/hpg/ - Headphone General

>>56916518
Are there any headphones with extended sub bass and neutral treble? The DT880 are almost perfect if not for the ear raping treble and weakish mid bass

>>56916536
EQ down the treble, nigga.

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>>56916518

>>56916610
me on the right

Still enjoying my based ATH-M50x headphones. Glad I listened to you guys.

bought the akg k72's

Arrived today, they sound like shit, like a have a wet flannel over my ears, all bassy and tinny, vocals sound shitty

Gonna return them and probably just keep resoldering my motorhead phones

Are the sennheiser momentum m2 in ears any good before I bother retrying my crappy soldering?

Can you remove the earpads of the DT770 and wash them without fucking anything up?

I have them for 4 years and the earpads turned black/brown/solid and are filled with earwax

>>56917184
>turned black/brown
hair bleach will turn them white again

>>56917219
I don't mid the color i just want to clean them

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Does the bass mod really change the sound on these, or is it mostly placebo? People say it really gives them a punchy bass and whatever

>>56917325
Why would you want to bass mod? It wrecks the resale value. Buy closed back K550 headphone.

>>56917369
>Why would you want to bass mod?
To get more bass?

I have $70 for a headphone amp. What to choose for a stationary usage?

>>56917443
smsl sap2

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>>56917369
>Buy closed back K550 headphone.
From the graphs those actually look pretty tempting. All the way from the deepest bass to the highest treble, seems pretty smooth I think?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do these look like they're good for EDM and anything that requires a decent ammount of sub bass?

I'm looking for good wireless headphones. Any recommendations?

>Budget
500 euro
>Location
UK
>Source
Bluetooth
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Very comfortable
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral
>Past headphones
B&W P7

>>56917488
>seems pretty smooth
Smoothing the graphs will do that for you.
I happen to think the k550 and derivative models are poor headphones and would take the dt770 over them any day as a V-shape headphone.

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>>56917574
Ah so they're V shapped... I'm trying to avoid V shapped headphones. I've listened to the DT990 before and I can't stand the recessed mids and the ear molesting treble. As far as I know the DT770 is only slightly less sibilant. The goldenears graph are kind of misleading.

In my searches I found the Denon AH-D600, supposed "successor" the the D2000/5000/7000 that so many people seemed to enjoy a few years back. Any idea how they sound? I like my bass (and sub bass) but I also don't mind clean mids and treble ofcourse. That bass bump around 100Hz looks crazy

>>56917629
The real successor to the old Denon line would be the Fostex TH- series and the E-MU Wood series. Reason being that Fostex made those headphones in the first place, Denon just licensed that OEM model, but now Fostex sells different models all based on that original platform.

>>56917657
Yes, I read about that but the Fostex are extremely expensive.

>Budget
$150 CAD
>Location
Canada
>Source
Smartphone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized over-ear
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Not that important, won't be worn for more than 1 hour at a time
>Preferred tonal balance
Scooped, high treble/bass low mids
>Past headphones
Grado SR60e
Sennheiser HD558

thanks!

Are the sennheiser momentum m2's really as good as the reviews say?

I don't want bassy ear phones but want good sound quality and it seems the main selling point of most headphones and IEM's is the >BASS BOOST!

>>56917325
Which mod?

>>56917629
That was a while ago, back when those things were new. I don't really remember, other than that the weren't much like the Foster OEM headphones.
TheFostex-Massdrop thing, THX00, is lower in price. Still not that cheap. The Fostex headphones aren't very closed wrt isolation either, more like semi-closed that lets in sound.

>>56917890
>the main selling point of most headphones and IEM's is the BASS BOOST!
Most in-ear have a bass boost anyway, whether they advertise it or not.
Did Senneheiser have an M2 in ear? I remember both "over ear" Momentums were pretty pissy as far as sound goes.

What's the advantage of getting the o2+odac over Fiio E10K other than more power?

Do they sound different?

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Reposting from last thread
>Budget
Less than 100 CAD
>Location
Canada
>Source
PC
>Preferred type
Over ear headset preferably
>Comfort level
comfy
>Past Headphones
Used to use some nice sennheisers, since then I've been bouncing between gifted headsets of the sub 50 dollar range. Currently wearing sades SA-708. Had a pair of Turtle Beach Z22's which weren't bad but ran into build quality and driver issues.
Have a green grill as tribute.

>>56918073
>Do they sound different?
If the e10k is capable of powering a pair without clipping and enough loudness than no. If you're talking about planar magnetics that's a different story and the o2 is recommended

>>56916822
I told you, but you didn't listen. Try K240, they are rather good and cost like only 15-20$ more.

>Budget
$150
>Location
US
>Source
Computer
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfortable enough to have them on for long periods of time.
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral
>Past headphones
Some skullcandy earbuds I got as a gift.

I don't know much about headphones any help would be very appreciated.

>>56916536
V-Modas

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>>56918492
Fostex T40RP MK3

>>56918494
Those look overly bassy. How about the D600s?

>>56918546
Thanks!

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Is this snakeoil? I want to buy one.

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>>56919985
Or do I go with something cheaper?

>>56917325
Get K712 / K7XX pads if you want bass on those.

Stock earpads are shit and don't seal well.

>>56919985
>>56920045
Why are you even considering it?

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Price
>60
Location
>US
Source
>PC
Preferred type of headphone
>Full-size
>Open or closed
>Closed
Past headphones
>hd 202

>>56920287
>Why are you even considering it?
Because someone said it was better than using Optical to USB.

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>>56920045
Or do I go with something expensive?

Are they all snakeoil?

>>56920603
>snakeoil
99% sure they are, tell us your use case scenario

>>56917184
Yes.

>>56917562
Consider Bose noise cancelling wireless or Sennheiser Momentum.

>>56917740
DT770 80 ohm

>>56918156
HyperX Cloud

>>56918492
MDR-V6 or MDR-7506.

>>56920351
M30x or HD419

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>>56920732
>tell us your use case scenario
Because I'm thinking about buying a cheap SPDIF to USB before (pic related). Someone said >>56920381

>>56920883
Won't benefit you.

