Explain to me again what's so bad about having secure law

Nothing. It's a great idea and given the current political outlook it's only a matter of time until it happens. It should help us fight terrorism and child pornography.

>>57026771
FPBP

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>>57026762
>secure backdoors
>secure
>backdoors
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>57026762

you have nothing you are legally allowed to hide, citizen

therefore you will never know fear

consume

obey

consume

obey

>>57026771
>It should help us fight terrorism
So how did the backdoors help with Paris attack?

>>57026816
Not all attacks can be prevented, but even if one can, it's a victory.

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>>57026762
If there is a backdoor.
It's not secure.

That's just common sense.

>>57026825
>Let's fucking remove all civil rights from all the civilians to protect them!

Next thing you're going to say is that we should herd everyone into pens and neuter and castrate everyone and keep feeding them like hogs.

The same reason banning firearms does not work. A criminal does not care if is prohibited. And unlike guns encryption isn't even material, therefore enforcement is absolutely impossible. That's like banning world hunger.

>>57026830
I love how encryptards say that but then they go ahead and trust certificate authorities. Cognitive disonance much?

>>57026762
>secure law enforcement-only asymmetric backdoors
>secure backdoors

except they're not. if there's a backdoor, someone WILL find and exploit it.

also, it's just a bad tradeoff. i'd rather have a few terrorist attacks every year and working encryption than no terrorist attacks and no working encryption.

>>57026853

>The same reason banning firearms does not work.

I'm pro-encryption, but that's debatable as fuck.

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>>57026762
The upper classes control police. Law enforcement is used to harm innocent people everyday.

Also anytime you introduce a "back door" it's a vulnerability that criminals can and will use to harm the public.

Explain to me why you trust and want absolute power for the upper classes?

There is a difference between respect and trust.

>>57026840
>fucking remove all civil rights
No civil rights are on the line here, the secure backdoors are only meant to be used with a warrant. The 4th amendment stays intact.

>>57026861
>someone WILL find and exploit it
Stop spreading that myth, people who don't know cryptography and don't know what asymmetric backdoors are will end up believing it.

>>57026856
what?

mitm =!= backdoor

>>57026881
/thread

>>57026825
Yes! Give up your rights for safety... You know what? We should also give up our rights to own firearms, the military and police can take them and use them to protect us!
>inb4 not equivalent
Oh yeah?
>Government takes right to privacy for safety.
>government takes right to bear arms for safety.

Pls explain. And if you agree then what we should do is just lay on the ground and wait for orders from the government. It seems you believe that humans can't be trusted to male there own decisions. Which is interesting because the humans that you seem to believe can't make a decision, voted the representatives that are supposed to be trusted into power.

NEVER give up liberties.

>>57026825
>but even if one can, it's a victory.

Great idea!

I propose that we lock every human being in a small windowless cell. There. I just prevented every future attack ever.

>>57026825
>but even if one can
So what attack was prevented due to backdoors? Benghazi?

>>57026771
You mean freedom fighters and horny teenagers? Do you hate everybody's freedom?

>>57026856
>it's that same autist again
Jesus fuck if you don't want to put a locker in your devices then fucking don't, why the fuck do you have to bitch and moan about it, NEET?

>>57026762
Backdoor advocates uses the same arguments Stasi supporters did back in the days in east germany.
Next time don't skip those history classes faget.

>>57026889
Lol, tell me, who the hell are you? Hahaha.
No one who works on the math side (not implementation) will tell you a backdoor won't work.

Anti crypto shill???

>>57026881
>encryptards are edgy anarchists
Why am I not surprised?

>>57026891
It might not be the same, but it's pretty much a trust issue either way.

>>57026894
You ALREADY have no right to privacy if the police has a warrant.

>>57026905
Nice strawman. I see the only way encryptards can attempt to make any sense is by extremely misrepresenting their opponents' ideas.

>>57026927
Get this through your thick skull: the state ALREADY has the right to break through your lockers if you give them probable cause.

