/pcbg/ - PC Building General - No tears, only builds

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Is it possible to build a (5 year at least) future proof rig for 1000$ or less?

I've only got a budget of 1k + tax.
I want to be able to play games at max FPS, and virtual reality with max settings and fps too.

Are these threads some kind of trollercoaster these days?
>mini-itx mobos+atx cases
>oc-cpu+non-oc mobos
>high-end gpus+5$ cases
and so on

>>56951290
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vk9qHN

You can swap the 1070 for a 1060 if you really want to save ~120$, but that's up to you

>>56951307
There is nothing wrong with using Micro/Mini ATX mobos if they have more features and are priced better than their full counterparts, and I think a micro/mini on a fullatx case helps wire management in a huge way. Is this a meta troll?

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I need a video editing rig that can do 4K/25fps videos. At least 10TB of storage or more. Budget is $3K, up to $4K if need be. Help me.

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I wanna get back to WoW and raiding and need a new PC.
From what I've read the pentium G4400 has very good single thread performance for its low price and should be a solid choice paired with MSI B150M Bazooka mobo. It's not a Z170, but since I don't have overclocking in mind it should be fine based on the reviews I've seen.
When it comes to RAM, I've been looking at Crucial's 2x4GB 2133MHz kit. Standard ram, can't go wrong with those green sticks, right?

For GPU I've been thinking a used GTX 760/270x or similar should be fine.
Does this sound like a good plan or am I fooling myself trying to get away cheap?
I don't need the highest settings and crazy fps - I just want the game to be playable.

I'll be playing on a 1680*1050 monitor.
Windows 10.
Will my corsair 400W PSU be sufficient?

Also, rate my old UI.

>>56951345
Thanks

>>56951399
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/K2xLcc

Here's a cheap piece of shit you're looking to use, without useless parts that are unupgradable.

With this it's cheap and if you want a real computer you can always upgrade your CPU and GPU.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/3vjYd6
Um, anything wrong with this?

>>56951399
sure a 4400 is only 10% slower than an i3-6100 in single core benches. Are you buying a used GPU? A 470 would whip both cards for $200 if youre buying new.

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courier just dropped these off... 2xnoctua + evo.

question: I've been thinking about placing the noctua on the EVO and placing the stock fan from EVO at the back of my chassis. Other noctua will go to the front of the case. Sounds okay?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/QH3zPs

any advices? new to gaming a world

>>56951369
For serious sustained 4k rendering and work I'd suggest you two-way 1080s, even a single titan won't do what you'd be looking for if I'm assuming you're doing multiple things are once.

Not sure about your monitor preferences, so the one chosen is the cheapest 4k IPS which doesn't look like shit.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/yn2Kqk

This would be stupid fun to build.

>>56951521
Don't use EVGA anything. Especially PSUs. I do not use anything except Seasonic. Swapped the memeSI mobo and GPU for a real manufacturer.

You're also buying too big of a fan for your CPU. The 6600k doesn't need a 14 or 15 noctua, so you can easily save money there by swapping for a cheaper noctua or a cryorig. 212 is also an alright choice considering how cheap it is now if you're not planning on going overboard with OC

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/yQRpKZ

>>56951631
Jesus christ kill yourself.

>>56951735
Why kill myself? Can you please help me to create a good gaming pc?

>>56951631
For gaming PC the graphics card should be about twice as expensive as the CPU.

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Hey /pcbg/. An anon a few threads ago wanted to know about Jet.com, and was worried if it was a trustworthy site or not. I said that since I already had orders coming in from Jet, I'd describe how the process went like

I ordered 2 things on Jet using triple15, a gtx 1060 6gb for $216.51, and an i5 6500 for $171.96. They both came today, even though the i5 shipped about a day later.

They both were fulfilled by "Jet Trusted Seller", but looking up the addresses on the 'from' labels on the boxes, it looks like Jet themselves shipped them to me. They both came in generic boxes and both the card and the cpu looked factory sealed, as in, I didn't get something refurbished or something shady like that. And the things in the box were indeed what I ordered, not some strange variant.

Can't test if they're DOA right now, but I'll be getting the rest of my parts before 30 days are up, so I'd be able to return them if they were. (cont)

>>56951369
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/NTPyWX

>>56951782
I don't have enough money to do that, see my build, that's my budget

>>56951735
Thank you

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>>56951831
As for the warranty, I emailed Jet a while ago about it and they said they don't offer any warranty other than the 30 day return policy. I checked the boxes today and I couldn't find any warranty information, so just keep that in mind if you want to order from Jet. I can't remember, but I think this is the same case for Amazon as well.

So far, at least for items shipped by "Jet Trusted Seller", it seems like an okay site. I'll have some more stuff coming in probably next week shipped by other sellers, so I'll also drop in and describe what that will be like. Reminder that if you want to take advantage of the triple15 deal, it ends on Oct. 15th

>>56951839
Then use Open Office.

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>>56951839
This isn't a shitposter bait thread faggot. Take your shit somewhere else.

With a budget of 650ish can I actually get something worth buying? And how hard is it to actually build stuff and put it together?

>>56951868
No thanks, i don't trust it.

>>56951894
Yes. You can buy something with ability to upgrade key components later with a z170 mobo.

see
>>56951486

>>56951399
>>56951486
I think he already has case, storage, PSU and a display by his post there anon.

>>56951399
this should run it at 1080p, get the MSI 4g 480 if you want to spend another $100 to have better detail and FPS.

>>56952008
>get the MSI 4g 480 if you want to spend another $100 to have better detail and FPS.

Kill yourself and stop giving advice.

>>56951894
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/VZ9qHN
You can go for 8GB RAM instead, if you cannot squeeze in another 16$

>>56952021
>fx-6300
>evga PSU

Stop giving advice.

>>56952034
>Implying that the FX 6300 is bad

>>56952040
Tell me how a fx-6300 outperforms in any way, shape or form an i3.

>>56951757
If that's your idea of a build. Just copy a pc part picker recommended build or use Logical Increments.

>>56952040
It's old, has weak single core and is on a dead socket. They aren't as trbl as shillvidia fans would want you to believe but it would be stupid to do an AM3 build right now.

>>56952082
True, but I'd just wait for Zen. I only recommended the 6300, since my friend has one and it tailgates my i5 3450 in most games.

>>56952054
It comes close. I already knew that the i3 was slightly better, but I always have a hard time recommending a dual core cpu.

>>56952040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rutk9ErhKG4

Here's why you're a retard and should never post in this thread again unless to ask for people like me to help you.

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>>56952107
Holy fuck. How arrogant are you? kys. Also, the Witcher is a bad example.

>>56952104
See
>>56952107

Stop posting and pretending to know what you're talking about. You give shit build advice and help people waste money on dead socket shit that is outperformed by factors for very little price increase.

You also don't know a fucking thing about PSUs or manufacturers. all in all, I'd say you're worse than people who don't know what they're talking about, because you give shitty advice and pretend to know what you're saying.

>>56952008
>>56951572
I'm just trying to get the cheapest playable rig without playing myself
What I already have is case (mATX), PSU, HDDs and DVD

First build: 1080p 60fps gaming and I'm in USA. Budget around $1000. Any advice?

pcpartpicker.com/list/VPpdbj

I know 500 gb is a bit small, I'll get more storage if I need to later.

>>56952311
Enjoy wasting your money on a 470 or 480.

