Mozilla's Servo

>not an .io domain

>>>/trash/

>>56599079
This. It's been in development for years and only recently have they made a demo. While it does render things faster than Gecko it can't really handle anything except for simple HTML and CSS.

>>56599173
so it's firefox copycatting chrome again

so e10s is dead now or what? lmao get your shit together mozilla

>>56599221
Servo is being developed side-by-side with Firefox. There's no public plan to replace gecko with servo but that's probably going to be the eventual plan. Right now they're using servo to build browser components in Rust and they want to incorporate those components into firefox and/or gecko over time.

>>56599221

Servo has always been nothing but a research project.

>lmao

Where do you think you are?

>>56599062
Will it be slow as shit like Firefucks?

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>>56599062
>no windows build even though 95% of all users want that
>funney doge maymay on download page
>code of conduct ultracancer mentioned of front page
Inb4 hurr "it's just a preview"

>>56600614

It's been proven to be faster than any existing browser. It's the only one thought and built from the ground up to take full advantage of parallelism and GPU processing.

>>56600625
>>no windows build even though 95% of all users want that

Maybe 95% of /g/. In the development world, people using windows are much less than that.

>>funney doge maymay on download page
>>code of conduct ultracancer mentioned of front page

Such is life in San Francisco.

>Inb4 hurr "it's just a preview"

That's what it is.

>>56600614
You mean Gecko, right? Its not a fucking browser; its a rendering engine.

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>Windows build coming soon

AHHAHHAHHHAA

No real programmers use Windows.

>>56600625
>no windows build even though 95% of all users want that
It's for developers you retard. No one uses Windows for serious development.

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>>56599062

>no windows version
>no android apk

Into The Trash It Goes!

>>56600834
The windows build is bugged IIRC. The entire project is like a pre-alpha, none of this is intended for end users

>>56600916
get off /g/ this is a Linux board.

No tech professionals use Windows.

>>56600852
>No one uses Windows for serious development.
Unless your developing software to run natively on Windows.

>>56600916
go back to /pol/ frog supremacist

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>two and a half cores to render one webpage
mozilla proves yet again they can't code

>>56600967
No one writes new desktop software now. It's all mobile and web.

Good thing I learned nodejs.

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>>56600979
>surprised that a parallelized DOM rendering proof-of-concept is parallelized

>>56600979
Much of the CPU is utilized depends on how much content is on the page and whether it can be divided among several cores. Servo is intended to utilize many cores to render things faster. It also has an experimental backend that can use a GPU for rendering.

>>56601097
How much of the CPU is utilized*

>>56599062
>rust
into the trash it goes

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>>56600935
>>56600985
>>56600852

>>56601062
It's using almost everything, not just splitting things. Like, half of my i5 went into rendering one webpage.

>>56601125
>complaining that software is utilizing the hardware you paid for

Yup, you're a mac user.

>>56601097
Yeah but it shouldn't have to occupy everything. Even when I wasn't loading any page my CPU was going crazy.

>>56601140
Jesus, you are one dumb motherfucker. Higher CPU usage = more heat, less room for other apps, battery drain and fan noise. I'm not complaining that it's parallelizing tasks, I'm complaining that it's using up a whole core.

>>56601148
This is basically a pre-alpha build. Servo is nowhere close to finished, it's even got unstable builds.

>>56601180
it's barely even got unstable builds.*

sorry tired

>>56601167
Chrome does the same thing you retard.

>>56601199
I understand

>>56601200
No shit, it parallelizes? Learn to read, dumbfuck, parallelization = good, high cpu usage = bad. You are proving how dumb you are.

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>>56601167
>room for apps

>>56601167
No, YOU are too stupid to realize how dumb your complaining really is.

>Higher CPU usage = more heat
For the fraction of a second it takes to load. You're still using the same power (actually less, see below). So on average over a second it is actually putting out less heat than the single threaded one.

>less room for other apps
You OS should be able to handle this just fine. It has scheduling for a reason.

>battery drain

Actually they proved that it uses less power and by extension battery. Go look it up.

If your shitty toaster cant handle to run its processor on full, maybe you need to scale the governor back.