>>57026889
>Just set your MOTD to "it's illegal to be here if you're not permitted" - you don't need to password protect your stuff dude.

kek

>>57026948

>more strawmen

Encryptards are pathetic.

>>57026940
This fucking guy. Every day
>/g/ why do you hate asymetric backdoor? I'm a fucking poodle fart.
/G/ doesn't like them, because anyone who knows anything about crypto understands, even IF the authorities weren't going to abuse the power, it won't work.

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>>57026940
What makes you think I'm an anarchist?

>>57026957
You're talking to literal shills. They're getting paid either by some radical Muslim organization or by some pederasty advocacy group.

>>57026940
Why the flying fuck should I give a hint of shit about burgercuckland?

>>57026940
>It might not be the same, but it's pretty much a trust issue either way.

Why pretend like it is then?

Anyways, who should have access to these backdoors?

>>57026762
The second somebody steals one of those keys, and they will, it would be one of the most valuable things on the planet, we're all fucked.

>XxXopensslXxX-1.0.2-[CRACKED][PATCHED][NOBACKDOOR].tar.xz soon

Because law enformecent aren't "the good guys", edgy as it sounds.

>>57026940
Even if you were right, which you aren't, why the fuck do you keep making the exact fucking thread every fucking day of the week?

Like don't you have a life or anything?

>>57026957
>encryptards
>encryptards
>encryptards
>encryptards
You know what? I think I see a pattern here...
>don't know what I'm saying
>better call someone an encryptard
>aha now I feel better


Lololololololololol
>nice strawman encryptard
Lololololololololol


Get clam dipped you fuckin normie scum

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>>57026988
lold

>>57026988
>he's still using openssl
If you haven't migrated to LibreSSL yet, then you already have the backdoors and you don't even know it, fucktard.

>>57026856
What? What are you even goin on about m8?

>>57026889

That doesn't work.
And even then you're accessing Private Property without the consent of people so that pretty much throws your "4th amendment" out the window.

>>57026825
Terrorism is about as dangerous as lightning. You've fallen for the bait. The whole point of terrorism is turn governments on their citizens like this.

>>57027003
>And even then you're accessing Private Property without the consent of people so that pretty much throws your "4th amendment" out the window.
Warrants don't depend on your consent. Your argument would never hold up in a court of law.

>>57026940
You don't need to be an anarchist to acknowledge that certain levels of society have more power than is reasonable and receive special treatment.

>>57026762
Explain to me how it's possible to have a secure backdoor

I like how this faggot ignore every post he doesn't know how to reply to.

>>57026962
Whoa, Encryptard IDF out in full force today!

>>57026762
Just because the police are supposed to up-hold the law and help people doesn't mean they won't use your information for their own personal gain and/or against you also most of them are fucked up in the head and dumb-assess

>>57026762
Aside from everything else, is this even possible? Do we have a public key/private key/master key encryption system?

>>57026762
How are you going to un-discover all the other encryption algorithms without this backdoor built in?

>>57026771
The two things that will never go away and will come back stronger every time they get exposed and shutdown

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>It's another OP getting thoroughly BTFO episode

>>57026816
>>57026908
BTFO count: 1
>>57026891
BTFO count: 2
>>57026927
BTFO count: 3
>>57026979
BTFO count: 4

>>57026987
Good post

>>57027052

>g-guys this is a fight we can't win we should just give up, o-ok?

Holy shit, encryptards aren't even trying to hide they support terrorists and child pornographers anymore!

>>57027032
>encryptard

>Mather yar, how will I continue to rrrrrol in the rrrupees if I can't make an argument?
>ah yes, I know!
>encryptard I will fuck your whole family

>.25 rupees have been deposited into your account.

>>57027063
You do realize you are not convincing anyone with your weak arguments, do you?

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>>57027063
I'm going to be very disappointed if anyone replies to this.

