Home Server

The laptop.
raspi is complete shit for data transfer because USB and networking happen over the same bus.

>>57038673
>wanting a server to be as weak as possible
Fucking neither?

Get a used Dell Poweredge from Ebay for like $30.

>>57038702
I sure hope you're not paying your electric bill.

>>57038702
> Dell PowerEdge for 30USD
This has to be freaking old. Did you think about power consumption? There are people who have to pay their bills themselves.

What's the point of a home server if it's gonna be a box of crackers? You're literally better off just using your desktop for any of its purpose in such a case

>>57038719
It uses less power than my desktop does.

>>57038732
Not really. They're cheap because there's so many and businesses don't care about getting a good deal, they just pawn them off to upgrade to newer shit

>>57038719
>>57038732
Most servers only have 300W PSUs tops. Any gaymen machine will pull way more power.

The reason power is a concern is because generally companies run hundreds of servers, not one

>>57038719
>>57038732
Yes wow what a concept servers need electricity and put out a lot of heat.

>>57038738
I'm looking to run one more for the learning experience, and possibly host a few things. I just need to know what's the best cheap and effective hardware to work with.
>>57038702
I just looked some up. Would any these two be good candidates?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-Poweredge-Model-SMU-Server-w-DVD-3-5-Floppy-Rack-Mount-Tested-Very-Clean-/311658218980?hash=item48904705e4:g:TfMAAOSw6WdXiqSZ

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Poweredge-1950-Server-Quad-Core-2-0Ghz-X-2-/112148580268?hash=item1a1c9387ac:g:4e4AAOSwmLlX5Zw7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j-u7B5nzAk

that

>>57038780
Use the Atom laptop.

>>57038686
Does that happen too in RPi 3? I heard it had wifi integrated, dunno if that is relevant or even related to sharing a bus.

>>57038800
the laptop would actually cost around $60 because Ill be purchasing from a friend.
This would be the better alternative over the used Dells?

Pi Model 3 is the minimum I would want for a server.

I have an old atom netbook running as my anime server and Hentai@Home node.
The battery means no loss of uptime, even during power outages.
260 days uptime and running!

>>57038809
All USB.

RPis are absolute crap for servers. Reason why I got a BPi.

>>57038780
The 1950 is more powerful by a lot

But, either will blow away the two in the OP

If you were gonna max any of these servers out to even get the max power draw, you would have been hosed on an atom or Rpi anyhow

>>57038822
No. Just get a cheap piece of shit off ebay that will take 8GB of RAM (at least) and hold 4 (at least) HDD. Many motherboards have built in RAID support which would be a bonus too.

>>57038780
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Poweredge-1950-Server-Quad-Core-2-0Ghz-X-2-/112148580268?hash=item1a1c9387ac:g:4e4AAOSwmLlX5Zw7
>photo shows windows product key
kek

>>57038776

You idiot.

You take the wattage from the PSU and divide it by 1,000

Then you take that number and multiply it by your cost per kilowatt-hour from your power company (I average around $0.13 per kWh). That is how much it would theoretically cost to run your server for one hour. Multiply that by 720 and you get an approximate cost to operate it for an entire month.

Hint: It won't be more than a couple bucks. Power is actually cheap as fuck, it's things like water heaters and fridges and laundry machines and heaters that crank your bill up, not PCs.

>>57038885
And even then you don't gotta run it 24/7 if you aren't gonna be using it.

Only real downside to getting a rack unit is that some are loud as unholy fuck. Unfortunately there's really no way to know until you get one. But, you can just unhook some of the fans or get quieter ones probably

What would you even use them for as a server?

>>57038853
Any specific models to look out for?
I'm fairly new to this and I'm not sure what is a "good deal" for this kind of thing

>>57038922
I'm looking to host game servers or low traffic webpages and I'm not sure if the two require two different specifications for those respective tasks..

>>57038954
Haha. Yeah. You need a real fucking computer to do those.

>>57038885
>he thinks computers actually use what the PSU is rated for
>calls mean an idiot
Teach me more genius.

>>57038927
Good processor, at least a Xeon, many cores, many RAMs, many spots for drives

Really doesn't matter. They're gonna be so far ahead of what you put in the OP that it doesn't matter.

