Linux vs. BSD

>>56913695
Nice archaic pic

Bad hardware support, too autistic for anyone and Mac OS X descended from your "great" *nix family

>>56913786
You own a thinkpad though and don't use a GPU.

>>56913799
I don't use a thinkpad nor a GPU

And also i'm not a Windowsfag

>>56913695
Because Gentoo is better and I can still avoid the systemAIDS.

>>56913907
>not using freebsd gentoo

>>56913695
Because I'm using my macOS and I'm loving it

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>>56913695
>Why aren't you using a BSD?
The "i don't care" i pretty close to it. When i started linux freebsd was a total garbage on desktop.
also
>muh freedom, but thanks to (You) i know how annoying can be the linux advocates to windows users

I installed an OpenBSD VM, but never really fucked around with it. I'm not against BSD, just not super interested. Antergos and Manjaro are working well for me right now.

>>56914096
linux is still total garbage on desktop.

>>56913695
BSD has no security

>>56914372
You're thinking of BSOD, aka Windows.

>booting into windows
>ever

Nice1 m8

>>56914461
what's it like being unemployed and still living with your parents

>>56914398
Aka the most popular operating system on the planet for a reason

>>56913695
BSD has no gayms

>>56914467
it's nice
>muh tendies

>>56914467
Why are you asking him? You should have the first hand experience

>>56914468
Although the majority of windows userbase are computer illiterate. All computer inept people use windows and internet explorer

>>56913799
but i use a thinkpad with eGPU

>>56914504
I'm sure at least a quarter of them use OSX.

>>56914531
All tech inept phones use iPhone. They can't distinguish between smartphones from iphones

Where does TempleOS stand? That's the only OS good enough for me.

>>56914504
windows does a good job at keeping users illiterate so that they keep using windows too

>>56914568
True, windows is kinda corrosive to tech brains

>>56914468
Nice implication that that reason is something like "quality", rather than luck, self-reinforcing inertia, lobbying, etc.

>>56914568
>>56914578

I bet you smug fags can't even write a fucking payroll program.

>>56914681
>lol i bet u can't even reverse a binary tree XDD

>>56914491
as expected of NEET loser

>>56913695
It's not used in industry, as far as I know.
One of the main reasons I use Linux is because a lot of job positions I look at want familiarity with Linux.

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>bsdfag: "hey linuxfag, why are you using linux? don't you know bsd is more free as in freedom?"
>linuxfag: "linux is more convenient for me because reasons."
>bsdfag: *shrug*

>linuxfag: "hey windowsfag, why are you using windows? don't you know linux is more free as in freedom?"
>windowsfag: "windows is more convenient for me because reasons."
>linuxfag: "lol stupid windowsfag ur such a dumb faggot >trading freedom for convenience lmao"

>>56914839
LINUX CUKKS BTFO!!!

>>56914839
sad but true.

Also the OP slide is from >>56906584 the guy giving the talk the first time at a another place before that had to cancel during the talk because Linux users literally started rioting.
Linux users are incredibly violent and unstable when faced with reality.

>>56914877
>incredibly violent and unstable when faced with reality.

Just like their kernel.

>>56914839

>It's a "say one thing, do the other" episode
cue laugh track

>>56913695
>Why aren't you using a BSD?
No practical benefits, less hardware support.
>I know you don't play games on LInux. You boot into Windows to do that.
And like so many other things that people proudly proclaim they know, that's wrong. Most of my game playing is done on Linux.

>>56913695
Redpilled Linux master race coming through.

Daily reminder that BSD is an insecure garbage. It doesn't have softwares in its official repos, which makes people use ports. Ports are maintained by a group of basement dwelling neckbeards and software vendors do not audit their compile scripts.

Software vendors provide precompiled binaries for Linux with checksum, but they don't do the same for *BSD.

Furthermore *BSD has a very limited driver support. Even if some device manage to run, the drivers crash due to aggressive mitigation. This is why your laptop turns into a room heater when you run X-org on BSD.

