/retro/

>>57147035
Nice! A video toaster

>>57147056
Yeah, a literar old toaster.

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Suck it 1080 and RX 480 owners.

inb4 literally same images as in every thread

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>>57147485
Instead of bitching why don't you contribute?

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ME WANT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNmMczbZ8w

>>57147940
do think this runs on a CPC or MSX2 with 128k of RAM and a 4MHz Z80

>>57148002
Yeah, I know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ish4ReOjdIw

>>57147657
>loooonix
Can't even spell right

>>57148281
0/10

>>57148876
holy shit

>>57148876
>dat hackjob

>>57148876
disgusting desu

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I made this wooden case for a 486 based cpu (amd 5x86 133) . Turned out nice.

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Here's the back

>>57149399
That actually looks pretty fun.

>>57149399
>>57149426
Go away LGR

>>57149399
The panel looks like it could start WW3

Real nice tho, 8/10, could be better woodworking

>>57149399
>>57149426
those go straight into my awesome retro shit folder

>>57149426
The cards on the back tigger my autismo.

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>>57149596

Lol, yes. I raged too.

Had to order some flash chips from good old USA (they were cheap). I
had to flash a newer Pnp bios for win 95.

>>57149853
Fucking beautiful! Love attention to detail, many people just don't bother.

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And it's portable!

>>57149892
Seriously now, looks like something someone in the 50's would have used to start WW3

>>57149892
That's a gift that just keeps on giving, ain't it...

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>>57150004
no, but it will be,someday

lol

>>57147035
No idea how common they are in the EU, but it's hard to go wrong with an old SGI workstation.

>>57150178
I was actually thinking of a SPARCstation, if SGI then something older non-x86

>>57149853
why did you have to?

>>57147163
>not having a composite out

>>57149426
>>57149399
how are the temps? I'd imagine wood absorbs a lot of heat.

>>57151100
>shitty 640×200 TV 16color peasant
>not crisp 720×348 phosphorus monochrome master race

>>57147035
what's the monitor on the right?

>>57149892
w2cop this awesome woodbox

>>57151381
A Commodore 1701 or 1702, connected to the video toaster.

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>>57147035
>tfw no amiga gf

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>>57151574
Says who?

>>57151595
>picture of 2d waifu
>terminal window
>minimalistic desktop

desktop thread anyone?

>>57149294
I agree, not even a Mediator PCI 1200 TX, why even bother with a tower?

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>>57149892
Now all you need is some matching speakers.

>>57151897
Topkek, only thing he needs now is a AWE32/64 with a kickass soundfont.

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>>57151933
Alternatively he can make his own Sound Blaster as well

>>57152023
Gah, wasn't this a prototype of a soviet clone? I remember it from an old forum way back before people started posting it here.

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>>57151156
>green monochrome phosphorus master race reporting in

>>57149399
>>57149426
>>57149853
>>57149892
>>57150040
>>57151897
>>57152023
Now this is /retro/

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retro

>>57154029
yeah, this pic is retro even for a retro thread

>>57152049
whatever it is, if that can speak pci i would be so happy

we should all build our own addon cards. howfucking cyber punk ghetto trash is that. i love it

>>57154043
It's a 8-bit ISA card, Sound Blaster clone made by a Russian guy in the mid 90's from off the shelf parts.

Addons and expansions, specially for older 8 and 16 bit computers, are actually pretty darn comfy to make yourself, it's probably the PCB and connector that are the biggest bitch.
There exists a whole vary of shit you can make for XT's, etc. With PCI and forward, things got more and more custom, can't properly clone anything with off the shelf parts, that's where FPGAs, etc, come into play.

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>>57154089

fpga it is, good call. where's our massdrop and copy pasta configs. i wanna fry some things unexpectedly. cmon lets do this.

>>57154119
I'm in favor in making a plug that goes in your butt, like a expansion for your ass, that shuts you the fuck up.
No need to thank me.

>>57154150
That's the only thing you're allowed to draw there with Lonixpaint.

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>>57154142
you got a lot of things on your mind it seems, but if you need help with your ass you came to the right place.

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>>57154183
no... i got a lot of things in my ass, but i need help with my mind, i came inside the wrong place

>>57154237
so'd your father but meh, we love you more for it

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>>57154284
tnx bro, have a Soviet i8080 clone

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>>57154319
i'd take a clone but i can't even afford one of those

>>57154338
Holy dildos, I have actually played around that that one

>>57154237
>dem raised floors
wonder what it was like walking around on those in the office...

>>57154372
probably solid underneath and only has channels for cables

>>57154355
they say that every time one drifts into tune, a new star is born

clearly they underestimated the rate of stellar phenomenon but i nonetheless remain in awe

>>57147940
works on my machine

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>>57149892
Don't bring that into an airport mate.

>>57150495
Sun's are cool too. Definitely pre x86, the x86 garbage isn't real SGI or Sun.

>>57150495
Also you might look for an older HP PA-RISC machine, those are nifty too.

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>>57151897
>>57154338
So I'm assuming we can post non-computers in these threads?

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>>57147940

Just IMAGINE this level of efficiency in using hardware used on modern hardware.