>>57038954
Just rent a VPS.
The yearly cost will be less than the electric bill of your dumbass server rack.
The lack of background noise is worth it.

Also, most VPS providers have faster internet uplinks than you do.

>>57038822
>the laptop would actually cost around $60 because Ill be purchasing from a friend.
>This would be the better alternative over the used Dells?

That really depends on what you want to do with your server. If you just want a file server, then the laptop would probably be the best in terms of power draw and noise but if you want to use virtualization, run a SAN or have a large NAS then a used dell Poweredge, Powervault or equivalent from another company would be better.
And if you're thinking of buying a 1U unit be prepared for a lot of noise.

>>57038840
You say this like it's a huge revelation.

While most servers run on UPS systems.

>>57038983
How does this hold up?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-R300-Server-Quad-Core-Xeon-X3323-2-50GHz-16GB-/331991115766?hash=item4d4c3667f6:g:Qp0AAOSwYIxX9Rmn

Search for on eBay for a Dell c1100. Some have dual L series xeons that sip power and come with 72gb of RAM

>>57038673
Had this issue for a long time lad.

Intel atom laptop will definitely be faster, but the Raspberry Pi 3 is plenty fast for hosting a website for example. The raspberry pi has less software because it is running ARM linux, and whatever distro you use will have less packages.

>>57039006
Not to mention many server xeons are cheap as fuck due to just how much surplus there is.

You can get some Xeon CPUs for just $10

I picked up an old server the other day. Xeon 3075 with 4GB of RAM and two 80GB drives in a RAID array.

Pretty old, but with some upgrades it'll do fairly nicely. Might turn into a minecraft server as well as file backup

>>57038927
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-PRECISION-T3400-WORKSTATION-CORE-2-DUO-2-33HZ-8GB-2TB-HDD-WIN-7-PRO/301967807198?_trksid=p2045573.c100643.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160706105314%26meid%3Dba5691ae32524c07be8a52abc00256ff%26pid%3D100643%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26

You don't use wifi on servers either. Just plug it into your router and port forward what you need.

>>57039005
Looks decent
But keep in mind that those things are fuck-huge and loud.

Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, you can build acomplete, low-powered AM1 server for less than $200.

>>57038909
>loud
You can always cool them with water, but mine hasn't been working recently.

>>57038861
>pixelated

>>57039112
Personally, I would see if you could get one of thos stand-up. desktop-esque ones--they seem like they have the flexibility for that sort of thing, and are a more convenient form factor if you're not throwing them in a rack.

>>57039080
AM1 boards only have 2 SATA connectors without having to use an additional SATA controller. They're also pretty damn slow.

>>57039129
4th photo in the set, faggot.

If you can't read that then it's your own cones and corneas that are fucked.

> Get ahold of old server to dick around on
> Board only has VGA out
> Integrated GPU is so old the drivers for it won't work in Windows 7 or 10
> Stuck having to track down the cheapest GPU I can find that will have an HDMI port

I'm gonna have to spend like $40 on some bullshit GT 710 or R5 220 or something. Life is suffering.

>>57039179
1) Do a network install
2) Clone drives
3) What shitty monitor do you have that has no VGA input in addition to DVI ot HDMI?

>>57038954
You can host a low traffic web page on anything. To run a gameserver you need a decent computer. Unless it's just for your lan, you need to check your upstream bandwidth. PS: It's usually shit.

>>57039275
For games should I use a tower or a rack?
Or is it largely based on preference?

>>57039237

I have a monitor that has DVI in and a VGA to DVI cable, but VGA looks like fuzzy trash.

Also, I need a newer GPU so I'm not stuck viewing everything at 1024x768

>>57038673
Depends on what you are doing.

>>57039144
>They're also pretty damn slow.
Depends on what you're doing with them. I had an Athlon 5370 build that I used as a file server/media player for three devices. It worked perfectly fine, almost as fast as a laptop i3-5200U.

>>57038673
what's the use of a home server? add an extra layer of protection for important shit?

i have been wanting to set up my own home server to store my porn for generations.