>buy a mac
>cant even use it to its potential without it getting china syndrome

Good job.

>>56601237
Fucking christ, get off this board if you're this tech illiterate.

>For the fraction of a second it takes to load
It was like this for 5 seconds, and then proceeded to stay at 100% while not even doing anything. A Chrome process barely scrapes 25% when loading a resource heavy page.

>You OS should be able to handle this just fine. It has scheduling for a reason.

Oh, so I can just run huge IntelliJ projects, multiple Games, different browsers on a thin laptop at the same time and not have to worry because my OS can schedule it?

>Actually they proved that it uses less power and by extension battery. Go look it up.

No, if it uses more CPU, it uses more power, period.

>If your shitty toaster cant handle to run its processor on full, maybe you need to scale the governor back.

If you can't optimize your shit, it's not worth running on a thin notebook machine.

>Good job.

You sound like a buttblasted windows PCMR preteen.

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>>56599062
>Gonk

>>56601280
>n proceeded to stay at 100% while not even doing anything

And yet you didn't mention that until now. I believe you.

>No, if it uses more CPU, it uses more power, period.

I'm sorry, but modern CPUs are more complicated than that. If it uses 100% for 5 seconds or 50% for 10 seconds, it will use less power in the former. Even if you use more processor time, if its all at once it may be less power per time. There's a lot of variables that go into this.

>Oh, so I can just run huge IntelliJ projects, multiple Games, different browsers on a thin laptop at the same time and not have to worry because my OS can schedule it?

I'm not even gonna bother with the rest of your poorly though out shit. You can stawman all you want if it makes you feel better.

>>56601390
>proceed with low-tier mac jokes and strawmen and 'retard' insults
>offended and pussies out when one of his points gets refuted
You got my point regarding the CPU and app usage, right?
Each Chrome helper process for me has idled at around 0.2% with loads of tabs and when loading a page it generally takes 25% for a single second, then goes back to normal. This thing stays at 100% and goes way up to 250% when rendering a single page.

>modern CPUs are more complicated than that
This isn't complicated at all. A sink will leak 20 liters at a 5 ml stream per hour and a 50 ml second stream for 10 seconds will only leak 0.5 liters.

so, what browser do (you) use ?

>>56600967
>Unless your developing software to run natively on Windows.
Only if you only care about running your software only on Windows
Every cross platform project cross compiles their Windows binaries on *nix

too late

>>56601167
>what is race to idle

>>56601527
It doesn't idle at all, it stays at 100% after rendering. Even chrome uses 1/10 of the processing power to render a page in similar speeds.

>>56601498
Just log into your 4chan gold account by posting your
Name
Address
Credit/Debit card number
Email address
Password

Don't worry, the post will automatically be hidden!

>>56601515
>Every cross platform project cross compiles their Windows binaries on *nix
Care to list these projects? Even small cli shit like curl comes with visual studio project files. I build Chromium on Windows in VS. I've never come across any cross platform software more than 10 Windows users care about not able to be build via VS.

>>56601493
Palememe

>>56601493
firecocks nAYYtly

>>56601491
>>offended
Not at all.

> and pussies out when one of his points gets refuted

More like I'm too lazy to argue with an imbecile with whom I have no vested interest. I've spent time actually coding, reading the intel programmer manual, etc. You show so much ignorance in this matter that it is apparent that you chose to be that way. I'm all fine with banter, but this is just tedious.

>This thing stays at 100%
Which sounds like a bug. It idles 0% for me and never passes 20% usage on any of my cores. Maybe you should report it instead of wanking your dick on /g/.

>This isn't complicated at all.
Ignorance is truly bliss, isn't it?

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>>56601668
Bien, bien, sens la puissance du juif te couler dans le dos...

So is this like a new browser?

>>56601636
>I like in a day and age that has this

No scroll bar. Mousewheel does nothing, No copy paste. No keybinds. Freezes frequently.

>>56601746
Experimental highly-parallelized browser in rust
By cuckzilla ofc

Still don't have 4chan pass !

>>56601746
rendering engine. It will download pages slow and will suck ass as a browser (because the part that is doing that is shitty js code thrown together so you dont have to load pages off of the disk). This build is intended to test pages to see if it renders them properly.