Just imagine what would be possible.

>>57154029
Red shooes diaries molder - pic retro as faaark

>>57147940
So, wait a minute. Is this a contemporary operating system designed for 8-bit systems from the 80s?
Neat.

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>>57149426
>>57149853
>>57150700
The motherboard probably has the 8GB limit and it's getting harder and harder to find a hard drive under that. If it's over 8GB, the board will just crash itself when trying to access the drive since it can't even ADDRESS the huge space. Old IDE drives are price inflated on anywhere you try to get them at online, and they will most likely be used anyway, so you are still dealing with just a different ticking clock. Flash modules like this are the cheapest option and also most reliable.

We had a metal working client at an old place I worked at that had an HP Vectra from 1994 that was the controller for their metal router. Company that made it was gone, they never updated it, and it needed to be controlled by a PC since it had a custom made ISA card on it which actually communicated to the metal router. Client had spent $50K+ on this hardware in 1995~ and this was their entire business which relied on this to be able to cut their metal projects or whatever. They had kept the installation media software copied to a CD, but their completely original hard drive in the vectra was toast. We couldn't locate a drive small enough, so we went with an IDE flash module like this one. It even has fake C/H/S settings you can use for the motherboard. We then had to locate a Win95 CD, install it, install the drivers from HP's website (yes they still have the 95 drivers for their vectra series), then install the software. Nobody in the USA stocked this part at the time. Client had to wait 3 days for the shipment from China since we couldn't locate a USA seller and the owner of this company was retarded and against buying on ebay or amazon but nobody else in the entire city even offered to attempt all this as they wouldn't even touch something that old. After all this shit was done their PC was back and we became known by word of mouth in town as the "old computer people"

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>>57154814
also the cmos battery died and the software needed accurate time or else it would fuck up, it didn't use CR2032 like everything else, it was CR1632 or some weird shit. We actually had two battery stores in town and it was so funny to see them take the battery to their back room and none of them had ever heard of this before and thought we were playing a joke on them or something. We had to order the battery on the internet too and it came in 90s packaging like this but it worked

>>57154029
this is a woman's desktop

>>57154646
Fuck that. ain't developers got time for that.

>>57154597
MIPS is the least appealing part of SGI shit, it's the whole package that made them great, not just the garbage r10k rehashes that were among the limpest of the big RISC vendors after about 1998

>>57154624
Obviously. Sad that you will be labeled a hipster straight away if you have a camera like that anywhere near you...

>>57150178
Europoors seem to have more of that shit than in the states for some reason, at least if the distribution of collectors on Nekochan is any metric.

>>57156659
>you'll be labeled a hipster
I used to agonize over this too but who gives a shit really, you'll be labeled no matter what you do by people you don't give a fuck about, might as well be happy instead of perpetually fearful of what a bunch of hollow children might think about it.

>>57154814
>If it's over 8GB, the board will just crash itself when trying to access the drive since it can't even ADDRESS the huge space.

Most boards will safely address up to their maximum and the remainder will just go unused. The addressing is handled by the controller on the drive itself so it gives no fucks if the CHS settings don't actually describe the physical layout on the platters.

Or better yet use dynamic drive overlay software since drive capacity outstripping BIOS support was already a thing while these machines were current.

Friendly reminder this is technology board for currently used technology.
For outdated technology and other neo-luddite equipment please visit
>>>/vr/

Thank you!

>>57156781
>implying CNC is videogayms

>>57156781
Fuck off. Thanks for the sage though.

Dude got no life, just let him have his fun, ignore it and let him bump the thread.

>>57156806
>>>/vr/

>>57156766
Yeah, this will work just fine.

I used to use a Samsung 80GB 7200RPM 2M ATA on a old Pentium MMX, the drive configuration only went up to 8.7~ GB, I could use it fine like that, latter installed the Samsung dynamic drive overlay.

http://vintage-pc.tripod.com/hdd_utils.html

>>57154508
Pics or it didn't happen!

>>57156925
The best part about the dynamic overlays is that they are in the MBR, so when you already have a Windows install, all you have to do is copy all the files from the drive, install the overlay and copy everything back, no need to reinstall from scratch or mess repairing the MBR.

>>57156766
Some actually do crash with bigger drives during POST, depends on the controller and BIOS.

>>57147940
>>57148002
>>57148038
does anybody here actually have this running?

>>57154508
Care to show us?

>>57149399
Topkek

>>57158099
Nice deadbug covox, lol.

>>57156249
It actually is, how did you guess?

>>57161312
cause mulder is a qt3.14

>>57161348
So is Scully

>>57161394
tru < 3

>>57161312
Who else would put a teddy bear on top of the monitor?

>>57161465
Ahaha, yeah, don't be silly anon, or a cat plush toy.

>>57161348
>>57161394
>>57161420
I feel like it's 1998 again... and I love it.

>>57162251
Looks /cyb/ as hell

>>57162251
Cool Akihabara vibe. Seriously, it looks like some repairsman's shop or something.

>>57162251
>GitS poster
nailed it

>>57147035
Shit i still have that commodore TV.

