IRC: #/tpg/ on irc.rizon.net Other business laptops are als

Just picked up a t420 and it's pretty good.

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second for maymays

Bought a t430, perfect condition but now I know you faggots weren't kidding about the cancerous screen, 1600x900 doesn't help one bit. Apparently the guy shipping those chink kits stopped doing his thing too: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=118070

Am I fucked?

>>56515061
What's wrong with the screen?

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My dilemma:

T60: 4:3, Old CPU, hard to find in mint condition. botnet (AMT) can be removed by software
T400: 16:10, Oldish but very usable CPU, botnet can be removed through hardware
T410: 16:10, newer hardware, BEST keyboard ever. Can't have botnet removed
T420: 16:9, even newer powerful CPUs available, botnet not going anywhere, best keyboard
T430: 16:9 chiclet shit but can be replaced manually with some modification giving you a god-tier keyboard. New CPU, but botnet can't be removed.
T440+: dog shit

Just got a T430 for school (i5-3320M, 4GB RAM, 320GB HDD), and it has a lot of room for upgrades (8-16GB RAM, SSD, maybe eGPU). My currently Desktop PC (Q9400, GT610 2GB, 4GB DDR2) sucks a lot, and for my birthday I was going to make a build with an i7-6700K (or Zen if performance are really good for a fair price), a 8GB RX 470 and 16GB DDR4, but then I realized that the ThinkPad is better than I expected, so I don't really know if I should build a new Desktop or just buy a dock and upgrade the Laptop. What do you suggest? I'm not an hardcore gamer but sometimes I enjoy games (or at least I would, if this machine didn't suck this much), I do some basic graphics work, a lot of photo editing (I use a lot Photoshop and Lightroom), C++ and hopefully C# programming

My 4 year old L530 is getting somewhat hot on the bottom, CPUs are around 62°C now in summer, hdd is okay at 46°C.
Should I do something against that or only if it gets hotter than that?

>>56515091
Viewing angle is bad. Color contrast is shit. And somehow my eyes feel exhausted after like an hour working on the thing, as if I've been looking at a CRT screen or something.

>>56515127
Didn't they also remove the virtual numpad and add the battery DRM with the T430

>368 charging cycles
>battery only has 19% of it's original capacity

Is this normal for lenovo?

>>56515281
Mine merely lost 50% of its charging capacity.

>>56515354
That's still quite bad. I also have a HP compaq 6730b from 2009 and that one still has 86% of it's original capacity

>>56515281
Depends on the battery manufacturer and number of cells. Obviously, a 6cell will see more cycles than a 9cell and subsequently get worn out faster. I have a T60 9cell from 2007 with 400 cycles on it and it's still at ~75% capacity.

>>56515378
Actually, it's at 55% of its original charging capacity with unknown cycle count. It's a 6 cell x220 tablet I bought off ebay.

>>56515378
>>56515409
By the way, I meant "merely" sarcastically. Losing 50% is bretty bad.

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>>56515400
>I have a T60 9cell from 2007 with 400 cycles on it and it's still at ~75% capacity
Wow, that's exactly like mine, except this one's fucked

Best distro for the x220? Installed debian and not very found of it

>>56515233
>battery DRM
That's gutter tier cancer

>>56515453
FreeBSD

>>56515127
T60 has a better keyboard than any of those other models, and the 15" models have IPS screens. You can also swap in a T61 board and flash Middleton's BIOS on it to use Penryn CPUs and gain SATA II speeds.

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>>56515448
And here's the HP one

>>56515547
>and the 15" models have IPS screens
Only some of the high resolution ones, and they seem to have problems with dust getting into them and rows of pixels breaking at the bottom because the lid flexes every time you move the display

>>56515547
But it's still very difficult to find isn't it?

Keyboard aside, is there any significant difference between the x220 and x230?

>>56515725
Battery DRM

>>56515453
antergos

>>56515731
>Battery DRM
Is there a way around this?

>>56515818
It's REALLY painful, you have to mod the embedded controller firmware and UEFI.
A failed firmware flash and your board is basically toast (unless you know JTAG)
http://www.zmatt.net/unlocking-my-lenovo-laptop-part-1/

>>56515669
I wouldn't say very difficult. They're uncommon for sure, but nothing on the level of an R50p or W701ds. You just have to be patient and watchful. I got a UXGA T60p in near-mint condition with an almost unused genuine Panasonic 9cell battery for $95. The T60p is the safer way to go, since all 15" models had IPS screens, while you'd have to sift through a lot of crappy 1024x768 TN panels looking at regular T60s.

