How the FUCK do they get away with it?

with what?

>>56518538
I think OP is special

>>56518538
convincing school systems the world over to use their inferior products

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>Implying this isn't god-tier

>>56519226
Inferior to what?

>>56519226
that's the Apple way to success

>>56519636
Other calculators.

TI calculators are very overpriced for how weak the hardware is.

I don't know how they do, but I want them to continue because I work for them and am so highly overpaid for what I do that it is ridiculous.

>>56519676
You don't pay for just the hardware. You pay for the hardware, the software, the build quality and the surrounding ecosystem. If you're interested in getting the most gigaflops per dollar I suggest you look at something that isn't a graphing calculator.

>>56519676
>hardware
oh fuck off use you phone then

>>56519676
>for how weak the hardware is.
it's a fucking calculator

>>56519838
doesn't excuse paying more for less

>>56519822
>oh fuck off use you phone then
>you phone
>you
Are you a dumbass? The OP is talking about how school's make TI calculators mandatory.

Anyone know of a way to save information on TI calculator even after someone cleared the ram

>>56518522
They dont. Rest of the world uses Casio

I found the ti-84 way easier to use for statistics than HP50g. Plus, looking up "how to ___ ti-84" gives way more results than "how to ___ hp50g."

>>56519881
>doesn't excuse paying more for less
it's a fucking calculator

if you're doing shit with your fucking calculator where the hardware is severely limiting you (beyond "my god y=x took 2 SECONDS to draw oh the wasted productivity!") you shouldn't be using a calculator anyway, use mathematica like the rest of the world who actually does productive work instead of bitching and moaning on /g/ about trivial shit nobody cares about

>>56521187
Depends on type, but any archived programs will survive a ram clear. Then just unarchive it when you need to access it again.

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>>56521207
>Rest of the world uses Casio
This. I always preferred my trusty cfx to any TI I've ever tried.

>>56521393
ah yes, the terrorist calculator

>>56521207
No they don't, TI is standard in most of Europe.

>>56519400
>implying any shitty 80$ smartphone isn't better than that.

>>56521409
no

>>56519400
Nspire cx cas is my waifu.

>>56519400
the graphics look like some shitty windows xp program lmao

>>56521452
It is in Portugal although teachers also let you use Casio too.

>>56521472
The graphics are optional, it's default a graph.

You also realize that TI cares very little about their calculator side of the company? I've worked there for a little over a year now and calculators make up only around 10% of their revenue.

>>56521452
Yes, name a single country in Europe where casio is more common as the standard than TI at high schools and colleges.

I bought a TI-83 Plus in 1998 and have used it ever since. It is within reach at this very moment.

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what's /g/'s opinion on this?

thinking of getting it for school

>>56521535
Casio is for sure the most common here in Norway. I saw some HPs at uni as well, but never TIs.

For what reason would you need a graphing calculator? If your university isn't shit they are going to forbid any other aid except pen and paper on an exam. For labs you should just use maple or matlab.

>>56518522
government contracts retard
you are literally trained to use their products from the age of 12

>>56521804
>For what reason would you need a graphing calculator?
To graph.

>>56521831
Sounds like high school math

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>These guys don't have HP Calculators with RPN

Cucks
Use
Calculators

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The Dollar Tree has a brand of scientific calculator for just $1. Shit's all you'll ever need.

>>56521978
but thats not a graphing calculator

>>56521586
>ti-84
Yeah, it's good.

>>56522044
What are you doing that you can get away without graphing something in matlab to turn in with your work

>>56522044

So? Do you graph things in your everyday life? I imagine most people don't.

To answer OP: TI hardware is practically ancient. They overprice it because high school calculus classes mandate that students buy specific graphing calculator models. i.e. economic exploitation

Although the function of a graphing calculator would otherwise be niche and that in itself might justify a higher pricetag, the fact that these calculators are fucking MANDATED ensures that TI units are consistently moved. They could indeed be priced at a lower rate without TI having to absorb any losses.