>>56920878
>80 ohm


Why fuck?

>>56920963
what's wrong with the 80 ohm, it's easy to power, is it significantly more expensive in your 3rd world country?

>>56920878
>>56921018
>DT770 80 ohm
it's 250 bucks here

>>56921181
M50x then. Surely it isn't 250 bucks.

>>56920603
do you have stutter? get a usb hub and run dac through it it should fix it
or better motherboard will do the same

>>56917184 here, cleaning them didnd't fixed the leather becoming hard and fucking up my ears


Any experience with chink earpad replacement?

https://aliexpress.com/store/product/Ear-pads-earpad-cushion-for-Beyerdynamic-DT770-DT880-DT990-DT-770-headphoneFree-shipping-alistore/1146389_32549420237.html


Should I go with this one or there is any better option?

Looking for some on the go headphones, for long rides and work.

>Budget
$125 USD or 1000 NOK
>Location
Norway
>Source
Smartphone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized over-ear
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Important
>Preferred tonal balance
Warm, all round. I don't have much experience to describe this very well.

Thank you!

>>56921293
>get a usb hub and run dac through it it should fix it or better motherboard will do the same
Done reading through this. It's convincing.
http://archimago.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/measurements-usb-hubs-and-8khz-phy.html

>>56921627
it's 12 burgers, not a big risk
>>56921761
HD419 or HD451

>>56922028
Well, will buy them and report back when I get them

Are there any high level audio quality in ear monitors without bass boost and just a flat response?

Had over ears before and loved them but they were really tight which made them nice for using at uni but want something a bit smaller

Budget is about £70-£100 in uk

>>56922197
Etymotic HF5 or MK5.

>>56922214
Thanks will look into them

>>56922214
HF5 is darker, response similar to that of the ER-4PT.

>>56922214
They have a frequency response of 15Hz to 15KHz, will that affect listening to songs at higher frequencies much or are most songs below that?

>>56922247
...and MK5 is less sensitive. Pick your poison.
>>56922325
Etymotic doesn't overstate specs like most manufacturers do. Most music falls within that range.

>>56922358
Ok, planning to listen to stuff like Motorhead, Eurobeat and anime songs, also some older stuff like drifters and Roy Orbison

>>56922376
They'll do fine. More than fine.

>>56922376
It's essentially this, Etymotic makes the flattest IEMs but they deviate from perfection a bit.

The MK5 is flatter than the HF5 but the treble response is a bit harsh and it's harder to driver.

The HF5 is less neutral, has a smoother treble response, and easier to driver.

Personally I think the HF5 is better but some will disagree.

>>56922411
Coming to disagree with you. I prefer the MK5 response and form factor over HF5. Then again I'm used to really neutral signature which many people find a little bright. The differences between them aren't monumental anyway and for whatever kind of music listening both are great.

>Budget
100$. Flexible
>Location
Sweden
>Source
Computer
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed preferably, but I wouldn't open if it meant better sound.
>Comfort level
I don't want to compromise too much.
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral to bassy.
>Past headphones
AKG 518LE. Good, neutral sound. Need something clearer and louder though, especially on the lower register. The cord is way, waaay too short though and that has caused me some problems.

>>56922596
>"I wouldn't open"
I meant to write "I wouldn't mind open"

>>56922214
How do those compare to the HiFiMan RE400?

>>56922596
HD558

>>56922739
Destroys it.

But a real neutral signature is not for all, RE-400 has a bit of a warm tone to it.

>>56921860
question is if you can hear that 8khz or not
~-100db is impossible to notice for me

only actual good thing hub can do it not starve usb only powered dac
most modern boards don't as is though

>>56922739
In addition to what the anon before me said, Ety's require deep insertion and that isn't for everyone either. Some find it uncomfortable. Sound wise I don't think there's any comparison, Etys win.

Damm, headphone newbie here, there's literally a fucking ton of information in the pastebins and the installgentoo wiki. I just want some comfy and nice quality headphones for my daily commuter. Price range under $40

>>56922841
fill out the form kiddo

>>56922739
RE400 upper range(basically everything above 1khz) is further reduced compared to HF5.
Durability is quite lacking on RE400, flange tips are nice and supple. Earpiece body does not readily permit deep fit. Less isolation than Etys, somewhat middling isolation aside from large biflange.

>>56922744
> neutral to bassy

>>56922988
HD558 falls in the neutral part :^)

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Ok, not sure if this is the right thread, but I bought myself bose companions III and they have a jack socket in them. If I plug my headphones into them (I don't want to listen to Death Grips at 3am outloud), will the audio quality be lower, than while plugging the headphones right into my computer?

>>56922935
Are you sure they are flatter? Just looked at some frequency response graphs for both and the RE400 seems flatter.
How would you compare those to the mc5? The hf5 might be too expensive for me to buy now.

>>56917472
Someone know what output impedance it have?

>>56923206
MC5 isn't worth it, outdated design.

MK5 is better.

http://www.e-infin.com/ww/item/2432/akg_k712_pro_reference_studio_headphones

Anyone ever bought from these guys? They're selling K712's for only $238.

>>56923258
The thing is I don't have access to the mk5, that's why I ask.

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Is impedance a meme? What is the difference between a 32 ohm and a 300 ohm headphone other than lack of hissing?

>>56923738
might have answered but you couldnt have picked a worse way to ask. fuck off. and no, hissing has nothing to do with it.

>>56923010
The bass isn't too muddy or quiet, I hope?

>>56923738
The higher the impedance the harder it's to drive, however the HifiMan HE400i at 35ohms are harder to drive than the DT880s at 250ohms :^)

impedance is a meme

>>56923812
It's neutral, neutral means it's adequate in balance

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>Budget
100 euros top
>Location
Finland
>Source
Usb port on my case, no fancy soundcards or anything
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Doesnt really matter that much

A headset will do just fine. I dont feel like fucking around with mics anymore, they have caused more trouble than they are worth lately. The looks dont matter, as long as they function well enough and the mic isnt complete garbage in the headset. Im very out of touch with the current headset market and the sheer amount of headsets is blowing my mind.
Help a dummy out.

