Coffee Technology Thread

>>57041442
600€ to get good espresso

>>57041564
wtf i hate espresso now

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Just get a Bialetti like the dirty Italians.

>>57041611
i'm drinking my morning coffee made from one of these at the moment and it is crap compared to proper espresso, hence why i made this thread

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>>57041442

The more ''''''technology'''''' you are to your coffee, the worse it gets

calm down

>>57041646
I want an espresso that tastes like costa espresso

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Fast, simple and impossible to fuck up. Only nuance is you should clean it in your toilet, Im scared of clogging the pipes.

>>57041611
This anon knows his shit.

t. real pasta eater.

>>57041646
>>57041675
Colored water. There's no pressure, espresso is all based on pressure.

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>>57041646
this pour over is the best method
I got a steel filter and I don't have to pay for paper ones never again.

>>57041619
Expresso are good to finish a meal, not for morning coffee

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$600 - $900

depending on features like:

steaming milk

cant think of anything else lol

Reminder that coffee and especially espresso contains high quantity of furan.

Reminder that the benefits of drinking coffee are mostly placebo.

>>57041812
>caffeine is placebo
nice 1

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>>57041784
>pour over
There are machines that do that, who has time to stand there waiting.

>>57041768
Moka != espresso

Fucking retards.

>>57041812
>Exposure to furan at doses about 2000 times the projected level of human exposure from foods increases the risk of hepatocellular tumors in rats and mice and bile duct tumors in rats.
Are you afraid of mercury poisoning from salmon too?

Why do Americans/Euros make coffee with water?

t. Milk coffee drinking pajeet

>>57041812
Even if that was true, placebo's still work.

>>57041852
Because dairy is fucking cancer

>>57041838
Articulate.

>>57041812
>furan
I'm not an expert but, how does boiling water and high pressure generate furan? unless the coffee was shit treated/dried chemically, normal coffee shouldn't do this.

>>57041866
>hating on dairy
Gao Matha will smite you, faggot.

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i'm looking at the linea mini, which comes in at just under 5k dollarydoos.
I've been using a $200 sunbeam for the last decade and i've realised that an underpowered pump coupled with a rudimentary thermostat leads to a okay brew at best.
you need something with a fuckload of pressure to push through a finer grind without burning it.pic related.

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>>57041442
coffee mustardrace checking in. about $5 for one of these.

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>>57041867
Not him, but..

Well moka pot came first and then later top down espresso style machines were invented and they gradually came to be modern espresso machines as we now know. Older italians still refer to the moka pot as espresso pot sometimes.

The principle is the same, hot water/steam is pushed trough coffee grounds with pressure, but espresso machines use much higher pressure. Some define espresso with pressure, which is 9-10 bars compared to moka's 1-2 bars.
There is a taste difference, espresso is much more richer, the higher pressure catches a lot more material/molecules? and also produces the distinct foam for espresso.
Ofc that depends on the grind also, which is usually little coarser in moka. You can use wide variety of grinds in moka, it makes it very versatile, coarse grinds produce more mellow and light flavors.

Side note: you can use sugar mixed with the grounds in moka to get foam production.

And then there is a italian espresso institute that defines what is espresso coffee.
http://www.espressoitaliano.org/files/File/istituzionale_inei_hq_en.pdf

>>57041768

pounding your mom's thick Italian ass is based on pressure for muh dick faggot

>>57042028
Espresso machines came earlier then moka pots, and relied on boiling water/steam pressure.
Moka pot was essentially a small espresso maker for homes.
Later came the advanced espressor machines which pumped the pressure to ~10 bars.

>>57042028
>Some define espresso with pressure, which is 9-10 bars compared to moka's 1-2 bars.

is there a minimum pressure you should look for when buying an espresso machine?

>>57041992
Do you brew in this thing like you would a Turkish coffee?

>>57041866
Fuck yeah

Dairy, pig meat and chicken is for degenerates.

>>57042028
You truly love coffee m8, I used to be a barista for a couple years though so I knew the difference in pressure. Although I stopped drinking coffee due to health issues, I really miss it a lot. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

i was looking at the $200 nespresso but it uses proprietary pods, fuck that

>>57042104
>health issues
Care to explain?

I have OP's pic, I fucking love it, the best coffee I've ever drunk
Stop being a /g/ay hipster about how do you make an espresso and enjoy it

>>57042130
problems with kidneys and bladder, there was a period I was really addicted and literally only drank coffee, not eating any food either.

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>>57042088
yeah, only meaningful difference is the turks brew theirs in metallic containers. the jebena is made out of clay and imo produces better coffee because of it.

>>57042174
Sounds nice

>>57042163
Sorry to hear that, I hope you get well soon.

I coughed up blood when I woke up for the last year.
Then I found this enlightening video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTacOD_jD2k
I wish I was kidding.

>>57041792
>silvia
muh nigguh

I stopped drinking and taking caffeine.
I think it fucked me over a lot in the past.

>>57042028
So I actuallly have to spend 600 euros to get a good espresso in my home?

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>>57041442
I have this beast. Drinking a great americano from it right now.

>>57042250
there're cheaper brands:
https://www.amazon.com/s/?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=espresso%20machine

>>57041442

If you want espresso that is actually good, you have to spend a fair bit. You need a high quality conical burr grinder (so that's a few hundred bucks just for that) and then a one group espresso machine that actually has a large enough boiler and pump to generate the right amount of heat and pressure.

That pretty much excluded any counter-top water-tank type machine last time I checked, I don't think you can get a real espresso machine new for less than several hundred dollars.

Plus, as a practical matter, it's almost impossible to make enough espresso on a daily basis to make it worthwhile.

I love espresso, but I use a pour-over method at home because it's just not worth it to spend the time and money on an espresso set up at home.

>>57042127
>it uses proprietary pods, fuck that
Agreed. Though I believe that pod systems are losing the patent war, aren't they?