>>56952331
>EVGA PSU

S E A S O N I C

P S U S

>>56951640
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/yn2Kqk
>i7-6700k
Four cores isn't enough for encoding and editing at 4K HEVC 8-bit in reasonable enough time. Trust me, I've tried.
>8 TB archive disks
I write to files a lot. Those disks would die within a month of ownership from the amount of writes I do onto the disks. Also, 150MB/s peak write isn't fast enough. I'll need around 400-500MB/s sustained. That will fill up that SSD in a matter of two hours.
>2 1080s
Why would I even need TWO 1080s, let alone one? I don't do GPU rendering at all because using CUDA and AA+PP yields horrible compression artifacts at horrible bitrates.
This is a gaming build, not a workstation.
>>56951838
Much more like it, although I'll swap out that 1080 for a decent RAID card and a cheaper graphics card. I'll also ditch that meme RAM for something more affordable. Thanks.

>>56952339
chill out, never said I was gonna buy that card
was just asking if an old GTX760 or 270x would be good enough

>>56952389
>I don't need GPU power for rendering

Lmao okay

Are there any good quiet PSUs, 500W or more, for around $100?

>>56952428
I actually don't. I experimented with a borrowed Titan Black a few years ago and I was underwhelmed by the quality of the encoded video. Think Youtube level of compression and color error on what's supposed to be a near lossless H.264 high bitrate 1080p video. Never again. I've heard HEVC encoding on Nvidia GPUs are as bad as their H.264 encoding because it's still in its infancy. I prefer the CPU doing all the work without mucking settings around. Slow, yes, but my clients don't argue about the finished product.

>>56952015
have you even looked up any benchmarks, I did and crunched some numbers. the 1060 is 25% more expensive and a 480 will do 60 fps avg at 4k in WoW. That leaves plenty of meat for superwide 1080.

Do you have brand loyalty so strong you would suggest a more expensive overpowered card for someones needs just because it's from your "team"? The corporation feels no loyalty to you. They dgaf where the profits come from as long as they keeping making one.

>KYS
over a objective suggestion that didn't even involve you full spectrum warrior.

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Found this old junkyard PC for $15. Has a pentium e2220 in it and an old Foxconn mobo. I'm going to gut it, try to sell the cpu, and put modern parts inside. Anybody want more pics?

>>56952481
http://www.overclock.net/t/1611964/ir-new-opencl-rendering-benchmark-for-gpus-and-cpus

Okay "expert renderer"

>>56952354
>>56952034
>>56951735

OK what's so bad about evga psus. Several hundred Amazon/newegg customers seem to have had good experiences. Srs question, not baiting

>>56952492
AMDshill spergs out over his weak, obsolete, overpriced card being called out. Shocked.

>wow a 480k does 60fps on WoW!!!

lmao.

>>56952513
Absolutely nothing. He is just a brand-loyal fucking retard. He also shills for Nvidia and Intel.

>>56952536
>>56952513
>eternally BTFO AMDshill is so off his rocker he now shills for EVGA PSUs

>>56952509
>http://www.overclock.net/t/1611964/ir-new-opencl-rendering-benchmark-for-gpus-and-cpus
>canned benchmarks validates my opinions
Take your salty ass back to >>>/v/
If I ever need to do 3D GPU rendering (which is totally NOT what I do with my videos and I wonder why you're even bringing that up in the first place), I would buy a Quadro card for the support and compatibility.

>>56952548
>rendering is faster with CPU
>get proven wrong
>wow I didn't even mean that

Okay. I'm just trying to help you understand how rendering works and how to increase your production speed, kiddo.

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Wasnt kaby lake supposed to arrive this month? Anyone of you shills has any news about that?

>>56952579
Idk, but it is probably not going to be any better than Skylake.

>>56951631
Autism - The Build.

>>56952564
I never said that HEVC rendering is faster with a CPU. In fact, you blithering idiot, I just stated that CPU rendering is SLOWER, but better quality and offers me more control over the finished video. I even stated that four cores isn't enough for the encoding I do which is why I needed more cores to get passable performance. My i7-4790K is barely pushing 9 rendered frames per second in some instances, 15 frames at best (when there are blank frames). My clients care more about video quality than they do about speed, but 9-15 FPS is too slow for me to stomach when I have a backlog of work that also needs encoding and editing. Having a more powerful CPU with twice as many cores will certainly help things move along and I might make an encoding farm out of my current computer and another used i7 machine.
Your immature response and innacurate nitpicking just reeks of >>>/v/ autism. I suggest you slink back to watching LinusDickTips and JayzI'mtoofuckingretardedtounderstandheatsoakandwhatconstantlyhightemperatureexposurewilldotomypastelcolorednanofluid videos now.

>>56952579
No, desktop CPUs will arrive early next year, probably together with the 1080ti. Performance increase shouldn't be more than 10%, maybe even less.

I am building a workstation with a Xeon E5-2670 and new Supermicro motherboard. I already have some 1333MHz registered ECC DDR3 RAM from my old LGA1366 system. is it worth buying 1600MHz or 1866MHz ECC RAM off ebay or should I just stick with what I have?

>>56952757
Does the motherboard support those DIMMs? Yes? Then keep it.
Also, what socket? Because if you're moving up to a 2011-v3, you need to buy DDR4 DIMMs anyway.

>>56952523
the 480 4g does 63 fps
the 1060 6g does 78

Not to bad for a reference card with 2/3 the ram
Again,socially akward train identification enthusiast..I buy buy computer parts based on anything but my needs and the bottom lin4.

>>56952724
Not the same guy you replied to but it seems to me you pretty much know what to look for, I don't know why you're looking for advice. Go for the biggest possible computing potential / price you can get in that price point.
By the looks of it you're better off then just going for something like a xeon e5-2680.

Hi /g/entlemens,

I'm planning top build an arcade bartop with my rapsberry pi.

I find this kind of kit. I need advices to make my choice. Someone already build this kind of project.

The kit i found.

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/No-Delay-Arcade-Game-Control-USB-LED-Joystick-fur-MAME-Raspberry-2-Players-AC492-/272354326184?hash=item3f699536a8:g:eIwAAOSwHoFXwH34

>>56952786
LGA2011, the older one. the new motherboard with a 3-year warranty was cheaper than used LGA2011 motherboards on ebay.

>>56952832
I was bored and wanted to see what you spergs could come up with. I'm waiting for my C612 board to come in but haven't decided on 2 E5-2620v3 or a single E5-2618Lv4 now and buy a second one later. The whole "more cores vs more frequency" debate.

>>56952918
When it comes to video rendering it's not really a debate. It's all about processing power. Multiply the frequency by cores. In whatever format you are able to supply the most potential power that's the way to go. The debate comes only in games where it's really hard to make full use of threads.

>>56952959
It's actually a matter of costs, because the 2 6-cores cost me about the same as the single 10-core, but I'll be stuck at 24 threads. The 10-cores might be slower for now, but I can get 40-threads once both are occupied. I'll figure out my budget somehow, or step down to that 8-core Broadwell-E Xeon that's about halfway between the two.

>>56953017
I'd probably go for the single 10 core CPU. Wait a bit more but end up with a better end machine. It's a matter of personal choice and patience.

>>56953062
If I just have one of the sockets occupied, that means that I'll lose half the PCIe slots on the board, right? That's something that Supermicro has been a little obscure about in their manuals for the board.

>>56953080
No clue. I haven't messed with dual processor boards. Just out of curiosity, what are you using those slots for?

