/wdg/ - Web Development General

fuuckk the old one died? we need to be more vigilant bros

>>57051660
Yeah, people should be off work now so it should be good.

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learning w the homey

Hey /wdg/ I need an idea for some kind of website project to make to show off web dev skills. what do I make?

>>57052003

what kind of skills do you have? you trying to just make something that looks nice, or make something more dynamic?

>>57052003
>google "business ideas 2016"
>pick one
>make a page/site/app for it

is d3.js hard to learn?

>>57052037
I want to show off a lot of functional skills with UI, databases and just algorithmic shit as well.

Maybe some kind of regex tester with a built-in dictionary to test against?

that doesn't do relational database stuff though so maybe not

>>57052092

ah okay so you're not some babby that just knows html/css (not that being a beginner is bad... just didn't want to recommend something too difficult)

let me think for a bit.

for now look at the list here if you haven't: https://github.com/karan/Projects

anyone here make money online by not freelancing?

like has anyone made money on any of the following:

-wordpress or shopify theme
-wordpress plug-in
-udemy course
-SaaS
-anything else

???

feel like I should stop making trivial projects and try to make some dough.

Okay /g/, what's your language of choice when it comes to backend development and how can I start learning it as a complete noob?

>>57052158
A few of us have, yes.

One guy here got a free wordpress theme, changed a few things around, and then sold it. I think he was at 3 grand after a few months.

I make money through ads my ideas are alright. I do plan on selling a few wordpress themes in the future because of the anon I mentioned.

>>57052321

we aren't /g/ we are /wdg/

>>57052085
I heard that there is a casual version that is easy
but if you want absolute control then yes it is hard but worth

>>57052003
just make something in react

>>57052003
How do you have no ideas?

I'm seriously curious. Guys, is this normal?

>>57052847

I feel like having ideas is usually related to other interests or needs you have in other areas of your life. if you're some kind of robot that is just interested in programming itself, I could see how it would be tough to come up with ideas. idk just guessing.

>>57053014
Makes sense.

Probably because they aren't looking for opportunities. I see this issue a lot. I am definitely making this into an ebook. "The next big idea is YOURS" Visualizing and interpreting opportunities throughout your day.

All those 20-something entreprenuer minded people would eat it up.

>>57052321
Choice is subjective.

PHP is fine for everything.

All you need to know how to do is $_GET ['shit'] and echo $json.

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>>57051848

Rob is filthy rich, I read an article about him. Seems like a good guy though so I don't mind.

>>57053850
I just read that article.

Holy shit.

I have a studio mic and already make youtube videos with tutorials. Let's fucking go. I'll be professor neckbeardo the weirdo.

I'm reading a book about building websites with PHP and MySQL, but it's a bit outdated and uses PHP 5.1. Will the 5.1 examples still be relevant for the current PHP 7? Would 5.1 scripts run without issues on a server with 7 installed?

Also does PHP 7 have wide adoption? Or do a lot of servers run legacy versions, kinda like the Python 2 vs 3 issue?

>>57054025
>5.1

You need a new book. I doubt that one teaches PDO, probably doesn't even use mysqli. A lot of stuff will break when switching versions. Like comparing datetime was something I ran into. Also a lot of the practices are unsecure and deprecated.

You CAN learn from it of it's your only option, but update your knowledge before you do anything.

>>57054046

Yea I'll just find newer material online then, I just happened to have this paper copy laying around and it's easier on the eyes to read a physical book. So it's worth it to learn PHP 7 even over the newer 5.x versions like 5.6?

>>57053996

link your youtube videos? just curious, not gonna hate on you.

and yeah if you already make videos you should definitely look into UDemy.

>>57054080
A lot of jobs still use 5.x but 7 is best.

I went from 5.1 to 5.4 to 7. There are differences but it's not unbearable. I take back what I said. I would learn from your book and then update your knowledge to 7 after reading the differences between 5.1 and a later version of 5. It will give you a wider range of PHP skills.

That said, if you are wanting a PHP dev job and that book isn't OOP PHP then drop it immediately and get one that is.

>>57054135
Uh, here's my very first. I sound nothing like this now and my tutorials aren't on porn game modding anymore, but here.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g1GY5voVGh4

>>57054410

yeah your voice isn't bad, I would just try to sound a little more excited ya know. audio/video quality seems good though.

>>57054527
You were supposed to hate it and make fun of me.
Nothing I do now is like that, voice included.