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Denon-AH-D2000-KOPFHORER-SCHWARZ-DENON-AHD2000-HEADPHONE-EINWANDFREI-3-5-MM-/222257077823?hash=item33bf8dde3f:g:Db0AAOSw8gVX4mvy

> tfw these are the only ones left (in ebay eu)

Just kill me. Why are the Fostex 600s so damn expensive

Are the Denon D600s similar to these or what?

>Budget
130€
>Location
Yurop
>Source
Amp/DAC combo
>Preferred type of headphone
Over-ear
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Pretty comfy
>Preferred tonal balance
V-shaped, however I'm willing to try something new if necessary.
>Past headphones
ATH-M50's, DT 770 250 Ohm's

I recently had to refund my DT 770's because the right speaker started rattling, apparently because hair can easily get stuck on the speaker diaphragm. And from a quick search on google I can see it's a common issue, so I'd rather not get another pair and have it happen again. I don't want another pair of ATH-M50, because they don't fit my ear shape. The DT 770's were perfect comfort-wise.

Hey, I want linear headphones and I originally wanted to buy the k701 but then heard that the bass on them is kind of low. What do you think? Do you know better linear headphones within the price range of 140-170€ ? Oh and the source would be a behringer uphoria umc202hd

>>56924068
neutral also "means" that the sub bass is audible and present because, you know, neutral otherwise it's just a mid centric headphone

>>56924584
The best bet for linear around that price is probably the 558, but even those have very mild sub bass. Hell, even the big brothers 600/650 have mild sub bass unless you EQ those regions. The K701/702 are definitely bight headphones, not neutral tbqfh

>>56920878
>HyperX Cloud
They look pretty nice. Thanks.

>>56924682
But the graph doesn't really look like they are that bright, there's just a spike. Well, how are the 558s compared to the k701s specs-wise? Are they any worse?

>>56923738
higher impedance should theoretically be better as there will be a stronger magnetic field (higher impedance uses more coils of thinner wire)

>>56924922
>>56920878
>Braided Cables
>Audio control box
>Comes in white
>You can replace the wire and mic seperately
Fucking hell lad, this is great!

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> buy a pair of Grado headphones as a treat for myself

> never use them

What's wrong with me? Also what's the opinion of Beats headphones? Good/Bad/Apple?

>>56925080
if you want beats, try inserting a whisk in your ears you'll get the same sound.

>>56923206
>Just looked at some frequency response graphs for both and the RE400 seems flatter.
Goldenears?
>How would you compare those to the mc5?
MC5 has a fatter barrel, makes it harder to fit. Sensitivty is higher than MK5 mostly.
MC5 generally supplanted by MK5.

>>56924584
Engineers and scientists might have a somewhat different view of what "linear" means compared to the layperson. That could mean anything that doesn't distort and described by an impulse nicely.

>>56924998
>higher impedance should theoretically be better as there will be a stronger magnetic field (higher impedance uses more coils of thinner wire)
Not entirely consistent with physics.

>>56925253
I am talking about the frequency response graph. In German you don't really call that flat but linear. Just replace it with "flat": I want flat headphones. ( that sounds stupid btw )

>>56924326
The gamer headset market is moving away from USB, do you really need USB?

>>56924330
D600 is completely different.

>>56924341
DT250 80 ohm, flat response, doesn't have the problem that DT770 suffers with because of the hair.

>>56924584
You can do better, the HD558 is more neutral than the K701 and it's far cheaper and has lacks the sealing issue present on the K701.

>>56924640
HD558 has audible sub-bass in case you were implying it didn't. And no, it's not mid-centric.

>>56924682
Why do people stroke their dicks over sub-bass extension here so much? Many top tier monitors and bookshelf speakers can't do bass like some open dynamic headphones, they are fine in this regard. K701 and K702 has adequate sub-bass once a proper seal is achieved.

>>56925127

Got into an argument with a wigger at work about Beats shit. Which made me curious. He was insisting the pieces of plastic readily available at Walmart are quality headphones. So certain in fact, he made me second guess Etonics, Sennheiser, & my Grados.

>>56925369
>D600 is completely different.
But are they worth it?

>>56925369
Alright, I am >>56924584 .
Well since the price on the HD558s is not much lower than on the K701s (in my country it's about a difference of 15€), which would be better then? And also, I took a look on the HD598s, which only cost about 160€ for me, how about those?

>>56925557
Dunno, but it hasn't achieved popularity like the D2000 had. Maybe not.

>>56925565
HD558 and HD598 are literally the same thing, HD558 has a piece of foam inside the unit that supposedly makes it sound less open and removing this foam turns it into a HD598, some who even removed the foam said they don't even hear a difference.

I guess you can consider it down to aesthetics.

>>56917325
yes it does, but it also makes the upper mids/treble a bit less even. personally I find my q701 bassy and punchy enough with eq. and as another anon said, swapping for k7xx/k712 pads increases the bass as well, though like the bassport mod measurements suggest that the q701/k701/k702 are all more even in response, though they're less warm. k-series measurements are something of a toss-up though. I still plan to get a k712 some time and a/b against my q701 to see just how big the difference is with eq on/off

>>56925634
And overall, would you say the HD558 are better than the K701 (not for the price, but performace)?

>>56925694
Yes, only advantage I can think of the K701 are the tightly matched drivers.

>>56925711
Nice, thank you

>>56922841
save up for hd419 or hd451.

>>56925369
Well I dont necessarily need an USB, I just kind of expected that to be the most common way of plugging headsets.

>>56925881
The most common headset recommended here is the HyperX Cloud. Really safe buy.

>>56925253
Yes, Golden Ears. Why?
The mc5 is half the price of the hf5

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>Budget
$50
>Location
US of A
>Source
Xbox one and PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Needs a mic
>Open or closed
closed preferably but idc
>Comfort level
as long as it doesnt hurt
>Preferred tonal balance
idc but bassy is nice
>Past headphones
Only one worth mentioning is my old Turtle Beach PLA that I got for my Ps4 before it took a shit

>>56925327
>In German you don't really call that flat but linear.
In English, linear has multiple related definitions used in a somewhat similar context.

