Server 2016 - Ask Away

>>57112307

Whats actually better compared to 2012 R2?

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News:
> there is ram compression by default (wow)
> the standard "Desktop Server" is now not the default, by default you get the cmd only core edition, but it's there in the installer
> I upgraded from Server 2012R2 with no issue, with RDP only (!), and it came back online
> KMS activation works (NOT THAT I EVER WOULD DO THAT)
> they included the best calc in it
> pic related

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>>57112318
I checked numerous materials, like presentations and stuff and I could not find any.

You get away from the monstrous 8.1 interface.
You get the horrible 10 interface.

Like the double Control Panel.
Ram compression too, it's there, but on a server?
A few updates came down, it's also "CUMulative" now. Eww.

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Mind you, this is a stock Server 2016.
WHICH AUTO RESTARTS AFTER AN UPDATE.

What the FUCK MS?!

Well, time to restart.
Then I will try to install Vmware Workstation.
> inb4 hyper-v
Hyper-V is comfy and good (to some degree), but only if you have dedicated IPs. The target machine has only one IP and I just NAT ports, poor man's method.

>>57112330
By "any" I mean it's mostly geared towards this new IoT world, and getting ran inside containers, and running containers, that kind of stuff.

Basically they try to make it a minimalistic Linux server-like something something.

But if you pick the desktop edition, it's a Windows 10 with Server features. (well, just like how the 2012R2 was a 8.1 with server features.)

>>57112319
Oh yeah, and the title bar / frame looks fucking neat. That's some fine feature right there!

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>>57112319
>RAM compression
>literally swap with higher CPU usage
>HDD is at least at 80 % usage

Why is this a feature?

>>57112307
Why would anyone run a Windows server when free software LAMP stacks beat the shit out of all proprietary offerings?

>>57112367
Fuck if I know. I read that it's only a desktop feature. And it arrived only as an update to 10, so I am really, really surprised it's in there.

>>57112373
Beats the shit out of me, again.
I mean, it's comfy for sure, the desktop edition.
But the Core - which is the "new and hip" thing, is like having to SSH into a Linux server.

I can only imagine running these if you have some Windows-only stack, but why would anyone do that? It's just weird.


Any requests? Machine is totally throwaway.

New feature:
> Defender is now installed / running by default
> MAPS is off by default (this botnet feature of it)

>>57112318
>Whats actually better compared to 2012 R2?
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/10/hands-on-with-windows-server-2016-the-os-with-its-foot-in-everything/
read and be enlightened
>upped security, Hyper-V, containers (i.e. docker), virtualization beyond VMware for a smaller sticker-price

By the way it's quite nice.
It's Windows 10, with all the features and no botnet shit.

Like no meme Store, no "Web apps" and crap like that. It's how Windows 10 should have been. Except the two Control Panels maybe.

But yeah, it's pretty good.
So if you have MSDNAA (ImagineX, DreamSpark), you may want to check it out if you want a better 10.

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Speed is alrite.

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dxdiag shows dx12 too.

> vmware 12.5 works fine
> there is nat in the vm, lubuntu installs

> .net 3.5 is installable, works fine
> hmailserver runs

Well, it looks solid.
I might install it over my deployed 2012R2.
Though, these updates do worry me a bit...

>>57112475
If it's like previous versions of Server, it's hard to make it into a workstation OS because no Bluetooth stack.

>>57112524
Oh, I never noticed that..
I used Server 2008R2 and 2012R2 for a long while on desktops. Even on laptop.

To be honest I had a bluetooth in my laptop since like 7 years, but never used it once. It's just useless.

For file transfer? It's slow.
For data connection? Slow.
For voice call? Samsung SideSync.

I don't know.
What do you use it for?

>>57112534
Headsets; for Music, voice & video calls
>mfw: not being tethered to the 'mobile pizza-box' able to do whatever shit while still churning thoughts & concepts ;)

>>57112566
I have never seen a serious headset that used Bluetooth.
I can understand why people use bluetooth headsets for calls while driving for example, but while I am at my PC?
I mean you could just hook it up to the phone directly?

But yeah, we are all different.

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>>57112600
Also there is no "Desktop" role anymore, Windows Audio is present as a service by default.

BUT THE UPDATES, FUCK.
There is no settings whatsoever.
It's ridiculous.