BSD desktop environments are poorly put together. Many desktop environments are developed with Linux in mind. For example Xfce, GNOME, Cinnamon or MATE uses udev for automounting external storage. BSD doesn't have udev: automounting will not work on BSD. I knew this first hand when I tried PC-BSD (a variant of BSD) few years back. Now that GNOME and other DEs are slowly moving to newer technologies like Wayland and Systemd: BSD is and will always remain crippled for desktop use.

Just for the record, I'll let you in some secrets: almost no printer/scanner and bluetooth devices will work on BSD.

Overall my biggest beef against BSD is its philosophy. It claims to be "secure" but its "secure" version has NO softwares. Use ports and it is no longer BSD team's fault that you used "insecure" 3rd party softwares. What a joke!!

Bottomline:
1. Linux fights with Windows in terms of usability while BSD can't even compete with Linux.
2. BSD offers NOTHING practical to be used instead of Linux.

If you are using a free operating system, use one that's usable for desktops. Don't use a router OS (while Linux beats them in routers as well).

Sadly i am lost on my Hackintosh. I have to use a MacBook at work with MacOS (sysadmin for 40 MacBooks so using FreeBSD at work would be stupid). Then i installed Hackintosh for shit n giggles, and now i love all the nice stuff like alfred, or hammerspoon. Sure i can get the same on freebsd with dmenu and some window manipulation scripts. But still i like the comfort too much and i have all my needed packages on macos anyway (homebrew is not nice as the ports system but still). Also i can jump easily into WoW if i want to play again for like 20 Minutes, since i cant simply use the MacOS launcher... Oh god. Please help me anon. WHO AM I

>>56914965
>muh 3rd party shit

How about you actually talk about the OS/kernel?

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>>56914994
>OS/Kernel
Going great with AMDGPU and latest NVidia drivers. Linux kernel is the most successful kernel and used widely everywhere.

Traditional Unices are ditched for Linux in servers as well. Hotpatching Kernel really did the trick.

Furthermore we now have an init system that heavily depends on Linux-only APIs. Like if you are going to do some developing Linux makes it so easy. BSD doesn't even have a simple mount table (wtf).

Systemd took what was best of Apple's launchd and Solirs' SMF, made it even more modern and implemented it.

The Remote desktop protocol, advanced, network mounts, VT-x support, of course deserves a mention as well.

PID can now hotpatch itself without rebooting and it's also heavily developed for the latest technologies like docker integration, D-Bus socket activation, paralleled boot processes etc. Also obvious to mention how amazing the file system support under Linux is.

>>56915054
PID 1*

>>56915054
>is
has*

>>56914994
This isn't some academic discussion about the design of the core OS; doing actual practical things with them is going to have to come into the discussion, and that is necessarily going to involve the installation of third-party software.

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>>56914839
LINUX FAGGOTS BTFO HOW WILL THEY EVER RECOVER

Linux also has these -ck, -zen, -aufs, -fbcondecor, -lqx, -mptcp (multipath tcp, how amazing is that?), -tresor, -vfio etc patchset JUST TO FIT YOUR NEED.

This happens when many brilliant developers do their own experiment on the kernel and innovate something new.

Sorry, but BSD isn't nearly as developed while NT is a locked down botnet project

>>56915105
It is true though. As I said before, computer illiterates use windows so much that windows is now the computer illiterate OS and iphone is the tech illiterate smartphone

I am using FreeBSD. I don't even bother reading Linux news anymore, everything just werks and I have a Linux compatibility layer. I can even run steam games if I really wanted to.

>>56915126
>I have a Linux compatibility layer.
One of the great things FreeBSD has. However it's only 32 bit

>>56914839
Just bring up systemd and watch linuxcucks retract back to their cuck shed and get into the fetal position

>>56915141
What init do you use though?

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>>56914965
>It doesn't have softwares in its official repos, which makes people use ports
False:

pkg install [software]

>Software vendors provide precompiled binaries for Linux with checksum, but they don't do the same for *BSD.

FreeBSD provides a checksum in the repo.