HD558 snd variants aren't really flatter, but a different set of coloration.
K612 is flatter than 701 anyway.

If all else fails, EQ solves it.

>>56926024
Would you say that the K612 Pro are better than HD558s as another anon suggested?

>>56925903
Alrighty then. Ordered those. Thanks family man

Finally got my Superlux HD381F. These are pretty good so far. Less disappointing than Xiaomeme Hybrid IEM. However, a bit sibilant. Some reviews state that the sibilance goes after burn-in time (and I am a believer in burn-in). We shall see.

Bass is very very well controlled and has superb presence, I mean seriously the whole "front row" effect touted on the box is not bullshit. Nice mids too. Just slightly too-sibillant highs. I hope that goes away, harsh highs ruin an IEM for me.

>>56926159
Different anon, but I think the 612 are really bad in comparison to either. I owned both the 612 and 702 and the 702 is miles ahead of the 612. So in my opinion the 558 is far better than the 612

>>56926368
Thank you for your input, this is why I love /hpg/. Pretty sure I am going to buy the HD 558 or the 598 ( considering 598 because they look very good)

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Out of the following, which of these headphones are the best for isolation and have the best sound quality:

Sennheiser HD 380
Shure 840
Sony MDR 7506
Audio-Techina ATH-M40x


I am mainly going to be listening to music or movies while on the bus on train so portability will also be a factor.

>>56926414
Another opinion here, K612 is more neutral than the HD558/HD598 but it has two problems, it's inefficient and it doesn't seal well on some heads.

>>56926434
best sq: 7506 > 840 > m40x
can't give you accurate results for isolation but the 840 and m40x should isolate better than the sony

haven't tried the 380 but the 280 is top tier for isolation but the comfort bothers me

>>56926791
Tbh with you, the fact of them being neutral doesn't even matter that much. I just want somewhat neutral headphones, if I wanted the most linear headphones, I would spend more money. I read that the k612 is still brighter than the 558, which isn't really good since I don't like too much treble.
The only real reason I wanted them to be flat is to make changes to the sound (with an equalizer e.g more bass in hiphop, less bass in jazz) easier

>>56925972
I/We haven't been telling you to get the HF5, look at the MK5 instead.
There are also alternatives to the HF5, the Sony XBA-100 as an example.

>>56926159
>>56926368
612 is insensitive, forgot to mention.

>I owned both the 612 and 702
So have I.
>and the 702 is miles ahead of the 612.
There are been dozens of headphones with high and significantly audible distortion I have heard. Hundreds more with lousy balance.
I can't really think of headphones I've ever thought of as miles ahead of competitor headphones. If it was starkly better, it was really because the headphone in comparison was really, really bad. I don't think the k612 or the hd558/598 are terrible, even if I don't like listen stock.

>>56926791
>coupling
Don't see a reason to say that.

>>56926900
If you're EQing the HD5xx is better because you'll have more headroom with them being easier to power and it delivers a more consistent seal on the head.

>>56926904
>coupling
what?

>>56926823
Thx m8

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interesting conclusion...

>Budget
$600
>Location
Norway.
>Source
PC.
>Preferred type of headphone
Over-ear.
>Open or closed
Open.
>Comfort level
Little/no discomfort with 6+ hour use.
>Past headphones
HD650 (left driver fucked).

Should I just get another pair of HD650s?

>>56927141
>PC.
More specifically FiiO E9+E7 combo.

>>56925025
>audio control box
What
Do you mean the 7.1 surround adapter?
If so, don't use it. The virtual surround sucks for some reason. Just use Dolby's virtual surround.

>>56927141
>>56927152
https://amzn.com/B00004T8R2

>>56927141
Why not buy a left driver?

Those are serviceable headphones.

>>56926904
Yes, I know, but hf5 are very expensive and can't access the mk5.
Proportionally speaking, the mc5 cost 4, the re400 cost 6, and the hf5 cost 10.

>>56927343
One does not simply buy a driver. I'm not him. But don't you need a pair of "matched" drivers?

>>56927514
I think a pair's around 100USD.

Thinking of buying a pair of MDR V6 for home/portable use. How hard would it be to mod it for a removable cable?

>>56928369
gotta view a guide and decide for yourself

>>56918073
FiiO sounds the same but it's cheaply made garbage.

>>56927481
Don't like mc5's barrels, re400 isn't neutral and the build is questionable.

Tough choice.

I have the DT770 but I was thinking about getting opens. Is the AKG K7XX any good? Massdrop is doing some kind of collab with them so they are only $200.

>Budget
$200ish
>Location
Burgerland
>Source
Phone/PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfy. Something I can get velour earpads for
>Preferred tonal balance
bassy af
>Past headphones
MDR-V6

>>56929291
DT770 Pro 80 ohm.
>>56929277
It's alright.

>>56929301
What over-ear opens would you recommend?

>>56929316
HD558, K612, DT880, SHP9500.

>>56926904
I've never heard of the Sony xba-100. They are 70 on Amazon, how does the sound compare to the ety mk5 and re-400? Personally not a fan of the deep insertion of etymotics, and the re-400's build quality is turning me off. Doesn't seem to be much else in the sub-100 price range for neutral/balanced iems. I'm a different anon than who you were responding to btw

>>56929499
>he doesn't like deep insertion

what are you gay?

Hey I wanted to know what the best headphones for producing music would be...

>Budget
around $100
>Location
USA
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
I'm assuming closed would be best for producing
>Comfort level
the more comfy the better
>Preferred tonal balance
assuming neutral would be best for production

Was also wondering if anyone could recommend a solid microphone for recording, around $100 if possible

>>56929604
mdr-7506

usb mic?

>>56929643
yeah a usb mic and thanks

>>56929659
yeti or at2020usb

>>56929400
Beyerdynamic DT 880 Premium 250 ohm? Sound good?

I love the 770, so I guess I'm a Beyerdynamic whore.

>>56929880
>Beyerdynamic DT 880 Premium 250 ohm? Sound good?
Yep.