Anyway, fuck pods. Ridiculous amount of waste and if you're going to spend bucks on coffee machines, get something that takes beans.

>drinking coffee

enjoy being a drug addict

>>57042436
>not being a drug addict
enjoy boring regular life

>>57041646
Bullshit. I've been to the homes of billionaires, I've had espresso from $10,000 machines that you only need to feed whole beans into.

It's otherworldly. Nothing else I've had comes close.

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>>57041442
pic realted and it broke after like 2 years, leaking water everywhere when you use it

>>57042450
> I've had espresso from $10,000 machines that you only need to feed whole beans into.

how much do you know about coffee?

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>>57042028
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359431108002299

Cold or hot water in a moka pot?

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>>57042400
>counter-top water-tank type machine
I read that as:
>> counter-top wanker type machine

>Plus, as a practical matter, it's almost impossible to make enough espresso on a daily basis to make it worthwhile.
This is true but in a work-place, it's a very good investment. Paying for a coffee machine is literally purchasing productivity, you see tired, worn-down employees staggering to the break room and bouncing back to their desk all medicated, alert and happy. And they thank you for it.

One of the managers was a real addict and had pic related at home and used his influence to get one for the break room. He taught lessons in brewing and latte art. It became an office culture, wanky but fun. I bought lactose-free milk and drank lattes every day but eventually had to limit myself to two before noon only because I started getting bad insomnia. They were delicious lattes though, maybe the best coffee I've ever had.

>>57042436
>enjoy being a drug addict
Thanks, I really, really do.

>>57042400
You can get a decent setup for between $700-$1100. If you commit to not buying coffee from cafes the machine will pay for itself after a year(or sooner) if you're drinking a latte per weekday. But, your right a real machine is a big commitment, and there's a steep learning curve.

Cold water

>>57041619
You are doing it wrong then. hth

>>57041789
This, also.

>>57041619
>i'm drinking my morning coffee made from one of these at the moment and it is crap compared to proper espresso, hence why i made this thread
git gud I suppose.

Really, just use it as a base for latte?
I made coffee with one of those for years and it was great. You can't throw a rock in Brunswick, Au without hitting three shops that sell them.

>>57042545
To answer OP's questions, the Breville BES870BSXL runs at $571.

>>57042564
this

>>57042470
Enough to know good coffee from very good coffee.

I used to obsess over making coffee perfectly with french presses, drip filters, etc. I'd measure everything, time it, and I'd make pretty damn good coffee.

But after tasting the stuff that the super-rich drink, I've relaxed my practices. I still put the time and effort in for guests.

>>57042826
>But after tasting the stuff that the super-rich drink, I've relaxed my practices. I still put the time and effort in for guests.
It's a good idea, imagine their life? They travel to some random hotel in Paris and suddenly can't drink their favourite coffee.

The price of drinking good coffee is not being able to drink bad coffee. My chinese mother-in-law drinks random cheap red wine from a bottle that she pours from and recovers with clingwrap for weeks and loves it, I could explain to her what she's doing to the wine and how much better could be but then she wouldn't like drinking her cheap wine one-glass-per-day. I wouldn't be helping her at all.

Sometimes, ignorance is bliss.

>>57041442
I have the same machine on the pic. The important part is the size of the grain and how you press it. Also double dose make better coffee than single one (rubber thing is poorly made)

>>57042826
>Enough to know good coffee from very good coffee.

What beans do you use??

i once got a refurbished saeco talea for 200 bucks
works really great
(some coffeefags say that super automatics are not ideal but it tastes the fucking same to me)

>>57041442
Rancilio Silvia

Likely will pick up a kruieg K560 from costco in the next month or so.

I don't make coffee at home on a regular basis, I just occasionally want some specialty coffee here and there.

>>57041442
>CHAIN COFFEE SHOPS
Fucking. Kill. Your. Self.

>>57044694
2 chainnnzzzzz

>>57044694
getting tired of le hate all coffee chains meme

most of them use freshly ground beans and brew on top quality equipment

even if you hate their mumford & sons playing asses they serve better coffee than 99% of homes

Whatever you do don't fall for the aeropress meme.

Te consuming to use and clean with not much of an improvement even with the inverted method.

Nothing beats perfectly timing a French press and making a cup of coffee that would cost you $4 somewhere.

>>57041646
I thought that this was just a meme, but I had coffee from one and it was one of the best cups I've ever had, coffee from actual shops included.

>>57041442
I only had espresso at a small shop. They sell doubles for around $2.00. I think they do a good job. There's a special "discount" on even shots since workers end up throwing away a shot when you order a single or triple.

Overall score: comfy/10

>>57041442
entry level is $700 for a Rancilio Silvia and $450 Baratza Virtuoso Preciso

>>57041646
anyone's got experience on the chemex?

the guys on the coffee shop i go to ride its dick so hard. i use a french press so i don't see it, also

>proprietary filters

looks gorgeous tho

>>57047375
French press and drip give a different body

>>57046466
>They sell doubles
wew lad, dubs confirm

>>57047375

They taste totally different and it's mostly a matter of which aspects of the coffee you prefer: Body and syrupy-ness, or bright notes and a clean finish.

If the former, stick with the press, if the latter, go Chemex.

Personally I use a Chemex, a Barzata Virtuoso grinder, an electric temperature controlled goose-neck kettle, an electric scale, and a local coffee roaster who roasts coffee to order and overnights it to their customers.

>>57041442
Get a nespresso, shit is god tier.

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As usual, most people in the thread thinking they are thrifty experts because they make "espresso" in an Aeropress or moka pot.

That being said, I recently got a Rok/Presso. It isn't a real espresso maker. But compared to the other non-electric solutions it actually makes fantastic espresso. It's $150. Takes a lot of fucking around with and of course it is unpowered so is inconsistent at best.

I agree with the idea that you need to spend $600+ on a real machine. Grinder is at least as important. Plan on $200 for a Lido or $400+ for an electric.

