Why do the best Intel igpu's struggle compared to a $70 apu?

jews

>>56981173
Whats the real answer?

>>56981168
AMD has more GPU technology, patents and sheet than them. They either have to invent the wheel or pay fat buck for noVidya/AMD for their inventions.

>>56981168
Because people who buy intel also buys decent dedicated GPU?

>>56981181

jews

>>56981187
Makes more sense than the theory that people of Hebrew decent did it

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>>56981168
>i7-5775C

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_5775c_processor_review_desktop_broadwell,14.html

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/85148-intel-core-i7-5775c-14nm-broadwell/?page=6

>>56981230
amd finished and bankrupt yet again

>>56981230
AyyMD on suicide watch

>>56981230
BTFO

>>56981230
No! Fuck you! Its not true!

>>56981192
Whats the real answer?

>>56981412
jews

>>56981453
What's the real answer?

>>56981465
jews

>>56981168
Because Intel doesn't have GPU tech? What the heck is that question?

>>56981508
So you admit that AMD is supreme,correct?

>>56981576
(You)

>>56981230
Just buy a i3 and 480/1060 for the price of that processor. Meme tech.

>>56981181
Since the igpu was developed by Intel Israel, he's completely right.

>>56981230
>Over £300

Over8ed b8 m8

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>>56981731
The i5-6570C is a real quad core and faster than your i3

>>56981818
>I'm poor

So $300 dollars barely outperforms a %70 apu in a shady benchmark? I think its pretty clear who the winner is.

>>56981907
Intel's shareholders?

did any sites even bother to benchmark bristol ridge? i remember amd claiming huge performance differentials over skylake in graphics bound workloads.

>>56981978
Serious, I've actually heard a lot of people claim that the reason that intel scores higher on benchmarks is that a lot of tech sites hold stock in intel. Any truth to that or what

>>56982015
obviously every single person that prefers intel is a shill

>>56982036
Clearly

>>56981865
>>56981230
Those Iris Pro chips are "faster" only because they have massive eDRAM included in the package which also increases the cost of those chips to more than double what AMD is selling their APUs for. I.e only an option for idiots with more money than sense

>>56982012
Not properly even out yet, but them being better is a given as even the few years old APUs are massively better than any of the regular Intel iGPUs

>>56981181
Because people would still buy Intel regardless of anything. Thus Intel doesn't have to be bothered to actually try hard to make a good apu.

Lack of competition makes Intel lazy and not give a fuck. Regardless of how shitty their apu is, people will still buy it over AMD.

Some rumours claim the Zen generation APUs will match the 460 in performance. Though they might be priced accordingly.

It'd be great for a HTPC though.

>>56981201
>people of Hebrew decent did it
That's true too.

>>56981168
Still don't want housefire pooinloo thx

>>56981230
>5775C $366
>A10-7800 $123
>almost 3x the price for 12 extra FPS

Really makes you think.

>>56981168
Because its a literal gpu slapped on the die. A good portion of the die is the gpu

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>>56981230
Yeah, and then you test it on any modern game. Intel iGPUs are dog shit.

Isn't the A10 7000-something older than dirt? I thought the current gen APUs were significantly more beefy, especially the new Bristol Ridge.

>>56981230
I can see it happening.
Even my shit intelHD plays games surprisingly good at 720p

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>>56981314
D:

>>56983784
>720p low
>almost everything is unplayable anyway

>>56983784
>Yeah, and then you test it on any modern game. Intel iGPUs are dog shit.
A10 doesn't have DirectX 12, Intel HD 530 supports 12.1
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Oh god when did Intel iGPU beat AMD!!?!?

>>56984862
For the price? Never. The 5775C is basically vaporware anyway.

Anyway, >>56984831 is right. Integrated GPU's are still basically unusable for anything outside of basic functions and "light" gaming at low resolution. I define light gaming as playing games on low settings for 30 minutes to an hour until you get sick of looking at the 20-40 fps slideshow.

>>56984955
Gzdoom runs amazing in 1440p with AA on my HD4000

>>56981191
No they don't 80 percent of laptops use non dedicated graphical processors

>>56984955
Who cares about the 5775C
How does the 530 win when it has half the texture fill rate?