>>56601820
Its not a fucking browser. There is no reason to implement that stuff for this demo.

>technology board
>so how do i download this new browser

:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)

>>56601870
Welcome to /g/ - Tech Support, where we only know now to rice and meme

>>56601280
>Oh, so I can just run huge IntelliJ projects, multiple Games, different browsers on a thin laptop at the same time and not have to worry because my OS can schedule it?

do you have any idea how processors work?

>>56599062
It's a slow piece of shit, that only works for simple stuff, and then it fail to even do that. kek

>>56600758
>>56600852
After offering developers the choice between OSX, Windows and Linux computers we evaluated developer performance by system choice:
Generally, developers who chose OSX perform marginally better compared to Windows users, with Linux users being significantly worse.

We found out that:

100% of Linux users were male.
65% of all employees who were put on a pip and consequently got fired were Linux users.
70% of all serious 3 strike system warnings are handed out to Linux users.
2% of team leads and managers use Linux.
Linux users have twice the amount of sick leave on average.
Linux users make 25% more complaints to HR compared to average.
It's nearly twice as likely to receive a complaint about a Linux user compared to the average employee.

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>mozilla
in to le trash it goes

>>56600614
>Firefox
>slow
Time to upgrade to more than 2GB RAM

>>56599201
>firefox copycatting chrome

wouldn't quite say that. there is some definite potential performance increases available in the renderer with a complete overhaul like this.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0hYIRQRiws

>>56602253
Why isn't Firefox using it if it is so great?

>>56600507
>Where do you think you are?
A shitty technology board on a Chinese cartoon website.

>>56602269
Because it's not finished yet?


>Why don't we just use flying cars if they're so convenient?

>>56601635
> I've spent time actually coding
WOW! you spent time coding??? ON A TECHNOLOGY BOARD????? Oh geez, you are one narcissistic autist if you think you're the only here who actually knows how to code. Hint: I work as a software dev and not as a professional basement dweller with a ph.d in shitposting/masturbating myself/macbashing on /g/
jesus christ the irony,
> Maybe you should report it instead of wanking your dick
I'm not motivated enough to report something like this to cuckzilla which already has over 1000 github issues on their repo.

>Ignorance is truly bliss, isn't it?
For you

>>56599062
How exactly is the important? Seems like Mozilla is just wasting money as always.

>>56601989
Explain yourself?

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66 frames per second on the evil monkey demo.
https://servo.org/bhtml-newtab/webrender-demos/evil_ad/physics/with-ad.html
not_bad.jpg

>>56602491
>damage control

>>56602613
>I work as a software dev

I weep for your clients.

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>Rust
>fast

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>>56602613
>Replying to a post from an hour ago
>Ever posting like you just did

>>56602613
>being this assblasted

Nobody cares about your javascript skills, faggot.

>>56602657
Why? Because I'm not wrong when I say this shit uses massive amount of CPU compared to Chrome. Just like other trash from Mozilla.

>>56602669
>having a life
>not spending all your time on /g/ spamming the Update button for replies

>>56602704
>javascript
I'm not cucked like you, faggot

>>56602734

Heh, so what what software do you work on for a living?

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>>56602773
>Heh

>>56599104
>io domain
Faggot

>>56602818
>this post is totally not avoiding the question
>I'm just cool and edgy guys

Skiddy confirmed

>>56602644
>dubs

>>56602851
Why do you care? Autismo just wants to enter a pissing contest, I'm not even going to bother listing my shit. It's irrelevant to the topic.

>>56602827
I believe he was employing this new fangled thing called irony

>>56602888
>I'm not even going to bother listing my shit.

tl;dr unemployable

>>56599062
>SJW COC
yea no.... dropped

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>>56602643
chrome is almost as fast fps, but not near as smooth.
firefox is quite a bit slower.
both ff and chrome are hw accel enabled on amd 7800 apu.

>>56602906
I work as a software engineer, how about you?

>>56602931
So you said. Yet you can't provide me anything that you actually engineer, other than mounds of bullshit.

>>56602918
The only thing that bothers me more than the CoC bandwagon (that'll probably die out soon anyways) is faggots like you running from everything even remotely related to Rust because of it.