Setup attached. Usually do French press for coffee.

>>57047728
autism

>>57041442
not a whole fucking lot, it's mostly in the beans

>tfw Hario v60, Mochapot and Aeropress
>shitty handmill
I need a proper coffee mill to get the best out of these shit. I'm thinking of Baratza Encore and the reviews seem good enough but does anyone here have any history with Baratza before ?

>>57047766
lol the beans are probably the least relevant part if you have something remotely fresh and properly roasted

>>57047829
the encore is probably the most popular enthusiast level inexpensive electric grinder there is

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>actually brewing coffee
lol

>>57047927

Only time i ever drink instant coffee is if i work out in the country, shit's nasty yo.

>>57047897
>Least relevant part
Wewlad. I bet you think all coffee tastes that same.

>>57047969
take high quality beans and run them through a $20 krups grinder and then throw it in a moka pot poorly tamped

vs

(again reasonably fresh/roasted) beans from wherever you can find, perfectly ground, made with a real espresso machine

and tell me which one produces a better shot

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This works fine, steams milk, pulls up to 4 shots at a time. Have an ok grinder and it comes out fine.

>>57047951
I would have agreed with you before I had Winco brand instant coffee.

>>57041442
Why do you drink espresso anyway?

>>57048029
Because every other coffee I've had tastes like water

>>57047951
I'm out the country and I brought an Aeropress with my, with grinder. Not that it's bad but Bosnian Coffee gets boring after a while

>>57048004
Those are completely different methods.
>Lol, why is my French press watery compared to my espresso

Also you're confusing "coffee is the most important" with " coffee is the only important thing".

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>>57047927
my nigga

>>57048104
>Those are completely different methods.
That's exactly what I was trying to demonstrate. That telling someone the beans matter more than the espresso machine when they are asking what espresso machine is dumb.

>Also you're confusing "coffee is the most important" with " coffee is the only important thing".
Yeah okay
>not a whole fucking lot, it's mostly in the beans
>the beans are probably the least relevant part if you have something remotely fresh and properly roasted

>>57047927
Shit is terrible compared to actually brewing

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>>57048169
You guys are little babies when it comes to coffee.

>>57048291
You can disagree I couldn't care less. I just would make a pretty hefty bet for beans winning out if you only change one variable at a time. I.e. filtered water from the fridge vs special order brew water.

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>>57048386
>special order brew water

>>57048386
You're picking an unrealistic variable to change to make the beans look important. Go back to the original claim that the espresso machine is less important than the beans for making espresso. This is totally absurd. I'd take a properly executed shot of Starbucks blendo el cheapo espresso before I let some kid with a "it doesn't matter" machine waste 20 grams of good beans.

>>57048322
I like my coffee how I like my women.

Literally anything will do.

wow... coffee fags >> vape fags

>>57048458
And I would take the opposite. Starbucks espresso is trash compared to a local rosters espresso, which i guarantee has a shitier machine.

>>57048525
>implying "a shittier machine" in a coffee shop aka $2k vs $4k is what you meant when you said anything will do for OP

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>>57041442
>chain coffee shops
>good

>>57048512
>no one has invented coffee vaping yet

Who /costaflatwhite/ here?

>>57048582
Caffeine is way too poisonous to put in vape juice, you would have hipster trash in the ER 24/7.

>>57048582
>they have

caffeine infused, coffee flavored juice exists.

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>>57048588
forgot this is a nepalese cavepainting imageboard

>>57048601
Thats fucking terrifying.

>>57048606

I love the texture of those cups.

> not the shit inside them

>>57048541
And I don't have a mokapot, but my brother had one. It tasted better than Starbuck's. Most places in Spain have shit machines but slightly better coffee. Guess which tastes better.

>>57048628
>Starbuck


Still too scared to open in Italy

>>57048595
>>57048601
the eurphoria from hitting a vape on weeks being abstinent from it must be insane. i try to not drink on weekends so monday my first cup makes me feel euphoric.

Wew

>>57048671
in that moment, anon

>>57048628
Again, when you say "shit machines", you really don't. They're still high quality devices. When people like OP see an "espresso machine" on Amazon for $100 they are not on that level.

>>57048734
the espresso machines in cafes cost thousands.

>>57048734
Feel free to ignore my moka pot from fucking Ikea story.

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I do not understand chemex. They stick a piece of wood on some glass, jack up the price, and then try to get you to keep buying their filters. It's just a riced out version of a plastic coffee filter for hipsters.

>>57048818

Their filters are thick enough to do large volume pour overs. None of the other pour over methods can do 8, 10 or 12 cups at once, as far as I know.

That alone makes it worth it.

>>57048845
I'm glad I don't have to make coffee for 4+ other people in the morning.

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>>57048845
this one can do 12, and its $15, instead of $40. 100 filters are also $4, instead of $11.

>>57048845
this. Chemex is a lifesaver during family gatherings where I have to make coffee for 6 people at once. Much better than having to make coffee 3 times with a V60

Enough, enough.

ITT: Actual, visceral disdain for plebs.

>>57048582
>what is smoking meth

Y'all cowards don't even smoke crack

>>57041792
you can get dat pid upgrade too

>all this stuff just to drink shit water
that's why tea is master race

>>57041611
Is it suppose to smell? I just bought one and it's rather smelly.

>>57042440
people with boring regular life are more likely to drink coffe

>>57048556
>anime pic
>fedora opinion

well brew me surprised

>>57047927
le vomite anime gorl

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>>57047585

This nigga gets it

Rest of you faggots drinking stale sludge desu fambam

Cheers m8

>>57046363
whats the perfect timing?
and how does it compare to espresso and pour-over?

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>>57048374
Pls

>>57049809
It's different for every bag of coffee, which is why it's hard. It's more oily compared to drip, and completely different to espresso.

maxwell house master race

Friend of mine has an espresso machine and the espresso it makes tastes pretty good to me, but I don't really consider myself to have much of a sophisticated palette. I think he paid around 500 USD for it.