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I need to do a CSS theme like shown in this website as an exercise.

http://www.mezzoblue.com/zengarden/alldesigns/

I'd do an anime theme but it won't work because copyrights.

Any ideas?

>>57054899
Water with bubbles. Pastel bubbles holding the text with a near neon blue watery background.

>>57054899
holy shit zen garden, that's a blast to the past anon

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Why PHP is so hated?

>>57055293

outdated

>>57055304
Then what do you use to create something like this
https://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-create-a-simple-web-based-chat-application--net-5931

>>57055316
The linked tutorial still fucking use HTML4.
You can do a chat application in any language. Socket.io + node.js is the most popular. Tons of examples on the web
http://socket.io/get-started/chat/

>>57055338
>Tons of examples on the web
Anything that uses python?
I have bad history with Node.JS

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For some reason my website has this counter that goes from ?i=1 to ?i=3 and then redirects to https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/61416 whenever I try to access index.php.

How do I fix this? If it helps, here's a pastebin of my index.php .

http://pastebin.com/KDxpu3ze

First day learning ruby

class Dog
end

dog = Dog.new
dog.legs = 4

throws NoMethodError: undefined method `legs='

Where do I specify attribute names?

>>57056472

attr_accessor :legs

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What do you think about pic related concept? Would it work? What do you think about UI and UX of this? Not mine but it looks very interesting to me, thinking about trying it.

>>57056954
Short description: It looks like users would have to drag the articles with their mouse/hand, right to left (that is probably not the based way to control it btw), but I think the good things are that it uses up all the screen space, and if you could combine it with ajax loaded articles (which became hugely fucking popular these days, practically over night, I was thinking about doing it when I saw Quartz and now everyone uses it), it could possibly hold the users attention a lot, and get many views.

What do you think?

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any ASP.NET Core users here? Is it mature enough now or should I start with the older non core version?

When i do an xml request via the age old stream_context_create -> fopen -> stream_get_contents in php it works great.

But when i try to use something that makes more sense like curl i get error #60 "CURLE_SSL_CACERT" (Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with known CA certificates.).

Tried to use googled solutions (changing SSL_VERIFYPEER and SSL_VERIFHOST etc ) but then i get error #52 (CURLE_GOT_NOTHING).

Connection must be made with https. As i said it works fine the old way but with curl i get this problem.

Halp? Obviously php :/

Just under 10% of internet users use IE 8 and 9, how does this make you feel?

Are Junior Devs expected to have much algorithmic knowledge? Like, what are the chances interviews will be based around those type of questions (binary tree reversal, etc.)?

>>57058260
yes/no, depends on the company. There's not one standard that junior devs have to meet.

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>>57058260
ill reverse ur binary tree if yu know what I men ;))

>actually interesting webdev position
>in need and well payed

Pick one.

Is anybody making some cool things instead of brainded SPAs?

>>57056954
What tool is that that puts websites onto screens and stuff like that?


I see it everywhere but can't google it.

Probably doesn't belong here but fuck it.

I'm doing tango w django and made this script to auto populate the database for testing. So I understand what this does... i think... but it's not importing 'TangoProject.settings'

os.environ.setdefault('DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE', 'TangoProject.settings')

what I gather this is doing is running the script in the django environment so i can import django and run django.setup() which then allows me to mess with the database but it fails on:

ImportError: No module named 'TangoProject'

but looking at my file directory everything is named correctly and in the right location.... which just goes to show that sometime typing things out you find your own problem... it was in one directory to deep. good luck god bless make the dosh run fast

>>57058456
I am.

You only work the shit jobs until you have the senior level experience to work at startups that interest you.

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Hey /wdg/, what job would you pick??


> 1. "the think tank"
(+)
-very good payment
-you work with elite people and will learn a lot
(-)
-you work 12 hours each day, almost no time for friends/family


> 2. "the hipster hut"
(+)
-good work/life balance
-nobody expects you to be outstanding
(-)
-always doing the same tasks
-payment is ok, but not high


>3. "the company with suits"
(+)
-good payment
-typical 9 to 5
(-)
-collar, tie, suit
-big flow charts, java

>>57058456
>braindead spas

PHP deathrattle

>>57058789
The think tank until the experience is gained to be the lead dev at the hipster hut.