>>57027063

Why don't you answer this post >>57027025

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>>57027058
Nice confirmation bias, none of those posts contain arguments though.
>$1 has just been deposited int your account by NAMBLA

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>>57027025
>secure backdoor
It is not possible

>>57027083
Sure.

>>57027025
http://www.cryptovirology.com/cryptovfiles/newbook/Chapter10.pdf
>literally 10 seconds on Google

>>57026889
Do you really trust the government to keep the private key of a backdoor secret?

The same government that allowed photographs of all TSA Masterkeys to be published and then came out saying that they don't give a fuck that their backdoor has been compromised?

>>57027063
>Holy shit guys, this is a fight. And just like any fight, we should give up our rights and rely on a backdoor in a technology that won't allow it.
>we will call it secure and our enemies will use it against us, but in the process we will have also given governments the ability to expand there control over the citizenry.
>encryptards
>encryptards
>encryptards

Get btfo desu senpai.

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>>57027087
>bias
lmfao take a look at this faggot trying to control his damage kek

>>57027087
ON DAMAGE CONTROL

>>57027114
>if I keep posting it, everyone will believe it, it's not like anyone can just read the thread!
You sound increasingly nervous.

>>57027112
It's just weak bait, no one in their right mind would allow banning encryption, that's like banning locks.

>>57027114
>>57027125

Nice samefagging, you nigger.

>>57027112

>give up our rights
What rights? The police ALREADY can search you if they have a warrant. Nothing will change unless you're a criminal.

>>57026762
>>57026771
Working hard today, Shlomo?

>>57027139 (OP)
>>57027127 (Samefag)
hahaha talk about mental gymnastics see >>57027112
>>57027073
>>57026997
You sound increasingly nervous.

>>57026762
Why doesn't the government take a leaf from it's own book and remember
> What you don't know can't hurt you
a la the whole mass surveillance state

>>57027139
You're stupid. The police instead of relaying on black doors(which is a bad idea in itself) , can use "analogical" force, if you know what I mean.

Just fuck off.

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>secure backdoors
Why the fuck should I allow """"secure"""" backdoors for burgers such as yourself, OP?

>"/pol/acks" before 2013
>jews love cryptography so we should ban this
>if don't have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear
>/pol/acks after 2013
>jews hate cryptography so we support ban this
>we wuz 1337, /g/

>/pol/akcs now
>jews love cryptography so we should ban this
>if don't have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear

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>>57027194
>you now

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>>57027212
Try again, pol.

>>57027102
That does not prove anything, it makes me think that the theoretic Idea of an "Asymmetric backdoor" is even less possible than I thought

Also posting random google links just tells me you have no idea how to prove that a "secure asymmetric back door" is possible, probably because it is not possible.

Also, I'd like to point out that the terrorist plots are stopped, and police are bringing people that harm children to justice all the time even though encryption is widely available.

>>57027266

/pol/ never wonders why it's despised. It's because you're the boogeyman of the week, you race mixing jewish cuck mod black catholic feminist mootkin.

>>57027042

No, they'd basically say that if you get stop-and-frisked, and are found with any AES or other properly encrypted content like a phone or any laptop made in the last 10 years, (Why arent you using the 2016 Apple GoodCitizenBook? That's suspicious in and of itself), you would be arrested outright because you would be in violation of circumventing the law.

They'd release new backdoored algorithms and basically say that if you're writing encryption software and making it available to US citizens, you can not provide classical encryption algorithms and MUST only provide the ones specified by the law. That's the only way they could do this.

>>57027350
>boogeyman
Try again. The /pol/ is 5th column of normalfags/feds here.

>>57027157
I'm crazy nervous.
So nervous.
They call me the nervous cat of nervous Street.
Omg I'm so nervous.

>>57027139
Lololol
>I have no argument.....
>NIGGER

Wew lad. This is the type of person that wants a backdoor folks.