>>57047927
This dude gets it; if you aren't making espresso don't fuck with anything but a cheap ass water heater and instant coffee.

>>57049809
for what i know you want the water as hot as possible but not boiling as that burns the bean

after that you have to let it brew for a certain time and that varies on how coarse or fine the beans are ground. brew too long and the coffee gets bitter and brew for to short and you're drinking brown water

>>57041792
You can't really go cheap on an espresso machine and expect good or consistent results. It's pretty much just a build quality issue. Too cheap and the pump, boiler, fits, and internals just aren't good enough. There are some basic features that are good, like articulating steam wand, or a PID temperature controller.

I guess you can get a dual boiler model that lets you steam milk while the espresso is extracting, which I is ideal for many cafe drinks, but honestly, just use a pre-heated espresso vessel and it'll wait just fine while you steam.

So that said, once you do meet a minimum standard (and don't need any automation features or commercial volume ability) there's no need to spend too much more. I guess increased temperature and pressure settings, which many good espresso machines don't offer many options for. There's really not a lot of entry versus advanced level for home espresso. It's do or don't.

So get a Rancilio Silvia with the PID upgrade; or go for a Breville Infuser which might actually be cheaper (it's also easier to use, but the Silvia is probably better overall). The cheapest you'd want to go is 350 Ameribucks for a Gaggia classic.

You also need a decent grinder, and that's the same issue. Either it can make a consistent grind or it can't. You need to pay another 350 for a Rancilio Rocky, or a bit less for a Baratza Preciso.
You can pay a bit more and get some extra features, like a doser.

Oh, if you drink non-espresso coffee, you need a more expensive grinder if you want it to do a wider range of grinds consistently. My Baratza Vario cost more than my espresso machine (though I bought that refurb), but it makes great french press and pour over grinds too.

Which reminds me, if you're willing, many companies (notably Baratza) have very reputable refurbishing plans, and you can save a little dosh getting those (just make 100% sure they're manufacturer refurbished).

>>57041442
Son of a bitch I just saw this exact machine at the thrift store for $10

>>57042400
>Plus, as a practical matter, it's almost impossible to make enough espresso on a daily basis to make it worthwhile.

I beg to differ. I make the point about build quality in my post. Get a good grinder and a good espresso machine and they will last you years with minimal service, and generally be serviceable when they do develop a fault.

So sure, it might be ~1000$ to get set up. But two shots worth of coffee beans costs less than 40¢. Double that if you're using premium locally roasted hipster stuff. Much less if you can find good beans through a higher volume supplier, or even less if you roast your own. Compare that to a short latte or something that'd cost 4$, and you hit simple replacement in under a year.
Admittedly, that's only if you don't include the cost of your time, which will push costs higher. But then, I enjoy making my own, so it's worth it to me.

>>57041852
You can make coffee with milk?

>>57048965
Protip: putting meth in water, coffee or cupcakes is a bad idea and will taste not so good

>>57050278
Not worth it. Saeco Pomia wasn't good. You needed at least an Aroma before I'd even venture 10$.

There's not enough Aeropress love in here.
I don't much like the Chemex. Too little body.

>>57047164
Baratza Virtuoso and Baratza Preciso are both cheaper than that.

>>57047829
Baratza Encore is perfect for your needs.

>>57050308
Yeah. Just boil the milk, pour coffee powder into the milk. It works better with sugar than just black.

>>57050292
when you're not the only coffee drinker in the house the economics of it make even more sense

coffee at a cafe costs like $3.50 where i live, wife and i drink at least one coffee each daily

making our own probably costs less than a dollar a cup so the savings would paid for our $1200 silvia+rocky setup long ago

we've had it something like five years now

>>57049773

Thanks. I own a Espro Press as well, but I decided I preferred the brighter, cleaner cup of a pour over method and I like the lack of clean up.

I've also owned an espresso machine and grinder in the past (a San Marco Sprint 1 group and a San Marco sm92) grinder, but I found I just didn't go through beans fast enough or use the machine frequently enough for it not to be a total waste at home.

>drinking Coffee

I mainly drink water with 1 or 2 lime slices in it.

My grandmother gave me coffee all the time when i was young and I grew to fucking hate the damn drink.

If I ever need a pick me up I'll just chug a sugar-free red bull.

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thinking of picking one of these up for $60
From what I hear they pull a decent shot.
Figure I can save some dough and stop buying expensive/shitty coffee on campus...
Is it a complete meme?

aeropress + any decent burr grider

or if you don't want the aeropress, just cold brew in a mason jar.

>>57041852

because our milk here is hormone-laced and if you drink it too much you'll turn into an autistic giant

>>57051315
I've been tempted by an espro press, but I've heard the cleanup is a bitch compared to a regular French press, so I've stuck with that.

>>57044849
>getting tired of le hate all coffee chains meme
>most of them use freshly ground beans and brew on top quality equipment
>even if you hate their mumford & sons playing asses they serve better coffee than 99% of homes
That's a very reasonable thing to say.

I think hipsters are ridiculous but they're just people that like what I don't like and hipsters barristas usually make quite good coffee.

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>>57046466
>They sell doubles for around $2.00
>>57047573
>wew lad, dubs confirm

Bateman coffee checked.

>thinking Aeropress is a meme
kek. If you're not willing to spend big money this probably is the best you can get.

Of course it does require some manual effort and finesse, thus disqualifying most of /g/ from using it.

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>>57047927
>instant trolling

I like good bean brewed coffee but since I drink it heavy with milk, it doesn't have to be top notch.

pic related is much better than I expected, it's actually better than the pressure/drip machine my wife bought me. I suspect that it's not pure coffee though.