Does that mean that Intel's drivers are like 400% better?

>>56981478
What's the fake answer?

>>56985001
Yeah but nobody cares about Gzdoom.

>>56985052
Could it be because it's slapped onto a CPU that's about 6 times more powerful than the APUs it's being compared to? Honest question, it could be that these old ass Kaveri APUs are just CPU bottlenecked in a lot of games.

>>56985153
So the fastest APU cpu on the market is CPU bound on a game from 2004?

Yeah no.

>>56985054
Italians
My a10 8700p can play doom 900p medium at 30fps, I challenge you to do that with any intel igpu

>>56981230
Pretty sure the 9590 annihilate them all.

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>>56985193
It's actually much more likely to be CPU bound on a game with trivial graphical needs (by 2016 standards), such as a game like HL2 from 2004, but I wouldn't expect you to realize that you insufferable tripfaggot.

>>56983784
>>56982884
fuck you

>>56985321
Older games don't use more CPU you dumb fuck.

>>56985356
You are such a fucking retard. How have you not killed yourself yet?

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>>56985376
I'm not the one trying to argue that an A10 is cpu bound on Half Life 2

Try actually thinking before you start an argument before you just regurgitate what you heard from /v/.

I don't know why, but i have a boner for apu's. They are just too cute

>>56985474
Yeah theres something about them, turned down a dedicated card for mine, regret it but still

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>>56985356
Wrong. i3 4170

>>56981168
1150 broadwell chips had the fastest igpu dor a while. It just required intel to use a very expensive gpu cache on die to do it

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>>56985401
>I'm not the one trying to argue that an A10 is cpu bound on Half Life 2

Well you would be if you had any grasp on how to interpret these benchmarks. That would require you understanding that a CPU can most certainly be a bottleneck to GPU and the only time this ever even becomes possible is when the games are so old that the GPU functions are easy as fuck for the GPU, like for example, in HL2. How the fuck can you not understand this? This is basic shit, stop embarrassing yourself.

I mean, compare the results to the BF4 benchmark I posted above.

>>56985474
APU is masterrace

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...cant post the image im at work

>>56981181
nvidia licensed some tech to intel they built up on it =>their built up sucks
next year intel licensing radeon tech or so rumors say

>>56985573
>tripfag gets owned
>leaves thread

Just another thread on /g/.

>>56983784
>5775c without the GPU vs A10+GPU

>>56986057
>$370 vs $250
I don't see the problem.

>>56986057
Intel faggots BTFO

>>56986394
>think a A12 is fast like a i3

>>56986565
Should be a decent match at 5ghz

>>56981230
>low
retard

>>56982015
>>56982036
I do not trust the press much after Polaris

If a publication is getting worse performance out of a product then the others do, it's either because their methodology sucks or because they're shills

Either way they're shit

>>56984829
>a fucking decade old tech demo
are you taking the piss

>>56985949
>next year intel licensing radeon tech or so rumors say
a license agreement between Intel and AMD? impossible

>>56988040
Nvidia's agreement with intel runs out q1 of 2017, so yes, intel was shopping around for deals a few months ago. No definitive word yet, tho.

>>56982521
I have to imagine on a laptop or a non gpu build, that extra cost isn't significant enough to make a difference.

shit will be interesting when hbm comes to an apu though.

>>56984862
DirectX 12.1 with shitty performance? No thanks.
I don't think it can play DirectX 12 games with playable FPS anyway.

>>56987924
What is your point? You think you can play 4K game@ Ultra with a iGPU. You are the retarded

>>56984499
10-15% compared to previous APUs and at much lower Wattage. But critically they haven't released those Bristol Ridges yet

>>56981168
Seing as we're in a dedicated Apu thread, has anyone gotten GPU passthrough running on a system with the APU powering the host completely and a dGPU in the VM?