>>57058789
Company with suits.
Honestly, you want to work in a professional environment.
>tfw I read 'the hipster hut' with longing and hatred

>>57055403
>Anything that uses python?

yeah just use google. there are lots of tutorials.

>>57059061

this.

>got fired from my first full-time coding job after 3 months for making social mistakes
>now I have to decide between a 5 month gap in my resume and admitting I was a retard
>either way I'm not getting hired

fuck

>>57060567
What exactly were the social mistakes?

>>57060604
arguing with R&D becuase they kept dismissing bug reports and shutting down work-arounds. to their credit, some of the bugs were user error (but they didn't bother to explain that) and the work arounds were causing problems (though they were necessary to get the job done)

Can anybody explain to me what precisely is is Angular 2 being used for? I can't see why is it neccessary.

>>57060807
It makes things a bit more modular at the cost of readability and writability

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I just got an offer, finally. After this $12/hr shit internship I will be getting double at my new place. The job search wasn't really demoralizing for me, moreso I just felt stuck for 2.5 months.

Here comes the anxiety for not looking stupid though

newb here.

should I bother with learning to make responsive sites from scratch? would learning the ins and outs of Bootstrap be just as valuable?

>>57061079
What's your current skillset?

I'm reaching the point at which I feel I might be ready to start applying for internships or a junior dev position. However, I know nothing about algorithms or design patterns.

>>57061079
Congratulations, man.

>>57061079
Congrats, all the best luck with your employers.
[spoiler]Hopefully I'm next[/spoiler]

>>57061196
>However, I know nothing about algorithms or design patterns.

bruh this is webdev. just start applying. can you do stuff like fizzbuzz and reversing strings? start applying.

Hi, I'm in need of help, can somebody give me a hand?

I want to check if input is a url, if it is then it should redirect to input, if not it should redirect to duckduckgo+input
var input = document.getElementById("search");

function isURL(str) {
var pattern = new RegExp('^(https?:\/\/)?' + // protocol
'((([a-z\d]([a-z\d-]*[a-z\d])*)\.)+[a-z]{2,}|' + // domain name
'((\d{1,3}\.){3}\d{1,3}))' + // OR ip (v4) address
'(\:\d+)?(\/[-a-z\d%_.~+]*)*' + // port and path
'(\?[;&a-z\d%_.~+=-]*)?' + // query string
'(\#[-a-z\d_]*)?$', 'i'); // fragment locater
if (!pattern.test(str)) {
return false;
} else {
return true;
}
}

function search() {
if (isURL(input)) {
window.location.href = input;
} else {
window.location.href = 'https://duckduckgo.com/?q=' + input;
}
}

the html

<form autocomplete="off">
<input id="search" type="text" autofocus>
</form>

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>>57061219
RIP spoiler tags

>>57061196
HTML, CSS, Javascript, jQuery, Angular, some PHP/MySQL(not a ton of exp)

That's pretty much it. For my first job, the 12/hr place, it was an Angular position and I only did a small project with it before getting hired. Here's the kicker, even for my new job, pretty much all of my questions were DOM/CSS/JavaScript based. I think as long as you know the gotchas and ins-and-outs of JavaScript, they will be sure you can learn any framework.

Easy stuff too, basically keyword definitions and knowing that 11 + '56' = 1156, not 67 stuff.
No DS or algo's either. And being completely honest and as confident you can be through your nerves. I dropped out after one semester of college and let them know in my interview. I'm Front End for now btw. Just show an eagerness to learn

Here's a list that's really popular and helpful:https://github.com/h5bp/Front-end-Developer-Interview-Questions

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Thanks cloudflare

>>57061281

You're an inspiration for NEETs like us, sir.

>>57061281
>11 + '56' = 1156, not 67 stuff.
They really asked that? damn that's just cruel, remembering those inane conversion rules just makes you miserable. Or perhaps it was a trick question and the right answer was to find the guy who put a number in a string and slap him.

>>57061793
Yeah. What I learned the most is Interviewing is a skill.

If you're shy/have bad anxiety, be ready to turn that shit around or get good at faking it.

Memorize solutions to questions that an asshole dev may ask to "get you". Thankfully my interviews have been fine but stump them before they stump you, ya know.

I really like places that ask you about your projects. But if they don't, do it yourself. As long as you don't ramble the entire interview, expand on your answers cause they want to know you.