It's not even relevant since it's going to be impossible to outlaw encryption

>>57027510
Learn to use sage faggot. Let it die off, eventually OP will loose motivation to make the same thread ever day of the week

>>57026762
Of course, let's let law enforcement agencies probe our minds and thoughts in the future and control our every move. It's not like they'd abuse that power :^).
Do you think people are perfect? How the hell would you fight a corrupt government if you give them totalitarian control over everything? Do you want to be a sheep, cuck?

>>57027512

Maybe impossible to completely outlaw, but they surely can make our lives miserable...

http://pld.cs.luc.edu/courses/ethics/sum16/mnotes/speech.html#encryption

>>57027525
Sry dad

>>57027189
this. Fuck Burgers and their """security"""

>>57027609
is "burger" seriously the best mean-spirited nickname you guys can come up with?

is there lead in your guys' water or something? that's the meekest insult in the world

>>57027542
>using the smiley with a carat nose

>>57027621
It's the equivalent of bong, it's not supposed to be insulting, just a short nickname

>>57026762
>Explain to me again what's so bad about having secure law enforcement-only asymmetric backdoors in our day-to-day civilian encryption, /g/.

Humans run governments, and humans are extremely fallible and prone to a number of ideological extremes. There's no reason to trust anyone with transparency of all your personal data, especially when there's no transparency in what the government itself is doing. Extortion and political imprisonment are very much realities.

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>>57026762
FUCK YOU NSA

FUCK YOUR CORRUPT ORGANIZATION AND YOUR POLITICAL PERSECUTION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49vZhQlAEyk

>>57026762
Someone in goverment can sell the keys to third parties(a.k.a. really terrorism or extremist groups).

>>57026777

Trips of truth.

>>57026762
There should be no backdoors in encryption. It's too big a risk in my opinion. I would rather give them my password than comprise everyones encryption.

>>57026762
>no-one has ever hacked the US government ever

>>57028166

How's that relevant?

>>57026762
>secure law enforcement-only
Such a thing does not exist, nor is there any 100% certain way to build this technology. Even if you fully trust whatever security agency has access to the backdoor, there is no way to insure that the backdoor is completely secure against illegal access (i.e. hacking).

I shouldn't be treated like a terrorist if I'm a law abiding citizen.

It's nobody's business invading my privacy as long as I am innocent.

>>57028935

What are you trying to hide, anon?

>china sets up a server farm with a gorillion gpus and uses it to bruteforce the asymmetric backdoor keys.
sounds good to me (crying with tears of joy) (ok sign)

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Children are precious!

Especially ones from single moms.

>>57026762
because only cucks will be using it, in other words nothing wrong with it

>>57032313
“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”

― Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

>>57026762
Kill yourself, cuck.

>>57027542
>>57032347
>>57032356
>le cucc meem XDDDDD
>>>/pol/

>>57028935

Cops are professional bullies.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-officers-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/

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>>57032453
>roasties getting what they deserve
How is this a bad thing?

>>57026762
>Explain to me again what's so bad about having secure law enforcement-only asymmetric backdoors in our day-to-day civilian encryption, /g/.
because it's none of their god damned business you fucking retarded faggot

>>57026762
http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mcafee-nsa-back-door-gives-every-us-secret-to-enemies-2016-2

>>57026762
Nothing gets through my backdoors. My backdoor has a sign on it saying, No Entry exit only. I dont do gay

>>57032375
>cuck detected
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/tumblr/

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>I actually need military-grade encryption to shop online and to upload naked pictures of my wife to dropbox

encryptards, pls

>>57026762
>Explain to me again what's so bad about having secure law enforcement-only asymmetric backdoors in our day-to-day civilian encryption, /g/.
because secure and backdoor are mutually exclusive. anyone pro backdoor clearly has no idea what the actual fuck they are talking about.

>Explain to me again what's so bad about having secure law enforcement-only asymmetric backdoors in our day-to-day civilian encryption, /g/.

authorities already abuse (and create) vulnerabilities to collect data without warrants or consent. it is illegal. why should anyone believe that they will use such a privilege lawfully?