>BSD has a very limited driver support.

Ditto Linux. BSD drivers are written by professionals though, Linux drivers are written by 17 year old zit faced retards like you.

>This is why your laptop turns into a room heater when you run X-org on BSD.

My X200 is whisper quiet on FreeBSD 10.3, ACPI worked perfectly out of the box, ditto cpufreq. Sorry to disappoint you.

>BSD desktop environments are poorly put together

XFCE works just fine, you download what you mean. If you need your hand held, use PC-BSD.

>Just for the record, I'll let you in some secrets: almost no printer/scanner and bluetooth devices will work on BSD.

LOL, all my Xerox printers worked JUST fine for me. What the fuck have you been using.

>1. Linux fights with Windows in terms of usability while BSD can't even compete with Linux.
He probably likes systemd as well

>2. BSD offers NOTHING practical to be used instead of Linux.
How about the best network stack in any OS? I can't even be bothered to learn how the fucked in the head faggots on Linux wrote theirs.

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>>56915153
>pkg install [software]
Go install wayland


>FreeBSD provides a checksum in the repo.
Yeag, Not the software vendors

>BSD drivers are written by professionals though,
And they don't exist

>XFCE works just fine
Picture related

>usability while BSD can't even compete with Linux.
Yes I do. It's the best init system and you are JEALOUS YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT KEK

>>56914131
Compared to what? Windows? OSX? get real.

>>56913695
>Why aren't you using a BSD?
Not suitable for a desktop OS TBQH.

>>56914504
Well, those users need an OS to use and there are a whole lot of them.

By the way, why don't you fix your own car? People who don't fix their own cars are car illiterate, but they still can drive a car.

>>56913695
the Linux kernel is a much, much larger project than any of those

>>56914467
if you can't attack the idea, attack the person

>>56914467
It is great, actually. I will never have to work a day in my life because my parents invested well. You will spend your life as my actual slave and I live a life of leisure.

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>>56914839
refer to >>56914096
>>56914877
> Linux users literally started rioting.
MS spreading FUD and Lincucks lost their mind? What's so surprising?

>>56915153
>FreeBSD provides a checksum in the repo.
Can i at least wipe my ass with it?
>How about the best network stack in any OS?
laughed. Proof?

>>56913695
used openbsd few weeks but the gpu drivers were shit and software crashed. (intel gpu firefox and file manager)

>>56914965
>softwares
is it bad that i know exactly who you are just by reading that mistake?

>>56913695
>Why aren't you using a BSD?
But I do. I run OS X as my main OS.

>>56917789
who?

>>56913695
>Why aren't you using a BSD?

Not as much software support. It just isn't as simple to customize a BSD environment.

>>56915054
does anyone have that other image like this, it was some guy talking about developing for Windows, it was a screenshot of some IRC chat

>You boot into Windows to do that.

No I don't. This isn't 2012. I have a VM for my porn games.

>>56917811
shitposting autist who gets really triggered by any mention of BSD

if you see him say "it doesn't have softwares" with an extra S, i can guarantee you that it's him

>>56917808
>Implying Darwin is a pure BSD kernel
>ignoring the fact that userspace is totally different animal

>>56914839
>why are you using linux? don't you know bsd is more free as in freedom?"
this is incorrect

>>56913695
Poor virtualization support, no cgroup support for containers, less packages in repo, no systemd for easy monitoring/restarting services, no MAC like Selinux for boxes with many people logging in, poor WiFi support to be used on APs. Thing is that if something does the job without problems then there is no use in switching to a system which has lesser hardware support and lesser features. I was using FreeBSD for my NAS but since have switched to ZFS on Proxmox and it all works very very well. I can run LXC containers or KVM for full virtualization. OSs are meant to make life easier, not harder.

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>>56918206
>no systemd for easy monitoring/restarting services

>>56918105
I want to subjugate as many users freedoms as possible and ensure the community doesn't contribute, should I use BSD or GPL?