>>56981508
They do, all their designs since the i740 are in house, with the exception of the few GMA 500's which were PowerVR stuff
>>56982015
>a lot of tech sites hold stock in intel. Any truth to that or what
Kinda, they don't hold stocks, but they won't get free/early review samples, invitations to events, and all the other goodies if they don't favor Intel, or criticize them too harshly
Pretty much every major tech company has been doing this since the late 90's
>>56982012
Bristol Ridge isn't really available outside of prebuilts, so there's not much interest in them yet
>>56984862
>>56985356
>>56985193
I still wonder why you still trip, everyone knows you're a retard
>>56985949
They didn't license designs from Nvidia, just patents
The Intel GPU's have been homegrown since their acquisition of Real3D in 1994

>>56981230
The i7 should be compared to the A12 or FX, not the A10 though.

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>>56985474

>>56982012
>Talos Principle, Total War: Warhammer, Tomb Raider and BF4

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>>56982012
>>56993332

>>56993146
In terms of cost it would be fairest to place them against the i5 to be honest, and anything lower against the i3 or pentium

>>56993342
And bristol ridge dosent even use Polaris. The Raven Ridge Zen APUs will probably get a good 10-15% over those results, and fit it into a 45-65w envelope.

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>>56981168
Because AMD has been desperately trying to advance their APU tech and are very invested in it whereas Intel isn't very invested in their igpu shit and its more of a tacked on thing for people who don't have graphics cards.

>>56982521
>ITS ONLY BETTER BECAUSE IT HAS MORE OF X AND THAT COSTS MONEY SO IT DOESNT COUNT IT DOESNT COUNT

Moron, that's like saying the racer didn't win the race because he had a better car and that's more expensive.

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>>56984862
Oh god it's this fucking idiot again. Christ guys, just ignore the blabbering moron, he thinks that discussing piracy on /g/ is against the rules.

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Is this the power of polaris APU?

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>>56993437
There is such a thing as Performance/$
besides, that's a shit analogy.

>>56993409
>Intel isn't very invested in their igpu shit and its more of a tacked on thing for people who don't have graphics cards
Intel has been trying to get a decent grasp in the GPU market for more than two decades now, they tried in 1996 with the i740 failure, they went overboard in 2006 with Larrabee that eventually could only be repurposed as a coprocessor, and finally got some results with Sandy Bridge
Pretty much the entirety of generation improvements in Intel CPU's has been in the iGP's since 2011, they have been a centerpiece on every generation after they axed the GMA branding with the first i* series

>>56993487
No it's a perfect analogy, your smug anime doesn't make you less retarded. Of course more of x item is going to cost more than less how the hell is it a loss to win because the chip is more powerful? Also performance to price is a meme to some extent because then you wind up with a 480 and sub 60 fps performance at 1080p. That CPU probably outperforms the AMD offering in other areas as well so the price difference isn't even all from the GPU bit, so in the end it's just a better part that costs more money than a worse part.

>amd has better integrated graphics
>amd is pretty much nonexistant in the laptops market where this would actually matter

Why can't amd get anything right? If this shit didn't have way more TDP and less CPU performance than Intel it would be dominating the laptop market probably

>>56993534
The chip however isn't more powerful, if you taped $150 worth of eDRAM to an APU it would get equal performance bump as well. It would also shoot the price of the thing so high it would only make sense to use it in uFF PCs or slim laptops that LARP their more powerful siblings. I.e shitty price/performance that only caters to those with more money than sense

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>>56985977
Sure buddy

If the new Zen APUs can hit 60fps at 1080 in games like Rocket League, Overwatch, and competently play 4x titles. It'd be the perfect mini HTPC & LAN machine for me.

>>56994492
I'm sure they'll hit 6 FPS at least, for the other 54 you need a real GPU.

>>56994492
A10-7800 and up can already do that

AMD is a good 3-4 years ahead of Intel for on-die graphics in the cpu space. The bigger issue that /g/ is woefully ignorant of is Intel's driver support is apocalyptically bad for actual vidya - Intel's driver team is simply underequipped to tackle the sort of shit AMD and Nvidia go through to actually get vidya running on their hardware since so, so many games ship broken.

Intel is simply not prepared and won't be for years.