>>57032641
Good thing it's not called the bill of needs, fucko.

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>>57032661
>read bill of rights
>not a single word about encryption

>>57026762
>backdoors
>secure
Pick one.

Here is the exact reason that government should not have the right to access all areas of your private life. Nobody asked you if you wanted a system of government or not. Nobody asked you if they can impose their system of law enforcement upon you, and since you pose no threat to those who believe they want to subscribe to being ruled by government there is no reason to suspect you are guilty of anything. Having access to all areas of your private life erodes the idea that a person is innocent of all crime until proven guilty. You were born free and you government has no hold over you since it is an accident of birth that you were born into their jurisdiction. They must rule by consent YOUR CONSENT, and if you dont give consent they are wrong to feel that they own you. You are either free, or you arent. If you let government shit on you, you arent free

Because if anyone but me can access my files then they're not secure.

>>57032682
>[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

I don't see any limitations on just how secure you're allowed to be.

>>57026856

>PGP.

>>57032641
Enjoy getting your accounts buttfucked by state sponsored crackers who will unquestionably have the resources to find any backdoor.

Also, enjoy your risky free speech.

>>57032641
You've been trolling with the same shitty meme for weeks now, don't you ever get bored?

>>57032723

agreed

>>57032755

seems like they have some kind of axe to grind with encryption.

>>57032723
>unreasonable
That's the keyword there, kid.

>>57032809

dragnet data collection and surveillance is pretty unreasonable

>>57026889

...this guy has to be working for the government

>>57032809
Can you read? The word "unreasonable" is being applied to searches and seizures, not to security.

>>57032723
You will find laws that say you are at liberty to express yourself providing you do not act in such a way that you threaten democracy and the rule of law. If laws are passed which outlaw certain levels of encryption, or your right to encrypt without the right of law enforcement to know what you have encrypted, then you are still at liberty to encrypt but not to hide the keys from law enforcement

are we actually having this conversation? whether government backdoors are a good thing?

>>57032723

No rights are absolute.

>>57032884

That's precisely what the backdoors would be for, you mouthbreather.

>>57032864
either that or it's Billary fucking clinton

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>>57032864

>>57032888
them trips are god trips - he speaks the truth

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>>57026811

This is the only correct answer

http://pastebin.com/2pYciqYT

A backdoor that can be used by law enforcement can be used by anyone. You cannot under any circumstance assume that the key they use to access the backdoor will not be leaked. Microsoft leaked their own secure boot key on accident. Now imagine an agency that has problems with corruption being in charge of the ability to break all forms of encryption. Do you honestly think they'd be able to keep that secure? They're fucking human. Of course they won't!

There is nothing wrong with our current system of unbreakable encryption.

>>57033090

well, you got the first part correct. openssl is likely full of backdoors.

>>57032914

Right, which is why the constitution allows for searches/seizures with warrants. But otherwise, you have an absolute right to be secure in your property. Don't like it? That's the letter of the law. The only way you can change it is through a constitutional convention, and I don't think you'll get enough senators and congressmen to agree on stripping away our civil rights.

>>57032888
The only restriction on speech in the USA is that you can't directly incite violence. I'd like to hear how you think that's at all equivalent to secure encryption.

>>57032914
>That's precisely what the backdoors would be for, you mouthbreather.

That's like saying everyone should have a copy of their house keys held by the government in case the cops acquire a warrant to search your home. It doesn't fucking work like that. They might have the right to search and seize, but you're not required to bend over and make it as easy for them as possible, or even possible at all in the case of encryption.

>>57033148

Hence why we have multiple SSL implementations. LibreSSL and PolarSSL are free (as in freedom), decent alternatives.

>>57026762
>secure law enforcement-only asymmetric backdoors
They never stay secure.

