Why not use KDE, /g/?

>>57067145
KDE is good but I like how gnome looks. :/

>>57067173
I like how Gnome looks too desu, but I hate how it functions.

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I use KDE and it flickers when a ton of shit is going on screen. (thanks quora you shit website)

also KDE Wallet is the plaything of satan

>>57067145
I am and I'm using it on Wayland with zero instances X cancer on my machine

>>57067145
i have tried to, about 5 times. every single time it either crashed or bugged out. although linux is for servers so what did i expect

I miss KDE4 :'-(

It burns CPU for bells and whistles. I use Openbox or i3wm.

>>57068987
Bugfix:
-CPU
+CPU cycles

The start menu icon looks so fucking shit like holy fucking christ

>>57069022
>I don't know how to change a fucking icon

You must be a wintoddler

Unstable and resource hungry as fuck.

install gnome

>>57067145

I prefer mate

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>>57069124
GNOME = pure trash

Install KDE

>>57067145
-SO.MANY.FEATURES, holy shit I have to turn shit off
-unstable, kwin crashes sometimes
-pretty high resource use

I like it, pretty and has what I want.

>>57067145
Because Lumina exists.

I have both KDE and GNOME installed.

Fite me.

Because Chromium and Firefox use GTK
Chromium Qt port when?

>>57067145
systemd dependency.

>>57069983
>all the cons of KDE
>none of the pros
BSDtards will defend this.

>>57067145
I use it and i am very happy with it. Also cheers to the 20th birhtday!

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I actually just did
Fucking gtk update broke mate, firefox and pretty much everything else
KDE is pretty nifty these days, and its down to around 470mb of ram on idle, much better than even just a few months ago.
The blue lock screen is ugly as fuck though and sddm is cancer, but I always use xinit so whatever.
Big problem though, it was unusable at first and I had to use the arch wiki to recompile the cache, but everything worked after that, just know how to use w3m or wget.

>mfw the fucking gtk devs

>>57067145
keeps crashing

>>57067145
Had a go at kde yesterday, it didn't feel any good tbqh

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>>57067145
I am using KDE. There's this weird problem where on the first time I try to start the Dolphin file picker, it freezes. Like it is going through and checking each hard drive i have connected but not necessarily mounted.

Also, I notice that it seems to regenerate the thumbnail cache every time I open it, or something like that because thumbnails take forever to load as opposed to Windows or something else.

Otherwise I really like it, but that's only because it's the only usuable QT distro until LXQT gets their shit together, or GTK devs get their shit together and add proper thumbnail support. (No, a list view is not proper support.)

Discovering the application menu certainly changed my opinion, because I find the default start menu to be really sluggish since it plays an animation before switching to a tab. It's much more simple and looks all around better

Does it still have vertical tabs in it? I remember thinking "hell naw!" when I first saw them back in the early-to-mid 2000s.

back in the late '90s/early '00s I had my first contact and try with linux on a distro called Conectiva, which I think is exclusive here for Brazil.

Everything was fine, I was learning things fast, terminal and all. I really feel in love with gnu/linux.

But I couldn't make the internet work, it didn't have the drive for my moden or something, it quickly became a real nightmare. The desktop environment was KDE, and I grow to hate it.

Up to this day every time I see KDE I get this bad feeling that I'm about to sperg the fuck out. It just makes me feel bad.

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Use a tiling window manager. You'll never want to go back.

>>57070672
>you'll never want to do so ever again
FTFY

Because iOS is better.

>>57070702
this

>>57070354
>not calling them BaSDtards

>>57070372
I like your post friend.

>>57070672
You can replace kwin with a tiling window manager and use the rest of the plasma desktop.

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>>57070672
Tiling is trivial to implement in KWin.

>>57071204
what script are you using?

>Hardware:
>Memory: 2.0 GiB
>Processor: Genuine Intel® CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz × 2

It's all about MATE.

Plus I baby duck'd GNOME 2.

>>57071282
I love MATE. It's probably the best GTK-based distro right now. I use it on my laptop, while I use KDE on my desktop

>>57071204
My own, still writing it atm.

But it doesn't take more than 200 LOC.

All you need is https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/KWin/Scripting/API_4.9

>>57071338
Meant to >>57071271

>>57069022
I agree, it's not an elegant logo.

>>57068054
What's wrong with KDE Wallet?