If Rust has any actual use-cases I think it'd be a browser, like this. Maybe I'll try it when it's been released for a while, I don't want to deal with an unstable browser for common personal use.

>>56602938
Why the fuck do I need to prove it to you? You're unemployed for fucks sake.

>>56602918
So, which browser do you use then?

>>56602974
Lynx

>>56602974
So is it actually any good? Cant test it, but if its better than the current slow fucking piece of shit firefox is right now, then its a major improvement. Only using firefox for non-video, non-js heavy and non-html5 websites because it feels more comfortable than chrome.

>>56599062
>can't render anything

>>56602971
If you say so. Whatever glorified configurations your doing in your high level language isn't what I'd call engineering. You've already demonstrated to me that you have no knowledge of the underlying hardware.

Keep replying though.

>>56602974
Didnt mean to quote you in>>56603011

>>56603011
I have no doubt it will in time. It seems to either do better or fall on its ass completely right now though.

>>56603015
>If you say so. Whatever glorified configurations your doing in your high level language isn't what I'd call engineering
That's it. That's what I was waiting for.
Just keep in mind I have a job and you don't.

>>56599062
Nice font rendering, not even chrome manages to fuck characters up this bad

>>56603044
At no point did I ever say that, but if it helps you sleep at night, you can believe anything you'd like.

>>56602249
It's literally the slowest modern browser. Even slower than fucking Edge.

>>56603057
You haven't denied it, if you had a job you actually would have. You're also obsessed about me apparently, I wanted to talk about what a CPU hog this renderer is, all you're done is ask about me.

It's like you don't even understand how bloated to shit modern web pages are.

>>56601493
otter

>>56603088
And yet you're investing in defending your honor. Almost as if you're really touchy about not knowing anything.

>>56599062
I'll definitely give it a shot when it's out. All current browsers are fucking horrible.
>>56602249
>one tab loads
>other tabs are frozen, some even refuse to show content
Maybe it's better now, but that's how e10s was half a year ago.

>>56601586
Chromium uses Gyp which generates project files for many different build systems, VS being one of them.

>>56602734
That still doesn't excuse your posting style.

>>56603106
I care little enough to not sharing my entire resumé with you. Go back to reading intel manuals.

>>56603150
>posting style

>>56600507
Is this not the mongolian stone etching forum?

>>56603174
>I care little enough to not sharing my entire resumé with you

Yeah, making an entire resume up would be difficult. But I only asked you for a very general answer. Something you could easily roleplay.

>>56603204
I decided not to since I could already tell by then that you're one of the C purist neckbeards who dwell on /dpt/ all day. You read Intel manuals? Wow, absolute madman.
This is also how everyone can tell you're unemployed.

>>56603241
new anon here
this argument, holy kek

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>no android or Windows
/pol/ casuals BTFO

>>56603277
>wanting anything Mozilla related on either

kys yourself

>>56603241
My point with the intel manuals is this is all covered in there. Its a simple concept that you can't seem to grasp. I by no means think that is hardcore. Quiet the opposite. Its day fucking 1.

>C purist neckbeards

Another swing and a miss. I really don't care what language you are using, as long as you can show that you understand the hardware (something you have yet to do)

I asked your job because I wanted to judge what level of abstraction you are used to working at. I really hope for your sake its high, because you have no idea how modern hardware works.

>>56603084
It's only slow on Windows™

>>56603241
>reading manuals = neckbeard, madman, unemployed

How upset are you right now? You sound like a real misinformed shitnipple tbqfh famalam.

>>56603310
>you have no idea how modern hardware works
You have no idea what I know about modern hardware.
You somehow hold a grudge against me, talking about how I understand nothing about hardware (I do actually) but you can't reference at any point anything I said.
You also don't seem to understand that I can know multiple languages, even though my employer demands that I use a higher level one.

>I've spent time actually coding, reading the intel programmer manual, etc
This is some hackforums tier shit to brag about.

>>56603409
>mom i read intel manuals

>>56603277
Doesn't matter, it wouldn't even make up 1% of the mobile browser market. They might as well save themselves the hassle and money of developing it.