>>57039599
I use mine as a router, a NAS/media player, and a seedbox/sandbox.
The Atom C2558 is my router, a Xeon-D1520 is my NAS/media player, and a i7-6700T for my seedbox/sandbox.

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Anyone can identify what this enclosure is ? external hdd, router ? any similar ideas/pics ?

>>57039688
That looks like the older WD MyBook model, an external hard drive made back when USB2.0 was considered "fast".

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>>57039754
thx m8,
i'm looking for something to put the raspi + external PSU like pic related

>>57038982
that's your rebuttal?
he took the worst case scenario and pointed out that it's not that big of a deal, and your rebuttal is, it's actually not as bad as that even?

>>57038719
Wow a whopping $2/month in electricity!

>>57039179

Why the fuck does your server need good graphics? Why isn't it running headless with you ssh'ing into it? Why the fuck do you even have a server if you are gonna use it like a regular old desktop?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Depending on your usage an off the shelf NAS might be a better solution. Alternatively there are dedicated cases for the purposes of being a small home server which are ultimately far more capable and expandable.

>>57039688
Older 3.5" WD MyBook. Still use one to this day. Fun fact: there is a morse message encoded in the case.

>>57040445
thx, i will look for something like that.

>>57038673
Some chink CeleronN3150 nettop or pentiumG4400 mini atx

>>57040090
That's my rebuttal to (you) calling me an idiot for pointing out that servers need electricity then spouting out retarded shit as if (you) even know what you're talking about. You'll need to toss in AC costs when your room turns into an oven.

>>57039316
Rack fans are smaller and higher rpm. Unless you have an isolated room for it or don't mind the high pitched whirr, better a tower.

>>57038840

your server a shit

come back when you have a longer uptime junior

>07:25:43 up 425 days, 13:03, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.05

>>57041507
>I never apply security patches

I just purchased an orange pi for $12
How did I do jee?

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>>57038673
Did rPi finally implement USB 3.0? I haven't checked in a while.

>>57042883
> he runs an OS that requires a full restart instead of just restarting the updated component
> laughingkids.jpg

Hey OP I was in your situation a while ago. Decided that x86 would wipe the floor with ARM so I went with this: http://www.asrock.com/mb/intel/q1900b-itx/

>>57042883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbABy9ul11I

>>57042978
unless you're doing some fancy ksplice shit (protip: you aren't) every kernel patch needs a reboot.

Picked up a r710 38gb ram 2 Xeons and 6hd cages last week. $200 senpai

>>57038776
Heads up: Power consumption for a RPi running 24/7 is a lot less than a Dell Poweredge

>>57039151
>cones and corneas
>corneas
>Plural

>>57042955
Ofc no
Rpi is pure shit with ethernet and wifi being hooked to one USB hub. And bandwidth of this entire shitty system is something like 20-30 mbit
Say goodbye to all your usb devices under ethernet load
Rpi is only good for learning, better take ODROID C2 is for real use
sorry for bad english, i'm pajeet from russia

>>57043241
Do you only have one eye?

>>57043241
What, you only have one eye?

>>57038719
if you're idle then you're not actually pulling the wattage of your PSU...

yes like $2/mo

>>57038673
>pi
>server
>ethernet controller that's connected to the CPU via usb 2.0

Also don't forget that the usb ports and the NIC share bandwith

>>57043581
>>57043590
Fuggg I'm retarded

>>57038673
AWS

>>57043627
You can still use it as a DHCP, DNS, or OpenVPN host server

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Something like this should suffice

>>57038780
>Get a used Dell Poweredge from Ebay for like $30.
Do NOT buy any 10th generation Dell servers. Just use your laptop, it'll handle whatever you're doing.

>>57039316
Do you have a rack? Do you want a rack?

No? Then why the fuck would you get a rackmount machine? Buy a fucking T20 or TS140 or whatever.

>>57044450
>OpenVPN
>over a usb connected NIC

It would be very painful. Memeing aside, even the first gen BPI has a proper gigabit NIC

>>57044450
>OpenVPN
>no AES acceleration
no.

>>57045450
What about a Rangely Atom C2358? That has a dedicated AES engine built into the SoC.

>>57045508
Sure.