>Budget
75 to 150 freedom bucks, extremely flexible so
>Location
freedom land
>Source
mostly smartphone/portable player
>Preferred type of headphone
prefer open, but looking for closed iem's
>Open or closed
^
>Comfort level
good enough for 1 or 2 hours at a time. I'm more concerned about them staying put while moving around
>Preferred tonal balance
dunno
>Past headphones
currently use sennheiser hd 558 and have no complaints about how they sound. I need something smaller when I'm out and about though, and something closed so I don't have my shit blasting for everyone around.

>>56925634
Not him, but how easy would it be to replace the earpads on the 558?

>>56930464
Replacing pads on 5xx series is easy as fuck.

>>56930283
M40x with a pad change [velour or lambskin]

>>56929604
MDR 7506

>Budget
40$ hard
>Location
USA
>Source
LG G4 my laptop
>Preferred type of headphone
I'm looking for a new pair of iems
>Open or closed
N/a
>Comfort level
Pretty comfy since I'll be using them for long stretches at a time
>Preferred tonal balance
Something bassy with a lot of punch
>Past headphones
Xiaomi piston 3 I really liked these and the android controls were amazing to have and I swapped the ear tips for triple flanges and I still have a few sets
Meelectronics I forgot which one though
Etymotic me4s triple flange tips are great

>>56931132
If you're okay with over ear loop type IEMs, then Senfer UES would be your best bet. Bass is incredibly controlled, but still highly present, which is rare in a lot of IEMS. They use the same connector as Shure IEMs, so cable replacement is ez.

>>56916628
I just bought these today and they sound hardly different from my Sennheiser HD280 Pros that I've had for almost a year now. Are my ears retarded or is there really just not much difference?

if i play a flac on my computer without any audio equipment and using my brainwaves hm5

and then play the same flac on my sansaclip + with rockbox and a chinese sd card also using my hm5

will the audio quality be the same?

>>56931423
>will the audio quality be the same?
Yes?

Sansa Clip measures flat and any decent onboard should too. The HM5 has a relatively flat impedance curve so it should generally be unaffected by high output impedance, which your mobo might happen to have.

>>56923256
>Minimum load impedance 8 Ohm
or so they say, meaning it's 0.1ohm? i'd bet on 0.5-1ohm.
english reviews of this thing are terrible, i've read some russian with proper measurements they say it goes for low impedance headphones just fine
it has quality japan made stuff inside even on the knob which is amazing for THIS cheap of an amp
some even say it sounds as good as o2

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>Budget
50-75$
>Location
US
>Source
Phone, laptop with dac
>Preferred type of headphone
Iem
>Comfort level
Comfy.
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral to bassy just nothing too bright. Something fun to listen through.
>Past headphones
Kz ate - fucking love these but aren't the most comfy
Porta pros- also live these but don't like everyone hearing what I'm listening to.

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Axel "The sound is a little better" Grell saving the thread.

AKG K702 or Sennheiser HD 598

>>56934815
HD600 > 702 > 558 > 598

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I got the AKG K702's, I like how detailed they are, but they sound a bit too harsh.
I read that after a bit of usage/burn in they mellow out. Is this true, or should I just replace them and get something else?

>>56935192
"burn in" is a meme. It's basically the headphone and pads getting less stiff on your head and your brain getting used to the sound

>>56927343
Ordered some replacements, I still have about $500, any recommendations for a dac and amp to replace my FiiO setup?

>>56935449
The ones that everyone always recommends: ODAC+O2 or Schiit stack

>>56935449
Fiio E10K is same as the O2+ODAC.
Same Chip but amp would make it louder.

No point in upgrading if your happy with volume.

>>56935462
Any preference for the HD650? I might consider getting a b-stock element for the looks since I've heard it has the same innards as the o2+odac.

>>56935500
I got the old E7 / E9 combo, don't know if those have the same chip as the 10k.

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>>56935544
http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/05/fiio-e7-usb-dac-amp.html

20hz to 20khz graph in the link is flat. No human can hear below 20hz. Should sound the same as Fiio E10k.

I'm thinking of getting a set of Porta Pros but I'm concerned about the sound leakage for using them in public.

Is there a set like the PPs but with closed back/better isolation?

>>56936041
Sennheiser PX200-ii

>>56936053
Yeah, I did hear about those, do they compete in terms of sound and build quality?

>>56936087
Yeah. They seem good like the Porta Pro. Google PX200-ii review. No idea on build quality.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/KossPortaPro.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserPX200IIi.pdf

>>56935760
>No human can hear below 20hz
Not true but you can question its importance in any content you play through your system.

>>56916518
Need an external AMP/DAC for my GT 990 600 OHM, anyone? $200-$350

>>56936323
Sorry, I meant DT 990

>>56936323
just go for default magni 2 + modi
get magni uber if you think normal is not enough

or you can try smsl va2+sanskrit
anything in $200 category will sound the same

>>56936366
>>56936384
Shit nevermind, that's not good for 600 ohm version. Thought I read 250

does anyone have measurements of hd600 with fiio e10k?
I can simply get a smsl sap VI if it doesn't work properly or sap II
it's a pain in the neck to find cheap decent amp

>>56936447
>does anyone have measurements of hd600 with fiio e10k?
That would measure identically compared anything with even decently low output impedance which in other words means any site that measures headphones.

>>56936447
E10k measures flat, has a low output impedance and more than enough power for the HD600 given that you aren't doing any heavy EQing and adding preamp. Therefore it is good enough.

What about the Micca Origen?

>>56936590
for 600 ohm? I think any usb wouldn't be enough

>>56936534
What do you consider heavy EQing with preamp?

>>56936815
Like increasing [insert number]hz by 20db and adjusting preamp accordingly or something ridiculous.

>>56936945
I thought 8dB was already agressive

>>56936959
HD600 is relatively sensitive and can be turned up to permanent hearing damage levels, so even with whatever preamp, as long as it isn't full on retardo mode, it should still be fine.

>>56916610
Only Linus knows the truth

HD558 or HD598 and why?