>>57033199

true. vulnerabilities might have been a better word.

it would be nice if libressl was the defacto standard

>>57033196

>but you're not required to bend over and make it as easy for them as possible, or even possible at all in the case of encryption.

Quite. If you have a safe, you are not required to give them a combination, even if they demand it. It's their job to crack the thing open, even if the process might involve destroying the contents. There should be a court case or two regarding this matter, but I'm a bit lazy to search.

I wonder if the people who support 'secure backdoors' are the same who support blm? Apparently the government and law enforcement agencies can't be trusted to treat certain people fairly, but they can definitely be trusted to do it for all people online or something. I mean, even if you want to argue it's somehow not the same, black people use computers too. What's to say cops don't use the backdoors to frame black men as kiddie diddlers?

>>57033650

that's a little over-the-top. they probably just want an easy way to get whatever information they need, your privacy and security be damned

>>57033694
blm is a little over the top. Cops are probably just trying to assess the situation, your life preserved or otherwise.

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>>57026762
Read this you fuck...

>>57033724

> assess the situation
> persistently broadside digital privacy as we know it

>>57026825
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

I don't see why there is debate in this thread. If you allow backdoors in day-to-day encryption then it makes encryption for everyone weaker.

>>57026762
>law enforcement-only asymmetric backdoors

We need these backdoors because there are people trying to undermine the power of the communist party in China. If we had these backdoors, we could track down and monitor these people. It is a good idea.

>>57026762
Because we have a right to privacy

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>>57026762
>>57026889

>>57026762
Because someone like trump could become president. And he's literally hitler right?

>>57026762
It only takes one bad apple to fuck it for everyone, that's what's wrong with it. Pay someone enough money they'll give you anything you want.

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>>57026762
>>57026771
>>57026889
>>57026940
>>57026957
>>57027063
>>57027087
>>57032641
>>57032682
This is another variant of the "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" meme that keeps floating through /g/. It is disinfo and has been shown to be false time and time again.

If you have encryption that only works some of the time (and for the gov it doesn't) then why bother encrypting at all? The fallacy is that gov. employees are not corruptible, when it's currently very clear that they are VERY corruptible - look at how they have rolled over for WS and not prosecuted.

>>57032641
"military grade"
LMFAO

Well you just showed you have no idea how encryption works. Let me explain to you: 2048 RSA is "pretty strong" as in, not fucking cracking it on today or tomorrow's technology. There's no military grade. There are no trade offs. It's just better. It takes like an extra minute to generate the keys and that's it. You can have it up and running in one click with no expertise. In other words why WOULDN'T you use the best encryption available if it's equally as easy to set up?

>>57026762
Right to privacy, civil sovereignty.

>>57034753
DoJ states AES-256 is required for all secret or higher digital media.
(Why do you think the nsa has been working on it for decades to no success, even with quantum clusters)

>>57026762
>>57026771
if you don't believe in crypto you are the type of person who thinks high level math is magic. what you suggest is literally impossible.

>>57026762
1. It's insanely dangerous. One hack or leak and every cybercriminal everywhere can suddenly decrypt everything they intercept.

2. It's impossible to enforce. As long as people can install software on devices, there will be 3rd party encryption available that doesn't have these backdoors. Arrest devs who make it here and ones in Russia or China will make it instead.

3. It won't help much. Smart criminals will use other encryption that isn't backdoored. And dumb criminals aren't hard enough to catch that it justifies this.

>>57027078
>replies

>>57034753
You still don't get the joke, anon?

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>>57032641
>""""""""military-grade"""""""" encryption
MY SIDES LMAO HEHEHEHEHEHE
gg, normie

>>57026762
>this is the level of effort it takes to shitpost on /g/ in 2016

As a hacker, I'm all for it. Would make things easier.

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>>57027621
Worse, fluoride (lowers iq). Yes, they really do dumb down the population but putting that toxin in the water in the US and a few other fascist dictatorships with an illusion of freedom

>>57035889

if i develop strong encryption, am I a "military grade" computer scientist?