HTML/CSS babby here, tasked with my first real project.
My friend wants me to help him create a static site for a local architect. Three pages and a link to a blog, nothing too complicated. My friend wants to handle the design/UI aspect of things and leave the rest to me.
My problem is I have very little backend experience, I've dipped my foot into node.js but I'm far from knowledgeable.
Also, he wants the site to link to a blog but is incredibly averse to WordPress for some reason. I've been looking into solutions like Jekyll and Ghost but am open to any alternatives.
We have a month to get it done, which seems like more than enough time but maybe I'm deceiving myself.
tl;dr am I fucked? or am I just overthinking it?

Without disrespect to you all, but seeing that this thread is always full of NEET beginners who just want to get a job ASAP with fizzbuzz triggers me a lot and I can't help it.

This is why I was talking a few threads back that webdev can't be a well respected job, I mean, come on now. The entry level is so low it is practically non-existent. Props to you for being self-learners, but man, is this industry shitty.

I'm not even visiting /dpt/, but I'm on their side unfortunately, compared to that, this really is a codemonkey business.

>>57061982
>static site
>problem is I have very little backend experience

I don't see the problem? what backend stuff do you have to do?

also just use wordpress. it's the standard for a reason. so many useful plug-ins, if they are going to be serious at all about their blog.

>>57062033
I guess my main concern was the blog part. But yeah, WordPress seems like the way to go.

>>57062012

I remember you. what's your fucking point?

in a sense it's "well respected" by definition if you look at the pay vs. the majority of other careers.

but again what's your point?

>>57061240
pls

>>57061982
Even a child can shit out a portfolio like that with Wordpress in 2 days, so if you go down that path you shouldn't have any problems.

Design could take longer, depending on the skills and the needs but yeah, a month should be enough.

Sorry for venting out a bit, but when I remember that some of my college colleagues make income from teaching that easy shit and making money of their shitty sites I'm incredibly pissed. Not because of the money, but because of the low level of quality and the fact that it is so easy to make a website for yourself today even as a technically inept being. That's not about you, just saying in general when I hear WP being mentioned.

>>57062040

yeah you will be fine.

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>>57062012
I can't disagree. Dedicated self-learners really have to prove themselves to get out of the wannabe dev gutter. But I think it's really easy to sniff out & discount a retard.

>>57062012

honest question are you asian? just don't understand your obsession with having a "well respected" job. like why are you so insecure about that?

>>57062112
Yeah, I get the strong feeling that he makes a majority of his income from capitalizing on the tech illiterate.
He dropped a couple of big-name Fortune 500 types in his past work but our current client is well into his 70s, so he probably just lacks the patience to teach him to set up the site himself.
Kinda makes me wonder why I'm not doing the same thing.

>>57062012
>>57062112
I don't think it should matter how people start off with sites, so long as they get the languages in their head.
>I started a year ago with WP before taking raw languages in my spare time.

>>57062080
>>57062182

It can be a decently paid job (or not), so yeah, if you look at it like that, it's respected ok. But imagine seeing commercials on every website for housemaids becoming lawyers or dentists or professors by finishing a shitty 3 months online course and now tell me you wouldn't look down on that. And then HTML kiddies can call themselves web developers.

Fuck, it just pisses me off and it's maybe irrational but I can't help it. Anyone can go into this shit and how do you think I feel when I say I'm a webdev with a college degree? It's a not very nice feeling.

I'll admit that I may be a bit insecure about all of this, since I studied that shit (not webdev only, because that would be even more retarded) and a majority of my mentors also got into this shit from another degrees. Imagine my feeling when I have to listen for an hour and a half how to write a shitty fucking password checker in PHP, with LOOPS.

Not saying that all of them were shitty, but I also learned from "that" kind of people as well.

Not only that shitty people enter into industry, they enter into education as well. FML.

Anybody have any experience with SailsJS? I switched from Ruby on Rails to Node.js and I've settled on using Sails because it seems familiar.

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>>57062276
Yeah, you've just got to let people's perception's roll off your back. Guarantee 5% of developer think Web Dev's are lazy shitheads, and those people are assholes most likely.

I have a big dick though so it's easy to not care what anyone thinks

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Is there any reasonable way to fit a text box within a vertical toolbar?

>>57062395
Are you wanting the text inside of it to be rendered sideways?

>>57062395
Why the fuck would you need to do that? I guess you can show the info on hover, but it would still look kinda bad. I mean, a popup tooltip could work.

>>57062429
Oh, if you meant that user could write something into it, I don't know how that could work.