>>56521586
You could just get the ti 84 silver edition if that one's too pricy.
Don't get the ti 89, its awkard to use. You have to press a diamond key to switch between output formats

>>56522063
An exam

>>56522289
>calculators and slide rulers allowed on an exam
lol that has to be some high school thing. If there is an university that actually allows that I want to know which one so we never hire people that graduated from there

>>56519803
All schools do with them is arithmetic and maybe basic graphing and system solving. The only reason to get a good calculator for school besides the requirement is to cheat at calculus.

>>56522335
It depends on the class. If it's math, you're told to fuck off.

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/g/ of all places should understand the value of dedicated hardware, no? They are fast, purpose designed and portable, if you actually work with numbers you'll want one around..

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>>56521393
that's fucking cool as hell looking I want one.

I picked up an Hp-50 recently. I'm still learning to use it, but it's pretty damn cool. It's got the same functionality as a Ti-89 but at 50 bucks.

It's a great buy if you're willing to cast off the shackles of TI. You earn some brownie points with hp fags too.

>haha just use matlab/mathematica
I mean yeah I can totally open up whatever I want, but I like owning a calculator. It feels good to use, and I don't have to waste power on trivial calculations if I'm drafting something up or turning in a homework assignment.

>>56519676
What other calculators retard

>>56519226
Here you go familia
https://youtu.be/zoGl8-Wc-L0

>>56522436
Any Android phone made in the past decade with an app.

>>56521172

My school allowed TI, Casio, and HP. Sorry you went to school in a gulag.

>>56522466
Are you mentally retarded? Please tell me this is bait. Where do you go to school where you're allowed to use your fucking phone during exams.

>>56522335

>I solve systems of partial differential equations by hand in an engineering class to show how special I am

>>56518522
Their dac and amp chip are fucking top notch

>>56522466
You can't use a general purpose computer with an internet connection during an exam. It makes cheating too easy. Whether open book exams are better or worse is another argument.

>>56521811
Oh shit

>>56522335
I study math at a "top 100 university", whatever that means. Math exams don't allow calculators, but some statistics exams do. In the exams that allow calculators, some of the questions would probably require at least half an hour of calculations for an average student to complete without a calculator.

>>56522521
>Had to do that while learning differential equations.
Never again.

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>>56518522
My college only allows for Casio fx-991MS to be used on any meaningful projects or tests

>>56521443
Cant take that to a test with you.

>>56519400
It's god tier

>>56518522
College Board and various Departments of Education at several states are more or less owned by Texas Instruments.

>>56519226
You can get used ones for like 20 and in almost mint condition despite being 10 yo

>>56518522
HP stopped making calculators. What's on the market that isn't shit?

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/TG204-Scientific-Graphing-Calculator-Color-SAT-Exam-Computer-Graphics-Programming-Genuine-Informatica-Calculadora-Cientifica/32604864518.html

should i buy it?

>>56522450
>"lazy game reviews"
No wonder this person doesn't have an education and spergs out on calculator companies.

>>56522521
This just gets more confusing. Why are you calculating stuff in class? The professor should be showing you how to do that by hand and then you do exercises on your free time. If you have issues you seek help from one of the assistants on help time slots.

>>56522686
>In the exams that allow calculators, some of the questions would probably require at least half an hour of calculations for an average student to complete without a calculator.
I don't see the problem. Sometimes I handed in 10 pages for one exam problem. It just seems the education has gotten more lax.

>>56522420
How to do confidence intervals on this?

>>56523250
I hate to break this to you anon but a calculator, no matter how powerful, will not help you talk to grills.

>>56523214

>I went to an ELITE university and did everything better than you and still do because I don't use a calculator: the post

>>56523004

I don't see a program feature so it might be a meme

I like the binary hex and octal feature though

>>56523250
You don't need anything special to do confidence intervals, ya dummy. You need the addition and multiplication keys.

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>>56519400
Die, prefix notation heretic. Begone!

HP is God's chosen calculator.

Any calculator particularly useful for engineers/ME's?

>had to buy a ti83 for high school
>didn't use it even a single time
Thanks guys

By making deals with Pearson, Holt, and McGraw Hill to include instructions for their calculators in the textbooks

>>56518522
>Needing anything more than the ti84 you got 10 years ago
how?