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>>57048601
>caffeine infused, coffee flavored juice exists.
/n/ here, we can get coffee infused caffeine/amino-acid energy gels for hard rides. They're really great when climbing mountains etc.

pic related
It tastes kinda like really, really sweet coffee

>>57041442
I use a £15k coffee machine daily. I don't even drink it, I just make it for my friends.

It has Bluetooth

>>57051868

botnet coffee machine

>>57051868
hello botnet my old friend

>>57051896
>>57051919
It's pretty cool.

I have an espresso machine and a burr grinder. Use the grinder all the time, espresso machine not so much. Lengthy to clean and setup for something I don't want too much. Use it occasionally.

Instead I just use the regular drip coffee pot and have multiple cups instead.

>>57051939

it isn't. you literally only need coffee grounds and a container to make decent coffee.

>>57051963
The only thing I use it for personally is to make a hot chocolate now and again.

I just take caffeine pills

>>57051952
>Lengthy to clean and setup
backflush every evening for 30 seconds
once a month with cafiza for 10 minutes
come on

>>57051975
>The only thing I use it for personally is to make a hot chocolate now and again.
I'm assuming you didn't pay for it, is it at your work or your parents bought it?

It's on topic anyway so post pics in thread of this £15k bluetooth botnet coffee machine

>>57052005
>caffeine pills
I'd drink pepsi max if I just wanted the fastest possible caffeine infusion. I drink coffee because I like hot milk drinks as well.

>>57052020
Nah, its in a place of work. I'm a poor-fag working the jobs only eastern Europeans should be doing. If only I had the disposable income to buy such a glorious machine to make my hot chocolate.

>>57051498
I too have heard good things. But find it pretty hard to believe when even the Rok is $150. On the other hand both are a glorified Aeropress which is $20.

>>57052014
Also rinse and dry a bunch of stuff. Wipe the grounds off the bench/sink where you did the tamping.

Plus grinding, pouring and tamping beans takes time. Instant does have it's advantages.

Of course, humans like ritual and any habit forming substance forms much strong habits if it involves rituals to take the substance. Like tying off and pumping a vein, melting a drug in a spoon and injecting it...the more complex the ritual, the stronger the habit. The addict comes to enjoy the ritual.

So yeah, good coffee is way longer and more complex to make than instant but a coffee aficionado likes the process and savours each step so it's not considered a disadvantage to you. To anon, it's a shitload of trouble to get a coffee-like substance into their coffee-hole asap

>>57052030
>Nah, its in a place of work. I'm a poor-fag
I didn't mean daddy's money so much as daddy's big-man coffee machine that you used for chocolate because you don't like coffee as much as him.

Anyway, post pics.

>>57052034
difference is that this can be thrown in a backpack, used, put away, and cleaned out later. Pretty easy to discretely use at the back of a classroom or in a bathroom stall.

>>57051702
>effort
>finesse

nigga it's just a french press you just add the rest of the water later

>>57052080

gross.

>>57052100
swear to god i'm not a drug addict

>>57052014
Uh, no.

Gotta empty and rinse the portafilter, clean out the tray and wipe it down and shit. It's like a 5-10 minute process for a single cup. No thanks.

>>57052062
It's in work.

>>57052111
>It's in work.
So fucking google the model and get a pic and post it

>>57052111
>It's in work
See >>57042545
This was in my work and I haven't worked there in four years and it was a different country and it took me 30 seconds to find a pic of the coffee machine.

>>57052106
yeah, if you stare at it for 9 more minutes after knocking off the puck and rinsing it

>>57041784
remind me how this is different than a 10USD drip brew machine

>>57047927
I've been wanting one of those Zojirushi heaters for a while now but I probably won't use it enough to justify the price on a new 3L one

>>57052173
Are you stupid? It takes 2-3 minutes alone to properly clean the portafilter, good few minutes too to clean the rest.

Would rather dump grounds into the coffee pot and wait 10 minutes, like a 2 step process that requires no effort and yields way more.

>>57048386

I'm a bit curious about that brew water shit. I know there's special water for Whiskey, such as that William Wallace brand, but coffee? What does it have that sets it apart from regular old ass filtered water?

>>57052263
>he uses a piece of shit pressurized portafilter (aka poverty filter)

it doesn't take 2-3 minutes to knock a puck into a bin dumbass

>>57052301
The placebo in the coffee community is pretty strong. I read some faggot was buying this packet of minerals to put in distilled water, and some doctor up their water themselves following water recipes.

>>57052301
>What does it have that sets it apart from regular old ass filtered water?
Probably trace mineral content but mostly, how does any expensive bottled water differ from regular filtered water? Price and status.

You can taste status though, there are strong psychological components to drinking expensive water vs say, filtered recycled water that was pumped out of a sewer treatment machine. Even though both might be chemically identical.

>>57041442
I've never even had espresso.
This is why I haven't become a degenerate sugar milkfat slurping latte junkie.

>>57054156
Dumbest thing ITT. Obvious bump.

>>57041442
>As food as chain coffee shops
MAXIMUM KEKIMUS

Espresso is just "pressurized" coffee. Buy any decent espresso machine or pressure cooker if you wanna be cheap and learn science.

Almost every chain youve ever been to is highly likely to feed you watered down, bland(even if it's not the rest of what I say is true), over or undercooked bowl of bean water run through piss and liquid dog shit.

I'm not even a coffee elitist. The only way coffee is ever good is when you make it yourself with fresh whole beans, fresh, appropriate grind, proper heat for flavor extraction and your preferred ingredients. As long as it's good coffee I'm a black man myself but there's nothing wrong with a little milk, creamer or lactaid of you're Lactose intolerant and some sugar or something.

Reminder that coffee is a sipping drink like whiskey not some pumpkin spice smoothie or soda can you should be chugging on a regular.

>>57054207
I like coffee, I dislike espresso culture and everything that goes with it.

My setup is a $12 french press and an electric kettle.
If I want pressurized shitwater, I also have a moka pot, but I've never really enjoyed the coffee that comes out of it.