>>57062395
I mean, if you just set the width and height appropriately and set text-align: left; I would imagine it would do what you want. I'm probably wrong though, I've never done anything like that.

>>57062416
I just want to show text readably

>>57062429
>Why the fuck would you need to do that?
The tool bar can appear at the top of the screen or on the side. When at the top, it has a search box.

I have no idea what to do for when its on the left. Maybe I just have to have it as a popup, but it makes things a bit inconsistent.

>>57062473
Oh, in that case, yeah, it definitely can't be that narrow. Well, check out websites with side navigation then. The only way I'm seeing it could work with the narrow navigation (not something like sidebar that would take a bigger chunk of the screen) would be to have a search icon, and when you press it, a wide textbox slides from the left with a nice animation.

It amazes me how many websites revert to top navigation after some time of using a side navigation. I still can't see why side navigations don't work as well. And they also look pretty nice, personally.

>>57062276

you're really fucking dumb and annoying. you're whining about the most awesome aspect of a field like webdev. it's a meritocracy. you probably learned what that means in college, right? you are judged by the quality of your work and get compensated accordingly. if you're shit, you will probably work lower paying code monkey jobs. if you're good, you will have endless opportunities.

I can't respond to you line by line now, but the dumbest thing you said was this:

>how do you think I feel when I say I'm a webdev with a college degree? It's a not very nice feeling.

first of all do you think the general public even understands what a web developer is, beyond a very surface level? do you think they would be more impressed if you said you were a mobile app developer? or a software architect? it's all gobbledygook to laymen.

second do you think the webdevs that work for social media sites like Twitter, Facebook, etc., or for ecommerce sites like Etsy, Shopify, etc. or for news sites like NYTimes, CNN, etc. feel insecure about it? If you told your family you were a web developer for a company like those I mentioned above, would they be embarrassed or something?

There's a whole range of webdevs from teenagers throwing together WP sites to brilliant minds working for Fortune 500 companies and getting compensated 200k. just like there's a range of pajeets making simple business apps to NASA engineers working with "more respected" languages.

and if you're just here to complain, why not leave? go pay 100k for a masters degree.

>>57061079
Congrats, dude. Remeber to keep trying to find a better job or you'll never be senior level.

>>57051848
>>57053850

Rob is brilliant. I'm always amazed by how quickly he notices his errors when something doesn't work. never any cuts in his videos.

>>57061281
>knowing that 11 + '56' = 1156
I've been a JS dev for 16 years and never knew that.

If a company asked me that I would ask back "Exactly what kind of people do you have working here?"

you guys are thinking too much just apply and get a job it's that easy

I did that and i'm working with no degree and no experience (like work experience, i knew the basics like medium advanced CSS). I'm feeling like a total fraud but I think i'm getting better and better.

>>57062921
Honestly, there was another question that was so out of left field and would never be useful that it just made me eyeroll. I'd post it but it was really specific, I think my manager is a /g/tard. Guess it was one of those to see how much the candidate squirms..

>>57062040
Yeah, just read a digital ocean install guide and a quick tutorial on "the loop"

It will take 2 hours to get the blog going from 0 wordpress experience once you have the template done.

>>57062276
Most people mentally cannot dev well.

I read that a "good dev" writes about 10 lines of code a day on the job.

No one here is that bad because we give enough of a shit to lurk in /wdg/ and stroke circlejerk over meme frameworks.

hey /wdg/, I'm good on the programming side of things but I suck royally at web design. How do I go easy-mode on the css shit? Bootstrap isn't helping

>>57063149
>Bootstrap isn't helping

why not? I think that's about as easy mode as it gets.

I haven't tried Foundation or Pure, but those get talked about a lot too.

>>57063210
I just want a fucking search bar that looks like the one here: https://regex101.com/

I just plain don't understand CSS. it's fucking voodoo to me

>>57063225
CSS is no more complicated than a simple config file. All you have to know are the properties an element has.

>>57063225

k so you want it exactly like that or what? including the extra stuff on the right and left side of the search bar?

if so one hint I can give, and maybe this is obvious to you, is that the extra stuff on the left and right isn't really "in" the search box. those are divs with the same background color (white) and no border between them and the search bar.

does that make sense?

lemme mess around in JSfiddle for 10 mins brb

People, don't write shitty CSS, I beg you. Actually learn it properly.