>>57067180
This. It looks really good but I will never understand how people can use that garbage

>>57069022
>>57071351
There's literally nothing wrong with it. KDE actually has the best logo in my opinion
>GNOME
>a fucking foot
>the rest isn't even worth mentioning

>>57071827
It's the best but it still looks like something designed by amateurs. KDE needs to find someone who can actually do UI design.

>>57071782
That's because people never use stock Gnome. They say Gnome is great even though they had to install 10 extensions to make it remotely usable.

>>57071837
They don't, the only thing missing in plasma 5 is motherfucking full css support for their toolkit. Fuck this c++ garbage.

>>57071857
>They don't,
They do. KDE Neon is probably the closest thing Linux has to something that could be a mainstream OS.

>>57071888
Doesn't matter, the kde logo is subjective as fuck. The only people screaming about it are fa/g/gots. Full css support would at least bring all the gnome theme devs on board so that we don't have to use breeze with different colors again.

>>57071923
>Doesn't matter, the kde logo is subjective as fuck.
It does matter, you stupid fuck. Retards like you are the reason Linux is never going to make it on the desktop.

>>57071956
Yeah sure, the fucking 30pixel logo of plasma is the reason that it isn't the year of the linux desktop. Fuck your autism ass with a cactus you stupid fuck.

>>57070511
>Discovering the application menu certainly changed my opinion, because I find the default start menu to be really sluggish since it plays an animation before switching to a tab. It's much more simple and looks all around better

holy shit thank you

A noob question here. Can you actually change your graphical desktop environment. I mean distros come with some environment, is it possible to switch?
Another question, does KDE depend on systemd like GNOME?

>>57071974
Not just the shit logo, faggot, but all the shit UI elements that exist in KDE. They need someone who knows what they're doing. They have a decent looking product already, but it will have to be better.

Eat shit and die, you fucking moron.

>>57071977
No problem senpai. It was a game changer for me, too. it's so much fucking cleaner. I always start my programs just by typing part of the shortcut anyways, so this was a much better choice for me.

>>57071989
>can you change your desktop environment?
Yes. DE's are a separate entity from your "Distro" if you will, it's just that people get together and make distros based on the DE. (IE Kubuntu is the unofficial KDE distro, while KDE Neon is maintained by the KDE team)

Switching is KIND of easy, but in my experience it can be a pain in the ass on an ubuntu distro. I had issues with dependencies not getting removed, so I don't recommend you try to remove your distro outright.

If you are on ubuntu, you would simply apt-get the distro (google how to install the distro and it will give you the package names) and then when you go to log in, there will be a button that allows you to switch desktop environments.

>Is it dependent on SystemD
As a noob, you perhaps shouldn't be too concerned with this. However, I wouldn't EXPECT KDE to be dependent on systemD, but perhaps a Gentoo fag or somebody else can shed light on this.

You would probably have to recompile the package.

>>57071282
If you're using arch or fedora don't update now. The new gtk version breaks mate completely

>>57071782
>>57071847
I only use two extensions, topicons plus (puts tray icons in top bar) and user themes (lets you use shell themes from user directory). Once you get used to gnome it's actually really nice, you can launch anything by just pressing super then typing its name.

>>57073578
>you can launch anything by just pressing super then typing its name.
Yeah, it's not like every fucking DE can do that. Even window managers like i3 (with dmenu) can do that.

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KDE is very good.

>>57067145
I'm already using it tho.

>>57071956
>Retards like you are the reason Linux is never going to make it on the desktop.
SJW-tier tactic detected.

>>57068062
Fuck off wayland shill

>>57075200
Fuck off Mark

>>57067145
Pretty much every program I use is GTK, not QT.

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>>57067145
>plasma 5.6.90
OUTDATED
U
T
D
A
T
E
D

>>57067145
But I do!

>>57068054
>KDE Wallet is the plaything of satan
I agree.

>>57075236
Fuck off shill

>>57067145
Because its bloated to all fuck and kills battery life on laptops

>>57075547
>>57075547
just deactivate KDE Wallet and voilà!

>>57070328
>Chromium Qt port when?
...now?

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>2016
>not using KDE 1.x

so why is there a gtk and qt war? what is the best non-gtk de is it lxde?

>>57076286
comfy as fuck -- i am tempted but i am concerned about stability, compatibility, and security

>>57067145
>Why not use KDE, /g/?
Because KDE still has the exact same bugs as it did >10 years ago when I used it on Slackware. They just keep slapping new layers of paint on and never fixing it.