>>57045620
You got $250 for a C2358 motherboard?

>>57045637
I don't want one.

i want to use no-ip.com to ssh into my raspberry pi, i've forwarded the ports, but when i try to log in with myusername.hopto.com my password doesn't get accepted. tried changing it too...I think since i get a prompt [email protected] I'm almost there ? do I have to look for some secret setting disabling ssh from outside the subnet ?

thx

>>57040694
>You'll need to toss in AC costs when your room turns into an oven

It's October, dumbass.

>>57038847
>RPis are absolute crap.

FTFY

>>57046360
>he bought one without a purpose for it

>>57038840
If the laptop is closed does it still run the server?

http://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_298397.html
can this tablet be a home server for light applications?

>>57038987
How easy would it be for me to host a Minecraft, and TeamSpeak server on a VPS?

>>57047218

Piss easy.

There are companies that rent servers specifically for Minecraft and Teamspeak.

>>57047535
Yea but it would be cheaper to get a VPS for a few bucks a month and do the rest. I can do Minecraft, and TeamSpeak with one VPS.

>>57046781
Sure.

>>57045348
Jeez you're an insufferable faggot.

A Raspberry Pi 2 can push about 10 MB/s max, which is also about the limit of 100 Mbit Ethernet. If you want to go faster, make sure that Intel Atom and your router have Gigabit Ethernet (and your PC).

>>57048997
10MBps is 80Mbps.

>>57049211
wow you can count you fucking autist.
as anon said, it is ABOUT the limit. i.e. roughly or circa. and he is right in saying so.

Most 100 Mbit lines do not cap the limit constantly anyway, as far as I experienced it.

>>57049289
>as anon said, it is ABOUT the limit. i.e. roughly or circa. and he is right in saying so.
It's literally 20% less, that's pretty far away, nigga.
>Most 100 Mbit lines do not cap the limit constantly anyway, as far as I experienced it.
I don't know what you mean by this. We aren't talking about WAN.

>>57038832
they don't have a model 3 you fucking idiot.

It goes Raspberry Pi (model) (revision). He's obviously referring to the latest one, Raspi B(or B+) 3.

>>57046613
You can disable sleep on lid-close.
It's a systemd .conf option, I think.

RasPI's are trendy and all but they're still slow as shit. I'd pick a proper x86 machine over it any day. Atoms are pretty power-effecient too.

>>57051311
Do you run Linux server or windows server?

>>57051435
does windows have systemd?

>>57051459
Noo anon

>>57038673
I'd recommend picking up a cheap Atom board secondhand: such as the Foxconn D270S.

>>57046318
You goofed on dns

>>57038673
Save 250 bucks and get a Dell Poweredge T20 in Xeon configuration and some extra RAM.
Shit is small, quiet, cheap and powerful enough for home requirements.

I'm running Proxmox with various VMs at this point: FreeNAS, DNS, game servers, media streaming, home automation, content acquisition.
Doesn't break a sweat. I might just buy another one and create a cluster for redundancy.

Used a Pi and a Synology NAS before but quickly grew out of them. You really need some computing power to have fun aka get a real server poorfag.

>>57047218
TeamSpeak is easy as fuck, wget, unzip and run the startscript.
I don't know about minecraft, but since it's pretty popular there's probably loads of tutorials.

>>57038673
An FX 8300 is a good place to start

>>57051582
What else can I do with a VPS?

Iv got a poweredge 750 that i want to use but the fucking thing is so loud i cant stand it.

is there any way i can shut this thing the fuck up?

>>57052006
Yea, you can throw it in the trash.

Get one of these next time they go on sale for 300.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5YV4T93071

>>57038822
that's dumb. just get an off lease sandybridge or ivy bridge SFF desktop like a dell optiplex 990. these routinely get dumped on kijiji or craiglist for $100-140. powerful enough to run multiple transcode streams on plex or host whatever.

>>57038686
It's not even because they're on the same bus. If it were USB 3.0, no one would give a shit.
Instead, it's a shared bus AND USB 2.0, which is fucking garbage.

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I have a pi3 with plex on it that I use for a media server. I've streamed terabytes through that bitch with no problems. Multiple tv's watching different streams. Even transcodes shit fine. I'm happy with it for 30$.