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>>56918412
Pepe Public License

>>56918412
you use BSD so that corporations can use your code in proprietary software, they're pretty much guaranteed to contribute nothing back.

>>56913695
trying to currently learn netbsd and its kernel for implementing a lightweight embedded environment because linux is too heavy

>>56918595
You will need a toolchain too.
>linux is too heavy
u no compile?

>>56914131
You are a lazy ass. If you want eyecandy, you have way more customization possible in any Linux distro than in Windows. Source: I use both.

>>56914468
Are you troll. Please say yes.

>>56914567
You're in all the threads today.

>>56914567
Nice. Now go back in the garden playing with your turtle, dear. Dad and the nice lady have something to discuss.

I'm not using BSD because I already tried BSD and am fully aware how inferior it is as a desktop OS to GNU+Linux.

>>56913695
I use OpenBSD on my laptops. Have a server with FreeBSD but I haven't used it in a while. Tried upgrading it from dual quad-core to dual hexa-core Opterons and they weren't recognized, haven't bothered putting the old ones back in yet.

>>56914937
>most of my game playing is done on linux

this is something you say when you are an opengl and low-framerate enthusiast

>>56915105
I think it reads more like "all humans are idiots regardless". Not much to laugh about.

>>56913695
Because BSD doesn't support systemd.

>>56922990
kek, that's a pro

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>>56923014

>>56913786
OS X is best desktop OS
*BSD is best server and portable OS

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>>56923034

>>56923036
>*BSD is best server and portable OS
Nice meme.

>>56923352
>everything's a meme
epik meme

>>56923054
>>56923034
New to linux, what's wrong with systemd?

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>>56923527
It's an init system attempting to be everything

>>56914557
>All tech inept phones use iPhone
>inept phones use iPhone
>phones use iPhone

>They can't distinguish between smartphones from iphones
ok, kid

>>56923527
very complex, tightly-integrated solution for something that used to be just a handful of shell scripts. Which hurts maintainability and security. Guy who started the project has a previous disaster on his record, and has a reputation for being a douchebag.

>>56913695
because linux tastes like fried penguins, BSD tastes like road gravel

>>56923604
Did you really think that was funny, clever, or even remotely worth posting in any way whatsoever?

>>56923563
Wrong. According to factual sources, systemd is a "suite of basic building blocks for a Linux system" and a "system and service manager for Linux".

Don't let wikipedia fool you.

>>56914839
Yes, because fuck Windowsfags. They don't care about their rights until you infringe upon them.

>>56923722
Semantics aside it's fucking cancerous.

>>56913695
I thought bsd was linux

I think most of us don't use BSD for the same reason, Plan 9 never took off, Linux is "good enough", even though it's not necessarily better. It's not worth the extra fucking around to have a very-marginally better system.

>>56913799
Only OpenBSD is thinkpad friendly and it has worse battery life than linux

>>56913695
Windows is convenient for running Windows programs, Linux is convenient for other things and I don't care much about freedom.

Who is the FreeBSD equivalent of Linus?

>>56913695
Because BSD is ugly as fuck.

>>56924795
You can't possibly be this retarded.

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Berkley Software Disappointment.

>>56925837
And nobody's forcing you to use it. Hell, I didn't even know what it was till I googled it

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>>56913695
ahem

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BSDKEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH AFTER MOUNTAINS AND MOUNTAINS OF FACTS AND SOURCED EVIDENCE IS POSTED
BTFO

>>56927312
>60 unique IPs
>112 posts
really makes you think

>>56927249
read the comments to that article. author is a faggot.

>>56915133
No it's been 64-bit too since 10.2. You are gay.

>>56924261
maybe, but sleep and suspend and power tools are arguably better in OpenBSD (thinkpad)

>>56927645
>What is more, these EACL systems are formally verified. Which means they can be ensured not to have any bugs.
>ANY bugs
does the shitposter actually believe this shit?

>>56927488
>totally average distribution

yeah really DOES make you think wow

>>56913695
No software support
No hardware support

That about covers it

>>56931640
Thanks for tripping