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>>56522237
>diamond key
This rustles my jimmies

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>>56523970
>>56522420
If HPs are God's chosen calculators, God is obviously an engineer.

>>56522466
Shitty, tiny, ugly touch screen buttons with no feedback whatsoever

Just use a real computer at that point

>>56518522
In uni bookstores where students have no choice but to buy

Elsewhere high school affiliation

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Step aside, boys.

THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE is the only scientific calculator you'll ever need.

Allowed on any test (Including the FE). You got number solvers. You got system solvers. You got conversions. You have a table function. You get definite integrals AND derivatives. You have a dedicated quadratic/poly solver. Shit man, do you have to solve anything yourself? Basically, no.

Black finish. D-pad and operations in a smooth shiny silver. Sexy blue accents. Objectively the best looking calculator on the market.

And the price. Ho boy, the price. This little number can basically do everything a graphing calculator can do (except actually graph) for the low low price of about $20.

Texas Instruments may be the most cancerous shit when it comes to big ticket calculators, but who the hell needs that shit? This is a true engineer's calculator.

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>>56526214
This.
Studying in last year of engineering here and have never used anything other than pic related.

When you need to actually plot shit or calculate complicated integrals just use your computer. Always took the exams with this tiny calculator too, it meant that I often had to be smart about some tricky calculations but it's good practise.

>>56521393
Yep, that was the one that was standard when I went to high school.

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>>56522420
>>56523970
>>56524595
rpn4evr

>>56521278
I want a Tegra 3 in it with a 720p screen tho

>>56521498
>work for Ti . 10 % revenue from calcs
How retarder the fuck are you

>>56523214
>I don't see the problem. Sometimes I handed in 10 pages for one exam problem. It just seems the education has gotten more lax.
Maybe so. I wouldn't mind if math education focused a bit more on speedy arithmetic, as many in the field are completely useless at it. Contrary to popular belief, being good at arithmetic is important in almost every field of mathematics, including technical, abstract fields. Obviously the people in charge at the university disagree.

i don't give a shit about calculators but if i ever needed one, i'd go for texas instruments, obviously

casio top lel, are you a faggot or something?

>not buying superior texan hardware
wew

>>56521498

>tfw that's all normies know us for and not because we make literally all their electronics work

its nearly impossible to explain people what I do without just saying "I make computer chips"

>>56521619
Can confirm for Norway and add that Ireland lets you use whatever you want, so Casio ends up being the most popular.

>>56522703
Doing this in uni, I've got a lot of math but never ever use a graphing calculator.

Because closed-source hardware is allowed to exist.
If it wasn't, they'd be at a reasonable price.

>>56521409
I'm a German engineering student and I never seen a single TI calculator in my life.

>>56527865
That's funny because I've met German engineering students owning TIs.

you know how ex-presidents live in texas?
and how they have ties to school regulations that say ti calcs are MANDATORY?

that's how. political corruption.

>>56521409
On high schools (or something equal in your schoolsystem) yes, but you won't see them in Uni.

>>56518522
Why would you buy a new TI-83/4? Got mine for 20 bucks for school used.

>>56527865
I'm Swabian, we had to use TIs in high school.

>>56527865
TI calculators were mandatory for every math class i've had in school in lower saxony.

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>>56521804
Have fun doing calculus 3 exams without a calculator.
You have 120 minutes and a hundred questions, you must show all your work on all of them and they look like pic related. If you don't follow all the steps you get it wrong.

Remember, you aren't shit so you don't need a calculator, your should be able to do this no problem right?

>>56528583
>high school mathematics
>gives you the formula to solve
Exams lasted 5 hours and there were typically 8 problems. Problem 1 to 5 everyone could solve if they actually had studied and some of the problems would have been trivial with a calculator once you found the equation. Problem 6-8 required a brain and no graphing calculator in the world would actually help you if you have no idea how to solve the problem.

>>56528583
And there is exactly 0 step in this that requires a calculator. Worse than that, in this type of exercise it actually slows you down considerably.

>>56522860
>>>56521443
>Cant take that to a test with you.