>>57063282
>Implying you can have proper CSS

>>57063282
>implying people won't just go straight to some preprocessor instead

>>57063324
Stay average, I don't mind as you don't work with me.

>>57063277
I know that much. it's css I suck at, not html

>>57063225
protip: you can inspect element in your browser and see its css rules.

>>57063362
CSS is lacking fundamentals directives like assigning a color to a variable and functional styling. See ACSS

How can I get into a game dev industry with a knowledge of web dev? :(

When I was a kid I thought that would be cool, than I thought that would be a bad idea, but now I think it's cool again, at least I would make something fun, not shitty business CRUD apps that 2 people in the world would see.

>>57063428
I know that too. I still just don't understand how everything works and fits together

>>57063487
Then you have all the tools to figure it out. Good luck.

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>>57063225
>>57063377

does this help you at all m8?

https://jsfiddle.net/ke7pe7xt/1/

I'm new to this stuff too, but thought it would be a decent challenge. obviously you would want to fix up some stuff but maybe it's a starting point for you?

>>57063487
Wait a sec. You actually said you are a programmer. Now I don't think I believe that if you can't learn something as simple as css.
Just take some codecademy course or somehting like that.

>>57063476

maybe check out one of these: https://html5gameengine.com/

I'm sure all the popular ones have good intro tutorials.

I've heard of Phaser and Pixi the most. maybe see which one has a cooler tutorial or one that's better for absolute beginners.

>>57063560
This. CSS is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to complexity and web-dev in general.

>>57063476
Unity has JS and C# syntaxes so if you know those you might want to toy around with it.

>>57063476
I'm going to say no, unless you've got some cool game dev projects to show off. I think it's pretty different to us CRUDbabies :(

But if you find theres demand for JS based games let us know!

Are entry level/ junior dev positions hard to get? I'm in Nyc area, seems there's a lot of positions. Only been doing Web dev for 5-6 months. Tired of NEET life

>>57063573
Thanks. Are there any jobs, though? I'm more thinking about learning C# and Unity or something, I hope webdev knowledge will help. I'd rather be in that industry than this one.

>>57063601

sorry I misunderstood your question. probably not many jobs for what I posted. I feel like making games for iphone/android would be the easiest way to break into the industry. there's obviously a lot of demand for mobile games, but it's still a step down from trying to make 3d games for PC or something.

Is Angular 2 necessary for personal projects, even if they become bigger (in my dreams, but still)? I'd rather learn and use Vue for myself, but don't know if I should learn Angular 2 (I really hate how it looks though, but oh well).

>>57063724
You don't need a javascript framework.
It's useful if you're doing a very big single page app (think gmail) that's heavy on javasciript.
Also it seems like React is more of a thing now than angular.

>>57063724
In terms of learning a framework, I'd go with the biggest brand name, which i think is still Angular 1. But just to build an app it's not necessary at all, people will appreciate a cool project written with jQuery if they aren't just sniffing the assholes of *insert newest framework here*. I agree about hating it, I heard it becomes natural but I realllly don't like it lol

Just realized there's hella WordPress jobs in my area.

Anyone got a good book recommendation? I've fucked with things like Drupal but most my work is just stack

>>57063601
>shit hours
>shit pay
>overly competitive
/professional game dev

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>>57064057
>Just realized there's hella WordPress jobs in my area.
>there's hella WordPress jobs
>hella jobs
>hella
Is that you Chloe?

>>57064194
HELLA BIDNESS DAWG

SEE YOU IN THE MOSH PIT SHAKA BRAH


A difficult character to be endeared to, that's for certain

>>57063837
>>recommending to learn Angular 1
>> 2016
>> October

Hey guys, it has been a long week in the office, we are doing a fucking huge SaaS with React, ES6, and python.

I need a fucking break right now, so I'm going to blow off some money and steam by getting some hookers and a proper meal somewhere. Do you guys approve?

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>>57064295
I will find you, and I will legacy app you.

>>57064222
Difficult? Nah. Not for me at least. Liked her since chapter 1/2, loved her by the end of 5.
She has a difficult personality if anything, that's for sure.
>>57064295
Angular 1 is, and still will be supported, I'ts more widely adopted, has more market share (so jobs), more learning resources.
And angular 2 isn't even out yet (it's still in beta).
Those are more like 2 seperate frameworks now, angular 1 beign more popular one.

>>57064327
Of course. But only if you can afford it.