>>57054210
>He can't take the taste of coffee

>>57054222
I was talking about the second sentence and how it relates to the first.

>>57054227
Hey senpai i said as long as it's a good bean I take mine black. But not everybody can enjoy every subtle nuance of it. It's definitely a bitter drink but it's full of earth, mang. Nothing wrong if somebody else wants a little milk or a teaspoon of sugar here and there. Get your shit smacked of I see it foaming because of the amount of sugar you put in. Fuck that's disgusting.

>>57054156
>This is why I haven't become a degenerate sugar milkfat slurping latte junkie.

>>57054210
>I'm not even a coffee elitist
I'd say you're in the wrong thread but you're clearly not since:
>Almost every chain youve ever been to is highly likely to feed you watered down, bland(even if it's not the rest of what I say is true), over or undercooked bowl of bean water run through piss and liquid dog shit.

I think you're probably a coffee elitist and therefore, you're really in the right thread.

You're a bit like that old uncle: "I'm not a racist but..."

>>57054252
You know espresso shots don't have sugar in them.
You also don't need to sip coffee to enjoy it.

>>57054254
I agree and don't. Man. Ive been to every coffee shop in my town between Dunkin donuts, coffee culture, Starbucks and local café's and the only places that have decent black coffee are house holds of family and friends.

Dunkin donuts, only the shop on upper peach street in my city, is the only place I'll stop for coffee. Any other place I'll choose a shitty energy drink or cocoa instead.

>>57054210
>Espresso is just "pressurized" coffee
I like most coffee really but I really like the crema on espressos drawn from good coffee machines. It's the reason that I like >>57051716 when I drink instant.

Is the crema only on espressos? I don't think I ever get it from french press, moka pots or drip filters, which I've owned and used all of before.

>>57054222
>expresso culture
Then don't be a part of it.
I drink lattes like I rent a studio apartment in San Fransisco because these things are fucking delicious.

>>57054286
I don't understand your statement.
You mean to say you rent multiple studio apartments in SF?

>>57054269
Crema is an old name for espresso. I mean yeah it's specific to espresso technically but that foam is just a result of the pressure. It's basically sediment that's why it doesn't fizzle away you end up drinking it. Just like how you gotta stir Turkish coffee like crazy every time you sip it because it's made with real course grind.

It's just a fine foam from the super fine ground up bean.

If you look inside a dripper machine as soon as you brew a pot, if it's a fresh bean a similar foam will be on top too depending on how it was ground up.

>>57054292
I actually rent the window seat in starbucks

>>57054301
>If you look inside a dripper machine as soon as you brew a pot, if it's a fresh bean a similar foam will be on top too depending on how it was ground up.
Dripper machines are stealing my crema? The fuckers...

>>57054434
I also get some from my cold brew

>>57054476
Not OP im
>>57054301
>>57054266
>>57054252
>>57054210

How is cold brew? I've never done it before because I was always under the impression that flavor extraction from heat is the best way for flavorful coffee but at the same time I'm a huge tea fan as well and I use a cold brew method for that.

Worth a shot to give cols brew coffee a try? How do you drink it? Room temp? Any additives like sweetener or creamer or does it taste just as good black?

>>57054603
Drink it cold, or hot. Steam it up to temp.
It comes out a lot less sour.

>>57054603
I really like it, but I think most people make it poorly. They end up under extracting and it comes out sour.

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>Put 2-4 tablespoon of ground coffee in filter
>Spread out evenly
>screw in the damper until it's tightly packed
>Pour hot water
>Wait for coffee to drip, add more water if needed

Cheap and quick way to get your caffeine fix. Very tasty

>>57054775
I've used those Vietnamese ones, not bad but I like the crema, see: >>57054269

I drink it that way in Vietnam though, cafe sua is pretty good desu

I'm elitist about many things, but I draw my line at a fucking beverage.

>>57048909
>not drinking enough coffee for 4 people

do you even caffeine bro

>>57054835
>I reserve my elitism over important things, like text editors or my preferred white space scheme :^)

i have only ever had coffee that consists of powder from a can and hot water

is it really that different from one of these machines?

>>57054879
Contrasting coffee and what you're used to (old dirt water) is pretty significant

>>57054817

Where I'm from the Crema is pretty terrible, even in chain coffeeshops like Starbucks.

Prefer their daily brew for my caffeine fix.

Strangely enough I like the filter coffee, no failure at pretentiousness (Ie, espresso and cappuccino which tastes more like underbrewed milk and coffee)

>>57054879

A lot of powdered coffee uses esther/flavor enhancers if you drink pre-mixed 3 in 1 coffee (With creamer and sugar).

In my experience the flavour in coffee powder has a more chemical aftertaste, the bitterness in fresh coffee and coffee powder is very different.

For a pseudo espresso experience from a mocca I usually compact only half the coffee (full water ). Afterwards I check it while it's coming out till I see the stream change color towards the "this is colored water" (comes with experience), and pour it fast in a cup (don't stay to much upside down or you'll keep on pouring tasteless shit)

>>57041659
I swear they have the best espresso I have ever tasted, nothing comes close to it

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>ctrl+f "Brikka"
>no results

It's like you faggots don't even now what's best for little money.

>>57055747
that's weird. all I ever got at costa when visiting the uk (cambridge and northern london) was complete trash, worse than starbucks

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I prefer instant coffee because the technology is brilliant and the taste is indistinguishable from regular coffee

>>57041442
>drinking coffee
I hate the taste of coffee.
Ice Tea > Coffee

>>57057332
>not being in class right now

>>57041619
>Put it on a very small fire
>Turn the stove off and pour it out *before* it's completely done and the bubbly shit comes out
>>57041675
Nigga just throw used grounds in the bin, you don't throw sand in your toilet either do you?

>>57050918
Sounds pretty nice, I tried to put milk in my bialetti once and it tasted like puke

>>57056085
How is that better than a regular moka pot?

>>57041442
sereously... i know the best espresso from rombouts Molongo..