I don't want to mess in Group Policy on a SERVER unless absolutely needed.
As you can see it's the 10 Update window with NO changes.
If I go into Advanced? Same shit, it's just the 10 manager.

>>57112619
Fuck off, mate. Seriously?
No control whatsoever? Check out "For developers" tab.

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>>57112644
Nope.
It's the Windows 10 panel no doubt.
And of course Windows Update is missing from Control Panel (old one) entirely.

What were they thinking?

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>>57112644
Oh and there is a nice bug too.
If you install new stuff, you can't click the start menu entry until you reboot the machine.
Not kidding, it's even mentioned on Microsoft's website.

lol.
So now I can't click Vmware in the Start until I reboot.
Of course I can just open it by hand if I navigate there in Explorer, but ..wow.
This is a SERVER product. A really, really expensive one at that..

>>57112600
>I have never seen a serious headset that used Bluetooth.
what's your definition of a "serious headset"?

>I mean you could just hook it up to the phone directly?
No because that's via Bluetooth also. "Decent" Bluetooth headsets are multi-device capable. In my case Desktop, Laptop (when mobile) and Smartphone.
Bluetooth stack 4.2 + AptX (Qualcomm) does the job perfectly - especially since the average human ear ranges only from 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz and most music is 384kbps AAC/MP3 anyway.

>>57112619
>>57112678
What happened with the "Defer Updates" feature, like win 10 Pro has, is that gone ?

How does one """ secure""" a windows desktop or server?

>>57112703
>How does one """ secure""" a windows desktop or server?
simple https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/ncp/repository/checklistDetail?id=560

>>57112678
>>57112690
What the fuck is wrong with Microsoft.
Are they really trying to sabotage themselves?

>>57112703
Desktop? By using Common Sense, and an anti-virus?
Norton's SecureDNS might also help.
uBlock in your browser is also a must.

Other than that, there is nothing more you can do.

Server?
> Install an "RDP anti bruteforce" tool.
I use "Evlwatcher", it's a small little tool but works wonders.
> Install Avast Business (it's free), or use Defender now I guess
> You can also install Malware Bytes, run it sometimes
> Move away the RDP port to random number
> USE Firewall. Deny ALL by default. Enable ports you need before enabling of course.
> Use strong password, you can save it in Remote Desktop app anyway

I think that's it.
People been having RDP out in the open and they remained safe.

>>57112698
There is "Defer Updates", see
>>57112690

But not sure if that helps at all.
Like that is just about Feature Updates, security updates would still come and make the machine restart itself.

On a scale from not to botnet, how botnet is it?

>>57112698
> Bluetooth stack 4.2 + AptX (Qualcomm) does the job perfectly
That requires a decent laptop / bt chip, and a fresh AND expensive headset.
But yeah it could work.

I am the lazy kind, I just buy like a better Audio-Technica, Sennheiser or some other wired headphone, since the laptop already has a stereo mic by default and it's perfect for Skype business calls and such.

>>57112734
0.
There are no botnet-y things in it really.
Even "Apps" are missing and stuff like that.

>>57112720
no, it's called "security updates are deployed ASAP w/o the nitwits able to 'accidentally'preventing it, because they are too lazy to deal with it now" ;-)
just an additional method of preventing spread of malware.

>>57112746
I guess it's good for who are stupid enough to use windows server.

>>57112746
What if you run something? Like a computation, and it gets interrupted?
Most long-term servers do have services and are prepared for graceful restarts, but fuck, that should not be the norm.

Worth switching from W10 or should i wait for couple of months?

>>57112534
Mouse, nothing more nothing less. BT mouse on my laptop...

>>57112367
It's around for a while on Linux
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zram

>>57112764
>What if you run something? Like a computation, and it gets interrupted?
Virtualisation that hands over the current process to another VM or for those who do not use virtualization, the state of the process is being saved and continued afterwards.

>>57112768
I can't really try games I guess...
Or I will install Steam or something... one sec.

>>57112783
Oh man, not everyone has a 10 machine cluster for Hyper-V, holy fuck.
I mean sure, this might happen in nutella's head, but the reality is quite different.

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> open steampowered
> this welcomes me
... well.

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>>57112800

>>57112797
>I can't really try games I guess...
>Or I will install Steam or something
>games
>Steam
on a server.....! =8-{

>Oh man, not everyone has a 10 machine cluster for Hyper-V, holy fuck.