>>57162446
TV?

>>57162462
What else is it?

>>57162493
What are you talking about?
You don't mean the monitor? Do you?
It's a monitor, TV is something that has RF (or DVB).

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>>57151135
It's all cool. The cpu barely warms up the heatsink even without fan.

>>57162584
How fast is it compared to a 486DX4 at 100MHz? Is it just like a 33MHz higher clock rate or feels much faster?

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>>57162584
Are we posting nudes again?

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>>57150700
>>57154814

Well,no, this board had an EPROM BIOS. EPROM, not EEPROM . One of those chips you erase with UV light.

Problem is PnP needs some stuff written at startup in the Bios memory, something you can't do with a regular Eprom.
that's why i needed the flash rom,and the latest bios available for that card.

>>57162632

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLrKxWL73Mw

>>57163014
That should be no problem, PnP saves in CMOS just like all the other configuration, no matter the BIOS ROM itself.
The BIOS ROM is R/O anyways, only R/W when you reflash it.

I have several EPROM BIOS mobos.

>>57163073
Ugh, x86 only retrofags are weird.

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>>57163073

>using some of the heaviest copyrighted movie soundtrack ever in a fucking benchmark video

WAS THAT FUCKING NECESSARY.

Annoying to evade blocks just because faggots think they're badass for using old hardware

>>57163073

>speeding up footage of framerate tests

for what fucking purpose lmao

>>57163498
>27k views
>no fucks given

>>57163529
To show the result of the benchmark? lmao

>>57163498
Since god knows when youtube allows you to use nonfree music in your videos. It'll display that the music is from <insert copyright holder here> who allows you to use it, but any ad revenue the video makes goes to the original copyright holder, not you. or something along these lines.

>>57163014
>PnP needs some stuff written at startup in the Bios memory
topkek, 2/10, made me reply

>>57163615
When the original copyright holder has monetization for their content on youtube, then it's okay.

>>57148858
pretty good looks like this was taken in 1994 except for that fucking stool

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>>57162658
Not as retro, but still nude.

>>57162584
Love it that the CPU is designed for Windows.

>>57163676
oh boy how easy it was to clip off corners of that die

>>57163639
did people really make A1200 towers like that already in '94?

>>57158099
whats that thing with the blue diodes?

>>57164371
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covox_Speech_Thing

>>57164518
holy shit a self made sound card?

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>>57147035

>>57164567
I'ts a homemade dac. The sound is generated in software.

>>57164579
>AMD and Motorola on the same board
Bjuuti

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>>57163676
>>57163731
>Here's your cooler bro

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>>57165129
It was more like this one.

I don't have a picture of it. And holy hell did it make a lot of noise.

>>57163676
Why did people remove the heat spreader??

>>57165246
There was no heatspreader.

AMD CPUs used to come without them.
Like GPUs and Chipsets today.

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>>57165262
>>57165246
Added to that. I have a K6 CPU that actually had a heatspreader.
I don't know why they thought it would be a good idea to stop using them.

>>57165284
for a very small time they thought end users would be apt enough to properly apply t-paste and not crush anything

>>57165284
>I don't know why they thought it would be a good idea to stop using them.
Because the K7 series pumped out a lot more heat than the K6s ever did, mainly.

Fast forward to the present day and look at the kerfluffle over Intel not soldering down the heatspreader and using ordinary TIM to save money. Now consider how this would have gone over with a CPU like the Athlons of the day that had a never-exceed temperature a lot lower than the 100C that today's chips are okay with. I forget the exact number but I think you weren't supposed to go above 65 or 70C. This in an era where heatpipes in coolers were unheard of and 80mm fans were huge, most coolers had 50mm or 60mm fans.

also keep in mind that Intel CPUs of the era (Coppermine P3s and the derived Celerons) were bare-die also, and for the same reason. Actually P3s were even worse, since they didn't have the little foam dots in the corners to spread the load. An Athlon cooler would physically fit on a P3 but the increased pressure could chip a corner off the die.

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>>57165361
80mm were considered huge weren't they?

nothing a pound and a half of copper and and apache turbofan could not take care of

>>57165407
>Volcano 12

I think you just triggered my PTSD

Those things made Deltas sound quiet.

>>57156659
t. somebody who doesn't know JACK SHIT about photography

>>57162251
god I would love to hear the sick acid from those machines

>>57165407
all it gave me was tinnitus

and 100mhz at the lan

>>57147035
i have a PPC512 "portable" computer and a Spectravideo SVI 328
the spectravideo could be a good buy if u find it

>>57156665
It's more concentrated. You can't really ship SGIs, safely.

>>57165603
>Those things made Deltas sound quiet.
What is this meme?

>>57164579
Pics of CPU?

>>57164371
>blue diodes
they're resistors

>>57169159
it is the cpu
It's a Motorola 68k

>>57169418
That's the FPU you pleb

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>>57169159
probably a 16/33 MHz 68030 in a IIvx/vi desu

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>>57165407
I actually have one of those in the draw downstairs, but I don't use it in my current system because it's ridiculously loud. Instead I am using the Thermaltake Big Typhoon, the best heatsink produced for Socket A. AFAIK the only other heatpipe cooler for Socket A was the Thermalright SI-97, but I've never seen one for sale.