They both cost the same on amazon.co.uk

>>56923738
The lower the resistance the less resistance to good beats

You don't want your headphones resisting good sound

>>56937503
They are the same, same driver, same general materials, same construction, with the foam mod you can actually get the exact same sound, so all you are left is with looks, pic whatever one you find to look better.
Also worth mentioning that, if you are the kind of guy who sells your stuff later, the HD598 has better resell value online, since not everyone is willing to do the mod and/or buy modded headphones.

What are some decent-ish earbuds for listening music on my phone? I'd use them on my daily commute, and I don't have any space to store headphones, so only earbuds would work. Any suggestions?

>>56937895
panasonic hje-120k

>>56937942
lmao nice bait, stop trolling a guy just asking for advice

>>56937895
get some of the more expensive ones, believe me, its worht it, i recommend the sennheiser cx3002

>>56937895
If you have the time, look at this thread

http://www.head-fi.org/t/478568/multi-iem-review-352-iems-compared-pump-audio-earphones-added-04-03-16-p-1106

on some days you guys say the akg 550 are shit on some others you recommend them. What are they now? If they're on sale for 40% off, it's safe to buy them or? I don't listen to bass heavy shit

>>56936959
-8 dB on preamp will multiply the voltage required for the same SPL roughly by a factor of 2.5x so yeah it's already something to consider. At 20 dB EQ(gain) adjustments you best be looking for a different pair of headphones already as the starting point for what you want is so far off from the preferred tonality and you'll have to run crazy preamp and use huge output level on the amplifier. Rip ears if you accidentally tick that EQ preset off.

>>56938112
It's never been good.

>>56938112
They are nice if you are one of the people who achieve a good seal on them. Shit if you don't. Without auditioning, don't get them.

>>56938170
Are they V shaped like the DT770?

>>56938108
I really don't I'm studying right now, so it'd be nice to just recommend me a couple in the ~40€ price range, with a good balance, since I listen to a variety of music ranging from electronica to metal, as well as audiobooks.

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>>56938202
V-shaped yes but not like DT 770 and only V-shaped if you get them to seal. If you don't they have no bass at all and sound very bright. Or it could be anything in between. Their earpad adjustment and shape makes leakage much more likely than on most other set of headphones and a problem which is why I recommend you audition them first to see if you like the sound you get with them. This applies to all AKG K55x -series headphones. Pic related, that's a good ~15 dB difference in bass level across different individuals and up to 10 dB on one person depending on how you put them on your head. The first and fourth person from the top have no issues whatsoever getting a good seal. They are inconsistent.

>>56938147
I use flat EQ.

>>56938717
So... not equalizing at all?

If i buy external dac and amp will my motherboard soundcard affect it since sound emmited from it? would an internal sound card make a difference?

>>56938778
it's 2016 you dont need that shit

>>56938818
you are either retarded or trolling, external amp dac make huge difference.

>>56938205
pls respond
>>56938108

>>56938741
yeah, what for?

>>56938778
disable it in bios if you are worried

>>56938778
>If i buy external dac and amp will my motherboard soundcard affect it since sound emmited from it?
If you only get an amplifier, it will affect it. This doesn't mean there's anything audible going on because of it. If you get a DA-converter, they act as discrete sound cards which can still be affected by the motherboard but that's more unlikely. Mainly some terribly noisy/interference prone USB connectors are the problem you are looking for.
>would an internal sound card make a difference?
Sure, relative to the on-board it could be better or worse and in both cases this doesn't mean something will be audibly affected.

>>56938838
>you are either retarded or trolling, external amp dac make huge difference.
Why is it always the same "amp+DAC" dogma? Why is the converter even mentioned? Why external? A discrete and well designed headphone amplifier might make a difference but this is entirely dependent on the load in question as well as the quality of the current on-board solution, too. On-board can be completely free of any audible artifacts or limitations and can also be better than some poorly designed discrete headphone amplifiers. Saying "external amp dac make huge difference" is nothing more than blanket statement which serves only to confuse people.

Is the HD650 easier to drive than the K702

>>56939588
Yes but it's not a huge difference. K702 is slightly less sensitive and due to lower impedance draws more power.

>>56935449
It's pointless to do so.

Let us know how the HD650 repair goes.

>>56934051
The guy who says HD600 is bright yet made HD800.

What a faggot.

>>56937895
earbuds or iems? monk+ for earbuds, piston 3 for iem

>>56936447
After using my HD600 on an E10k, I would probably go with a Schiit stack personally. I was usually at 80-100% of the knob with the E10k to get to decent volume levels. But with the Magni 2 on high gain mode I was only about 20% on the knob. Sound-wise I can't say I remember much of a difference if any.

>bought my first pair of good headphones
>on saturday
>still says it hasnt shipped yet
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

is there some kind of 4chan guide for speakers

Do I need an amp for DT 770 80 ohms?

>>56942854
I don't think so—way too broad a topic, just too many factors to make a good recommendation in a typical guide format desu

Some of us here can probably help you though. What are you looking for?

>>56942051
Different anon, I have an E10K and the K702 was really loud in low gain at about 80% of the knob. High gain was way too much so I think I should be fine with the HD650, thanks.

I can get momentum 2.0 for $160, sound like a decent deal?

I am fine with paying the premium because it's foldable and durable. Though no two year warranty being used.

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>>56942854
Saved this a while ago from a speaker thread which I hardly visit.

>>56943670
good deal desu

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>Budget
150usd
>Location
Listening in noisy environments like the bus and the train
>Source
Phone or Laptop
>Comfort level
High
>Preferred tonal balance
Balanced/neutral

Looking for a good pair of head phones that have great isolation and fold down well for travel.

Any suggestions will be appreciated

>>56944185
the ones in your pic, HD380 Pro

>>56944251
anything other suggestions?

>>56920878
>MDR-V6 or MDR-7506.
What are the main differences between these or does it not really matter? From what I saw online these are nearly the same.

>>56944251
>>56944185
Would the DT770's be good? and I just put up the large size

>>56926024
>>56926159
>>56926368
>>56926904
I know Im late for the party, but the k612 are awful when compared to the hd558

the k612 has awful resonance in the 2khz which is one we are the most sensitive too, EQ just cant fully solve this.

the hd558 has very low distortion in the mid range which makes it sound smooth and pleasant to the ear.

