Both OSX and Linux are based on Unix, then why OSX is infinitely

Money.

>>57161616
linux isn't based on unix

>>57161616
UX UI design is field of its own. Artists who design the interface with art tools, never writing a single line of code, have to be hired. Apple probably has dozens or hundreds of them with decades of experience working for them.

I highly doubt any artists go into linux development expecting to fix up the UI, unless they're paid.

>>57161616
>Both OSX and Linux are based on Unix,
This is a false statement.

GNU's Not Unix
XNU's Not Unix

>>57161682
Linux is functional Unix and MacOS is branded UNIX.

>>57161616
Linux literally means "Linux Is Not UniX"

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>>57161616
I used osx for hours and compared to Xfce, the "user-friendly" is the last word that come in my mind.

>>57161750
>Linux is functional Unix
An horse is a function dog

>>57161796
You're a functional retard. The guy that created Unix says Linux is Unix.

>>57161616
they pay people to do actual work.
On the other side we have hobos who do the same job as apple devs, but as side projects and don't give a shit about interactions with users and the system.

Unity is definitely user friendly. My university has been using Ubuntu for 3 years, still waiting for complaints.

>>57161814
Then he doesn't know what he created or you misunderstood him.

>>57161814
Citation needed.

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Linux is UNIX-like.
macOS is UNIX-based.

>>57161682
Partially. OS X is based on Unix still.
>>57161750
Linux is trash, not even Unix (i mean come on, at least clone ALL signals)
>>57161786
You`re not the right user. Xfce is made for windows users. OS X is made for unix and classic mac os users.

>>57161834
>>57161836


http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/July1999/article79.html

>>57161814
Linux (pronounced i/ˈlJnəks/ LIN-əks or, less frequently, /ˈlaJnəks/ LYN-əks) is a Unix-like and mostly POSIX-compliant computer operating system (OS)

>>57161750
Linux is a Unix-like system but it does not share code with Unix. Linus studied MINIX a Unix-like OS(not "based on Unix") and made something that was vaguely similar in some aspects but Linux is not based on MINIX and MINIX was not based on Unix.

>>57161864
>http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/July1999/article79.html
>Its posted on a website so it must be true

>>57161839
XNU's Not Unix
>>57161858
>OS X is made for unix and classic mac os users.
>OS X is made for classic mac os users.
FTFY
macOS does not in any way try to imitate X11, therefore it is not made for Unix users.

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>>57161860
you''ve proven yourself wrong, gz retard

>>57161880
too stupid to read.

>>57161879
XNU is just the kernel, the rest of the OS is mostly UNIX-based, it still uses a lot of BSD code.

>>57161860
>"... an application under Windows or Unix or Linux"
Why would he name all of those 3 separately if two of them would be the same thing?

"User friendly" is such a fucking cancerous meme.

>>57161879
>x11 is Unix
>what is rio
>what is 8 1/2
>what is even wayland
plus Quartz is kinda like X11 (has all the good parts)

let me put these questions together. I think the Linux phenomenon is quite delightful, because it draws so strongly on the basis that Unix provided. Linux seems to be the among the healthiest of the direct Unix derivatives, though there are also the various BSD systems as well as the more official offerings from the workstation and mainframe manufacturers. I can't help observing, of course, the "free source" Unix-derived world seems to be suffering from exactly the same kind of fragmentation and strife that occurred and is still occurring in the commercial world.

>>57161616
>Linux
>based on Unix
wrong

>>57161616
>Linux
>based on Unix
wrong

>>57161616
>Both OSX and Linux are based on Unix, then why OSX is infinitely more user-friendly?
because something being unix or not has nothing to do with user-friendliness.

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>>57161929
>two clicks instead of typing 30 characters
>cancerous

>>57161936
Can you name a Unix that uses rio or 8 1/2?

>>57161955
What if those two clicks took three times as long to do? Or you had to move the mouse from one side of the screen to another, then back again?

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>>57161951
The unix title in fact is just a paper. Even FreeBSD isn't unix just beacuse they don't wan't waste money on a fucking name.

>>57161955
This is why American cars don't have a clutch or gears.

>>57161982
BSD is Unix. It's actually genetic Unix.

>>57161963
Plan 9! (depends on what you count as unix)
also, Inferno

>>57161992
They sell manual cars in America it's just that a lot of people don't know how to drive them anymore. It's a good deterrent against car thieves though I guess.