>>56603310
>I really don't care what language you are using
>Whatever glorified configurations your doing in your high level language isn't what I'd call engineering
lol c fag confirmed

>>56603430
>talking about how I understand nothing about hardware (I do actually)

[citation needed]

>You also don't seem to understand that I can know multiple languages, even though my employer demands that I use a higher level one.

Not implied. Learn to read. I'm not an autist and understand that leaning more than one language is fucking easy. But I was talking about what you actually DO with the software. As an example, writing kernel code and application level are different, even though they can use the same language. But you'd know that if you were actually a engineer, right? :^)

>but you can't reference at any point anything I said.

Power usage earlier. Cant be arsed to quote it for you. Don't be stupid.

>This is some hackforums tier shit to brag about.

It was an insult aimed at you for not even knowing day 1 shit. Saying I "actually program" implying that you don't. You're as autistic as you are stupid.

>>56603496
lol samefag confirmed

>>56603526
>I'm not an autist
I'm not sure, you haven't proved yet that you aren't :^^^^)

>Power usage earlier. Cant be arsed to quote it for you. Don't be stupid.
Hmm, yes, what was that? More CPU used means more power used? Was that the one? Are you finally going to go on topic again and drop the ad hominems?

>As an example, writing kernel code and application level are different
I wasn't implying that, different languages are generally used for different things like C which is almost exclusively for low level things. I'm sure kernel development or anything at a comparable level jobs are very rare.

>It was an insult aimed at you for not even knowing day 1 shit.
Literally backtracking: the post

>lol samefag confirmed
Did I mention I was a different person?

>>56603605
>mention
say*

>>56603605
>I wasn't implying that

Oh?

>I'm sure kernel development or anything at a comparable level jobs are very rare.

They also pay well. But I'm not saying you have to do those to know hardware. There's userland stuff that you need to know your stuff for as well.

> Are you finally going to go on topic again and drop the ad hominems?

Why? You're too arrogant to actually have a real discussion with and this is way more fun. I've smiled so much my cheeks hurt.

>>56603700
>They also pay well
Sure, I'm sure the few people who work as kernel developers have a decent salary. Your point?

>There's userland stuff that you need to know your stuff for as well.
You still haven't proved to me that you're not autistic. Prove to me you're not autistic. Apart from reading intel manuals.

>this is way more fun. I've smiled so much my cheeks hurt.
This is some seriously weird shit or very heavy projecting

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>>56603700
>>56603605
>>56603526
>>56603430
>>56603310
>>56603241
>>56603204
>>56603174
>>56603106
>>56603088
>>56603057
>>56603044
>>56603015
>>56602971
>>56602938
>>56602931
>>56602906
>>56602888
>>56602851
>>56602818
>>56602773
>>56602734
>>56602657
>>56602613
>>56601635
>>56601491
>>56601390
>>56601280
>>56601237
>>56601167
>>56601140
>>56601125
autism

>>56603793
>This is some seriously weird shit or very heavy projecting

Schadenfreude is very normal, mate.

>>56603817
Thanks for contributing!

>>56603817
>he loads up his favorite reaction image
>he sends time maticuiously clicking every post in the conversation

you've got autism, too

>>56603817
That would count if I was actually in any pain. I'm probably in the same emotional state as you are right now.

>>56603817
You seriously bothered to reply to all of these posts?

>>56603874
You don't have to be aware of your own misfortune for it to work. In fact, it makes it better if you're not.

>>56603874
>You seriously bothered to reply to all of these posts?

is that directed at yourself in a moment of clarity

>>56603925
You have Asperger's syndrome.

>>56603948
no u

>>56602974
curl and wget

>>56601062
It's not that it's parallelized
it's that it's 100% pegging out 2.5 cores

>>56600625
>>no windows build
Actually a good thing

>>56604040
>100% pegging
>2.5 cores

https://youtu.be/pjvQFtlNQ-M

When I was running servo, it used 4 of my cores, but they never went over 20-25% usage.

>>56602143
>source: my ass

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>>56603941

>>56602269
because they're retards and won't drop gecko

>>56604139
does your mom know youre online

>>56604174
shut your whore mouth

>>56604202
...but I suck dick from there