>>56515845
It's worth doing if you want to keep it running for a long time... but may as well just get a T420 if you value your time.

>>56515942
I guess manually recelling the battery is also an option. Are there any lenovo-specific instructions for this?

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Guess what came early lads?
Hint, not me, as it usually is.

>>56515857
Which CPU can I drop in one, like can I drop a T9900 or is that out of the question?

What about maximum RAM.

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>>56516064
Also, there are two 701c's on eBay right now
One beat to shit for ~250
And one beautifully restored, working one with the Japanese key set and AMD processor for almost 600
I can't afford more than 100$ at a time with these things but maybe a richfag could find enjoyment in such a rare thinkpad

Other pic, it's thicker than my G40, that's for sure

>>56516064
>>56516112
Inb4 the screen is DSTN or similar crap

>>56516104
If you do the T61 board swap I mentioned, I think the absolute best you can get in there without physical modification is an X9000 or so. That's stupid, though, because those CPUs cost like $150 for nothing but a 300MHz increase over the much more practical T9300, which only costs ~$20. The T61 board supports a maximum of 8GB of DDR2. Again, it's not really practical to max it out, that'll run you $100+. If you can live with 4GB, do so, and only go over 6GB if you absolutely have to. If you leave the stock board in, your options are much more restricted. Merom is the best CPU generation you have access to, and RAM is restricted to 3GB due to the shitty chipset. You also won't get SATA II, even with BIOS mods.

Just found an i7 2670qm on Craigslist for 50 bucks. Planning on putting it in my t420, which had 12GB ram and ssd already.

Anyone have experience with creating the ultimate memepad? How are temps?

>>56516392
>ultimate memepad
Isn't that the W701ds or a fully specced T61p?

Can I use my thinkpad in the bathtub or will the humidity be bad for it?

Tell me good people - is 8470p in a really good shape worth 180$?
It has 320gb standard disk, 1600x900 screen, 8 gigs of ram and bios password. The seller seems trustworthy.

>>56516699
>bios password
Don't do it

>>56516774
>>56516699
Also the display is really bad in that model
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HP-EliteBook-8470p-Notebook.83640.0.html

is $60 for a t410 a good deal even though it has a crap battery.

Is it normal that the T60 volume buttons are not linked to the windows one?

>>56516774
>>56516800
Thanks, but why BIOS password would cumber in anything? I planned to use it with eGPU, would that password prevent that? I see russians have a method of removing it, but don't know how well it would work unless I tried it.
And the screen is shitty in T420/T430 as well.

Anybody running Elementary OS on a T420? Any issues I should know?

>>56516317
>tfw I have the parts to max out a T61, but lack the laptop itself

>>56516900
i forgot to metion that it has 4 gigs of ram and an i5

>>56517224
>Any issues I should know?
Yes, elementary sucks

>>56516317
Hmmm damn, why do people do the board swap instead of sticking with the T61? Is it over the monitor?

So you really have to buy the T61 mainboard, does that cost a lot?

>>56517263
You have the WUXGA screen, 8GB RAM and a main board with a non-defective nvidia?

So I just bought my first Thinkpad. Got a t40 for goodwill with 512MB RAM and a 30GB HDD for $10. Had to do the GPU trick. Installed gentoo. Its currently compiling xorg and other things while I'm at work. I'm loving the look and feel of it. Its making me want to buy a x220 or a x230, maybe another t series. Should I go for it? I already have a MacBook running gentoo, along with my ideapad (its a y510p) any advice?

>>56517353
>GPU trick
That won't last long.

>>56517033
You could also try this if there's no admin password:
http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c03767649

>>56517396
That's true. But it's working for now, I mean, it was $10 and I'm just seeing how long it'll work. So far it's working well :)

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Hi guys!
Back from yesterday with the x230t.
I installed Antergos as one of you recommended.
It was easy to install as you told me, and works quite nicely.
I already found some courses on learning linux but I'm wondering if you have/know any sites or source for learning it efficiently. (For those who didn't see my post yesterday, I want to learn linux server admin stuff [from scratch])
Thanks again and have a nice day! c:

>>56517303
The screen, yes. There are no 15" 4:3 T61s, and the 15.6" 16:10 T61 does not have an IPS screen.