Then you don't do "computation" (in the Corporate/Enterprise IT sense) of you do not use load-balancer/fail-over systems, comrade ;-)

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>>57112818
I want my VR, but there is no linux support.

>>57112818
>on a server.....! =8-{
It's a rented one, I installed it solely to test if my 2012R2 environment would work on 2016.
And it does.

So now it's free for all.

> Then you don't do "computation" (in the Corporate/Enterprise IT sense) of you do not use load-balancer/fail-over systems, comrade ;-)
Yeah but as a poor plebeian I can buy a license to run my software, or a purchased software, or whatever.
Or I _was_ able to do that.

>>57112836
Well there is no VR standard either.
And no hardware to drive VR properly.
And no proper titles except cash grab 5 minute Unity ones.

So yeah. I wonder when will the "death of VR #2" will happen.
Then we can wait another 5-10 years until the industry tries to resurrect it again.

>>57112836
>>57112838

>I want my VR, but there is no linux support.

>Yeah but as a poor plebeian I can buy a license to run my software

hhmm, okay let me ask you this, what do you need windows SERVER 2016 for? (or Server 2012R2 for that matter)

>>57112367
The throughput is higher than swap, it's better for some usecases. And it isn't that stressing on CPU.

>>57112842
Don't get me wrong, VR has it's uses for sure.
Like surgery, HoloLens's PROMISE looks great and all that.
It's just not here yet, we are not quite ready.
The industry also gone backwards.

>>57112850
> running services, virtualization, VPN, etc
> why do you need a Server if you don't have a cluster of 2000 brand machines in 4 datacenters in cluster with cross-continent replication?

Gee, I wonder anon...
Maybe now everyone is supposed to just buy a DigitalOcean VPS?
Is that the future? Just pay for Azure and don't buy servers?

What a wonderful future... or present.

>>57112842
>Well there is no VR standard either.
True. Fuck oculus.
>And no hardware to drive VR properly.
HTC Vive is pretty good. Just need a better screen. But alright start anyway.
>And no proper titles except cash grab 5 minute Unity ones.
I'm a dev, so it's not a problem.

>>57112850
I just need windows without botnet, because i have no choice.

>>57112475
Why? I think virus-free apps are better than malicious .exe for the general public... But then again, I am a tech who makes a living off virus + spywarez rm ( ^:

Will it run my favourite vidya without problems?

>>57112872
>I just need windows without botnet, because i have no choice.
>>57112867
running services, virtualization, VPN, etc

Granted, then use Win 10 Pro, ant tweak the services (as I do), and use the Hyper-V in Win 10 Pro.
A decent "gamer paltop" like the ASUS Republic Of Gamer"-series has sufficient horsepower for that, can game, and has plenty of RAM capacity for virtualization (up to 32 or 64 GB ram)

>Is that the future? Just pay for Azure and don't buy servers?
unless you want to have it off the grid/internet (i.e. intranet only, or extremely filtered/controlled access via VPN) there's hardly any need for dedicated hardware on-site.

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>>57112872
Yeah but the adoption rate is very low.
A machine that can drive a VR set is pretty costly.
Then there is the price of the headset.

Then there is no content, so why would you pay so much in the first place?
So yeah, problems all around.
I think it just needs time, like at least the hardware needs to be affordable.
Maybe 3-5 years?

>>57112878
Sorry I don't get that one.
Maybe you replied to the wrong reply?

>>57112891
We will see in a bit.

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>>57112906
>>57112891
Sorry son, it's Remote Desktop (and no RemoteFX).
But it should work.

There is DX12.
There is Audio. (You have to enable it in Services, but that's like 10 seconds of time.)

So it should work.

>>57112900
> use 10 Pro
Which also has shit updates? Which has no LTB capability?
And I am supposed to put a ROG "Gamer Paltop" into a server room?

What?
Whaaaaat?

A normal server (like the ones I have now) just run endlessly, for months, long years.
They sit on a gpbs link and provide all I need.

I think you miss a huge segment in the middle.
Like you see the r=1 dumb consumer side, then you hop a huge one and arrive at the "BIG ASS ENTERPRISE".

But 90% is between the two. Companies who run their services, universities and whatnot.
They do run their own servers. Hell, even Office 365 (big enterprise one) requires onsite servers.
Azure is a huge cashgrab. No small / mid business will ever be able to afford it.