When you finish your junior high and end up pumping gas for cars, you're not gonna need that.

Professional people use professional tools, such as matlab.

>>56528583
You're in high school, right?

>early highschool, early 2000s
>convince mom to get me my own ti-83 instead of having to use the class ones
>$100 purchase
>take good care of it
>always put it in the same spot in my room
>mom decides one day to clean my (already clean) room out of nowhere, moves the calculator
>I have no idea where it went
>SHE had no idea where it went
>gets on my case for YEARS about how she bought me the expensive calculator just for me to lose it, despite telling her every time that she was the one that lost it
>lost to this day

>>56518522
state subsidy in the form of their machines being mandatory in courses.

>>56519400
if this costs more than 20$ it's overprized.

>>56523970
>128K RAM
lmao, you couldn't make this shit up

>>56519803
HA! BAiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

>>56528583
Well, if you actually have to write down all the steps inbetween (instead of just the end result), you might as well do it in your head. It's not like it's a particularly difficult question if you studied/practiced beforehand and like doing this stuff.

>>56519822
Schools don't allow phones on tests due to internet connectivity.

>>56518522
This company also makes guiding systems for smart bombs and rockets.
There is your answer.

>>56519676
It's a god damn calculator

It does what it needs to do faggot

>>56529928
and costs double what it needs to cost, faggot

>>56521207
Who gives a fuck. We're not the rest of the world

How do I overclock my TI-82 calculator screen?

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>tfw had to do all that shit by hand when I was getting my degree because no calculators/cellphones/computers/etc were allowed during exams.

Kinda jelly of you guys because it seems way easier to do stuff that way.

>>56522686
>some of the questions would probably require at least half an hour of calculations for an average student to complete without a calculator.
I think it's more the fact that even with a calculator you still need to know the how to use it, which means knowing the formula.

If you know the formula then you should be able to do it by hand. It's not like basic math where you just plug a couple of numbers and a plus/minus/multiplication/division symbol.

>>56528583
That seems easy. It was forbidden to use calculators in calculus in my country.
>t. Alberto Barbosa

>>56518522
because the real engineers dont use faggoty graphical calculators. So they dont give a fuck
also all their products are pretty much master race
>inb4 muh ST

>>56521804
literally this.
>>56528583
>calculus 3
KEK that shit was fucking easy m8, talk to me when you know complex analysis, how fucking useful is your shitty calculator then?

>>56531334
Oh it's not hard, but good luck doing 100 problems of similar complexity covering distant subjects in 120 minutes.

You think you can do a problem like that AND show all your work every 1.2 minutes? For two hours?

texas instruments makes dac chips and receiver chips for audio that are pretty good.

>>56521586
I'm using one for my calculus class. The grapher is a bit weird sometimes. If you plot (1,1) it will look like y=1. If you trace the line only (1,1) will be there but it looks like y=1

>>56531813
>muh 100 problems
>muh 120 minutes
>muh quantity over quality
kek is this middle school? What job and research opportunities involve putting in 100 trivial problems into a calculator? Please tell me the name of this school. I'm very interested in hearing where this practise is accepted.

>>56531911
I said no calculator faggot, it's time to get good.

>>56531948
I said state the name of your third rate education institute. Such exams you describe on university level are as meaningful as proving you can multiply and use division with a calculator. I've never heard of a university doing things like this before.

>>56532018
GET GUD

>>56522436
HP

>>56530752
but when you can save time for mindless calculations there is more room for real questions

>>56526214
I got mine for like $15 - I had a dumb class that specifically only allowed scientific calculators on exams. Now I use this one more frequently since it's smaller and easier to fit in my overstuffed laptop bag. Also I've never had to change the battery.

>>56522466
Using an app would require me to downgrade my phone. I'd rather just get a dedicated calculator.

>>56531813
>goodluck
As if doing 100 of those exercises is hard.

>>56522367
>cheat at calculus.

your highschool didn't have a half of the test with no calculators allowed and a half where it can't be solved in time without calculators?

>>56529229
It's almost as if it's a 20 year old calculator or something. Oh wait, it is!