>>56952579
I would imagine that manufacturers and OEMs get new shit before it's packaged in individual boxes for consumers.

>>56952694
It will be at least for some specific use cases. Kaby Lake has hardware decode/encode support for HEVC Main10, VP9 8-bit and VP9 8-bit. It also supports HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 natively (sorta) and has native support for USB 3.1. The HEVC decode is rated for 4Kp60 at up to 120 Mbps. There's probably a few other things I can't think of right now, but probably nothing as major.
So it'll be nice for low power 4K devices. I know I'm looking forward to the Kaby Lake NUCs so I can try my hand at a 4K streaming HTPC once Kodi supports the hardware decode.

I currently have a 24"samshit shitmaster TN screen and a salvaged 17" HP screen. Getting kinda cramped when using both UE4, VS and an internet browser at the same time so I'm looking for a nice new screen. Main use will be programming/vidya dev and gaming.
At least 27" 1440p. My brother has a Dell U2715H which is pretty nice, although I'm not too sure about the IPS glow and the DPI seemed a bit high.
What are some recommended screens?

>>56953091
A BlackMagic (fuck them, by the way) 4K Studio capture card, a 10GbE dual-SFP+ NIC, and possibly a RAID card. I'm looking for a video card that I can buy on the cheap in my area for video output, I don't really need anything stronger than a GT 740 or R7 250 in my case.

>>56952496
GL with cable management

>>56952331
Get 3000MHz RAM to go with your Z170

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>>56952125
>>56952123
>>56952107
>>56952104
>>56952082
>>56952054
>>56952040
>>56952034
>>56952021
If you OC the 6300 to 4GHz it's decent (it would bench next to the 8350), but at that point it's easier just to have a 6350.

That being said, I'd never buy an AM3+ platform new at this point. Dead socket, CPUs are mediocre. The 8350 + 990 or 970 mobo is a good used choice.

If you had a choice, would you rather have your case windowless or windowed?

>>56953263
Windowless silent cases are great.

Can you guys check this build?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/QCHJM8

I want my pc to play almost every game at 60 fps and I also want to run Dolphin and Pcxs2 at high resolution and 60 fps if possible.

>>56953345
Get an ATX motherboard and a full size GTX 1070. Besides that, it is great.

>>56953253
I'd like to see other games, because I feel like GoW4 is an outlier, rather than the norm

>>56953384
Can't know for sure, but with DX12 it'll probably be the new normal.

>>56953450
>2600k beating 4670k and 6600k the new norm
welp, maybe I'll try and find one then

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>>56953190
Its actually not TOO bad. I was able to install my standard atx PSU no problem.

>>56953386
>cheaper gpu

Would the gtx 1060 satisfy my needs? It's quite a bit cheaper.

>>56953523
Yeah it would. You have to know how to balance your settings (1x SMAA, can't do retarded shit like 4x SMAA)

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Hopefully I finally got this post right

>>56953263
Windowless, don't be a faggot. Windowed will instantly kill any chances of getting pussy at any point in your life.

>>56953253
Pricing comparisons
>i7 2600k + mobo used
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=2600&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=131511&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC4.A0.H0.X2600k.TRS1&_nkw=2600k&_sacat=131511
>i7 2600 + mobo used
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=8350&LH_ItemCondition=3000&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=131511&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR10.TRC6.A0.H0.X2600.TRS2&_nkw=2600&_sacat=131511
>8350 + mobo used
http://www.ebay.com/sch/Motherboard-CPU-Combos/131511/i.html?LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_from=R40&_nkw=8350&_dcat=131511&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=3000&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

>>56953345
Looks good. Could drop to 2133MHz RAM. You can save a little money by getting a cheaper gfx card.

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>>56951576
I really don't get why EVOs are so popular, when Noctua offers lower temps and basically zero noise

>>56953600
Which cooler and case?

>>56953617
Node 304 with Noctua NH-U12S

>>56953617
and to be honest, if I wasn't gaming a few minutes ago, it could be as low as 17C

>>56953658
>>56953672
Nice, thought about R5 + NH-U14S, guess it will run at similar temps.

>>56953600
>CPU temp below ambient
literally impossible

>>56953758
sorry, but I don't have a thermometer that i could put next to monitor to prove that it's true.
Yes, there are real CPU coolers,not just "EVOs"

>>56951399
>2004+12
>Wow is still alive...

This shit will amaze me until the day I die

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>>56953758
see temps of other components.

(yes, no gpu, because I sold my EVGA 950 DC and still waiting for EVGA 1060 SC)
And EVGA's gpus is another thing I'd recommend if you want a really, really silent and low temp gpu (fans are not spinning when idle).

>>56953672
>Lower than room temp on air cooler
There must be something off with the sensors or else you might just have the world's first perpetuum mobile in your case.
Not trying to hate, but that's just impossible

>>56953906
1. good thermal paste?
2. Refrigerators are science fiction?

>>56953904
it's literally impossible, m8

either your temperature sensors are inaccurate, which is the most likely scenario, given the low temperature (sensors get worse at lower temperatures, since their normal range is between 25°C-100°C), or you're using some below-ambient temperature fluid

>>56953942
>1. good thermal paste?
doesn't work that way
>2. Refrigerators are science fiction?
then the ambient would be lower, since ambient refers to the T-infinite passing over the chip

So guys, Western Digital WD10EZEX, or Toshiba P300?

>>56953942
Good thermal paste doesn't break thermodynamic laws.
Refridgerators are powered by a compressor cycle that cools the inside at the cost of electric energy converting to heat. Refridgerators does have a wattage, you know?

>>56953976
I'd say P300, but don't quote me on that.

>>56953973
well, the "room temperature" is what I get 3m from the PC, it's not the temp inside the case.

are the "inaccurate" sensors supposed to be on the motherboard or cpu?
The temps of other components seem fine. And of course, under load the CPU temps rise as well.

>>56953600
It's because they're cheaper, better value and in most cases they're "good enough". Like it doesn't matter if your temp is 57 or 60 unless you're trying to maximize overclock.

>>56954012
cpu cooler doesnt run on pure air too
it consumer power to spin the fan that cools down the heatpipes and the air inside them, blowing the exscess heat away

>>56953758
>>56953973
Its possible when its idling that low. My i5-6400 without OC was idling around there. With OC, it idles around 30s at 3.9 Ghz clock (can't downclock when OC).

>>56954058
>>56954083
Well the same principle also makes it impossible for the case temp to be lower than room temp unless it's measured very close to a heat source.
Yes, the fans need electricity to spin, but blowing room temp air on the cooler will never bring it lower than room temp.
It's like trying to cool 40C water to 20C by pouring 30C water into it.
A fan is not a heat pump

>>56954058
heat rate q=h×A×ΔT=h×A×(Tcpu - Tambient)

as the temperature difference becomes smaller, the heat transfer becomes less. once the temperature difference becomes negative, the CPU would start cooling down the ambient air

refrigeration units work by taking heat in, transferring it to a refrigerant (R-134a for example) and then condensing it, with the heat then being exhausted out the back and out of the system. your cpu cooler almost certainly does not do this

>>56953976
P300 only because they're usually cheaper, but only slightly faster. The EZEX is getting pretty old now anyway, and older designs usually lack something in the speed or features department. In this case, it's sequential read/write speed. The P300 has faster peak sequential read/write, but has a slower small file read/writes speed despite having similar access time. It's what the previous gen DT01s should have been three years ago.