>>57112878
>But then again, I am a tech who makes a living off virus + spywarez rm ( ^:
been there, done that, from the 80's up to the 2000's. Things changed when Win7 came around. With each iteration after that (8.x, 8.1 and now 10) it's getting increasingly harder for windows to "catch shit".
On top of things, people are moving away from laptops and desktops. Tables and phablets are replacing the average "internet users" devices. Considering all they do is surf, email, watch porn, youtube and facebook.
Especially if a ChromeCast is attached to the living-room TV

You need to find a different venue before the well dries up - trust me, I've been there.

>>57112918
>They sit on a gpbs link and provide all I need.
Like yes, there is redundancy, but it's so easy to set up a redundant/fail-over stack with replication.
And you don't need fancy equipment, or decades of training either, it takes a few days only and it will be functional for years to come.

>>57112921
But you don't even need to write crap nowadays.
It's almost always social engineering with some known payload.
Then having a command server. If that's the purpose.

Otherwise, you code a crappy locker software and set up a BTC wallet or something.
There are no great viruses nowadays anymore.

>>57112918
>Azure is a huge cashgrab. No small / mid business will ever be able to afford it.
indeed
that's why I get those on Google's Apps For Work (or G-works or what they call it now/soon)
minimal overhead, available everywhere and it just works for only 5 bucks/user/month.
does intranets, office, loads of storage, multi-device capable with minimal setup, and real-time multi-user collaboration.

>>57112944
I was thinking about Dropbox Business, and if they introduce Infinite, I might do it.

Also GApps / Office 365 are collaboration tools.
The services I mentioned, those run on server.
For example our accounting uses Firebird service that runs on said servers, and is reached through VPN.

There is no other way, fuck SAP and the rest.
Their only job is to make overcomplicated tools that will make you lose even more money.
But indeed their marketing is nice, and what else you need for a CEO with money and no brain?

>>57112891
After trying ARMA 3, Vegas 2, I can say it wont work on RDP.
But it would run without trouble, they all start, install, etc, just can't render 3D through Remote Desktop.
(No wonder...)

>>57112980
>I was thinking about Dropbox Business, and if they introduce Infinite, I might do it.
I'dnt use Dropbox - not after they lost ~70 million passwords & co.
Google has never been hacked/breached nor lost any passwords. Google has a much bigger Infrastructure for it to stay sustained for the next decade or two even. I can't say that for Dropbox being only a cyberlocker.

is there a specific reason why firebird instead of mysql ?

about SAP, yeah, those are for the global 5000 only

>>57112499
why would you sensor your cpu model

>>57113030
>I'dnt use Dropbox - not after they lost ~70 million passwords & co.
They also have Condolezza on the Board, so yeah.
Red flags all over the place, I know.
But the deduplication and the much-advanced client is so comfy.
There is the file versioning too, even a simple user can do it.

On the contrary, the Google Sync client feels very clunky.
Honestly, I thought they will up their game after they released it, but it's kinda like stuck in that state ever since.

Onedrive Business is also similarly priced (Office 365 that gives you Office... now there is a sub that gives you Win10 as well.) The business sync client has file versioning support, but it's also kinda clunky.

Also group work is again, comfiest in Dropbox.
Sad how the best tools have the worst red flags on them...

>>57113052
Reflex, it's an E3 though.

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Based Czech devs!
ARMA3 runs on RDP in full screen.
lol.

It's got like 3 whole FPS though.
But it looks nice, and it runs.

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>>57113067
Sorry about the png.
As you can see it was running from 100% software, lol.

Now I still wonder, should I upgrade my personal rented one.
But this update shit nags the fuck out of me.
I want my server to at least run, lol.

>>57113058
Google is designed from the ground up to run (just about) everything in the cloud off thin clients (like chromebooks/chrometops) or just the web-browser, that's why the sync tool is 'clunky'.
Has the added feature that's a really hardened infrastructure. Unless you throw some state-sponsored malware-hacking machine at it, chromeOS/G-drive & company is a fortress and nearly impenetrable

>>57113058
I have the database you're talking about. It's hashed in unsalted sha1 & blowfish.