>>57162005
Plan 9 and Inferno aren't Unix, retard.
They were meant to succeed Unix.

>/v/eddit meme

>>57161955
The fuck is your wpm?

>>57161994
You can't call it unix thanks to ATT and opengroup (owner of the title).

>>57162035
>(depends on what you count as unix)

>>57162058
Learn the difference between Unix and UNIX.

>>57161955
The only time I've ever gone to 30 characters is when grep comes in to play, and most of the command was tab-completed.

>>57162060
It literally does not. Plan 9 and Inferno were never Unix, and were intended, intentionally, to be entirely different operating systems.

>>57162093
The difference between Sugarcoating and SUGARCOATING?

>>57162116
i'd say plan 9 is more unix than linux

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>>57161616
who the fuck thinks this is good design

GTK3 is cancer

>>57162154
is one a trademark?

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>>57162172

>>57162180
then learn, stupid.

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>>57162164
Welcome to 2016.

>>57162195
2/10 Damage control: the post.

>>57162225

Why are /g/ users so dumb?
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.html

The BSD operating systems are not clones, but open source derivatives of AT&T's Research UNIX® operating system, which is also the ancestor of the modern UNIX® System V.

>>57161992
>cars don't have gears
Sometimes it's better to keep your thoughts to yourself.

>>57161616
Can we end the meme that OSX is easy to use? You have to Google how to do ANYTHING. Pressing alt leads to changing whole menus, the keyboard doesn't show half of the characters it can type because
>muh minimalisum
Maximizing windows requires some special key combinations plus double clicking the top bar, multiple windows are combined to one icon at the bottom - again requiring you to press a keyboard and a mouse button or learning a key combination.
It's by far the most unintuitive and frustrating to use OS I ever laid hands on

>OS X
>user friendly
For launching safari and checking facebook

Everything else is an unintuitive struggle, full of hidden tricks involving modifier+clicks, trackpad gestures that make little sense, and how long you wait before releasing the click in some cases.

It's like using vim or emacs. Easy....once you get used to it. And discoverable! To a point. To figure out what option+click does in finder, check the manual or do it yourself. To find out what ? does in vim, same. It's not a self explanatory action.

>>57162270
>what's a CVT

>>57162265
>open source derivatives of AT&T's

The lawsuit kicked every code from it fro ATT.

>Why are /g/ users so dumb?

Why are you in a fucking denial? Yep i made an unintended b8 to bsd fags whose autism is beyond imagination.
I'm >>/out/

>>57162270
What's with the current trend of pretending to be stupid as a form of counter-argument?

>>57162328
>pretending

>>57162327
You forgot one of these: >
>>>/out/

>>57162327
>The lawsuit kicked every code from it fro ATT.
More lies.

The lawsuit was settled in January 1994, largely in Berkeley's favor. Of the 18,000 files in the Berkeley distribution, only three had to be removed and 70 modified to show USL copyright notices

>>57161616
>Both OSX and Linux are based on Unix, then why OSX is infinitely more user-friendly? Linux coders are too arrogant to make it simple?
OS X is a user culture, Linux is a developer culture.

OS X is made by developers for users.
Linux is made by developers for developers.

It's really that simple. Look at the average hobbyist FOSS project (big, company-sponsored efforts excluded), and you will only see people writing code for the sake of themselves and other developers.

Linux was grown and molded by that kind of culture: A culture of hackers

>>57162295
t. winbabby
it`s intuitive to unix and mac users

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>>57161616
what is user-unfriendly about this?

>>57162652
No close-windows button

>>57161796
>>57161773
it's about not being AT&T UNIX
learn2history

>>57162691
Please rephrase your phrase in a more readable language

>>57162295
OS X is “easy to use” because the OS X philosophy is that you shouldn't be trying to do something that isn't trivial.

Fullscreen your windows? How dare you go against Steve Jobs' idea of how to interact with your computer. Once you dig down, you come to realize that the entire Apple userbase is basically a cult, wherein you aren't allowed to question the higher-up's decrees.

Of course it would seem to an initiate that OS X is easy to use, because you aren't using it to do anything advanced.