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>>57170149
Pic is my current setup. I replaced the fan on the Big Typhoon with a Scythe Gentle Typhoon, which is quieter than the original.

>>57154646
The thing is this approach is still not the most efficient approach you could do with that machine. This is trying to emulate the Windows look too hard. If you went with something more GNOME-like suited for the screen resolution it would be even more function than it is.

Imagine if that had been around in the 80s. The computer landscape would be far, far different. The internet would have taken off sooner, Japan would be a power house...

>>57170149
*drawer

>>57163110
He said the CMOS died m8.

>>57171319
What the fuck are you talking about?
He said the CMOS battery died.

>>57170184
why, just why?
you have a fetish for mid 2000's gayming PC's?

>>57170184
Where's the SoundBlaster Live! ?
Can't seem to find it on the picture...

>>57170311
Kek, you're delusional.

>>57171899
k

>>57171788
First PC I bought had an Athlon XP CPU and crappy Asrock K7VM4 motherboard. I've had a thing for Athlon XP-related stuff ever since.

>>57171810
I've thought about it but the onboard audio (Nvidia Soundstorm) is already really good and I can't really afford to spend anymore . It would probably be more logical to get a nice DAC with optical input and use the onboard sound anyway.

>>57171918
It would be more logical to bin it.

>>57171937
Spock agrees

>>57171937
It's way too beautiful to throw away. I'll kill myself if anything happens to it.

>>57172272
we know bro, we know....
don't we all

>>57172272
>decade old shitbox
>I'll kill myself if anything happens to it.
Wew lad. I wonder what people with NeXT Cubes and shit do when something happens to them.

>>57172489
next cubes?
fuck that shit

I'll nuke the world if something happens to my PDP-11

>>57171404
No shit, can you read? I just said that.

>>57171899
Can you faggots stop posting this shit? It isn't retro, and it doesn't look cool. Muh deepwebz desktup hurr durr.

>>57172748
>He said the CMOS died m8.
I don't see the word battery.

>>57171404

>CMOS battery dies
>CMOS is cleared
>configuration is gone

>>57172789
That's why the BIOS is on a ROM you imbecile.
With a clear CMOS it will just reload a default config.

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>>57172789
I also know he probably just had to replace the original BIOS because it had shit PnP compatibility.
But no need to make up some shit like "PnP needs to write on the BIOS chip itself." or that a clear CMOS is a unrecoverable problem.

>>57172802

>PnP saves in CMOS just like all the other configuration, no matter the BIOS ROM itself

>had to replace the original BIOS because it had shit PnP compatibility

So then what was your point in calling me an imbecile, when all I was saying is that his config was gone because the CMOS battery died?

>>57172858
You said the CMOS died, what would be a problem that a BIOS chip won't fix.
A dead CMOS battery is no problem, it will just reload the default configuration every time it looses power.
Instead most of the posts are some made up shit that has nothing to do with it.

>>57172897
It's not like I intentionally left out "battery".

Before I could reply to >>57172787, you post >>57172802.

>>57172930
I understand, your mistake.
Case closed.

>>57152495
lol at filename

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>>57169593
The IIvx/vi did not have socketed FPUs nor is >>57164579 resembling a IIvx/vi board layout.

>>57154875
It would have been easier just to replace the socket for future inconvenience, the only difference is size.
I could have understood that it's a 3.6V cell, those are almost impossible to find anymore.

Also >>57149853 is clearly is CR2032.

>>57165129
That's hoursfire m8

>>57164579
>dat dirty motherboard
ew, what a slob the owner must be

>>57173586
People don't give a fuck about your luddite shit, it's garbage, they make pictures and then sell them to you retards, the dust only makes it look older :^)

>>57173792
>being this buttblasted
kek

>>57148826
this screams bbs & warez

>>57161312
Lol you're a tranny

>>57173973
What? Why?
I'm a pretty overweight guy with acne, I think that's as far from tranny as it goes...

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here's my Apple //e

>>57174053
Fukken nice.
Where do you live?

>>57174053
sorry if it's rotated, dunno why that happened...

>>57174069
Phone pictures do that sometimes. No biggy.

>>57173988
>>57173988
You said it was a woman's desktop implyinh you were a ''woman''

>>57174068
Italy baby, I found it in a school near my town, it was supposed to be thrown away along with others of its kind... such qt's

>>57174100
Man I'd love to buy it from you.

>>57174132
sorry dude, find a school of your own!

>>57174092
>IMPLYING
kek, keep implying, I guess pictures here can't be someone else's, only their own

>>57174144
I bet you could not refuse my offer, but Italy is slightly too south to take a trip for just that.

>>57174162
Waggles eyebrows?

>>57174162
hit me, anyway I think you can still find a lot of //e around the web unlike apple II's...

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>>57174177

>>57174194
Anything in the Apple II series is hard as fuck to find in EU.