Practically uncrackable. AND it only contains emails

>>57113151
I never worried about getting hacked, I always use random strong passwords with KeePass and a local database, with Two-Step auth if needed. I mean, if anyone holds their data precious, this is a must.
But, thanks for the info.
I also grabbed a few dbs when I cracked a few things.

>>57113132
Well yeah, but you can't really do "real work" on a ChromeOS device.
I mean it's great for a big multinational company where workers mostly just use a browser, and chat maybe.
Hell, it's perfect for that.

But then again, in my line of work, for example, we have software for calculations, we work/print CAD, 3D files, there are software to pick out equipment and whatnot. Then there is Office that you use to make your quotation/proposal, whatever. So the whole idea of just a browser... yeah, it seems impossible.

>>57113151
>Practically uncrackable.
that's what you think, chief. Modern brute-force rents a Google or ECC cloud for a few hours and let some 100,000 VMs go to town on it.

or in related news uses zombified IoT's to DDoS the shit out of Akamai that terrabits are hammering your services.

>>57113194
well ok, you rent 100,000 VMs to brute force my 40-50 length password.
let's say that's possible.

now you have a 20,000$ bill on your head.
and you have to enter my auth code.

but, you have to figure out something before I change my password because I get a "new unknown login" email.

well, if no questions are left, I will wipe the server.

>>57112373
Because not every server is a webserver you fuckin dork.

>>57112341
>but only if you have dedicated IPs
Are you retarded? Why would anyone not have dedicated IPs in a private network?

>>57113030
>Google has a much bigger Infrastructure for it to stay sustained for the next decade or two even.
Google a shit. They do not even manage to get their shitty cloud service fixed. Upload stops if you put some more gigs into the local folder and never manages to resume upload again unless you reinstall that shitty app.
I don't believe business apps are any better.

>>57113344
I never had issues, and I shuffle multigigs ISO's around

>>57112619
what's wrong with changing settings in group policy... it's more concrete than using that shitty new control panel

>>57113407
>what's wrong with changing settings in group policy... it's more concrete than using that shitty new control panel
true but you're pretty much limited on how long you can defer.
i.e. automatic restarts only up to 180 minutes past your "active hours", and you can set only max. 12 hours as active hours.

>>57113407
I forgot to add...
worst case scenario, temporarily DISABLE the windows Update Service - that's what I do on my MEdia-server at home, so it doesn't kill my VPN all the time with automatic reboots ;-)

>>57112678
nigga pls

win+r sconfig

thats how you can pick whatever update you want :^)

>no botnet

Is there any downsides to using it as a desktop OS? Drivers? Software? Everything werks?

>>57113290
I mean, public outside IPs, that you use for the clients/guests.

>>57113407
Its a crucial setting that should not be hidden.
And yes, the new Control Panel is atrocious.

>>57113494
I want to restart whenever I want.
I don't want to pick updates.

Quick and probably stupid question: this or Edu for everyday use?

>>57112307
How does its multipoint capabilities compare to multipoint server 2012 premium?

>>57112619
I haven't updated 10 in 4 months because I am boss. What is your excuse for not editing the registry once and exporting the settings to reuse? Or for not writing a powershell script?

>>57114249
I have the simple DataCenter ready, not the Multipoint one.
But on MDL you can find the Multipoint iso

>>57114170
Edu? If you have Edu license, you have DataCenter Server 2016, you have 10 Pro, everything.
Edu is gay.

>>57114417
That is not how it supposed to fucking work mate.
> why dont you just block requests on router

I am using a legitimate software, on a brand machine.
And I am required to write, deploy and use hacks to keep using it?
It's like I am using XP rearm tactics or some shit.
But I am not.

I just want a fuuucking OS.

Btw I would use Proxmox, it's pretty fucking nice, but only with dedicated IPs.
Setting up NAT + forward into guests there is a PAIN IN THE FUCKING ASS. (Not exaggerating.)

who are you talking to?

>server's active hours are 00-24
>can't select that as an option
bravo microsoft

>>57116364
Please get an appointment, I am worried about you anon.

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>>57113052
>sensor

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>>57113052

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>>57113052

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>>57113052
>sensor

I am pretty excited about nano server. I heard that you can now make <100 MB installs of Windows Server.

>>57118238
well its a win32 thingie that runs win32 thingies.
it's not really a Windows Server...

But yeah.
the rpi Windows is also free.