>invest billions of dollars in aqua de
>take 30 minutes to learn how to use i3
>end up being 400% more productive instead of hitting F4 and navigating through cumbersome menus and system integrity prompts and common full screen mode spaz-outs

User eXperience in 2016, everyone

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>>57162729
b-but steve jobs planned a fullscreen option
also you can get utilities like bettersnaptool and attach a shortcut to maximize windows
stop memeing

>>57162164
i kindof like it , but some thing could be easly improved, like huge title bars or general uselessness of the top bar, which could do some usefull things instead of being empty. But i like how gtk3 windows look, especially compared to qt5 or windows

>>57162652
lack of icons in non-qt applications in the global menu, basically useless dash search which take too much space, and very messy way of switching between multiple windows of the same program.
Also bad global keyboard shortcuts that mess with other programs, for example i have to disable L_alt menu shortcut so i can input special characters with R_alt, which is totally retarded.
Gnome would be much better if it had a global menu bar like unity, or at least something useful.

>>57162780
>easy to use
lol'd

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For the same reason bicycles are made user-friendly while cars require passing tests and learning their ins and outs:

OS X is for children, who then grow up and use Linux, who then go back to OS X when they grow too old and their mental and physical capabilities start to degrade.

>>57163116
>press this button
>it works
pretty easy eh

>>57162738
i3 could make up an really great DE if someone didn't like it being minimalistic. Just some basic stuff like theming, a settings manager with some options, well scripted polkit (this is my main problem because i cant configure this shit), maybe a compositor to fix tearing (although its less annoying on i3) and some basic utilities to manage volume/network/etc. I do realize this somewhat defeats the whole purpose of i3 being minimal/light but i just want to say for a minimal WM it could work well in a full DE.

>>57163126
>OS X is for children, who then grow up and use Linux, who then go back to OS X when they realize they have real work to do instead of farting around with compiler flags and editing xmonad configs

FTFY

>>57161616
I don't understand what you're talking about OP. I don't find OS X to be "user-friendly" at all.

- The filesystem is all fucked up with non-standard paths carried over from NeXTSTEP
- The user interface is proprietary, almost completely uncustomizable and has some downright bizarre keyboard shortcuts and gestures
- All the default apps are extremely limited and try to force their bullshit icloud integration on you, they also crash constantly
- The officially sanctioned way to get new programs is through the "app store" where everything is proprietary and either loaded with ads or completely overpriced
- Xcode has turned into yet another bloated "one-size-fits-all" IDE that makes the development toolchain a complete clusterfuck to work with that is loaded with bugs
- Apple customer support is basically nonexistent, if your issue can't be solved by a basic (overpriced) part replacement at the apple store then they basically tell you to fuck off
- No attempt at even supporting integration with non-Apple devices whatsoever

All of these issues could be fixed if they delivered a proper free software operating system and fostered a proper community, rather than the one they have now which is focused on greed and secrecy at the expense of all else. If you ask me OP, the best way to make a "user-friendly" product is to have your employees respect the user – Apple doesn't respect users at all and hasn't for a long time.

>>57163236
See >>57162729

OS X is only “user friendly” because OS X users are trained not to stray off the well-beaten path. Use it as a facebook machine and you will be happy.

Try to use it as a computer and you will despair. You are not OS X's target audience.

>>57161823
>On the other side we have hobos who do the same job as apple devs,
And they get to go home each night without AIDS.

>>57163236
>- The filesystem is all fucked up with non-standard paths carried over from NeXTSTEP
what standard?
>- The user interface is proprietary, almost completely uncustomizable and has some downright bizarre keyboard shortcuts and gestures
I wouldn`t call them bizzare - examples?
>- All the default apps are extremely limited and try to force their bullshit icloud integration on you, they also crash constantly
None of them forces icloud to me... they also don`t crash

>>57163272
>what standard?
POSIX
>I wouldn`t call them bizzare - examples?
Literally all of them aside from the universally standard ones ( i.e. cut-copy-paste, select all, quit, close)
>None of them forces icloud to me... they also don`t crash
Please let me install whatever apps and OS you're using, I would like to know what they are

>>57163272
>what standard?
the Linux FHS. ya know, what MacOS is based on.

>>57163318
>the SUS defines a filesystem Hierarchy
More stupid shit from a worthless chinese cartoon enthusiast website.