>>56519400
why would I do those sort of calculation on overpriced underpowered hardware with a shit display

What a meme

>>56518522
the same way all the other conglomerates do

i challenge anyone to find one (1) flaw with the ti-84 plus silver edition

>>56531060

No

anything with just a formula you can program in

>>56534283
no RPN.

What do I win?

>>56534339
rpn is a meme and unnecessary for the large majority

>>56534386
>find a flaw
>I found one
>b-but that doesn't count!
Fuck off.

>>56521409
False, Ti, Casio, HP... a big LIST of allowed devices, older ones, newer ones... as long as you cant access internet your good. also, the teachers have a small guide how to reset all your settings before exams. (wich some calculator mods you can "fix" hehe)

Netherlands btw.

>>56534404
it isn't a flaw, though
rpn isn't necessary for calculations, it's a preference
nice thy though :)

>>56534432
It's a flaw.

>>56534503
no, it isn't. did you read my post? do you understand rpn? you don't NEED rpn to do any calculations. not having an unnecessary feature (read: bloat) is not a flaw you fucking high schooler

>>56521172
>about how school's make
>school's

TI-89, TI-84 or TI-nspire CX CAS?

>>56534533
You don't NEED keys to type either but that doesn't mean a touchscreen is flawless in comparison to a real keyboard.

>>56534641
HP-50G

>>56534713
>HP-50G
Is that the best calculator I can get?

why do you even need a graphing calculator in high school?

>>56535703
For graphing calculations?

>>56532598
We shouldn't be discussing 20 year old calculators, for the same reasons we don't discuss 20 year old processors. What the fuck happened to progress?

>>56519400
Convoluted as fuck brah

Also a worker there invented the integrated circuit so they can

>>56535735
>What the fuck happened to progress
We're not talking about a TI calculator here. That's a calc from the HP 48 series. Since then there's been the 49 series, the 50 series, and the Prime (if not more)

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>>56534533
>crying about Muh Bloat(TM) while trying to defend the use of a fully fledged computer complete with a fucking BASIC interpreter to do simple math people have done by hand for thousands of years
gotta love minimaltards

go back to your gaymer fridge and macbook circlejerks

>>56535735
>What the fuck happened to progress?
What "progress" were you expecting? 1080p amortization? Multithreaded function plotting? An accessory prostate massager that uses your arousal level to sense what calculation you want to perform? They're fucking calculators, built for quickly performing simple tasks we had down to a science long before modern computers even existed. They don't need "progress" in anything but outward appearance and building materials.

>>56522524
lol

>>56534641
what class?

>>56519803
>the surrounding ecosystem
You mean the government enforced monopoly in public schools and standardized tests?

>>56529007
>matlab
>professional
top lel

>>56536314
>it's another "undergrad who thinks people seriously give a fuck about python outside of hipster web devs" episode

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>>56536184
Electrical Engineering

>>56535837

> it has a language called basic
> bloat

>>56537296

you should use the most expensive one you are allowed to use

>>56537482
There is no exams of that kind here. We can use whatever we can get our hands on. Laptops and everything is allowed at exams.

So I am really just looking for the absolute best to use with my studies and hopefully future job.

>mfw used to own a TI-84 for muuh IB Math and Physics classes
>mfw I watch some vid in Pajeet English with instructions on how to install Super Mario in the TI-84 Plus
>me, being a huge ass retard tries to do so
>mfw I end bricking my calculator

>>56537599
surface pro 4 with maple, matlab and/or wolfram alpha

>>56537729

A fucking laptop with LT spice

gtfo with that surface pro garbage

>>56518522
They are made to have long lasting batteries
Its not a smartphone
:^)

>>56537759
I bet you take notes on a laptop too faggot.

>>56537729
>>56537759
I have a lovely Thinkpad W530. And use it whenever I can.
But I am in a class full of normies..
So taking my W530 with me where ever I go just to do calculations is autistic as fuck
And carrying a calculator would be a lot easier than carrying that around. :)

>>56521443
this

someone PLEASE download the DESMOS app on iOS. idk if it's on Android. But seriously. It is vastly superior to these shitty graphing calculators in every single way. It is a million times more intuitive. You don't need to fuck around with window parameters and zoom and shit, just zoom in and out like you would normally on a smartphone. Seriously, try it if you haven't. It's a million times better and I use it all the time on homework and in class, but unfortunately am not allowed to use it on quizzes or exams.