Guys. I game. I want to stream. Games don't use more than 2 cores. But streaming has no limit on the resources it can take up.

I was thinking, because of this, I'll need a hexcore. Looking at the 6850k.

Does this make sense or am I overestimating what I need?

Mind you money is no object. But I will not buy a 6900k or higher.

>>56951631
Have you ever considered ending your life?

>>56954179

Not him, but every night, after I kill another fifth of cheap vodka, I stare at an electrical cord that is hanging from a wooden dowel in my closet. One day, I'll probably get the balls to do it.

>>56954174
Depends on what resolution you want to stream in, but a four core i7-6700K is actually fairly reasonable in that department. If you're not streaming at 1080p/60fps, a quad-core should do you just as well as a six-core.

>>56954174
>games don't use more than 2 cores

>>56953976
Neither
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4UM3102206

>>56954130
Like he said it's literally impossible. The problem is with the sensor readings / interpretation. Wake the fuck up

>>56954174
Overestimating. Quadcore is more than enough right now for games. I7 4c8t would give nice "future proofing" but isnt required.

Also some games only use 2 cores, many these days are multicore/threaded. However scaling for multithread/core hits diminishing returns after 4 core CPUs. So there's not much to gain except more stability.

>>56954220

They don't.

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>>56954174
>Games don't use more than 2 cores.
You're quite literally fucking retarded. Any moderately recent game uses up to eight threads well

>>56954174
>thinking of buying a $600 cpu just so you can stream to your 5 viewers
>asking random people on /g/ for advice on a $600 cpu

that being said, if money doesn't matter, you may as well get the best. BUT, and I may be wrong here, but I think the higher up in CPUs you go, the worse overclocking, and thus worse single core performance, you get

so some applications that utilize less cores might run better on a 6700k, for instance

>>56954156
So you're saying that if one room in my apartment is 25C, the other one cannot have lower temp? :)

>>56954235
>Far Cry 4

>>56954235
There are games now that literally cannot run on dual core cpus unless they use virtual cores.
Many games rely on more threads nowadays.

>>56954242

I don't plan on OCing the 6850k more than 4.2 ghz if I get it. I have an ek predator 360, so it should be more than enough for cooling.

>>56954247
No, what I'm saying is that if two rooms have different temperatures, they will over time approach each other, unless perfectly isolated which I doubt your walls are.
Also note what I wrote about heat sources and temperature readings.

>>56954286
Ok, then I'll try to get my hands on another motherboard and see if the temps are higher ;)

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>>56954341
Troll or stupid?

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>>56954341
No need for another mobo to have that confirmed, just take a look at pic related instead
Further reading:
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/chemistry/5-60-thermodynamics-kinetics-spring-2008/lecture-notes/

>>56954446
I just want to see the difference in real life.
if it's not the mobos fault, then could I try a different 6600k?

>>56954492
Need to use an IR thermometer or a thermocouple

>>56954492
It's probably just that the sensors aren't very accurate for lower temperatures, since it's pretty much irrelevant anyway. They should be calibrated for precision at critical temperatures, which is what matters so your mobo and CPU is probably just fine.

>>56954510
then would it be worth buying a cheap one from banngood or are those also going to be "inaccurate for lower temperatures"?

>>56954567
Not likely.
An IR thermometer would be have to amimed directly at the core, which is practically impossible since the heatsink and CPU lid are in the way and will disperse some of the heat.
A thermocouple would have to be microscopically small without notably compromizing the thermal properties of the setup that wants to be observed.

>>56954688
So it's almost impossible to get precise temps anyway? :D
in conclusion, even if my sensors are a bit off, Noctua makes awesomely silent and effective coolers :D

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>>56954688
Won't be perfect, but it'll be close enough if you're testing when the system is at equilibrium under steady load or lack thereof despite the slight temperature gradient between the core and the base of the heatsync

>>56954730
You must be a fucking moron. Of course it's impossible to get the "true" temperature. You can only get an approximation no matter how accurately you test because there's no such thing as infinite precision except theoretically

>>56954241
>Have i3-6100 right now.

Well shit, butter ask for upgrade when christmas rolls around.

>>56954978
You're fine for most games, hold onto it til Kaby Lake shows up

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/bG7Djc

What do you think of this build? I'm not sure on the case. I'm torn between the R5, the Carbide 400C and the H440. I'm looking for the quietest one.

>>56955098
Decent, switch to HGST HDD

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Erickazo99/saved/K3dCJx

Going to build this towards the end of november. My first ever pc since i've been playing on console my whole life.
Is it worth it to get the 6600K? My local Microcenter has intel+mobo deals and i can get the 6600k + a mobo there for the price of a 6500+mobo online on newegg.

Does transistor density have some theoretical limit that can be reached with the current methods of microchip manufacturing, and if so what is that limit?
Will we soon see microprocessors with drastical performance increases that isn't related to transistor density?
Does the future of computing lie within optimizing software/hardware utilization?

It's late and I can't sleep until I get some answers dammit.

>>56955098
Looks good, but.. maybe get a better mobo and the EVGA FTW shouldn't be much more expensive, maybe get that.

>>56955202
You don't need a 180$ case, get a non-gaming mobo and do not get fucking tray CPUs.

>>56951307
>high end gpus and $5 cases
Why? Don't just give me the "you're spending $1000 on a computer that means you need to spend $200 on a box to put it in"

>>56953880
It's not true though, it's physically impossible without some sort of evaporation or depressurizing refrigeration system

>>56954058
CPUs digital temp sensors are usually pretty inaccurate

>>56955236
>yes, the limit is silicon wafer manufacturing and the limit will be hit fairly soon
>once we switch to non-silicon, probably
>this has always been the case, hardware is always worthless without updated modern software controlling it

>>56955202
I don't know whether you've seen that monitor in person, but it's really fucking small. You want at least the 29" version. The 29" has the same approximate height (vertical dimension) as a 23" 16:9 monitor.

Consider a B150 mobo if you don't bet on multiGPU. (The 1060 cannot SLI, but DX12 may allow multiGPU.)

Switch to HGST HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4UM3102206

Personally I'd stick with the locked i5 because you're going to want to get an i7 relatively soon, after the price falls in a year or two.

>>56951307
>mini-itx mobos+atx cases
It's about cable management and letting the negative space do the talking for maximum A E S T H E T H I C

>oc-cpu+non-oc mobos
What matters here is making a statement - "I can, but I won't". Establishing dominance.

>high-end gpus+5$ cases
Your point? Not all millionaires dress in designer clothing.

Get with the times, grandpa.

I have a 1080 and a 6600k
How the fuck do I get stable 60fps at 1080p in Forza horizon 3? Same problem on ultra-medium settings, I get 100+ fps 99% of the time but it just cuts out and drops frames very often, the CPU is like at 80% usage and the GPU is at like 60%
Drivers are updated

>>56955184
Why the switch to HGST?

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I don't live in the US mainland.

Is there some place online where I can buy components and shit, without getting raped by shipping costs? Newegg wants to charge me $20 to ship a stick of fucking RAM.

