Talos Workstation

>>57083821
I want to see them succeed but I'm only interested in a second iteration of the base product with a smaller cost.
So they won't get any money from me at this point.

>see prices for all of it
>to own "free hardware" is god damned fucking expensive, like way way more expensive than Intel or AMD based hardware
>fuck the free world, I'll pay the price for superior compatibility
>stupid fucking people will be the death of us all

useless

>>57083844
Yeah, I wouldn't buy the first iteration. Mostly because there's a high chance of someone fucking up something.

>>57083821
>powerpc

Is there an inherent advantage in PowerPC over x86? 4 grand for a motherboard is daylight robbery.

>>57083901
- Completely open
- Sanic fast
- The mobo has an FPGA included

>>57083901
nostalgia

>>57083901
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10435/assessing-ibms-power8-part-1/

>>57083913
>sanic fast
How fast are we talking?

>fpga

That's nice, but doesn't justify the pricetag.

>>57083938
Much faster in multi-threaded workloads than Xeons, but draw about twice the power.

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>>57083821
>tfw I am such a poorfag I will never afford it

>>57083972
this

tfw no middleground, ARM/MIPS are cheap but slow, OpenPOWER is fast but expensive as fuck

Looks great! Libreboot has recommended this, I think because the bootloader it uses is fully free software and it could be incorporated into libreboot.

This would be useful for a server or workstation with very sensitive information, since there's no Intel Mangement Engine or other hardware components that require unauditable (proprietary) software and could compromise security.
https://libreboot.org/faq/#intel

The price is pretty high, but I think this is the highest-performance board yet that meets those standards. One day it could be seen in a complete desktop or workstation that qualifies for the FSF's Respects Your Freedom certification.

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>>57083821
I'll donate a few dollars and hope the cost comes down soon. Opening fully open hardware sounds nice.

>>57083901

>$4000 is a lot for a piece of pre-production hardware

Do you even know how mass production works?

>>57084099
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqhI1w1CwlQ

>>57084044
>ARM/MIPS
isn't even open.

>>57083845

/fio

>>57083821
Doesn't really sound that out of place, except isn't POWER9 out already? Not to mention I don't really know of any retailers selling POWER stuff.

>>57083821
Great idea but shitty funding

>>57083901
POWER is not PowerPC. They use the same ISA and that's about it.

>>57084220
ARM no, MIPS yes.

>>57084523
I thought PowerPC was an ISA. So they're two different hardware implementations of the same instruction set? Sounds pretty similar.

>>57084612
PowerPC is its own ISA but shares a lot with POWER. They're not the same like the other guy said.

will it be good for video games?

>>57085301
If they make it them for the power architecture sure.

>>57085301
Not much beyond open source stuff like Battle for Wesnoth, Super Tux Kart, and 0ad since most games are precompiled for x86. It has the power for it though. It would probably make a killer video editing/rendering machine with Blender and ffmpeg. Man I'd love to get my hands on one of these some day.

>>57085709
Hey how are openshot and kdenlive for video editing? I've always just used blender for video editing and compositing but I guess there are other options in the open source world. That's kind of nice.

>>57084535
Pretty sure they recently sued somebody.

Is it possible to "cross compile" x86 binaries for POWER? What I have in mind is replacing all x86 opcodes with one or more POWER ones but I don't know if that's completely retarded or possible. If you could do that, and assuming the same libraries existed on each system, would it work?

>>57084044
The price will come down soon anon. I can feel it.

>>57083821
>this will never get funded

>this will
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/antsylabs/fidget-cube-a-vinyl-desk-toy

Fuck this gay earth

I need PCI-e 3/4, openCAPI, and RS-232 all on the same board :(

>>57087930
>6 million smackeroos
>For a toy
Meanwhile this product that would actually help change the face of computing is struggling at less than $70K.
I want to die.

If $10 000 fall into my lap some time in the next 2 months, I'll back it for sure.

>>57083821
Without corporate uptake this is dead in the water. Small business can't afford that. Hopefully an ideologue billionaire goes for it, but I won't be holding my breath.

>>57088330
Well, we are living in a brave new world.

>>57089005
Save us based stallman.

>>57086677
You're right. Now I want to know what ISA I was thinking of...