>>57163318
posix is shit m8
>Literally all of them aside from the universally standard ones ( i.e. cut-copy-paste, select all, quit, close)
Bizarre to you
They probably make sense to other users
>Please let me install whatever apps and OS you're using, I would like to know what they are
OS X 10.9
Activity Monitor.app
Adobe Flash Player Install Manager.app
Adobe Installers
Adobe Utilities-CS6.localized
AirPort Utility.app
AppleScript Editor.app
Audio MIDI Setup.app
Bluetooth File Exchange.app
Boot Camp Assistant.app
ColorSync Utility.app
Console.app
DigitalColor Meter.app
Disk Utility.app
Grab.app
Grapher.app
Keychain Access.app
Migration Assistant.app
System Information.app
Terminal.app
VoiceOver Utility.app
XQuartz.app
TextEdit.app
Safari.app
Calculator.app
Reminders.app
Calendar.app
Notes.app
Maps.apo

>>57163347
Mac OS`s core is older than Linux

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>>57161616
Fagintosh was never UNIX

>>57163200
I just run it inside a gnome-session with a window dedicated to gnome-control-center

boom, full featured DE

>>57163419
meanwhilte MacOS can be dtraced (like every other UNIX) while Linux can't because they know its shit inside. BUG_ON()!!!!

>>57163419
t. someone who made a cheap clone of unix (and didn`t even fully copy it)

>>57163419
>mach 2
it's mach 3.0

>>57163452
>linux is shit therefore macos cannot be

embrace puffy anon

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>>57163419
this desu senpai

>>57161858
>XFCE is for windows users
Hardly, most people who use XFCE use it with dockbarx
The only Windows-y part of XFCE is whisker menu

>>57163390
>Bizarre to you
>They probably make sense to other users
This is the definition of non-user-friendly.

>OS X 10.9
Explains it, this is about the start of when they went batshit crazy and broke everything.

>>57161616
>Both OSX and Linux are based on Unix
no they're not

>then why OSX is infinitely more user-friendly?
because Apple can afford to dump hundreds of millions into it. they also only have to maintain functionality across one desktop environment so that makes things easier.

>Linux coders are too arrogant to make it simple?
absolutely. just look at the backlash against Wayland.

oldfag here. went mac at 10.1. used mac in college. i was a minority. no iphone or ipad yet.

the only reason people embraced os x was because windows was atrocious shit and linux was still for nerds. apple milked this market which was IT nerds who then moved up into management over time and pushed apple.

macos is on the backburner and apple is stretched so thin. it's a joke.

>>57163587
>no they're not
Arguing with Dennis Ritchie

>>57163619
>used mac in college.
nobody cares about the opinion of a liberal arts major.

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>>57163570
>>OS X 10.9
>Explains it, this is about the start

It is 2000 + 16 and fruitOS still has can't perform a basic function that Windows and Linux perfected last century.

>>57163637
you obviously didn't read retard.

>>57163619
I still hold that the only reason anyone still fanboys for macbooks is because they are needed to develop iOS apps. If it weren't for that, they would have lost long ago.

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>>57163647
>fagOS can't handle fullscreen
>2016

ayylmao

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>>57163733
Microsoft Windows doesn't have this problem. :^)

>>57163647
>>57163733
>apple can't into virtual desktops on multiple displays
>this problem has been solved in Xorg/XF86 for decades

why do these fucks always need to reinvent the wheel and break everything

>>57163714
word.

lets see...
have to go to the mall to fix your machine
cannot upgrade your hardware yourself
have to be permitted for your software to be exposed/available to users (good luck advertising on the free/open www)
cannot run any traditional services, must succumb to 100% "cloud" services

>>57163216
>>OS X is for children, who then grow up and use Linux, who then go to Windows when they realize they have real jobs to do instead of farting around with hipster shit no business on this planet wants to waste profit margins or time on respectively

FTFY

>>57163714
people alive at the time will remember but besides the hardcore 90s macfags, when OS X came out there were very smart people who knew how absolute shit microsoft and windows was and were tired of it (congratulations microsoft and billy g for pulling off the greatest public opinion flip in history). this group of people gave os x a chance, but it has all nosedived and indeed there are people who are stuck and we're almost back to where we were just different names and faces. free and open technology is still around, free, and open. i'm beginning to see where i want to place my chips.

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>>57163821
>>>OS X is for children, who never grow up

FTFY

>>57163821
>>57163216
>hurr you will never amount to anything unless you use our proprietary cancer OS, please send us money now

I am sick of seeing this low quality marketing meme. Can't you people post something of substance?