>>56955236
>Does transistor density have some theoretical limit that can be reached with the current methods of microchip manufacturing, and if so what is that limit?
No ultimate limit that I know of, but the process limits the density. Currently 14/16nm FinFET is almost mature. So called 10nm and 7nm are in the pipeline. After that it's anyone's guess. One of the main industry bodies that provides roadmaps said 'Fuck it, we're out. Can't see intro the future anymore' and disbanded/offered final roadmap.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/moores-law-really-is-dead-this-time/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/07/itrs-roadmap-2021-moores-law/

>Will we soon see microprocessors with drastical performance increases that isn't related to transistor density?
There will be processors for specialized tasks, like the holographic chip in MS's Hololens.

>Does the future of computing lie within optimizing software/hardware utilization?
Not entirely, but there may be a slower hardware advance until a breakthrough occurs

>>56955477
Probably the game's fault.

>>56955505
Reliability

>>56955441
Cool thanks for the advice man. Why the B150? Ill be getting the H170+i5 6500 for 250 bucks from microcenter. Is the B150 better, or just because of cost?

>>56951290
Are you asking for something you won't have to upgrade at all for 5 years? AND maintain ultra 60fps game play? For 1000$? You think this is reasonable?

>>56955477
What RAM do you have?
Some games get tremendous boosts from faster ram

https://youtu.be/3G-7bfPG2dE?t=5m32s

Also check'd

>>56955505
There's a meme going around that it has 1-2% yearly failure rate compared to most others at like 6-15% or something

>>56955571
Cost, the B150 has everything but the extra PCIe lanes you'd need for mGPU

>>56955596
16GB of 3000mhz ram that runs at 2133mhz because the specific model of gskill isn't supported by mobo and enabling XMP makes it not boot
>>56955567
Looking online I'm seeing a lot of people with stuttering issues, maybe it's just a shitty console port

>>56955632
Alright, since im going to be getting the H170 for less than the B150, i should be okay, right?

Pros and cons for overpressure vs underpressure in an air cooled rig?

>>56955665
Yes.
Generally, H170>B150, but if it doesn't matter just get what's cheaper.

>>56955305
Cheers. It looks like the FTW is about £40 more expensive. I'll think about it. Any mobo would you recommend? I was yelled at on here for picking one for over £100.

>>56955665
>>56955699
Having a more capable chipset for a lower price is never bad.

>>56955699
>>56955711
Thanks /g/uys

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>>56955642
>specific model of gskill isn't supported by mobo
Try updating your BIOS, with an OC'd i5 high speed RAM helps minimums.

>>56955665
Yes it's fine, but if they let you swap you might try to get a B150 for cheaper or a Z170, which will let you upgrade to an unlocked "K" CPU later.

>>56955699
If not that Widescreen LG monitor, what do you recommend? Budget for the monitor is $200 but i could stretch to $250 if its that much better

>>56955708
That depends entirely on your budget and don't get me wrong, the mobo you chose is fine, but if you can spend a little more, do it. Also, whoever yelled at you for picking a more expensive mobo (say 150 pounds) is flat out retarded.
Personally i'm currently planning an OC build with an i5-6600K and the Gigabyte Z170X-UD3.

>>56955754
29UM58 or 29UM67 (Freesync, useless to you)

>>56955534
Would help if you fucking told us where you live fag

>>56955810
Why is freesync useless to me?

>>56955548
>>56955439
Good answers, thx guys.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/PFWnpb
Is this a good gaming machine?
>inb4 16GB RAM
I only have one monitor and I don't multitask
>inb4 overkill buzzword
I don't really plan on upgrading anytime soon.

>>56955098
Get a WB Caviar Blue or if you want some more reliability a Caviar Black. Don't get Seagate, they make shit HDD's. Also HGST is a meme don't listen to those guys.

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>>56955844
You have an Nvidia card picked out, right? No Freesync support

>>56955859
It's fine

>>56955867
>HGST is a meme don't listen to those guys.
m8 pls die in a fire

>>56955867
Thanks. I'll look into them.

>>56955859
If gaymen is the only thing you do then drop to a 6500 + H170 combo, maybe skip the cooler if you like and get a slightly better GPU. EVGA FTW, Zotac !AMP are Palit SuperJetstream are good choices.
And you probably want to add a HDD if you don't already have one.

>>56955859
Looks pretty good anon and 8 gigs are fine, HOWEVER if you were to get 16 gigs you could allocate like 6 gigs to use as cache for the SSD, really makes a difference on write and read speeds.

Other than that the build looks solid.

>>56955942
>tfw only own Seagate and WD
I am worried

>>56955762
Thanks for the help. This is what I've got now http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/wRBgnn

Still deciding on the case. It looks like to get the cooling into the R5 I might have to take off the top covers which I would rather not do.

>>56955942
>>56955960
>>56955964
Thanks guys.

>>56955942
Ow look, there's that meme image again!

>>56955828
Puerto Rico.

I was hoping to get a new UPS, but Newegg wants to charge me $50 for shipping. Amazon doesn't even ship them here at all.

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>>56955983
Overclocking the CPU is a bit of a chore, make sure you're actually going to do it. Consumer i7s (and 4c / 8t CPUs in general) are going to drop drastically in price over the next two years, so you're probably going to want to swap out for a 6700K or 7700K or simply upgrade to the 7nm Cannonlake (or AMD equivalent) CPUs in a few years.

Could get the Z170 for upgrade potential and get an i5 6500 as a plenty good enough CPU.

>>56956018
>you = girl
>WD + SG = offscreen male

>>56951290
>Max fps

There is no maximum fps tardo.

>>56955983
R5 is a fine case. If you're looking for silent solution then take a look at the Tt Suppressor F31, Corsair 400Q (i think) or Nanoxia Deep Silence.
Idk which cards are cheaper in UK but alternatives to the FTW are Zotac !AMP, Palit SuperJetstream and a Gainward which i forgot the name of.
In case you want to switch the H100i out for air cooling, get a Noctua NH-D15/14 or Phanteks PH-TC14.

>>56956067
The regular consumer version HGST drives have the same failure rates, just check the reviews on Newegg it's full of people who have failures within a year. Yes, the 1 TB HGST drives that cost 150 bucks have a lot less failure but for such a premium fucking price they damn well be better.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EB7UITQ
What's the consensus on corsair PSUs? Garbage like EVGA?

>>56956285
Completely wrong. Just shut up

>>56956102
Thanks for the help. Looking at those cases, I might stick with the R5 and possibly go with the air cooling. I'll probably not over clock the CPU anyway.

Would anyone recommend any cheaper alternatives to what I have already that would give similar performance?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/QCznpb

I already have a case, HDDs, and PSU from an older build.

>>56956327
90% chance you really don't need that much wattage

>>56956452
Probably. Want enough for 6700k oc + future graphic cards.

>>56956493
Unless you're planning on multiGPU you'll never need more than 2 8pin (550W).

>>56956451
Either get the i3 6100 or the i5 6500. i5 6400 sucks because of both base and boost clockspeeds. Also consider a factory OC'd 4GB RX 470

>>56956335
Just calling YOU ARE WRONG does not make you right anon. Apply yourself.

>>56956684
I don't feel like arguing with you, retard. The data is there but you don't accept it because you're a fanboy or contrarian or something

Considering this is a pc build general, why dont we ever expand it to the software side of things when be build our new pc? Helping all the new people coming in, considering they dont even know how build the damned things.

I was thinking of adding a pastebin going over the basics of it all, but would like some suggestions/help.

>>56956845
Software is largely dependent on operating system, and I don't use gnu/linux, so I couldn't really give advice on it.

>>56951369
wow she thicc

>>56956845
What the fuck is there to give advice on? Software especially on linux is mostly up to preference. There's nothing to do, it just works out of the box.