This is the coffe they serve at cafe de Paris, The Belgian Royal house, even ALAIN DUCASSE, who has 19 michelin stars, uses this coffe.

Here is my offer for the best, at home coffe. starting at ca 24 eur a month, with machine operating at high pressure.

if you want to order- http://www.zinzino.eu/2002785778/NO/en-GB/products/Beverages

Educational video http://www.zinzino.tv/videos/d49bdbb01c15ebc75c/the-benefits-with-zinzino-coffee-english

You are welcome :) I drink this everyday, i love it.

>>57057553
>starting at ca 24 eur a month,
>getting an overpriced loan for a coffee machine
kek

>>57057529
my mother bought one of these,
it is a regular moka pot, with the addition of the thing on top that foams up your coffee a bit to simulate crema
it actually tastes quite pleasant depending on the beans you're using, with the traditional not too intensely roasted 60/40 arabica/robusta mix it kinda feels like espresso

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>>57057553
Tasted this, love their brazillian espresso

>>57057571

Quality costs, also fairtrade

>>57042127
I have a Nespresso and like it a lot, but yeah, the pod situation sucks. It's not even the cost that's the issue, it's the fact that they hardly sell the damn things anywhere.

>>57057529
>How is that better than a regular moka pot?
Apparently it has a pressure valve so that it only produces the coffee after the pressure gets to a high enough level, makes it more like espresso or something.

Everything about it says it makes crema.

>>57057577
I don't really get the fascination with crema desu, nespresso/senseo would be much better without that fake gunk.
I really should get some quality robusta though, right now I always use Lavazza 100% arabica grounds but I recently heard (like you are saying) that traditional espresso is made from arabica + robusta.

>>57057529
>>57057577 is mostly right. With the Brikka, you'll be closer to an Espresso as a Moka. It is best used with a fine scale because varying in only 5 ml water or 1 g coffee makes your shot very different from another. Because of this you can finely tune your shot to be how you want it.
So this makes a better Moka as any other Mokapot, its shots come close to Espresso (and are even on par with some of the best in my shitty hometown.) If you don't believe me, I work in a Café (not Starbucks, a real one) for some years now and have been to barista seminars, too.

>>57052090
Dude, no. French press and Aeropress taste nothing alike.

>>57057679
So is it just a sieve screen to make it look more bubbly, or does it actually make coffee with higher pressure? If the latter it'd be pretty great.

>>57057640
pure arabica can be great, though. if you're not expecting the classical italian small town bar type of shot that's also good in cappuccino and such
I recently gave in to the 'monsooned malabar' hype which usually is 100% arabica and it's fucking brilliant

>>57057701
It's the latter. The "crema" is a result of the higher pressure. It is no real crema because it dissolves faster.

I think I have a decent collection of hipster coffee-creation devices: Aeropress, Chemex, Moccamaster, Bonavita, French press, and a plastic pour-over funnel. (Plus a not-very-good espresso machine.) With good beans, I can make coffee better than I've ever had made for me at any serious coffee shop (I live in Brooklyn).

The Aeropress produces really great flavor, with pretty wide variation depending on technique, but the quantity made is frustrating.

The Bonavita is a solid drip maker. Included thermal carafe doesn't retain heat that well. Would have been the best drip coffee I've had, except for:

The Moccamaster makes, hands-down, the best, most consistent drip coffee I've ever had. Fucking expensive though.

The Chemex rivals the Moccamaster, delivering a cleaner cup with still a lot of complexity. I'm still working on my technique with it. Due to the quantity it makes, I'll be giving away my old pour-over funnel.

French press: are you fucking kidding me. I use it for making tea, sometimes.

>>57057751
>I use it for making tea, sometimes.
nigga what
you don't press fucking tea

>>57057779
Nah, of course not, it just filters out the leaves pretty effectively. I have decent teapots I use more often, anyway.

>>57057779
BTW, you know that a French press isn't really about "pressing" the coffee, either, right? It's just the way you remove the suspended grounds once the brewing is done.

>>57057779
>you don't press fucking tea
It's a tea pot where once it's steeped, you can move all the leaves down and keep them out of the way and it also slows down the steeping once done so that it doesn't get too strong.
Lots of people use it for that, it works well.

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I like how this is mostly a more informative and constructive discussion about coffee than I've ever seen on /ck/
keep up the good work

>>57057968
>I like how this is mostly a more informative and constructive discussion about coffee than I've ever seen on /ck/
/ck/ would want to put cheese in it.

There are some good cooks and discussions on /ck/ but it's rarely such a technical focus as /g/ is obviously going to like. Also, /ck/ really likes fast food and a coffee thread is going to be kind of the opposite of that.

>>57057968
>more informative and constructive discussion about coffee than I've ever seen on /ck/
>>57058051
>There are some good cooks and discussions on /ck/ but it's rarely such a technical focus as /g/ is obviously going to like

And here's the proof, the /ck/ version of the same thread: >>>/ck/8179629

>>57057722
Neat thanks, I'm gonna get one.

>>57057818
In that case I've been doing it wrong.
>>57057968
There's also a coffee thread on /biz/ right now lel

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Who /cold brew/ here? I started making it this spring and now I don't drink anything else. It's so much smoother and seems to deliver caffeine more effectively.

I have two 1 quart flip top bottles and two 2 quart jars. I put 40 ounces of water and 12 ounces ground coffee in each jar and sit them on the countertop for two days or so, then I run everything through a filter (I just pour it into my Mr. Coffee) and bottle it. Cut with water or almond milk and it's similar caffeine level as drip, drink it straight and it's a jittery nightmare.

>>57058858
Done it a few times, I filtered that with cheese cloth lol. Pretty good straight with some sweet nut syrup.

>>57058858
>Who /cold brew/ here?
I like how 90% of posts on 4chan are just asking for proof that we're not alone.