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>>57029726
My private life. It's none of your or the governments business. I am a private citizen. It is called that because my life is, by default, private. Those who work for the government are Public Officials. What they do is our business, not the other way around.

>>57026762
>Explain to me

emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "app-text/explain-3.2-r4"
!!!Problem with ebuild app-text/explain-3.2-r4

>>57026762
>secure law enforcement-only

Because no such thing exists.

It only takes one person to leak or lose a backdoor key, and the security of every single person who used the crypto is compromised.

>>57036137
Can confirm. My IQ dropped 10 points while living in a fluoridated area for a couple of years.

>>57036166
Yes but you are still a pleb for not being nuclear-grade computer scientist

>>57036531

oh shit, what do I have to do so I can put that on my hypothetical business card?

why is this posted everyday?

>>57036583
It's some autistic troll

>>57036546
Develop an encrypted file system that can only be accessed via a combination of eye scan, finger print and 2 phase authenticated secure private passphrase

>>57036619

can't you rig this up with PAM?

>>57036137
>>57036509
Fluoride follows a hormetic u-shaped curve. Too little is bad. Too much is bad.

>>57036631
not until there are secure backdoors in the algorigthm

>>57026762

Search clipper chip and the history of PGP. This has been tried many times in many different ways.

This whole debate has also played out publicly a few different times, sorry you're too young to remember.

Spoiler: the government has been proven wrong again and again.

>>57036646
> secure backdoors

oxymoron

>>57036667
>He doesn't have a secure malware in his files
shiggy

>>57036166

People who call AES and RSA "military grade" are like people who call AR-15s "military style." They're all absolute morons who seem to be under the impression that only the military can be trusted with any technology that is legitimately good. What's next, they start clambering that the Internet is "military class" communications, and that we should all be forced to use phone calls and text messages, lest someone be allowed to express an opinion that could start a revolution?

>>57036682

I hope not. "secure vulnerability" doesn't make sense

>>57036697

even this analogy doesn't make sense. encryption isn't a weapon.

I agree though that the whole "assault rifle" debate is asinine

>>57036724
>He hasn't killed shot himself in the head with secure bullets yet

>>57036736

if you spent less time shilling and more time coding, KDE might not suck as much

>>57036735

Encryption was at one point classified as a weapon, but even if we were to consider it a weapon now, there's the matter of the second amendment.

>>57036762

it's not a weapon. t's a way to talk privately. anyone who describes encryption as "military grade" does not have your interests in mind.

>>57026762
Explain to me again what's so bad about having secure law enforcement-only asymmetric backdoors in our day-to-day bank vaults, doors and locks, OP. The government couldn't just abuse that power, I mean, THE GOVERNMENT would stop them from.. oh.

>>57034403
Exactly this. And the other point is that un-backdoored crypto exists and is available for anybody to use. Trying to ban something that is public knowledge is worse than a fool's errand.

tactical assault encryption

"day-to-day civilian encryption"

god you people are such assholes

The same thing that's wrong with having law-enforcement only keys to everyone's front door. It's none of their fucking business unless they have a warrant. It's why we became the United States of America instead of King George's cucks. And it's why illegal search and seizure is prohibited by the US Constitution.

>>57026762
The problem is that the NSA tools are leaked, Cisco modems are abused and snowden has thrown all files on the street.

You want to give up your privacy for that kind of shitty security?

>>57038883
More importantly, will the private key for the backdoor be part of the next leak?

>>57026762
Daily paid NSA shill shitposting again I see

Hi, JTRIGGERED. This thread doesn't even deserve oxygen. This isn't a debate. /g/ is kind of shit sometimes.

Civilian availability of strong encryption is vital to international security and privacy is a basic human right. Encryption software is speech (see djb, PGP book). Backdoors, by definition, decrease security and integrity; there are no secure trapdoor functions.

We won the crypto wars. Genies don't go back in bottles, hun.

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>>57026762
nice bait