>>57064194
EAST PALO ALTO MOTHAFUCKA

>>57064353
>And angular 2 isn't even out yet
Nice job staying updated, bro
>Angular 1 is, and still will be supported
While it is correct that there will be a fucking huge ton of legacy angular 1 jobs for a while, most new projects starting today are made mostly using React or Angular 2. It should be beneficial to your career to learn one of those at this point.
Unless you are a legacy code maintainer fetishist, and that's your kind of thing.

>>57064372
>working on huge SaaS with React and python
>not being able to afford stuff
pick one

>>57064392
>React
Well I can agree with that, I think that's the way to go anyway.
Angular is in shitty position now because all that 1 vs 2 thing.

>>57064392
I was assuming he was looking for his first job, so in case he's an experienced guy you're right.

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I don't know if this comes up very much but is there any reason to choose Foundation over Bootstrap?? I'm trying to make my existing project responsive and I started looking into both of them. Foundation actually clicks with me more so far and it seems like it keeps the code cleaner. I only just started looking into the two today so I could be wrong. But everyone seems to use Bootstrap, should I just follow the pack and do Bootstrap?

>>57061156
would like to know this as well.

>>57064519
Use foundation if you like it more. Bootstrap is just more popular but a lot of people use foundation as well.
I myself use pure, because it suits me best of all.

>>57064519
>>57061156

Learn how to do it yourself. People will look down on you if you learn something through a tool and skip vanilla. Think of the coding tests you may have to do that don't allow you to do use a framework.

>>57064596
Is there a spot to find the test examples?

>>57064571
I'm only looking into it because entry level jobs ask for it.

>>57064701
I wish I could point you to one. I've gotten a test where they give you a psd to replicate.. or they just give you images and say go for it however you want (with just html/css/js).. stuff like that really.

I'd do it once myself and once with bootstrap. It's just css based on screen size vs. bootstraps html tags doing the work for you.

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>>57064767
That kind of stuff I could do. I took a test from one employer where they gave me a completely retarded logo, it fucked me all kinds of up. I honestly had no idea how to go forward with it. If it was a real client I probably would have explained that the logo is retarded and would fuck up the website.

Pic is the logo I was given. What does one do when given a retardedly shitty logo???

god I hate css, it's nothing but creating endless lists of conifiguration files and I don't understand what 99% of these things do.

Maybe I should give up on web dev and go back to software dev. this is painful

>>57065039
There are resources all over the internet that explain in detail what each property does. If you're too lazy to do something as simple as research, I don't think you'll find software dev any easier.

>>57065006

wait what were you supposed to do w the logo? what were the instructions?

>>57065070

>working on my own project w css

not too bad... pretty much just google anything I don't know how to do

>working w/ someone else's CSS

wew

>>57058789

As fun as working at a start up would be (we've got a shit ton in Minneapolis) and potentially make me loads of money, I'd rather have the security of a boring 9-5 maintaining legacy applications rather than have a company tank in 2 years.

>>57065611
>what is inspect element

>>57065624

yeah but if a company tanks you can pretty easily find a new job

>>57065589
Make a nice looking site with that logo present on every page... I had no idea what to do. I think I ended up making the nav bar a side bar that was largehuge as fuck.

>>57065653

yea then you gotta deal with 401k rollover, loss of benefits, etc while finding a new job and filing for COBRA in the mean time is shit if you have to see a doctor regularly.

>>57065629

shut it

>>57065785
kek

http://4lock.org

It's some shitty archive website I made 3 months ago. Feel free to critique, nothing is sacred.

>>57065006
Make a vector, let the client know fine detail will be lost at small sizes no matter what.

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What's an elegant way to style abbreviations in css?

Leave the dotted line as is?

>>57066126
That's what I should have done or made the fucker black and white and make the site black and white... but that was a while back. I didnt get the gig but I don't really give a fuck.

Is there any library that makes it easy to draw in a HTML5 canvas? I know fuck all about it, basically I just want one function to add a little ball/image into the canvas, one function to move an specific ball to a X/Y coordinate (animate move to the destination) and one function to clear it all

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Best basic font for general use?

>>57051588
So I have been trying to pick up javascript. I learned some coding in college before I dropped out but those were pretty easy in terms of the scope they covered.

I have been fucking around on code warriors just trying to get the fundamentals of js down and honestly I have having a real hard time. I got up to level six just recently but it took me about four days of non stop coding to get there. i had no help other than looking stuff up on mdn.