>>57174214
try here: subito dot it/annunci-italia/vendita/usato/?q=vintage+apple

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Hey guys. Check out what I got at the thrift store for $4.99

>>57174206
that's a wink

>>57174230
Thanks, but I'm not keen on shipping such old hardware.

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>>57174237
The software it came with

>>57174237
>>57174273
That's cool bro, welcome to the 90's

>>57174230
>I miss the power cord of the PC (I can not prove it, and I do not know whether it works)
>standard 3pin PC plug

>>57174283
I dunno. There is a Windows 2000 compatible sticker on it so it may be newer than that. I lived the 90s and still have some AMD k6s around the house somewhere. It was worth it alone just for the software. There are multiple copies of Office 2000 and XP there.

It came without a HDD, though. Should I just get a new HDD or would going the flash disk route be cheaper?

>>57174417
Flash disk, cheaper, faster and more reliable.
If you're a "must be time period correct", then people actually used CF cards already at the time, specially on portables.

>>57171842
nice shitpost

>>57174498
>Imagine if that had been around in the 80s. The computer landscape would be far, far different. The internet would have taken off sooner, Japan would be a power house...
>implying software wasn't already optimized as much as possible for the hardware of the time
>implying there weren't GUIs and OSs like that for 8 bits in the 80's
>implying the GUIs weren't suited for the tasks in hand
>implying it had anything to do with the internet
>implying Japan gave a fuck about any of that
>etc

Nice shitpost indeed.

>tfw i want to CF mod my 4th gen iPod classic
>tfw if i do that i will also need to hunt down a higher capacity battery because rockbox kills the ifixit one i have in there now

>>57174485
Yeah, I was already thinking of using CF cards but I need to buy an adapter and wait for that to ship separately. Do you know of the cheapest place to buy a fast CF card in this day and age?
I was also wondering if stuff like >>57154814 would be better since it is designed for IDE.

Is that like an SSD in that it has a ram cache to reduce writes?
I'm a bit worried about the finite write amounts with flash memory. Won't using Windows 2000 with the pagefile or whatever on it kill the disk pretty fast?

>>57174625
>but I need to buy an adapter and wait for that to ship separately.
ATA to CF adapters, 44pin ATA like your laptops, are 3€ on eBay.

>Do you know of the cheapest place to buy a fast CF card in this day and age?
They are very much in use, any computer shop will have them, 11€ for 4GB here, 8€ for 2GB, 16€ for 8GB, that's the usual price range of a good card.

>I was also wondering if stuff like >>57154814 would be better since it is designed for IDE.
Literary the same shit, CF is ATA, that card in that picture is just a CF card with a ATA connector. A normal CF card would probably be better because you can transfer files from a PC with a normal card reader if needed.

>Is that like an SSD in that it has a ram cache to reduce writes?
>I'm a bit worried about the finite write amounts with flash memory.
They use NAND, I encourage you to use the pagefile on it, huge performance boost.
Modern NAND chips are hard to kill with writes, it will take you decades to wear it out with normal use, even with a pagefile.

>>57174726
Also, >>57154814, is 40 pin ATA, laptops of that time use 44 pin. Power on the same connector.
Would need an adapter anyways.

>>57147940
I actually had an MSX2 machine some months ago... Had sell it, the amount of addon cartridges you need to make it do anything fun is too much and, being rare, their prices are ridiculous. Moonsound, FM-Pac, MSX-DOS cartridge just so you don't have to run shitty BASIC... yeah, no thanks. A C64 offers way more bang per buck and there's always GEOS...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OT3DoPty4Y

>>57174745
Can't I get a used laptop HDD for under $5 on eBay?

>>57175087
Make me a OS like SymbOLS for C64 and then come back.

>>57175105
Probably.

>>57175110
>SymbOLS
Holy shit autocorrect is a dick
SymbOS*

>>57175105
yes, ssd is a meme anyways, go for slower and shittier

>>57174485
>If you're a "must be time period correct", then people actually used CF cards already at the time, specially on portables.
Not as a primary mass storage device, on anything larger than a palmtop though, they were tiny and expensive as shit, and if you're going to use a modern GB+ card, well, that's definitely not "period correct" at all.

t. one of those people

>>57175405
If you care about speed you probably shouldn't be doing this stuff in the first place when emulators exist.

>>57175424
I used a 12GB ATA, what you now call, SSD, back in 2002 what I got from my company.
It was a thing, but it was more costly and the performance wasn't worth it.

>>57175467
it was solid state, but obviously not a CF card, you're right

>>57175467
I think I know what you're talking about, never seen one in the flesh though, or those even older abominations that were just battery-backed bricks of RAM chips with SCSI kludged on. He was talking about CF cards anyway, I don't even think those hit a gig until the mid 2000s, if you're going for period correctness on anything other than a handheld then a CF card is definitely out of the question for a primary storage device at least

>>57175447
You're right, I should bin my A1200 for buying that '060 and PPC expansion.
Also my XT, fuck, I was using a ATA drive and not a MFM on a XT, how stupid of me, into the trash it goes. Not to mention the DIY memory expansion, I mean, people never made memory expansion for those computers before, right? right?!
My Quadra? Man I chipped it, that's stupid, that goes into the trash too.