That's probably all the power it has though, wouldn't try using it for anything more intensive than that. I guess if I wanted more I have a bunch of old laptops I could use but they'd prolly catch fire eventually jammed behind my TV.

>>57051551
yeah kinda, i was using .com instead of .org,

everything ok nao

>>57049211
Plus overhead. I assumed OP will be using Samba. FTP or netcat should get you closer to 12 MB/s.

>>57038673
Funny you meantion that, because I just got my pi today.

So far, it seems fairly stable, although I don't need it for data transfer. The pi I have has 32gb, and since it's sd, it should be somewhat decent. You're problem would mainly be buffer time.

>>57043090
Raspberry Pi an educational tool for children. It doesn't even have 1GbE or a SATA controller. $2USD a month would also work out to about 20 watts at the wall. My hard drives use twice that alone. You guys need to learn 2 math.

>>57054357
what are you gonna use it for ?

btw, decent/best no-ip alternatives ? no-ip has to be confirmed/re-activated every30 days.

>Set up Plex
>Only use is a NAS for music/animu

I wonder if I'm missing a key function that makes the investment worth it.

>>57054374
heres an alternative to no-ip
GET A FUCKING STATIC IP YOU RETARD

>>57038673
Hp microserver g8

>>57038686
you still get 50Mb/s

Stop being faggots it's good enough for anything you're running just for yourself

>>57038861
It's server 2003 why would anyone still want to use that shit?

>>57054433
thanks i will consider it, friend

>>57038732
Can confirm on electricity, I ran mine for month straight (kept my closet nice, and warm) and my roommates didn't even ask about the spike in electricity.

>>57043090
Heads up: RPi ethernet and USB use the same bus. Performance will hinder.

>>57054466
These are awesome, you can find an iLO key by googling it, CPU is not that fast for server tasks but enough for basic stuff.
I run FreeNAS + Nextcloud on mine.

>>57054374
afraid.org

Get a core 2 duo laptop at least. Atoms are not any cheaper and are shit.

>>57038673
What about a Banana Pi? It's more expensive than a Raspberry Pi, but it has a SATA and more RAM.

>>57038673
what do you plan to use this for? the stuff you listed as options is so weak it won't be useful for much, desu. get at least a pc with 2nd gen i3.

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Got an Intel NUC the other day, I wouldn't have bought it if it weren't for the fact it was an i3 6100U with 8Gb ram for a mere $150 which I haggled the kid and got it for $130. Apparently the idiot bought it for gaming but iGPU wasn't enough for his meme games and so he saved up more money and he just needed $150 more to get his 'dream gaming machine' so that's where I swooped in, and undercut him.

Gonna turn it into a NAS and streaming box.

>>57055005
nice story
great price

those NUC cost more than jew gold to buy new.

>>57038673

Dell Poweredge T20 is usually the cheapest. Go for the Xenon one.

how about the noise of Dell server for home server?
it's not confy

>>57054480
I don't know, sounds like it couldn't handle tormenting while streaming another movie.

>>57055062
>Xenon
It's this nigga again...

>>57038673
If you already have a netbook or something that you aren't using, I'd just go with that. I have Samsung N210(?) and it's pretty good as a server. Haven't had any issues.

get an odroid with gigabit ethernet and usb3

>>57054370
USB 3.0 to RJ45 on my RP 3, I can get almost 400 Mbps on it :P
-USB 2.0 can handle 480Mbps(not quite possible yet with that weak hardware)

Netgate RCC-VE 2440
2 core Intel Atom C2358 CPU, 1.7 GHz
4 GB DDR3L Non ECC Memory on board
8 GB eMMC flash on board
4x RJ-45 1 GbE Intel Ethernet ports, Intel i350 (i354 on-die)
1 mini-SATA (mSATA) connector
1 SATA II connector
2x full length mPCIe slots, one with micro-SIM. Also supports half length cards.
2x USB 2.0 Host ports
1 Mini-USB Serial Console Port

hardware firewall & enough grunt to run other things.... torrents, newsgroups, proxy

>>57043579
>He doesnt fully use 480Mbps of the bus :^)