>>56956845
We already have /fgl/

Thanks, I'll go for the 6500

>>56957004
Was meant for >>56956610

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>>56951839
Lose the antivirus, get an i5 now you have 300 dollars to spend on a card, also is this bait?

>>56956400
>I'll probably not over clock the CPU anyway
Then why bother with unlocked CPUs, Z170 mobos and expensive cooling at all....

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/4Mmdbj

Last check: am I spending any unnecessary money? Is it worth it getting the MSI 1060 X instead of this one? (it's quite a big price change)

>>56957421
Get a mATX case if you go with a mATX mobo, otherwise you're good.

>>56957525
Thanks! You know any good ones in white? The Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV mATX seems good to me.

>>56957564
EVOLV is fine, Fractal Define S is good, too, but a lot cheaper.

>>56957587
Cool, thank you.

>>56957587
I don't understand the meme with cases like the define s and that nzxt s340 or whichever where they give you a mid tower but dont include a 5.25" bay.
What is the point in leaving it out when the case is clearly large enough to support it?
Nice autism box seriously. Have aesthetics gone too far?

>>56957761
Because we have 2016 and the majority doesn't need it anymore or simply buy an external.

To those of you installing windows 7, I HIGHLY implore you to look at this

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-update/windows-7-update-solution/f39a65fa-9d10-42e7-9bc0-7f5096b36d0c?auth=1

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I'm looking at put together a new pc upgrade from core2duo gtx460.

This is what i have so far, money is not an issue.

Suggestions and critique is appreciated:

PSU Corsair RM850i
CPU Intel i7 6800k
GPU Asus Strix 8GB
Mobo Asus Strix X99
Ram Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (8 x 4)
CPU Cooler Corsair Hydro Series H100i
Case Corsair Obsidian 750D
SSD Intel 750 PCI-e 400GB SSD
SSHD Western Digital WD Blue 4TB

>>56958134
>Asus Strix 8GB
wat

>>56958194

Woops, ment Asus gtx 1080

>>56958134
pcpartpicker man.

ASUS Strix 8GB what?
1070, 480, etc?
There's a bunch of different cards from AMD and Nvidia that can be ASUS STRIX 8GB.

Is there an >= ATX case that has an industrial/minimalistic but elegant look and has a basement and no 5.25" bays?

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>>56958134
>>56958254

Trying again:

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/s2GBqk

Thank you.

>>56958322
Wait, are you from pol?

I fucking recognize that picture...

>>56958322
I'll be honest, I think it would be safer to have 4 1 TB's than 1 4TB, because if something happens to just that ONE 4TB HDD you're gonna have a bad time.

>>56958406

Nah i'm from /fit/

>>56958322
>5.1k total
If you're going to spend a stupid amount of money then don't be a cheap fuck and spend it correctly.
Get Dominator or Trident Z meme RAM, a titanium PSU and Jesus Christ drop that useless 5400RPM WD Blue for either a WD Black or HGST drive.

Had a choice to pick either a 4:3 or a 16:10 screen, and i picked 4:3
Not gonna ask if i dun goofed, i like that 4:3.

>>56958434
>>56958497

Thanks for the input.

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/s2GBqk

I want to keep noise down, would getting a water cooled 1080 be better for that?

>>56958643
1. That's still the same build.
2. As i said, Dominator or Trident Z RAM + titanium PSU + HGST / WD Black drive
3. AIO or water cooling isn't necesarrily more quiet than air cooling. You still need fans and on top of that you add a water pump that might add some noise.
4. If you want to watercool your GPU get either pre installed water cooling options like a Seahawk + secons AIO or simply get an EK custom loop, i presume money isn't an issue. Also remember, custom loops need maintance.
5. If you want a silent PC than drop that Corsair case. The only silent Corsair case is the 400C/Q, but that might not be want you want. Look into the BeQuiet Dark Base Pro 900. Huge silent tower with A LOT of options for everything.

>>56958763

Thanks man.

Hows this: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/4Mkv4C

Would you recommend additional fans or switching out any of the stock fans in that case?

>>56958763
Also is there a huge difference between the BeQuiet 800 and 900 pro or would it also be suitable?

More of an accessory than a part but can some one recommend to me a good pair of headphones and a mic.

People keep telling me dedicated "gaming" headsets are garbage.

>>56959350
Don't buy anything with LEDs on it.

I've had a pair of Sennheiser HD280 (or 200, I forget) for years and they're so comfortable it's amazing, and they ran about $200 when new.

I did end up buying a Logitech g230 headset for like $50 or $60 just for the ease of having a mac right there, and it's held up pretty well over the past 2 years. I don't know much about standing mics, my voice is terrible and I don't want people to have to hear it more accurately.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/NPRNzM

r8

>>56959559
>$70 gamer shades
>z170 mobo on a non oc board
>no spinning hdd
>"gaming" build with an i3 and 1060 pair
I came here to laugh at you.

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>>56959611

Getting a cheap SSD because Motherboard>SSD.

SP550 or SP600?

>>56959821
OCZ or Sandisk

Got my PC built.

Tried Crysis 3 could max it out.

Say what you want about the games I've always enjoyed the trilogy.

But I can't get my case fans to shut the fuck up, they are constantly going. Speedfan registers that all my shit is 120 Celsius which I know is wrong and the included fan software on the ASUS motherboard disc doesn't seem to make a difference if I set it at zero or crank it full blast.

Any ideas?

>>56959930
Latest ADATA SSD (ADATA SP920) is the same price than a Sandisk SSD Plus.

Should i consider it because MLC>TLC also for being a more recent SSD shouldnt it be more reliable?

>>56956074
60fps is the standard retard

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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/DdvHWX
Making my first build... the parts that are paid for i have already bought. Any suggestions ? Is this gonna be good or idk. First pc . :(

>>56960220
Drop the PSU to 550W unless you're going to multiGPU
Get 3000MHz RAM
Get HGST HDD
Consider a cheaper SSD

>>56955595
What's the point of investing in thousands of dollars into a compute rif you have to upgrade it after 4 years?

Might as well buy a console for 400$ anually

>>56959939
Are you using 3-pin fans on 4-pin headers.

>>56960793
Enjoy your obsolete nogame boxes

guys, need a bit of advice.

Fractal Design Core 1000 Case, installing an ASUS RX470(That is too long for the drive cage to exist in) next week, which means the 120 GB Samsung 750 EVO SSD that I picked up and installed windows on...isn't enough.

Granted, I DO have an External drive, USB 3.0, 1 TB, but I STILL need internal storage space.

Do I just Jerry rig it and duct tape a 240 GB OCZ Trion 150 SSD and/or a Western Digital 1 TB drive to the internal case itself somehow?

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>build high end gaming pc
>realize I don't like playing any games and windows makes me sick
>have more fun customizing wms on my laptop under the comfiness of linux

installing linux on my desktop feels like a waste though since I could have spent like $100 on parts rather than $1000 and it would have run the same.

fuck

>>56961149
Honestly this is what's holding me up from upgrading now. There's no real reason for me to. no "must have" high fidelity games.

Nope. I just keep playing dwarf fortress with my 1200$ shit.

build my new pc
but i have some issues
my motherboard is over 100°C but everything else runs fine and windows wont recognize my hdd but speccy still shows it
any advices?