>>57175528
>He was talking about CF cards anyway
so unless he gets an hard drive that's exactly with a date code from the time, it's a bust
i mean using a bigger one would be exactly like using a CF card, no matter that they use the same protocol

>>57175542
>Amiga 1200
Kek, I actually used a cf card for main storage on my 1200 when the machine wasn't even a decade old yet
64 megs of pure solid storage, back then we called it a upgrade, faggots nowadays with their "muh authenticity"

>>57175121

I found this on eBay. Not bad for $8. Supposedly new too. The CF card would cost like $1.99 for the adapter plus another like $20 for a 32GB CF card. This seems like the better deal.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-5-inch-40GB-40G-IDE-PATA-Hitachi-Hard-Driver-DISK-HDD-For-Laptop-Notebook-/182108092099?hash=item2a667cf6c3:g:x5cAAOSwaB5XqJzE

>>57175649
It's up to you, good luck.
I personally don't care about pocket change when it comes to my retro machines.
Quality over quantity.

>>57175683
Well, it's not that retro of a machine plus I only paid $4.99 for the computer. I don't like the idea of spending more for storage than the computer.

>>57175705
4.99 for a pentium 3 craptop with a bunch of office cd's? that's fucked up

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>>57175424
>>57175447
are you from /vr/?

>>57175759
Is that fucked up in the good way or bad way?

>>57175856
free would have been better but that's ok

Lol, people think post-'95 x86 shit is "retro"

>>57175550
>so unless he gets an hard drive that's exactly with a date code from the time, it's a bust
Not really difficult to do, if that's what you're trying to imply. Not like he's running anything super obscure or hard to source parts for.
>i mean using a bigger one would be exactly like using a CF card, no matter that they use the same protocol
Indeed it would, I'm just saying it's not going to satisfy "period correctness" requirements for obvious reasons.

>>57176099
>>>/vr/

>>57176661
so you hate /vr/ but a ATA drive that's slightly larger triggers your autism? wew lad

>>57176661
Hard drive upgrades are pretty common, it's not like it's something super obscure that you away from hacks and keep it original .

>>57176896
What are you talking about? You were the one who brought up the notion of period-correctness in the first place, and yeah, using an 8GB CF card and adapter 10 years younger than the system in question in a way that never would have been used with it... not very period-correct, really. Are you going to tell me a 486 with a 1TB hard drive is 100% period correct because it still has spinning disks? Because that was basically what you implied with saying that using a big CF card as your primary storage device is A-OK if you have autism because people used 2MB CF cards in PDAs back then. It's a nonsensical statement.

>>57176966
Of course, you could never have enough storage back then. Doesn't have much of a bearing on this particular case, though.

>>57176661
>>>/vr/

yes pls go back to /vr/

>>57176099
This, hipsters.

>>57176661
Another example of wannabe hipster.

>>57177044
>t. autist who doesn't want people discussing things he didn't have when he was a kid

>>57175542
why are you getting so defensive? calm down, nobody's criticizing you for doing what you want with your shit you purchased, it's getting all bitchy and criticizing others' choices for trivial bullshit reasons that's being jumped on here, it's fucking 15+ year old hardware, who gives a fuck if someone wants to use "slow and shitty" hard disks with it, some people like that authenticity of it, others like the sound, whatever

this is why the original 2014 /retro/ threads died, because you whiny shits killed the them trying to impose your own personal definitions and values on everyone else in the most condescendingly obnoxious ways possible, and then threw tantrums like these when you inevitably got called out for it

>>57177038
>uses ATA protocol, not some hack
>did exist back then in size that was actually usable (talking about early 2000's)
>could have been done if you where a rich fag when the thing came out
>people actually used it like this 5-6 years after it came out because it was cheaper then a whole new laptop

Also, see people like
>>57175607
>>57175467
>>57175542

>Are you going to tell me a 486 with a 1TB hard drive is 100% period correct because it still has spinning disks?
Holy shit, are you retarded now? Why so buttblasted?

>>57177075
>t. Hipster

>I only build period correct computers with all parts released in the same year

>>57177095
>If you care about speed you probably shouldn't be doing this stuff in the first place when emulators exist.
>why are you getting so defensive?
>telling people who actually use their hardware to fuck off and use emulators
you where the kind of people who killed the retro threads on /g/, you told people how to not use their shit

>>57177095
No people like you did. Sorry.

>>57177154
it's probably just bait, ignore it

>>57177095
Dude, some justin wannabe just posted some stupid joke about SSDs and you go all buttblasted on it, calling on others who enjoy their shit, someone just asked about hard drives and CF cards and there was a pretty big post explaining about it.

But you start buttblasting about emulators and shitting on people who don't use their hardware period correctly, that's /vr/ tier shit and people here don't like that.