>>56537902
wolfram alpha on your cellphone then

>>56518522
>How the FUCK do they get away with it?

you mean owning SONY?

>>56537441
>BASIC interpreter
>on a fucking calculator
>not bloat

>>56529214
>state subsidy in the form of their machines being mandatory in courses.

Private industry lobbying government. Nothing new.

>>56537974
I don't have a smartphone. Im poor studen plz

>>56537997
>pretending you know shit

>>56538616
what am I pretending? you called something as simple as fucking RPN "needless bloat" and then when I pointed out that the thing you're shilling includes a full-featured programming language out of the box that can't even be used effectively without external development tools, it's not bloat?

it's you who should stop pretending you know shit, because you don't

Honestly I don't understand how someone hasn't slapped together a competitor to the TI-84 and sold it for like half the price. I mean the components in it are like $10 at most and the software isn't anything special.

>>56538804
because the TI-84 isn't popular on hardware/software alone

>>56518522

That the logo says Tit if you interpret texas as a T?

>>56538818
Then what is it? The fact that schools sell them? Wouldn't the schools also be interested in a lower price?

>>56538846
>The fact that schools sell them?
And the fact that it's all they'll take for their exams.
>Wouldn't the schools also be interested in a lower price?
They're public institutions, they're already rolling in more money than they know what to do with. It marks up all the same.

>>56519226
>the world over
>the school district that I go to, I have never actually been anywhere else in my life

>>56540190
>denying TI's monopoly's existence
You're either incredibly retarded or a shill

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>>56526214
This fucking calculator is god tier. I can't believe how OP at $20 piece of plastic could be. The auto-solvers are incredible. It's like a pocket Wolfram Alpha Lite.

>>56541789
>You're either incredibly retarded or a shill
Why not both?

>>56542078
Good point

>>56527595
What chips do you make, anon?

Your free samples are god tier, I can request shit and have it show up half way around the world faster than I can get it from halfway across my city.

>>56537296
>electrical engineering
Thinking of going back to college after a couple years away
Would it be living hell going for that degree?

>>56518522
HP 32sii master race

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even worse is when they allow open book tests but all your books are on your computer.Fuck that shit.

>>56543312

>What chips do you make, anon?

automotive microcontrollers. they are a bitch to improve because of the tight automotive requirements.

Yeah the free samples are great. I used them while in college for my senior design project. The free overnight delivery was awesome.

>>56526214

this is fucking amazing. I kept my TI-84 Plus Silver Edition form 7th grade to junior year of college. I lost it and got this and I wondered why I didnt get it sooner. I really like the fractional display.

What's the best cheapo calculator you guys reccomend?

>>56530652
remove capacitor c7, replace with a lower picofarad capacitor

>>56543462
Neat. TMS320 series or the ARM stuff?

>>56543476
How cheap is cheapo?

FX-991 or Ti 36X series are good if you don't need graphing,

>>56521207
You mean Citizen probably.

>>56543718
0/10, not even remotely funny

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step aside lads

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>>56544350
>not RPN
1/10, you tried

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>Americans use calculators to resolve their equations
>implying Archimedes, Pythagoras, Pascal and Euler used Casio/Texas Instruments xxxx Super deluxe V40
There is absolutely no reason to be using calculators with mathematics/ sciences

>>56537296
You only require a calculator that can handle imaginary numbers, once you learn wave theory and the other mathematics encapsulated with the units you shouldn't need to touch a calculator agian

>>56528583
You must go to an endearing state school if your Calc 3 exam (what's that like series and some annoying integration?) asks the kind of asinine questions that become 'how to write a rudimentary command in a CAS' the experience.

>>56518522
There are plenty of calculator fan blogs and historical trivia about Texas Instruments monopoly on calculators for students.

Basically, extremely shady deals with College Board making it so that pretty much only their calculators can be used on exams produced by College Board

>>56544491
Time, nigga