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Hi /g/
My graphics card just stopped last night, although the computer is still running since I could still hear in-game sounds from my games. My monitor just displays gray screen (not the black screen when it is turned off).
Is it still fixable? Pretty sure my temperature never goes above 60 when playing.
If not, what would be a decent-enough graphics card under $100?

Smallest micro ATX case that supports a 240mm aio? Could go with itx but would prefer micro atx.
Also would prefer if case was under $150 and readily available.

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What's the scoop on this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toshiba-HK3R-series-THNSNJ480PCS3-480GB-SSD-2-5-6Gb-s-SATA-NEW-/201565582413?hash=item2eee3eb44d:g:WFgAAOSwZ8ZW33OF

480 GB 1 DWPD enterprise drive new for $130 if you lowball him. Has anyone here bought a similar item and found it to have logged SMART hours?

Looking to finally upgrade my rig's ram from 8 to 32, running ASUS Z87-Pro mobo which supports DDR 2933 (OC).

Anyone got any recommended kits?

Anyone else a procrastinator?

>want to build around a specific component or peripheral (monitor, mostly)
>start researching
>way too many options
>end up not buying any parts and buy a new car instead

I want to make a computer so badly. But this shit is driving up my anxiety.

>>56963926
You what?

Nowadays it's a completely smooth and banal process. It is a flat landscape in terms of value for money, with nil standout features.

>>56962424
950? 370/470?

>>56953125
> ips glow
> dpi seemed a bit high
Nigga what are you talking

>>56958886
Additional fans, maybe, don't know how many are preinstalled, but don't switch them out. BeQuiet fans are good.

>>56960220
I hope you have a 1440p display, otherwise you wasted a stupid amount of money.

>>56961660
Sounds like a bad mobo to me.

>>56963696
Ended up choosing Kingston Savage 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 kit, as 2133mhz or higher would have used more voltage than 1.5v (my CPU is i7-4770k).

Unless someone has any better ideas I'll be buying that later.

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>>56951245
just bought a Cooler Master Trooper case ... did I do good?

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>>56964444
oh shit I got quads its a sign

I have a relative that's coming back from US soon, and he said that he will bring me some GPU as long as i have the money for it.
So, /g/,
XFX fury x for 350, 1070 for 389, or just get rx 480 and some fancy RAMs?

>>56964518
Get the 1070

>>56959952
Adata make reliable drives. Go for it

>>56964017

Even with all the nifty compatibility filters, I still end up going from one component to the next, saying "oh i like this" "I like this better." "oh I can save on this but it doesn't have this."

i want to die

>>56964444
>>56964499
>quads
>double dubs
IT'S HIM!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4afOMEJvLM

>>56960900
Anyone help me out here with this?

>>56965717
You should have checked if the case meets your requirements before buying it, now deal with it.

>>56965717
Return either the card or the case

>>56964518
Depends, 480 is a better value, but the 1070 will lasr you longer. Either of those

>>56963926
Monitor?

>>56962424
Wait few days for the GTX 1050

i know that you can run a dual socket motherboard with just one cpu in it, but after you get the second cpu what do you do?
Do you just pop it in there and boom double the cpu power? or what
should I plan for something else I would have to do to?
I'm asking because im upgrading to a dual socket setup in the next week or 2 and I cant afford both the cpu's right now, but i will be able to next week after I get paid, so I wanted to know if i could just buy the cpu then and put it in after

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>>56963461
Do you lads think that this a genuine S.M.A.R.T table for an enterprise SSD, or has it been flashed to sell as new?

I lost my cool and canceled the order.

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>tfw the new motherboard arrived
>tfw the only wifi card I have is PCI but the mobo has zero PCI slots
I don't want to run cables across the house.

>>56966409

ASUS ROG SWIFT PG278Q 27"

I just want a rig that can:

a.) play at the full potential of the monitor
b.) Stream on twitch (Will downscale)
c.) Have a second monitor (Some cheap shit that I can keep track of my stream and masturbate whilst gaming (stream is always off when I do that.)

I want to OC a 6850k to ~4.3ghz to support this setup and my needs.

>>56966652
There's an adapter for that.

>>56966652

>not wanting ethernet speeds
>not willing to drill a few holes to run cable

enjoy your wireless, homo

how do rams work boys? Can I just stick any brand ram aslong my motherboard supports the speed?

>>56966770
Google it yourself you lazy fuck, now get out.

>>56966788
google is blocked in my country

Does anyone know how tall the heat spreaders are on the G. Skill Ripjaw V ram are?

>>56966770
As long as it is the right type of RAM, yes. DDR3 sticks cannot be used on DDR4 mobo and so on. You don't even need to have the right speed, your motherboard will automatically underclock any ram that is too fast for it to handle.

>>56966816
>what is proxy
>what is VPN
>Google is the only search engine

>>56966845
thanks, gonna go from 1300 to 1866 DDR3

>>56966841
>Height 42 mm / 1.65 inch
Woah, the official site had full specs list. Who knew?

>>56966882

>DDR3

Hi, grandpa.

>>56966914
still rocking my amd senpai

>>56952481
>>56952509
Pros don't encode h264 on anything but cpu.

Ok, i'm a fucking idiot who bought a gaming laptop because I used to travel a lot. Now I don't. It works well, but I regret not building my own PC instead since it's more satisfying and easily upgradeable.

Specs on the laptop are:
>Intel Core i7-4720HQ Quad Core Processor (6M Cache, 2.6GHz-3.6GHz)
>32GB RAM DDR3 1600MHz
>250GB Solid State Drive + 1TB 5400rpm Hard Disk Drive
>NVIDIA GeForce GTX 965M 2GB

I was thinking of selling it for around $800-$900 and just using to money to build and equivalent PC (or perhaps better) that I can upgrade in the future as needed. My ideal situation was to build an equivalent PC and perhaps coming out with a little bit extra, but I doubt it.

What do you think?
Do you think that would be possible to build an equivalent or better PC if I were to sell the laptop? Or should I just keep it and live with my shitty choice?

>>56966981
Noone is going to pay you 800 USD for that laptop. Not anymore.

>>56967209
You'd be surprised at the retards who will buy gaming laptops, myself included

>>56959559
Sorry mate but this is pure shit, it really shows you have no idea what you're doing.

>>56967263
Retards buy new products, they don't go on to the second hand market because they are too retarded.

plz respond i want to die

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pcpartpicker dont have all of my parts... so

https://www.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/4200fe2217952353188655893301762534610bc52eaff94b8e3

4 gaming
any suggestions? is the mobo ok or crap?

>>56967327
no

>>56958886
Swap the GPU for an MSI 1080 GTX Gaming Z, better clock speeds and can also OC more.

>>56967356
You'd get better performance out of i3 6320 than that slow i5 and you'll save some nerdbucks for junk food or future upgrades.

>b-but muh cores
If you're planning on gaymin then that doesnt matter. You'll need very well multithreaded applications to make that i5 better than fast i3.

>>56967356
>DDR3-1600
Really?

>>56967447
thx, i was a littlebit unsure becouse logical increments suggested i5 for 1060

>>56967356
>Gainward GPU
No, get an MSI/Gigabyte/Asus
>6400
No, get a 6500, the standard and boost clock speeds suck on the 6400
>DDR3 RAM
Are you retarded? This motherboard needs DDR4 RAM
>Seagate
You could do better by getting a WD Blue. Im not gonna recommend HGST because probably wont fit your budget.
>H110 motherboard
Get a H170, H110 are gimped boards
>430 watts
This is probably too little, get around 500/550

>>56967495
i5 is 65W and 1060 is 120W. The entire system probably doesn't pull more than 300W.