>>57083821
As somebody who spends my time shitposting on /g/ and generally contributing nothing of value to society, why should I care about POWER8?

Only if the virtual assistant is named ELOHIM

>18k full system
the fuck? for that money I can probably get a faster Intel server

>>57089322
You shouldn't, but desktop POWER chips would be very interesting.
>>57089340
You can't and a server is not a workstation.

>>57089368
but I can, I could get a cluster of xeon's that'll shit on POWER8
>>57089323
lol

Why would you need an fpga toolchain on a motherboard?

>>57089454
>but I can, I could get a cluster of xeon's that'll shit on POWER8
Again, not a workstation. There isn't even a Xeon package comparable to the top POWER8 12 core package.

>>57089521
>not a workstation
that's dumb, do these 18k things even come with an igpu?

>>57089564
lol

>>57089596
so no, and the integer performance is lower than top xeons, intel wins i guess

>>57089610
What 2011 Xeons come with an integrated CPU? Also integer performance isn't as valuable for a workstation, so the higher floating point performance makes it better

>>57089564
>>57089610
>Integrated ASPEED AST2400 for HDMI output

>>57089564
Why the fuck would you want that? IIRC you can have either a W9100 or a Quadro M6000.

>>57089340
Actually POWER kills the Xeons in multithreaded workloads. In single threaded performance you'd be right though.

>>57089564
Is this bait?

>>57089517
>Why would you need an fpga toolchain on a motherboard?

fun

>>57091119
So anon why would YOU do if you had an FPGA toolchain on your mobo?

>>57091119
That's not a valid reason.

>>57091382
>Personal enjoyment is unnecessary
Found the robot.

>>57091411
This isn't a toy, or at least I don't think that's what they intend it to be.

>>57088330
>Meanwhile this product that would actually help change the face of computing is struggling at less than $70K.
IBM made POWER workstations at the same price point for nearly 20 years and you nor anybody else gave a fuck, it's not going to change shit. Especially this limp single-socket dick of a "workstation"

>>57092065
This one is 100% free as in freedom, anon. And it's being better advertised. And it's being done by a company that has done a lot for free software, or so I've been told. Tbqh I've never heard of them before.

>>57092131
>This one is 100% free as in freedom, anon
There's been a lot of "free" hardware over the years, even some that people can or have prospects of affording, and it didn't change anything either.
>And it's being better advertised.
Yeah, go ask some random at Best Buy about this thing or even POWER in general and see what you get, nobody gives a fuck about this thing, even you yourself never heard of the company designing the platform before these circlejerks started showing up.

It's gonna flop like anything else, it's far too niche for mass-market appeal, too weak and mismarketed for those who can actually afford it.

>>57092215
>There's been a lot of "free" hardware over the years
Nothing that can beat a Xeon performance wise. It's all just crappy ARM SoCs.
>B-but underpaid losers at best buy don't know about it
Low quality bait. I expected better from you anon.

>>57083845
Who are you quoting?

>>57083821
Wake me when RISCV gets purchasable silicon.

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>>57092256
>Nothing that can beat a Xeon performance wise. It's all just crappy ARM SoCs.
Probably because you don't really need a Xeon to do what these kinds of platforms are designed to do. Besides, you're neglecting the likes of the UltraSPARC T1/T2 and existing OpenPOWER systems that far exceed the power of this piece of shit anyway.

>>B-but underpaid losers at best buy don't know about it
You're being pedantic, the point is that this shit is irrelevant beyond the small niche it supposedly caters to. It's not going to "change the face of computing", it's a fucking toy.

>>57089296

RISC-V

>>57092444
At several thousand dollars I don't think anyone can call it a toy. It has a completely valid use case as a secure workstation, which is probably why it's being marketed as a secure workstation. Go figure.

>>57092523
You can charge several thousand dollars for anything, doesn't change what it is.

>It has a completely valid use case as [marketing]
It solves a problem that doesn't exist outside of the minds of mailing list drones and bikeshedding college students just want to show it off in screenfetch threads. Stop dwelling on the words themselves and get a clue.

>>57089903
>Is this bait?
You seriously have to ask?

>>57089368
>You can't and a server is not a workstation.
that's good, workstations are shit