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>>57067145
But I am....sort of.

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>>57067145
But I am...

KDE is the best DE right now.

KDE3 was better.

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>>57077300
I don't disagree, yet I don't like trinity as much as current KDE.

Maybe KDE 3 was "better in its time" or something?

>>57070511
How do you enable the application switcher? I really hate the panel editing UI so I tend to avoid it. I wish it had XFCE's text based panel editor.

am I a pleb for liking Cinammon?
It's like a comfy interlude between gnome 2 and 3

>>57077327
yep

>>57077349
What's so bad about it? It's better than Unity and prettier than KDE

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because I use dwm

way too many """""features""""", hard to find settings, 90000 million settings for shit no one needs except in some edge case that some autistic developer though would be a good idea to add, feels clunky to me

>>57075446
>Plasma 5.8.0
OUTDATED
U
T
D
A
T
E
D

>>57077367
It's basically just XFCE, if XFCE were buggier and shittier.

>>57077398
That's much better than having no option for turning off mouse accelleration

>>57077424
why would you want to turn off mouse acceleration

>>57077447
Can't see a reason to keep it on

>>57077377
looks terrible

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>>57067145
>metapackage

>>57077377
That looks so fucking retarded.

>>57077377
Shit patches if it's dwm at all

>>57077377
I like it

>>57077326
Right click > Alternatives

5.6? Really?

I'm on 5.8 already with openSUSE Tumbleweed.

>>57067145
Because I love gnome
>just push super to do everything

>>57070672
this >>57070702

Tried Awesome WM once. Even got it configured nicely and all.

Never again.

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>no de/wm will ever replace explorer.exe

Which is better, Kubuntu or Neon?

>>57070328
>Because Chromium and Firefox use GTK

Chromium uses Aura, its own toolkit, instead of GTK and the file picker is dependant on DE. In Plasma, KDialog is used.

>>57078836
Chromium requires GTK2 to compile on Linux (it can be compiled with GTK3 instead but not Qt). GTK is the front-end on Linux. Cocoa in OS X and Windows API in Windows.

>>57078885
>Chromium requires GTK2 to compile on Linux (it can be compiled with GTK3 instead but not Qt).

It uses it to infer GTK theme settings, not for the front-end. That's all Aura. They used to use GTK, but to prepare for Chrome OS they switched.

I tried installing KDE neon but the fucking installer doesn't properly install Grub. Doesn't happen with any other distribution. Can't even install bootctl because Ubuntu repos don't include boot images..

>>57077377
that looks really good senpai

>>57071204
How do you get highlights instead of underlines in the taskbar?

>>57074631
>ヨルダン
なぜ「ジョルダン」じゃないの

>>57079261
jordan is a poser and can't actually read chinese.

>>57079229
I don't know, it's the default theme on Arch.

>>57079261
J is pronounced as Y in some countries.

>>57070511
that application menu truly is life changing. should be default.

>>57079461
yes but Jordan speaks English

>>57078885
It's still able to detect if kdialog is installed in your system, and it will use that instead of the gtk alternative if possible. Also, kdialog is just a binary, it's not a library so it doesn't add build dependencies.

>>57070511
That application menu is sluggish as fuck though, there's a fucking horrible delay and big disk churn hovering over anything. Default menu doesn't have that.

>>57078910
>>57080021
Is it possible to compile Chromium without the pointless GTK dependency?
That's the main issue I have.

>>57067145

I do. But MATE is fine as well.

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Because last time I tried it, it was a far worse experience overall than Unity, far slower, used more memory, and had a less intuitive launcher.
With Unity, I press the Windows key and type. Everything just looks and feels better. Let me know when KDE can compete with that.

>>57077447
Is this bait?

>>57082432
Are you serious? Unity's launcher is fucking garbage

>>57082432
Kek krunner is 10 times better than that thing unity has

latest gnome on wayland is beyond bugged to the point of being unusable for me

>>57067145
Because Cinnamon exists

>>57079514
English is better imo, but the kanjies have a certain appeal so I put my name into Google Translate. I think this is how the country Jordan translates.

>>57067145
Can you get Plasma 5 on mint 17?

>>57067145
It's very powerful and full featured but it's very heavy so between xfce and kde your set in terms of de.
Also they just rereleased kde 1!
http://www.heliocastro.info/?p=291

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>>57075446
Right back at ya, brah.

