes on the X4 860. Surely it won't bottleneck my oldass videocard (I don't even remember what model it is, gtx 570 or maybe gtx 750), or would it?

>>57179624
That mobo is absolute overkill.

>>57179624
>adaptive meme crap
seems like a good build if you're willing to spend that much on the mobo.

>>57179690
something must be in the way then

>>57179708
Anon I don't know if such an upgrade is even worth it if you're running such dated hardware.

>>57179708
why the fuck would you buy such old piece of shit hardware?

save up more money and buy something decent.

>>57179751
>>57179765
Fug, that's the wrong board.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/XnmV4C
This is the correct one.

>>57175899
You are already using it. The problem is with the 3.0 update, its a little more confusing to customize MusicBee... But i still think its the best out there atm

Try Cyberfox

>>57179776
seems that was right

when I took 2 of them off initially the stud piece came off with the cap, didn't think anything of it but rearranged the caps and they went on so I guess something from the piece which shouldn't have anything was fucking things up

>>57179364
So it doesn't have all the ventilation slots filled, I think 1/4 only. I hope I wont have heat problems with the RX 480 and i5 6400

New

>>57179969

>>57179708
You're fine with 8 PCIe lanes up to about a 960/1050Ti. No room to upgrade with with the FM2 socket though.

If you want to be able to upgrade just go with a Pentium or preferably an i3 6100 and LGA1151. If you have to buy RAM anyway then I'd go with the 1151 platform

>>57177343
Depends on what you're buying. Probably the only half decent used card compared to the current offerings is the 380x for $140. Possibly a 970 for about $180.

>>57177317
Upgrade the graphics card if you play games

>>57177029
You could get the Fury/X or some holdover graphics card. Alternatively you could get the 1070 and sell it for a slight loss when a high end AMD graphics card comes out.

>>57176970
480

i have a intel(r) core i3-2120
and a AMD radeon HD 6450

do i upgrade or build a new PC /g//

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>all parts are in
>didn't have the time to start building
>decide to connect the new IPS to the toaster netbook to have a look
>it's pretty mediocre
>my LED from 2009 has better image quality
>losing my sleep over it

Please help me end my ocd. It is crappy because I connected it to a 1360 x 768 intel HD 4000 monitor and the 1080 resolution I get is just a stretched 1360 x 768 right?

>>57180561
It depends on how you set the second screen up. If you're duplicating the displays, then yes, it's a shitty stretched image. If you set it up to extend your desktop across both monitors, then it should be at native resolution, but you should check to be sure.

>>57180715
It says here "show desktop only on 2", which is the big one.
I will take it easy and wait until I put together tomorrow the proper desktop. Hopefully I am not overhyped about the IPS and it will work better.
Maybe I need to change settings etc.

>>57180353
Upgrade, i7 + 470. CPU market is getting shaken up over the next year or so, and that i7 hold you over

>>57178177
What GPU?