>>57177208
kek, this actually sounds exactly like a SSD vs HDD thread

>>57177143
jesus christ what a fucking crybaby

the point isn't that you should dump your shit and use emulators, because once a fucking gain, it's your shit, you bought it, do what you want, I have a few accelerated systems myself

it's that you're coming in here and getting ferociously triggered by "hipsters" or whatever the strawman of the day is because OH MY GOD they want to use SHITTY OLD SLOW hard disks in their old systems because they LIKE IT (what a holocaust, fucking stupid hipster plebs!) and you're putting them down because of it

we just want to discuss *old* shit (yes, OLD shit where maybe not all of us give a fuck how fast it is), not be lectured by some whiny bitch about the same dumbass shit we come into these threads to avoid, if I wanted to whine about framerates and boot times and shitpost about SSDs vs. hard drives I would go into literally any other fucking thread on the board right now

>>57177154
>no u
what a weak ass cop out, fuck off

>>57177162
>people that don't agree with me are baiting

>>57177362
Why so butthurt tho? Someone was trolling and you start shitting on the whole thread.

>>57177362
>OH MY GOD they want to use SHITTY OLD SLOW hard disks in their old systems because they LIKE IT
When did I ever say anything about that? You just got a witty remark for talking about emulators or that speed on old computers does not matter.

>triggered by "hipsters"
Yes, people on retro threads don't like people who don't appreciate their hardware, weird, uh?

>>57177038
>>57177095
>>57177362
don't tell me you came from /vr/ from the retro computer thread because someone linked a post from this thread there, there's never anyone shitposting so hard about period correctness or even mentioning emulators, not even as bait, until today

>>57177362
>I have a few accelerated systems myself
Neat, care to share?

>>57177432
because it's like 2014 all over again, too many bitter, whiny people (yes even myself included) lecturing everyone about a bunch of trivial shit and acting smug about it

>>57177436
>When did I ever say anything about that?
>>57175405
>yes, ssd is a meme anyways, go for slower and shittier
this is what I originally replied to, don't even think it was you, but that's not very relevant, because I wasn't addressing you specifically really

>Yes, people on retro threads don't like people who don't appreciate their hardware, weird, uh?
???
why is loving your gear just the way it came out of the factory and putting in some effort to keep it that way "not appreciating hardware"? and I mean, couldn't you say the same about people tossing out the original still working parts to replace them with newer components because the originals just aren't fast or convenient enough?

>>57177579
not really, I find the /vr/ threads quite insufferably boring and overly restrictive desu, every time I go there it seems to be mostly discussion on home 8-bits which I couldn't give a fuck about and most of my recent projects tow the retarded "no post-1995 because we weren't kids then but here's a bunch of grey area shit" rule so much that it's just not worth it

>>57177667
nothing really super exciting admittedly, just a couple lucky recycler rescues, a Power Mac 7100/80AV with a G3/300 upgrade and a 7600/200 with a G4/450, they need a little TLC still so maybe I'll blog about them when I dig them out again to fix them up if anyone gives a shit, hoping to put the 7600 to work as a bridge box

>>57175649
Well, I broke down and bought one of these HDDs from eBay. I'm pretty sure 40GB HDDs existed back in 2000. (not that I care)
I just wanted something cheap but I still paid more for the drive than the computer. Also, the battery seems to be stone dead so I guess I'm out of luck there. I already have a CompactFlash wifi card with PCMCIA adapter for my Handheld PCs so that should work for networking.

>mfw IE autocorrects CompactFlash

>>57178118
>this is what I originally replied to
Yeah, I understood, I just jumped in somewhere, that even if you would use a CF card with a computer like that, it's not that wrong, if you where super autistic and rich, you could have done it back then too, the hardware existed, just not it that size.

>why is loving your gear just the way it came out of the factory and putting in some effort to keep it that way "not appreciating hardware"?
No, I didn't mean that, that's perfectly fine and tandy, but hipsters who are like "I found this and what is it and what do I do with it now?" kind of attitude, that's shit.

>>57178207
Yeah, it's about 10x bigger than the one it came with originally, but as you said, no fucks given. As long it works fine.
Awesome, WiFi on a fucker like that is neat.

Maybe you can source a cheap used battery that still keeps charge and replace the cells. Just an idea.

In my opinion the average normie doesn't need anything newer than Office 2000 or Office 97. (myself included) They still work just fine on the latest versions of Windows too.

>>57178301
That's true. It's retarded our office suits today need ridiculous hardware just to run smoothly doing the same shit they did back in '97.

>>57178301
What's even sillier is that everyone in my office, which uses Office 365, still saves their files in the pre-XML Office '97 format. I have no idea why, and neither do they.

Every so often I have to do some minor technoarcheology when an Office upgrade breaks compatibility, or someone needs access to an old file that hasn't been opened in a decade. Like a while ago I had to pull out an old Pentium II machine and an XP laptop to daisy chain from Access '97 to Access 2003 to Access 2013, because the DB was password-protected and 2013 didn't support that feature.

>>57178500
Holy shit, I'm having a kek here

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Is a SPARCstation IPC worth it for cheap?

How hard is it to find a keyboard and mouse for it?
Is it possible to make an adapter yourself?

The video out is VGA just with a weird connector right?
What's some neat stuff you can do with it?

Thanks.

>>57178500
Why not just install Access 97 and 2003 on the new machine? They're compatible... Well, unless you like fun.