>>57163570
You`re not the target user.
>>57163548
No, it`s everywhere. keyboard shortcuts, ux, ui. everything.
>>57163647
works on my machine

>>57163843
I jumped ship to OSX as soon as X hit. Only because XP was a pile of ass. Unfortunately OSX 10.0-10.5 was no better than XP.

When 7 released I got off the Applel trainwreck and never looked back, and now use W10 for laptop and Mint for desktop.

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>>57163890
>substance.
>macfags

>>57163918
I jumped ship to OS X as soon as Oracle bought Sun. It's the only UNIX worth a damn now.

>>57161616
+15 cents pajeet/

>>57163936
it's the only unix that only runs on consumer hardware that also has no fucking ethernet jack and is therefore useless beside front end koding

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>>57163619
>the only reason people embraced os x was because windows was atrocious shit and linux was still for nerds
Windows still being atrocious shit, and linux still being for nerds.

>>57163970
Why do you have to have ethernet to run vi/emacs?

>>57164011
why do you need a $2k machine to shitpost

>>57163843
In the 90s there was a real fear that a dominant AAPL would be worse than a dominant MSFT (no doubt in-part spread by MSFT marketers). We get to 2016 and now we see that that is actually the case. I can't wait until one of them starts floundering and merger rumours start to spread, oh man will everyone be mad.

>>57163821
>I attended Econ 101 now I know everything about business hol up lemme name drop profit margins

>>57164058
it would be bigger then stevenote intel processors. fuck i'm old.

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>>57164058
>In the 90s there was a real fear that a dominant AAPL would be worse than a dominant MSFT (no doubt in-part spread by MSFT marketers). We get to 2016 and now we see that that is actually the case

This desu senpai. Apple is worse than MS ever was.

>>57164026
>Macs can only do front end development
So that wasn't a shitpost? It was a real thought out argument? Freetards everyone. Keep playing with your click n' drool Windows alternative, Ill be here with my POSIX compliant UNIX.

>>57163423
but does the polkit work when you, for example try to run gparted with dmenu? Last time when i added exec gnome-settings-daemon to i3 config file it didnt work at all, but helped with theming and stuff.

>>57164109
fagOS was never posix see >>57163524

>>57163914
>You`re not the target user.

I really love seeing you macfags crawl out of your shells and reveal your callous, bitter hatred for your fellow computer user.

>"Hey everyone come and buy our overpriced computers, they are really user-friendly and made so everyone can have a good time with them!"
>But I am having X problem
>"Oh, did we say everyone, we meant everyone but you"

This two-faced behavior goes all the way back to Steve Jobs in the early days, how he hated and resented Woz and tried to swindle him behind his back.

>>57164131
Nope, sadly. when I want to use gparted I launch it using a terminal emulator with sudo. Its dumb but considering the amount of shit lost closing an i3 session its ok

>>57164109
how the fuck can you say os x is the greatest unix around when it can only run on highly consumer-focused hardware? routers, servers, embedded, satellites, switches... the list goes on that the "greatest unix ever" can barely run a web server without buying some deprecated, non-upgradeable overpriced "pro" machine that cannot even rack.

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>>57164069
>i never attended Econ 101, and that's why instead of sending VM instances of Windows to workers via a main server, saving up massively on hardware in the process and even ensuring security and productivity, i'm spending on Apple diarrhea so it can turn out that the overheated Apple trashcan has faulty AMD chips which will take 1 year for Apple to decide to initiate a repair program for

You salty hipster?
You salty indeed.

There's a good reason Apple has such pathetic market presence among business. And this will never change, ever.

>>57164095
Hopefully they destroy each other, and Google, in the fighting.

>>57164204
based microsoftfag

>>57161616
> implying linux coders
> implying linux coders = apple employees

>>57161814
Soo if I create a new OS I can sue M$ for stealing windows from me?

>>57164310
If you made it exactly like MS, they could sue you.

>>57164310
not even if your name was mike rowe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_vs._MikeRoweSoft

>>57164566
Good, all cybersquatters should be hanged.

Because OSX isn't made for smart professionals who earn six digits or for neckbeard neets living in their moms basement who spend all day compiling gentoo for a 5% speed increase (which ultimately doesn't matter because their time is worthless anyways)

>>57164875
>I never understand what I read.