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XFCE rocks

Kubuntu is the first distro where I have trouble opening files from an smb share. All the others I entered username and password and could open them no problem. With Kubuntu I had to enter the username + password in the VLC settings, haven't figured out how to do it with mpv yet. Pretty annoying.

>>57067145
It looks like windows shits so don't use it!

>>57067145
>"Mr. Robot, I'm KDE"

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memory hog

>>57085125
ummm what units are those LOL

>>57085153
MB or RAM used.

Well this is a good place to ask. I have KDE and I have an application that when I launch via a desktop shortcut it just opens a blackscreen while when I click on it via the fold it launches no problem. I've checked the path repeatedly and it's formatted correctly. Does anyone have any idea what could be going on? I don't have this problem with other applications.

>>57085125
Doesn't really matter nowadays with how much memory browsers etc. use.

>>57085311
Bullshit. I need my RAM to run virtual machines.

>>57085322

Why are you running virtual machines?

>>57085379
Maybe he's setting up a lab to do pen testing?

>>57085379
Win95, 98, xp, 7, 8, 10 , android and MacOs all on linux host. I need them to test shit without rebooting the system. I don't trust windows outside of VM. Win 10 tries to send my shit to MS all the time. Old windows versions for obsolete software. Having windows, macos and linux running at the same time speed up things. You should try that. Dualbooting just to check something is a waste of time.

>>57071782
>but I will never understand how people can use that garbage
Pretty easily. The general idea is is that you run your windows maximized and navigate between them using workspaces. Which is how a lot of people use Linux on the desktop. It also helps that the desktop is consistent - Konqueror with the full suite of kparts was spectacular in KDE 3. Now I'm not even sure if KDE has its own browser.

>>57085548

Konqueror still exists.

>>57085548
KDE gui application configuration is batshit insane. Not intuitive at all.

>>57085546
So much this and so fucking EASY. I do this too and am lazy as fuck.

>>57085546
How do I lock down windows in a VM so that it can't report back to ms? Do I need to do anything more than just running it in a VM? Do you use VMware or Virtual Box?

>>57085856
You cut it off from the internet. On virtualbox you can do this with mouse. Windows10 can detect that it's in a VM so you should still monitor traffic from time to time in case of any updates.

>>57085926
Can I block calls to microsoft domain names and still have win7 vm conected to the internet? Is there a way to change the amount of ram allocated to a VM in VirtualBox after setup?

>>57085955
> Is there a way to change the amount of ram allocated to a VM in VirtualBox after setup?
Yes, at any time.
You can block calls from a VM in linux as usual.

Give me literally just ONE

O N E

good reason to use KDE over based XFCE

>>57086059
Your company forces OpenSuse and you don't have admin rights?

>>57086084
>company
I meant on my personal computer you dildo

I tested it throughly and always encountered stuff that I really hate and it seems like the developers are incompetent of fixing the issues or are just denying it.

Personally I gave up and use Unity and I look forward to Unity 8, which already looks pretty cool and is made by paid people. But I'm probably alone with this opinion here.

>>57077095
How did you get the clock to not be stupidly big? Last time I tried KDE the clock always became as big as the height of the bar.

>>57086014
Are there any guides on keeping win7 from calling to microsoft while still allowing it some internet access for applications that may need it?

>>57086184
Just look for ways to monitor internet traffic under linux. It's a fucking server OS. Google it. You will find tutorials.

For real, who uses activities or even knows what it is?

>>57086184
Start with this and disabling updates.

https://gist.github.com/xvitaly/eafa75ed2cb79b3bd4e9

>>57086059
XFCE is ugly.

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Why is this allowed??

>>57071359
I have always had problems with it wanting to appear every five minutes and bringing itself to the front, totally disrupting my work. I love KDE too, but I always deactivate the wallet.

>try to add panel
>it freezes and crashes
>panel is gone
epic

>>57086240
Thanks.

>>57087073
I had that problem when I accidently screwed my slackware install but reinstalling fixed it. Have you had this happen across multiple installations?

>>57086925
No

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>>57067145
>Supporting the botnet

Because I don't its look generally.

>>57085125
KDE or Gnome 3 etc. aren't a single piece of software. How about you isolate what components are hogging up your memory.

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>>57088214
>"b-but muh botnet"

there's literally no way to have a thread on anything without you idiots shitting it up one way or another, is there?

>>57085125
Nice comparsion from 4 years ago.