>>57178695
It was easier to find machines running old versions of Access than it was to find install media for old versions of Access. Turns out Access isn't included in most Office SKUs.

>>57178244
>that even if you would use a CF card with a computer like that, it's not that wrong, if you where super autistic and rich, you could have done it back then too
yeah I can see you there, though CF cards were really tiny back then even if you had a lot of money, don't even think you could source a >1GB one until the mid 2000s, so you'd end up having to use some autism-wrecking newer card that to me just looks hackish since it clashes a bit

been kind of into the idea of microdrives lately though, mostly because the tech is interesting and they're not all that expensive

>>57178573
how cheap are we talking? IPCs are a little on the old side, not a big deal in itself but more in sourcing software to run on them, the commercial stuff that runs on these systems is really poorly archived, so you'll probably end up using a lot of mothballed freeware if you go with Solaris, and from what I've heard from my friends with lunchboxes, they aren't very stellar with newer operating systems, even *BSDs

but I would say despite that they still have a lot of appeal if you're into the development side of things (especially if you can find some good compilers) and I personally always thought they would have potential as cute little terminal servers for hanging DOS/other legacy clients off of, especially since SunOS seems to have shipped with bsd-games installed by default for some reason, since I've found it set up even on pizzaboxes that were just used as machine controllers

as far as keyboards go, it's pretty easy to source din-8 stuff for them, look for a set with a ball mouse rather than a laser one since they usually need mousepads with special reflective patterns, might run you about $20-$35 but you can use them on any newer SPARC gear you get too, and Sun stuff will run just fine with a passive 13W3->VGA adapter on any VGA monitor that supports sync-on-green

>>57178573
>How hard is it to find a keyboard and mouse for it?
Shouldn't be hard, used a proprietary connector so they're no use for anything else.

>>57171899
nobody has ever posted a source to this so its completely reasonable to assume that this is a flash animation

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people are fighting about if a device with a pata protocol on a pata board is wrong or right lol
i say fuck it

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Assuming this is a fully functional 400, a couple game carts, and a broken tape drive, how much would you offer this guy? $200 seems delusional compared to eBay.

>>57178953
>to me just looks hackish since it clashes a bit
To me hackish would be something like SCSI2SD, but something that uses the same protocol? Not really, it's just that size of CFs wasn't usable at the time that triggers peoples autism.

But I can respect that, I would never use anything else then a MFM drive in my 8088.

>>57174237
I HAVE THAT SAME LAPTOP!

>>57179117
$200 does not seem that bad, if you would really want it that would be a price actually I would consider actually paying instead of waiting for years for a good deal, I mean, it is in a box and stuff, eBay goes for about same with a box and stuff.

Thrift store?
Try it before buying.

>>57178953
I can't seem to find any keyboards or mice for it in Europe though.

>>57154646
>in using hardware used on modern hardware

>>57179254
topkekkers

>>57149399
>>57149892
>>57150040
You should think about making fronts of those drives from wood too. It's totally doable, but needs some love. Well, if you'd be willing to go as far, you might as well work a little on the case itself as it is a little rough.

>>57179119
yeah I'm with you, the interface isn't really the "hackish" part to me, mostly just the aesthetics of it, stuff like >>57179074 looks so out of place, but like you said, can still respect it, makes file transfers more convenient and will keep your data a little safer, old drives don't fail often in my experience but when they do it sucks shit

>>57179168
did you look for something specific or have you just been blanket searching thus far? try searching for a type-5, they're quite ubiquitous, there are also PS/2 adapters around made for use in KVM switches like the Belkin OmniView

even if you can't find one, you can still grab yourself a cheap DB25 gender changer and just access it through a serial console, you'll be able to get it set up at the very least, and run textmode applications of course

>>57165361
Well, my P3 only had a passive heatsink. I upgraded the original one by inserting long strips into it cut out from a very thin sheet of aluminium from a beer can (with removed paint and epoxy coating), and spread them from it like a fan or a peacock tail but in two directions so it looked kinda like a half-sphere. I use that technique from time to time till this day (last time for my rpi3).
I can't even describe how silent my computer was.

These threads used to be cool, now they are full on early 2000's PC stuff...

>>57158099
DAC?

>>57180217
Then post whatever e-fedora you're jerking off to at the moment and stop bitching about it. Our /vr/ counterpart is also still going strong if you just want to jerk it to the same old shitty '80s kiddo computers all day.

>>57180217
It's going to happen as a consequence of the /vr/ retrocomputing thread's restriction on x86 machines. The two threads complement each other well enough.

>>57172760
shut the fuck up stupid cunt

>>57174283
PIII laptops were sold until like 2002 or 2003.

>>57180469
DAC.

>>57174537
>implying software wasn't already optimized as much as possible for the hardware of the time

The entire point of SymbOS was to show that it was not. Everything else you said there is either wrong or inaccurate as well.

Bum

>>57183933
Holy shit you're dumb.
Tell that to GEOS or Workbench.

>>57185173
You're wrong. Those run on much latter and several times faster hardware.

>>57147163
390x here get rekt

>>57185359
GEOS ran on the Commodore 64 dumbshit