>>57161616
op can u get free water in a bottle?

>>57161616
That's one simplistic way to look at this scenario.

>>57161616
Nice digit sequence (underrated I know).

Simple point about Mac OS.
>Not actually Unix based entirely.
>Someone who looked into the code and did a tear down found for Yosemite that it was based on pre or 2003 Unix (not up to date with later or current gen Unix) mixed with FreeBSD and was patched up with Mach code to make it look like a good individual OS.
>OS is mostly a patched up mess as it was made by an incompetent coder who was focused on the money and making it quick.
>Coder not likely would have been able to do it properly in the first place.
>At least the coder suckered Jobs well I suppose.

Could be wrong but a post I have come across before.

For user friendly OS X the first Mac was designed from the start to have a friendly graphical interface as the main design feature for the OS (and this focus has continued with user improvements for easy) while Linux focused on being functional (not necessarily user friendly though) and the functionality is often specialised to the particular variation of Linux operating system.

Where as there are multiple versions of OS X where later released is more user friendly than the previous for Linux you can you can have Debian Linux for Server use, Ubuntu Studio Linux for media editing (not sure if it is popular or not, it is definitely not the normal Ubuntu Linux) and SteamOS for gaming (mostly a flop, not much better than gaming on Ubuntu or other Linux OS variant) or other variants for specialised use (Kali for Security penetration or for the simpleton, hacking).

>>57161773
No, it doesn't.

>>57161858
>OS X is made for unix and classic mac os users.
So what you're saying is that it's not user friendly for anybody else.

because neckbeards cannot into HCI

>>57161616

Look in every "DE" threads and see jewnix homos trying their hardest to make their DE look like OSX and then claiming its "customised".

Poor people...

>>57161786

Perhaps are you arent aware of keyboard shortcuts. OSX is miles ahead of anything else on that alone.

>>57162326

>Everything else is an unintuitive struggle
Wow, are you disabled?
>full of hidden tricks involving modifier+clicks
Keybaord shortcuts... not that difficult, google it for a simple list lol
>trackpad gestures that make little sense
swipe up down left and right and scrolll... you're right that is really hard.
>and how long you wait before releasing the click in some cases.
Wut?

>>57164204
>friend is a software engineer at amazon
>entire team works exclusively on mac

top jej m8

>>57165589
Nobody said Apple had no market presence. Only pathetic presence.
Also, no wonder Amazon's site sucks so much and is so slow and buggy when applefaggots work on it.

>>57161879
>Direct descendant of UNIX (i.e a clear line of descent from the original UNICS)
>Even certified as fully UNIX compliant
>Somehow not UNIX
Right...

>>57163261
>Try to use it as a computer and you will despair. You are not OS X's target audience.
Not like it's extremely popular among developers or anything...

>>57165793
>Not like it's extremely popular among interns, startups, and amateur developers or anything...
Lackeys and newfaggots are what i see on OS X.
Go up the ladder and you get less and less Apple, and more and more custom UNIX solutions, Linux, and people who swipe between all OSs for individual needs.

>>57165837
>and more and more custom UNIX solutions
Not on the desktop, retard.
Apple doesn't even have a server brand. So why are you comparing a Custom Unix for the workstation to the server markets?

How is it more user-friendly? I disagree actually, Fedora is more user-friendly than OS X to me.

>>57165793
I'm a dev who uses OS X for work and hate it, I'd get shit done more easily and quickly on Linux, so what's your point? The OS most used for development is by far Windows, does that mean it's the best?

>>57165837
>Go up the ladder and you get less and less Apple, and more and more custom UNIX solutions
For work stations? What exactly is this based on?

>>57161616
The problem with Linux is that every developer has an opinion different from that of anybody else and they're ridiculously convicted that said opinion is the only correct opinion.

This is why there are 9327835126 forks of everything and millions of man-hours wasted on at least 50 different projects that do the same damn exact thing. It's also why all of the little issues that make Linux unappealing as a consumer desktop never get fixed: the devs are too busy being religious assholes about some stupid, inscrutable little thing that nobody else gives a shit about to do quality UI/UX work.

>>57164163
>not installing hackintosh
Also it`s just because you`re a winfag. People with no experience are good too

>>57161875
>it's 17 years old so it must be true now