TL;DR the hd558 is one of the safest choices in the ~$150 price range

>>56944547
You're never too late to help. Thank you, yet again someone who convinces me to buy the hd598

Which one is flatter? HiFiMan RE400 or Etymotics HF5? And when it comes to the mids and treble, how flat are the Shure SE215 compared to those two?

Another question. Are the Etymotics very uncomfortable to wear? Did it take you very long to get used to them?

>>56944367
CNET's review on both is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eupaBmHARfc

And Ken Rockwell's review even though he says he recommends M50X instead lol.
http://kenrockwell.com/audio/sony/mdr-7506.htm
http://kenrockwell.com/audio/sony/mdr-v6.htm

Do your own reading/research and decide. I got my V6's from amazon recently.

>>56944695
>Which one is flatter?
HF5. RE400 has a warmer/darker signature to be called neutral.

>how flat are the Shure SE215 compared to those two?
Not at all. It's bass and only bass.

>Are the Etymotics very uncomfortable to wear? Did it take you very long to get used to them?
It differs between each person but I personally think the deep insertion is fine. Tip rolling is always a valid option as well.

>>56944774
Are you sure about the HF5 being flatter? At least according to Golden Ears, the RE400 should be flatter (0 vs 0 in bass vs treble compared to midrange, while HF5 are at -1 vs -2 Bass/Treble compared to the midrange).

>>56944885
>goldenears compensation and subjective impressions
RE400 rolls off heavily after 2khz.

>>56944885
The HF5 was a very early GE measurement and it wasn't done correctly.

Use the ER-4PT instead:

http://en.goldenears.net/20704

The ER-4PT and HF5 have identical sound signature.

>>56944976
The HF5 has a huge peak around 2k and then rolls off at 4k.
I'm not really sure of what's best.

>>56945007
Now, that's more impressive!

>>56945007
Really identical? How does HF5 comapre to ER4SR?

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>>56945070
>Now, that's more impressive!
It is. Etymotic themselves have claimed that the HF5 is indistinguishable to the ER-4.

>>56944703
Thanks for the info. Also just getting them off Amazon would be fine? They're not fakes or whatever?

>>56945120
>Really identical? How does HF5 comapre to ER4SR?
ER4SR has more treble and a flatter sound signature.

>>56945070
>huge peak around 2k
Just to clarify, are you looking at raw response or GE's curve?

>>56945140
Amazon is fine. You'll like them when you get it.

>They're not fakes or whatever?
As I said. You'll like them. Build quality and unboxing them for the first time is top notch.

>>56945147
He's referring to this:

http://en.goldenears.net/1512

>>56944185
HD 4.3

>>56945147
Golden Ears'

>>56945125
Both graph you posted are very different though

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>>56945007
ER4P you mean? Not S? What happens if you add a third party impedance adaptor?

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>>56945229
Raw response. Just ignore GE target with it's retarded "bass compensation". It's why these neutral bass IEMs show a roll off.

>>56945168
Sweet! Again thanks for the help.

>>56945277
No problems. I got the black newer kind of retail box. There's two different boxes if you google it. Gold and the new black one I got from Amazon.

If you get a gold box. It's probably fake.

>>56945248
ER-4PT and ER-4P are the same thing.

If you add a 3rd party impedance adapter it becomes more neutral because it boosts the highs.

>>56945277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAs1N-Y6O9Y

Even Hifiguy says if you get the old packaging 0:45 seconds it's probably fake.

>>56945287
>>56945339
Yeah I'll watch out for that. I'll just have to hope for the best then.

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>>56945260
No, I wasn't looking at the raw response, but the adjusted response, which has the treble peaking at 2k and rolling of at 4k.

Is the Logitech g230 any good

>>56945559
Bad compensation curve I think.

>Budget
AU$150~
>Location
Australia
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Full size
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
I would like them to be comfy since I'm at my PC for long periods of time.
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral preferred.
>Past headphones
Sennheiser HD 202 II

>>56945559
Most retarded Ety measurement I've seen.

>>56945689
Are there any betters then?

>>56945672
It's the standard compensation curve. The one that peaks at 3k etc

>>56945709
>Are there any betters then?
Already been posted.

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>>56945721
This one? >>56945125
Because the same source seems to indicate the RE400 are flatter.
One has a +12 peak at 3k that expands from 1k to 7k (HF5), while the other (RE400) has a -12 peak at 8k but expands only from 6k to 10k (and a smaller -6 peak 3.5k)

>>56945871
Diffuse field.

>>56945932
What about it?

>>56945967
With DF compensation, the Ety's are flatter as demonstrated here >>56945007 if you ignore under 100hz. See the dotted line's 3-4khz rise in >>56945260 once again ignoring under 100hz.
Take example the HD600 which has too a 3-4khz rise and considered neutral.
This >>56945871 just shows that RE400 darker than the DF Ety's.

>>56946028
The first two graphs are from another model I just read are not the same.
Also, I'm pretty sure they used the DF compensation on that chart. The Golden Ears one uses it at least, and has the same 2k peak for the HF5

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>>56944251
I just listened to a pair of these at the store. They sound terrible.

Is there a closed pair of headphones which sound similar to the SHP9500?

>>56945204
Can't find any information on these.

>>56946059
>The Golden Ears one uses it at least, and has the same 2k peak for the HF5
Don't really know the story there but one anon said
>The HF5 was a very early GE measurement and it wasn't done correctly.
It really is an odd measurement.

>>56946084
The compensation graph uses the DF graph, it says so on their own site.
Doesn't seem very odd to me when you consider two graphs show the same peak.

>>56946107
https://rinchoi.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/etymotic-research-hf-3-er-4-equivalent.html
https://rinchoi.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/hifiman-re-400-evolution-or-devolution.html
Ety is more DF neutral, RE400 heavier treble roll off and larger midbass bump.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/EtymoticER4PT.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANIE400.pdf
While it isn't the HF5 same deal here; RE400 has a larger roll off.

http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/report/hp/hifiman-re-400.php
No HF5 measurements here
http://monoadc.blog64.fc2.com/blog-entry-142.html
or RE400 measurents here but raw data indicates the same thing once again.