Eventually I figure it out but it can take an hour to a few hours to just finish one. Granted some of it is just not know all the methods and the quirks of js but I have a hard time coming up with answers to problems. It just don't click most of the time.

I recently got a udmey boot camp course(torrented) to try to get into development. I am not expecting it to get me a new job after finishing it, but giving me the foundation to learn enough to get a new job. I mostly follow it as sort of a bread crumb trail. Even getting past the js part of the course I have been focusing on working on stuff from code wars to get better at js. The thing is i am getting the feeling that this shit is too hard and there is so much to learn before I can even get anywhere close to getting a job. I see all these websites with huge amounts of code and here i am having a hard time doing code wars shit.

TL;DR

Will coding become easier the more I do it and how long does it take to get to a point where I can find a job?

>>57067430
Will that work?
http://paperjs.org/

>>57067066
>>57067754

dude... just no, don't

>>57068031
>Will coding become easier the more I do it and how long does it take to get to a point where I can find a job?

yeah it becomes way easier. I quit and picked it back up multiple times before everything really sunk in. you get to a point where nothing is really intimidating anymore. I remember how daunting everything was when I was starting out, and it's not like that anymore. you learn exactly how to phrase your searches. your eyes work quickly finding silly errors. instead of thinking through loops step-by-step you just fire em off. etc.

my advice would be to not focus on each tiny detail if something doesn't make perfect sense to you. just make stuff that works, and the details will sink in over time. and don't waste time thinking about all the stuff you still have to learn, or all the other stuff you could be working on, if you chose a bad project, etc. just put in your x hours a day. be better today than you were yesterday. better tomorrow than you are today.

as far as how long before you could get a job... I feel like that is such a tough question to answer. if you put in an hour a day every day... a year maybe? so it would follow that 2 hours a day of focused work would mean 6 months? I feel like that's reasonable for specifically entry level positions. maybe others can chime in though...

>>57068308
Well, I work for my aunt and she gives me abut 15 hours a day of real work. I have been putting in maybe 10 hours a day into coding. I am not trying to rush or anything, but going slowly. I am kind of conflicted because I am thinking about moving out of my parents house but then I will not be able to put more time into coding since I will be working a dead end job.

Oh, is it weird that this time around trying to pick up coding that I find it more fun than video games? I am having a blast with it some how even if I want to punch my monitor at times. When I get an error free problem done on codewars I feel like I just won a intense game of overwatch or lol.

Ideally I would like to put in about eight hours of real coding though even with a full time job.

My current thing is to learn nodejs, I know it is a meme but my reasoning is to get better at js, and then pick up another backend.

What would be your suggestion after finishing basic html/css/js and some node? I have been working on js nonstop but haven't really fucked around with css too much.

>>57068368

yeah, webdev and programming in general makes me feel pretty powerful. being able to make anything and share it with the world is pretty cool.

>What would be your suggestion after finishing basic html/css/js and some node?

honestly I would say keep working with that stuff until you land your first job. you can do a bunch with that alone.

>>57068368

>What would be your suggestion after finishing basic html/css/js and some node?

Basics are HTML5, CSS, JS, but after that you also want JQuery and/or Bootstrap, because they really make some things easier.

Naturally you'll also want some database, so either MongoDB or PostgreeSQL. Personally I prefer SQL, but MongoDB is the "classical" MEAN stack, which is:
-MongoDB
-Express
-Angular2
-Node.JS

Angular (or React or Viz or Ember or ..) would be the next level, with taht szuff you can create more complex applications.

But honestly, don't get there too early. Many people jump head first in SPA's, without a proper knowledge of JS or HTML. This will bounce back eventually.

As the other anon said, with HTML+CSS+JS (+maybe JQuery or Bootstrap) will carry you a long way, so maybe just add a database of your choice and become a master of old school webdesign..

why is Symfony so shit?

>>57069607
>Angular (or React or Viz or Ember or ..) would be the next level, with taht szuff you can create more complex applications.
Wtf does this mean? That you can't write "complex" apps without it? What is that "complexity" it give you, specifically?

For Node, is it okay or bad if I want to use MySQL? I'm just more used to it since I had to use it in school with PHP. Still not sure about NoSQL stuff, and don't know about PostgreSQL, I had it in internship and whatever I touched there I hate it now for some reason.

>>57069674
It's okay to use sql in Nodejs
try looking for Sequelize