It's more cost effective to just buy a whole T61 than to fuck around buying separate motherboards. Get an Intel model, because the Nvidia ones like to kill themselves and you can buy an Advanced Dock to add external graphics if you need it. You need to get a 4:3 14" T61, no other shape will fit. There's also a couple of modifications you have to make to the T60 chassis, but it's fairly easy. This video should cover anything I forgot to mention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m74otZqd2Y

>>56517439
The laptop starts windows 7. Does that mean it doesnt have admin password? I was one click away from buying and you guys scared me, lol. It seems like pretty good value for Ivy Bridge with docking and eGPU capabilities.

>>56517549
>Does that mean it doesnt have admin password?
no, that just means no startup password. Keep in mind that it might not even allow booting from anything else than the HDD. If it has a fingerprint reader, it probably won''t work since you can't reset it. Some other things might be also disabled in the BIOS and you won't be able to enable them.

>>56517590
Ok, I see. Will search for something else. Thanks for help.

There is a refurbished X1 Carbon on woot for $500.

Could be ok

>>56518741
There are 3 generations of them

can a t420 keyboard fit on a t400?

I really like that keyboard a lot more

>>56519403
I don't think it'll fit, but even if it does, it would be electrically incompatible because of the added LEDs and microphone mute button. I think it is possible to swap in a T60/T61 keyboard for that sweet steel backplate though.

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My second 10 dollar t400 arrived. This guy's keyboard is more beat up and dirty and thing is missing a few screws...

Gonna give him a bit of a clean up at work.

>>56519593
>tfw i want to get a t400 to replace my t420 just because of the 16:10 screen

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benis

What should be the ideal temperature for x230 for light tasks like browsing. Getting 70 degrees here.

>>56519813
Curiosity peaked

X260 or XPS13?

paid for by my company. Each with similar specs: i5, 1080p, 8gb, 256ssd.

Help pls

I love my x220, but I know I'll never get another keyboard like it :(

>>56519988
There are two others on sale but I am unfamiliar of the brands
http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Sep-2016/StoreItAll_09/index-landing.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL090916

I want to get the 128GB SD card but I don't know if it will work in the T420's card reader

>>56520059
XPS13 is a flimsy toy compared to any thinkpad

>>56520059
the x260 keyboard is same/better for writing, but the layout otherwise is shitty.
The color gamut is the other downside, but if you like 15 hour battery life over 9 hours, you can probably rationalize it.

>>56520091
That SD card looks appealing, I'd probably get a USB/SD Card adapter just in case.

That other SSD looked refurbished so I would get the first one. Although I'm not at a point yet where I see the benefit of a large SSD on a laptop when you have a large HDD as a storage drive and an external drive.

>>56515453
There is no best distro. There is only the best one for each individuals capabilities, taste and needs.

This might help :
http://i.imgur.com/jy1BF.png

x240 yay or nay?
Light web browsing and pdf.

>>56515127
get a t430, the better performance of hd 3000 and hd 4000 is actually very noticeable, and keyboard sucks but takes getting used to. i've found that it isn't the chiclet so much that is unbearable, but the ass backwards layout.

also, can anyone recommend me a battery solution for my t430?

can you trust non-oem batteries, or should i buy a used 9 cell battery for $30?

i don't have $90 dollars to shell out on a single battery, i would rather put that towards another thinkpad, or a ram upgrade to my backup laptop.

>>56520340
if that's all you're gonna do, get something cheaper

>>56515217
you can buy the kit from 51nb however I believe there are flickering issues

>>56520284
> Land on fuduntu
> domain name doesn't work

>>56520358
Mmm it's only 250 and I like the design
Never used a thinkpad before

>>56515281
i have a t420 9cell from 2011 with 555 cycles and 80% capacity

currently i'm using a 2011 9cell with 300 cycles and 90% capacity

>>56520341
you can buy a new 9cell battery for around $60

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Genuine-OEM-Original-IBM-ThinkPad-Battery-55-9-Cell-57Y4186-Sealed-in-Box-/302033555273?hash=item46529a4f49:g:m5QAAOSwEjFXfrz2#shpCntId

make sure you get the 55++ model

>>56517509
>linux server admin
Do you torrent?
demonoid.pw is a good start, here's a link :

https://www.demonoid.pw/files/?category=0&subcategory=All&quality=All&seeded=2&external=2&query=linux+administration&uid=0&sort=

>>56520439
thanks man, i didn't know they went as low as $50

>>56520376
I checked it out, yeah it's a bit outdated. If you run a netbook, then Xubuntu is somewhat similar to your choice of fuduntu, yet xubuntu is also stable light and very active.

>>56520230
>I'm not at a point yet where I see the benefit of a large SSD on a laptop when you have a large HDD as a storage
Ever since I dropped my 5th generation ipod and shattered the disk ive never been comfortable with spinning disks in portable devices.