>>56967495
>Im not gonna recommend HGST because probably wont fit your budget.
7200 TPM 2TB HGST HDD is $50 new

>Get a H170, H110 are gimped boards
H170 is unnecessay unless he's going to multiGPU. B150 is better because it's got 4 RAM slots.

>>56967495
>MSI
MSI is a fucking meme. If you want quality, you should buy EVGA or Galax.

What's the most cost efficient build you can make? Trying to make a decent gaming machine. Thanks for the help in advance.

>>56967495
There's nothing wrong with Gainward and i'd rather have a Gainward than a MSI card.

>>56967562
It won't leave any room for potential upgrades in the future, saves a lot of effort and money to just get bit more now than later.


>>56967589
And where exactly do you see that drive in that German store? The HGST models it does have are expensive.

>>56967589
Yet of all the B150 boards only the MSI ones support DDR4, the Asus/Asrock/Gigabyte boards use DDR3. So unless you're going with an MSI B150 board, which is probably going to cost the same as an Asrock H170 board, you might as well go H170 so you can use DDR4.

>>56967602
>>56967621
>Meme
>Get the best results time and again in tests against other AiBs
>Better standard and overclock speeds
>Great OC potential, along with built in Afterburner profiles for OC

Sure, whatever you sure anons.

>>56967281
"Okay" dead socket lover

>>56967860
>It won't leave any room for potential upgrades in the future, saves a lot of effort and money to just get bit more now than later.

Even with two 1060s there would be headroom for fans and hard drives and shit. It leaves plenty of headroom for any reasonable upgrades that don't involve remaking the system from scratch.

>>56967860
>Get the best results time and again in tests against other AiBs
Citation needed.
>Better standard and overclock speeds
>Gainward: 1847 Mhz (boost) / 1620 Mhz (base)
>MSI: 1809 MHz (boost) / 1594 MHz (base)
http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=988&lang=en
https://msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1060-GAMING-X-6G.html#hero-overview
>Great OC potential, along with built in Afterburner profiles for OC
Other cards have great OC potential and OC tools as well.

>>56967356
Either get the i3 6100 or the i5 6500. The i5 6400 has low single core performance
Switch to B150 mobo
Need DDR4 2133 RAM
Get a PSU with two 6+2 pin PCIe power connectors (>500W)

>>56967860
>And where exactly do you see that drive in that German store?
Not sure about that store, but I'm sure he can find the equivalent somewhere in Der Fahzerlund
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4UM3102206

>>56967860
>Yet of all the B150 boards only the MSI ones support DDR4
No, any LGA 1151 board will support DDR4.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128881&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

>>56967860
MSI is shit bro, they're the worst of the best

>>56967860
ddr4 compatibility is based on the CPU you dipshit

>>56968244
It's based on both. Skylake supports both DDR3 and DDR4, but motherboards generally support only one or the other.

>>56966981
Yeah sell it and get a desktop. http://pcpartpicker.com/list/D8DMCy
Can drop to an i3 if you're cheap / planning to upgrade the CPU soon.

>>56966770
Check memory support lists. Also update your BIOS

>>56966722
Wait for the 1080Ti coming in January.

>>56968281
No, they support DDR4 ONLY or they support BOTH DDR3 and 4

>>56968281
They support one (the new one) or both, not one or the other

I just builded a computer based on Logical Increments, but I want to known if I can improve or add something. I can't put too much money more into to the build now, though.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/PPvK7h

>>56968430
>builded
http://www.writingenglish.com/cverbs/build.htm
Either get a 6600K build with 3000RAM and Z170, or drop to a 6500 and go with 2133RAM and H170. Get a cheaper case, you don't need a full tower.

>>56968473
>save 20$ by buying an obsolete socket instead of the socket that will have the next release of CPUs next year

>>56968430
Drop to i5 6500 or get a cooler for the i5 6600, otherwise you won't be able to maintain the boost clockspeed for long. Personally I'd get the 6500 and upgrade to the i7 6600K in two years
Get an HGST 2TB 7200 RPM HDD
A 1070 is too much for 1080p 60Hz, get a 1060.

>>56968492
>i have no clue
Dumby

>>56968517
Tell me why the h is better than a z170

I'll wait all day you brain dead faggot.

>>56968492
Z170 and H170 are both socket 1151 you retarded fuck. Now get out, this is a technology board.
>>>/b/

>>56968517
>a 1070 is too much for 1080p 60Hz
Not with the latest Microsoft games optimization abomination horizon bringing your frames down under 3

>>56968558
>wowowow it's the same goy you just can't use skylake architecture to it's actual potential
>you saved 20$ to neuter your build completely and have to upgrade mobo later anyway

Epic advice.

>>56968573
Absolute autism. Get out you tech illiterate retard.

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>>56968599
>can't even partially justify his retarded "Advice"
>resorts to ad hominems

Glad to see you're okay with neutering builds to have people buy outdated mobos.

Now stop giving people advice.

>>56968611
>doesn't know the basics
>sour because he got told
>frogposter
>>>/b/

>>56968611
He's 100% right though, you shouldn't buy an old gen mobo brand new, especially when it includes better features than last gen (unlike Kaby lake)

>>56968611
Oh wait you think H170 is a different socket than Z170? And you're trying to get a non-k CPU for your Z170?
Now that's silly

>>56968473
I kind of like how that case looks, but I am a little limited in space in my desk so I could look for a smaller one. If I want to replace some parts in the future, like the CPU. That Mobo is going to keep up?

>>56968517
Should drop the SSD for the cooler or just upgrade the CPU, with a cooler later? Should I go for what LI recommends? a 212 EVO.

>>56968881
>just upgrade the CPU, with a cooler later
The latter. Definitely get the SSD. So you're looking at the i5 6500 and a Z170 (so that you can upgrade to an unlocked i7 in like two years)

>>56968881
>I kind of like how that case looks
If you insist on that case, take a look at the Enthoo Pro M. It's more or less the same case, but smaller:
http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Pro-M.html

>If I want to replace some parts in the future, like the CPU
Yes. If you want to upgrade a Z170 mobo is the better choice. I'd probably go with the Z170-K instead of the Z170-P, though.

>>56967495
>>56967621
>>56967860
>>56968086
>>56968220
Now I'mconsidering the gtx1060 mini-itx
U got any experience with that?
->more Room in little case=better cooling ect.?

>>56969014
> Enthoo Pro M
I didn't know about this. Thanks a lot

>I'd probably go with the Z170-K instead of the Z170-P, though.
It's a little more expensive, but why is it better?

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>>56969149
forgot pic

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>>56969192
>>56969192
>>56969192

New thread

>>56969149
>gtx1060 mini-itx
Only get this card if you're going with an ITX build. The other cards are more performant and probably cooler as well, since they feature a much bigger heatsink. Standard sized cards, even the big ones, don't restrict airflow.

>>56969149
>>56969163
It's fine but you might want a blower style gfx card to directly vent the hot air, otherwise your cooling or intake / exhaust setup won't be any different. If you can fit a bigger card, it's advised to use a card with two fans; a single fan doesn't mean that the card will put out less heat but it might make the GPU run hotter (not that it matters for a cool chip like the 1060).

>>56969154
The K version is basically a slightly better version of the P mobo. P is fine, but if you don't mind a few bucks more, get the K.