>>56946060
>Is there a closed pair of headphones which sound similar to the SHP9500?
Probably Audio Technica MSR7. I own a 9500 too and want a MSR7 when I tested it. I'm saving up to buy one.

>>56946060
https://en-us.sennheiser.com/headphones-headset-stereo-over-ear-hd-4-30

The "HD" should indicate to you a Sennheiser product.

>>56946288
Those look really good I think I actually got to listen to them while I was at the store (or I confused them for the ath m70x) and they sound excellent. Much better than the m50x that were there also.

Unfortunately those are like 250usd.

>>56945674
dt770

>>56939403
>Saying "external amp dac make huge difference" is nothing more than blanket statement
you see when sound floor difference is 40db for people with good headphones it makes HUGE difference.
They got better sure, but it is still in -80-90db range and DACs have -115-120db. Even I can hear that with 598s. Also line outs of motherboard have all kinds of dirt interference, not to mention on some you can't avoid internal amp which makes it even worse.

It's about what headphones you have, anything below 558 quality wouldn't catch all these things.
There is a ton of measurements around to prove this.

Wtf are the m40x's really this good?

https://youtu.be/udLoAV7YmjA?t=1m21s

>>56946817
>There is a ton of measurements around to prove this.
Where are the measurements and studies proving you can hear this? I can claim I can hear the benefit of the 126dB SNR of my DAC2 with my HD800S, but I'm not retarded so I would never do that.

>It's about what headphones you have, anything below 558 quality wouldn't catch all these things.
How are you even going to catch these things when the THD+N on your headphones is much, much, much higher than any DAC you'll find?

>>56947499
They're good. Generally regarded as better value than the m50x.

That recording is retarded though, there's no point to the test they're doing.

>>56947500
all i'm saying I can hear difference between onboard and external - there is some noise with onboard and no noise with external, measurements seems to agree with what I hear.
I'm not saying you should spend more than 30-70 on a DAC, that would be stupid.

>>56947719
You're generalizing far too much, ALC1150 is perfectly fine and is audibly just as 'good' as an E10K in the DAC section.

does anyone know what's the deal with senn hd600 boxes?
one has natural sound for digital on it and grooves on cardboard
other is standard black box with pure sound or whatever on it, what's the difference?
older stock? I hear they changed drivers and the new one is a bit more neutral which box should I look at at delivery?

>Budget
250$
>Location
Norway but can ship if i have to
>Source
Computer and phone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized over-ear
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Going to be used for 5-6 hours at a time but i can live with a bit lower comfort for better sound
>Preferred tonal balance
I love bass and that comfy feeling you get from it so something like that if possible
>Past headphones
Hyperx cloud2

What's the best midi keyboard to buy? Something that works out of the box on Linux and isn't bloated with tons of unnecessary midi inputs :^)

>>56943727
A really shit guide tbqh fampai.

>>56916518
test

I went for ATH IM02 IEMs for on the go travelling balanced listening- coming in 3 weeks. Did i fucked up going for a 200 USD IEM?

>>56950366
yes, you should've got 20 of IEMs for the money
do not cry when it breaks in 5 months

any iems with a good seal beside etymotics around the price range $50-150?

>>56950924
shure se215

>>56950973
I heard that the sound was pretty lacking for it's price point

When the cat is away, the mice will play.


>>56944547
>EQ just cant fully solve this
Do you know what a resonance is? Do you know what an EQ does?

>>56946817
>THD+N
There has to be a reference voltage level.

>>56944695
>Are the Etymotics very uncomfortable to wear?
I prefer deep fit, and the Ety earpieces are small easy to insert, even if you don't insert them fully.
>Did it take you very long to get used to them?
The most uncomfortable things I've used were the SE535 and the DBA-02. Se535 triflanges are large and stiff, DBA-02 insertion goes deeper(!) than Etymotic. [insert H-manga image here]
After that experience, Etys just glide in.

>>56948379
>I hear they changed drivers
Not particularly. The filter material changed but you would be hard pressed to prove that made a large difference.

>>56950366
The price used to be a bit lower for the IM02 (USA).

>>56950924
Sealing is not introducing leak at where the ear sleeves make contact with the person. If you want better sealing, get other ear tips that fit you better.
If you want isolation, tips are a factor, but the design of the earpiece is a factor as well.

>>56951090
>The filter material changed
but does anyone at all know why the boxes are different? would suck to get ones made in 2005
which is newer natural sound or black box?

>Budget
50€
>Location
Italy
>Source
VLC on Xperia Z5c
>Preferred type of headphone
IEMS
>Open or closed
n/a
>Comfort level
I'll use them under fullface helmet, so smaller is better.
>Preferred tonal balance
V-shaped
>Past headphones
"Borrowed" earpods, at home i use a HMC-681 EVO plugged in a Soundblaster.

>>56948438
DT770 80 ohm

>>56951230

soundmagic e10

>>56946245
Speaking of RE-400, I got mine but it sounds bad, I even use them exclusively, yet I still cannot bring myself to enjoy it.

>>56945666
>$32

Not bad.

>>56948823
Don't think anyone in this thread can answer that, might want to visit a specific forum or start a thread on /g/.

>>56951119
>would suck to get ones made in 2005
not gonna happen lol

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>tfw you fell for the HD 558 meme
Just fucking kill me now

>>56951584
everything is possible in russia, they do not sell here that well

>>56951600
whats wrong with it

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IEMs just kicked the bucket.

What are some good IEMs that are vshaped in nature. I'm looking for something that can will sound nice playing anything with a lot of bright sounding synths.

>sit up btw

What Bluetooth earphones should I get to use with my iPhone 7?

>>56953413
>playing anything with a lot of bright sounding synths.
> v shapped

That's just going to make them sibilant

Can earphones just start sounding worse with a lot of use? I've had a pair of E35s for over a year now and recently I'm definitely not hearing subtleties in songs that I used to.

In before my hearing is getting worse

>>56954144
your hearing is getting worse

>>56954144
they're now filled with earwax.