>>57041828
Worthless hipsters and weeb neets

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When you enjoy espresso and have better things to do than play barista cuck.

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I don't really care about coffee, but what do you guys do about water? monthly delivery from nestle? reverse osmosis? mavea filters? zerowater?

>>57059033

Distilled. It's the only way to be sure.

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>>57059009
Fucking faggots

Get $5 losers

>>57059033
I have great tap water but I use a Brita pitcher for my coffee

>>57059047

Poor-ista detected.

>>57059033
Tap water comes straight from the dunes, feels good to live in amsterdam.

>>57059047
Nastiest coffee you can get desu

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>>57059056
>He makes his own coffee

>>57058799
> In that case I've been doing it wrong.
What have you been doing?!

>>57059033
>what do you guys do about water
Reverse osmosis water filter connected to water mains.
You don't drink tap water in my country so water filters are pretty common.

>>57059082
>shitting on making coffee
You're in the wrong thread.

>>57059087
pressing the french press pretty hard kek
tho I only done it like 3 times, I usually just do bialetti
>>57059082
This thread is about making your own coffee, you can fuck off if you don't like it.

>>57059041

I thought distilled was bad for the machines and the lack of minerals made it taste weird

Anyone here have a hand-pulled lever espresso machine? Should be cheaper than an automatic and just as good if you do it well (or so I've heard).

>>57059112
>pressing the french press pretty hard kek
>tho I only done it like 3 times, I usually just do bialetti
Yeah, be careful with that. You can shatter the beaker, have it slip off the counter, etc., and you're not making better coffee by using a lot of force. I think there's a trick to dealing with a press that requires too much pressure, but I don't remember offhand what it is.

>>57059127
I don't, but I understand it takes a shitload of practice to get good at it.

>>57059121
Distilled is best for machines as it produces no scaling. Mineralised tap water increases corrosion.

Anyone that says otherwise is a hipster faggot who is parroting what the jew manufacturers tell them because they know distilled water prolongs the life of the machine and reduces the need for expensive spare parts.

>>57059225
Literally every mfr tells you to use distilled water, or regularly clean it to remove scaling.

>>57059237
That's not the case in my experience.

>>57059237
https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/blog/2012/04/06/the-lowdown-on-distilled-water/

Check out these jew queers and complete disdain for science for example.

>>57059294
Okay, but that's a vendor. Have you really seen any manufacturers say this?
Also,
> jews jews jews
You sound like a moron with this.

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>>57058858

>>57042052
15

>>57041646
How do they put the wooden thing around the glass?
Looks like a semi-circle shape to me.
Do they put it in boiling water to soften it so it's flexible, then let it harden around the glass?
Do they blow the glass directly inside the wood somehow without burning it?

Or it's simply two pieces just tied with the string?

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>>57059515
Nvm I looked it up and it's two pieces.

>>57042540
Best to cook it before, so it doesnt have to be on the stove as long and burn your grounds.

>>57057751
i haven't tried the chemex but i'm interested

what makes it better than the french press?

>>57060501
It's easier

>>57060691
What is hard about a French Press? Coarse grind, water temp of your preference, 4 minutes of steep time, press the french press, pour and done.
Cleaning is just rinse out grounds, unscrew filter nut, rinse three filter components and reassemble.
Serves a dual purpose as a way to make piss easy cold brew. Can't do that with a Chemex.

I like my coffee like I like my women, with a nice full body that leaves a good taste in your mouth.

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$2000

>>57041675
I pour them down the regular drain for 4 years. No problems at all. I'm in cheap apt too.

>>57060781
Well if you want to be a nut about French press like me, you got to time it pretty well to avoid over extraction and no two beans have the same timing. For chemex you kind of just pour it in. Also cleaning is two steps, grab filter, throw it in the bin.

>>57060896
>$2000
only 3 bars

>>57050203
wow you typed a lot and got no responses

i didn't read all that but here's your (You)

>>57050203
Yup, this is a quality post. I'm not an espresso guy myself, but this is all solid info from everything I've read and people I've talked to.

>>57057587
>Espresso
>Full cup
>barely any crema

Enjoy your hot brown water you fucking peasant.

An espresso shot should fill half an espresso cup and the crema should be thick enough to float an espresso spoon of sugar for several seconds.

>>57057640

You are much better off finding a local roaster than will custom blend you an espresso roast with ~5-10% washed robusta. Good robusta should be tasteless and only affect the texture of the espresso, and you are much less likely to have garbage foisted off on you be a quality local roaster who knows enough to even carry washed robusta.

>>57059009
>"Espresso"

Lol pleb

>>57059009
might as well get a cuckspresso and a hefty supply of those shitty capsules

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>>57061542
>decaf
garbage.

>>57047927
>Stealing a denny's mug

>>57061389
What makes you say that?

>>57042127
you can get a machine for $80 if you get good deals
so yeah the pods are proprietary, but the coffee will be better than in most restaurants and bars.
it's WELL worth it.
there are knockoff pods, but the only ones I've tried weren't as good.

>>57062597
nespresso is shit

>>57061389
nespresso is for fucking poorfags. a good fully auto is perfectly respectable as it makes real fucking coffee and is not a fucking hot water dispenser for freeze dried shit

>>57063424
>Fully auto
>Good

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>>57063730
>being this poor

Are lever-operated espresso machines the Gentoo of coffee?

>>57063787
depends, how much would a gentoo computer would go for?

>>57063756

Poor? I used to have a San Marco Sprint 1 group and a San Marco E92 grinder you turbopleb.

>>57041812
It's still within safe limits for humans ya dingus

>>57061542
>decaf
Beats water I suppose.
I drink decaf in the evenings when I feel like having coffee but don't want to be up all night.

>>57063909
Used to? Did you get a handle on your autism?

>>57041442

I use some bitchin' beans from Costco (sumatra something) and an Aeropress. Those two things make some fantastic coffee that rivals some shops I've been too. Aero is $30 and the coffee is 17

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