>>56520230
I made the switch to thinkpad and SSD at the same time, three months ago

its fucking amazing. totally silent except when the fan starts, and that only happens during 1080p HD playback on youtube, not from external storage.

sometimes it doesn't even kick in at all and stays quiet and cool.
i wouldn't recommend a large SSD either though to be honest, $100 for a 256gb SSD still is nowhere near the price per GB of a HDD. I'd get a 128gb ssd, load the OS on it, and then get a flash drive or small external hard drive.

Is the keyboard connection supposed to have pins that are a little bit off? I tried to take a picture but my autofocus is FUD.

>>56520495
yes i do, and thank you

>>56520732
Oh, laptop side, by the way.

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>>56520732
Got a picture, finally.

Will Windows 7 or 10 make an x100e explode? I'm not having overheating issues with Debian, but I was hoping to run my MIDI sequencing software and Wine isn't cutting it. Single core, 4GB RAM, 120GB SSD.

>>56516392
2720qm here

do it

>>56520926
7 should be fine, it's pretty lightweight if you don't install too much stupid shit. If you want to use 10 make sure there's still driver support for critical things (wlan, igpu) as even a lot of newer laptops got shafted.

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I replaced the garbage default TN on with a great samsung IPS on my 450. The new panel is gorgeous but I notice the controller part (underside of the screen) gets very hot if I run it on max brightness. Is this normal on IPS, or is it just because its an aftermarket display?

Is not big deal as max is way too much anyway, I just just thought that it was kinda weird that it allows it to get so hot.

What's the best 12" laptop around $250? I'm going to use it for some light gaming (like GTA V with the lowest settings at 800x600)

>>56521056
Thanks! I think I'd like to dual boot, but I'll have to wipe it and install Windows first I guess.

>>56521133
x220/x220t for hd3000 gpu
x230/x230t for hd4000 gpu
I don't think any of those will run gta v but both can do an eGPU setup if you want to play heavy shit.

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>>56520091
My T430s didnt like 64GB SD cards but it could of been that particular model/technology & Linux Mint 17.1 issue.

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>>56521246
>>56521389
if you aren't trolling, i find this somewhat funny

anyways, look up the service manual PDF, find the lenovo DIY service videos, and/or go to youtube. get a new keyboard

>>56521246
>>56521389
>Wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
huh never thought spilling water on your keyboard turns you japanese

>>56521246
Your w contact has gotten some grime on it, so its going bonkers.
remove the keyboard, bathe it in water, wait two days for it to dry or one day & blow dry it (don't jam the blow dryer right up to it) and it should be fine.

Additionally inspect the motherboard for any water damage, clean with Isopropryl alcohol.

>>56521605
>>56521427
tryu[p]ing on x201 KB noW. }I think its the laptop itself.

>>56521654
burn it then

Anyone playing old games on their T420 via wine/dosbox? How's the performance?

What do you have in your expresscard slot?

>>56521719
:(
I guess I'll lug around a USB KB for a while.

>>56521857
external gpu

I know very few people recommend buying the new lenovo chinkpads here, but my company is buying one for me, why the fuck not?

Anyway, I'm stuck between the newest X1 Carbon, the T460s, the T460p, and the usual T460. I'm also stuck between 1980 vs 2560 WQHD resolution screens.

X1 Carbon
>super lightweight
>best screen from reading all the comments on Lenovo Forums
>but can't upgrade ram in the future, only can upgrade SSD
>battery can't be hotswapped
>no ethernet cable (don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing, considering i mostly use wifi)

T460s
>super lightweight, just a little bit heavier than the X1 carbon
>screen lottery bullshit (sometimes good sometimes bad), but worse quality than the X1
>don't know if it's the same for 2560 resolution screens
>can upgrade pretty much anything, but batter can't be hotswapped like in older notebooks

T460
>noticeably heavier than the other two, but still not too heavy
>but upgradeable in pretty much anything
>still shit screen problems (don't know about 2560 resolution screens though)
>can hotswap

T460p
>the heaviest
>but has quad core
>probably the best in terms of hardware and upgradability choices
>but i read that it's a fucking fireplace of a computer (ie heats up a lot)
>also outside made of cheap plastic
>can hotswap

Which one /g/? The choice between T460s and X1 carbon is so difficult. The only thing probably that really puts me on the X1 side is the great screen

SO I HAVE BRAIN PROBLEMS and just realized the t420 is supposed to have bluetooth.

After some reading, I just turned it on in bios, but I still can't find any way to actually turn it on / connect to it.

Should I post this in /sqg/ because there's something stupidly easy to fix it with?

>>56522698
Are you running Windows?

>>56522768
I am, yeah

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How well would Windows 7 run on a T41?

>inb4 gentoo

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252526229214?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

>>56522921
you can run windows 7 on a t41.
but you are FAR better of using linux or windows XP
plus keep in mind that that thing is not useful for anything other than looks at this point

>>56522921
step 1. install gentoo
step 2. remote to a real computer with a 7 session

>>56522897
Gotcha, I heard that sometimes those bluetooth cards will ONLY work with Windows, but since you're running Windows my point is completely invalid.

>>56522921
get chromium os

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>>56522937
The pre-Lenovo aesthetic was godtier

>>56522989
and that's why it isn't 2000% useless
only 200% useless

Gonna install Linux on my T420 when my new ssd arrives today.

Do i need any thinkpad-specific packages aside from tp_smapi and acpi_call?

well I bought this "sealed new" 9cell for my T420 off ebay, however when I got it:

box is not sealed
battery looks new but SN does not match the one on box
battery outputs 0v and does not charge

any thoughts /g/? Have I been gotten? The seller is a 16yr old ebay account with almost 30,000 99% feedback

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>>56523635
pic related

>>56523654
just exercise your shitbay buyer god privilege

>>56523745
how? when I click "I received the wrong item or damaged item" it just processes me through a refund

Fuck that, shipping was $50 to my country and it will be another $50 to send it back

>>56522921
like shit. Its slow on my X61t.

>>56523763
try to contact the seller and see if they're going to cooperate (probably not because shipping costs)

otherwise, open a claim with that item
there's another way to do it so that shitbay has to rule on what the final decision will be on the item.

Trust me, I've been fucked over by scam buyers to learn this

>>56522209
T460p with the 2560 panel.

>>56523934
i'm leaning there myself, but it is pretty heavy (1.8 kg, or 4 pounds) and i'll need to carry the fucker every day which can be a pain in the ass

Hi guys. Have you ever had a problem with your thinkpad screen backlight turning on but the display not displaying anything? I had a new refurbished Thinkpad X230 for almost a month now and this is happening to me for the third time. On the two first occasions it resolved itself without me doing anything special and on all three occasions it started occurring when booting the system and didn't stop occurring until a random amount of reboots. This is freaking me out.

>>56524247
It's not so bad. You'll be used to it in a week.

>>56522989
Install Windows 2000

>>56524408
do you have one? how would you comment on the plastic or the heating issues? those are the only concerns i have at this point

>>56524526
I don't, but a friend does. I haven't got anything good to say about the build quality of any current ThinkPads, unfortunately. I would imagine it's at least as durable as the base model T460.

>>56524558
does he like it? sorry i'm asking so many questions but i'm genuinely curious because so few people seem to have (or comment about) the t460p

>>56524589
They seem to enjoy it, haven't heard any complaints.

So the Intel Active Management interface has a password on my x201. Is it a backdoor?

>>56524737
*management engine*

Hi, Freetard here.

Just got a t420 and installed Parabola. Considering it's a FSF-approved, free-as-in-freedom zealot distrobution, the wifi card doesn't work.

Can the T420's Wifi card be easily changed to something that runs free software?

Curious if I can change this to something easily or if I'll have to use a Wifi dongle.

>>56524737
I happen to have the source code for all Intel software on my computer and yes. Active Management Engine installs an SSH server on your machine that will give full access to your computer to anyone who logs in as user "iamthensa".

To prevent this from happening, just post a Facebook status advising Intel that you forbid them from spying on you.

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>>56524876
Install Debian
>this CAPTCHA

>>56525084
fuggof I just want to know if I can get paypal to refund me if the seller won't give me the password, and if it does anything that i'm missing out on

>>56525108
Just flash the CMOS nignog.

>>56522209
T460 owner here
the battery life is amazing, even better if you have more than one external battery
the display is kinda awful, color reproduction is terrible, but it's okay if you're not using it for anything where color might be important
other than that, it's pretty great

oh yeah, and you can pull the battery out while it's running and freak people out

How to clean the back of the x220? I want to at least hide some scratches. I read somewhere I could use furniture products...

>>56524737
There are ways to reset it. Disable AMT in BIOS, then reenable it.

>tfw run ethernet cable to docking station

wired mouse, wired mechanical keyboard, wired internets, USB hard drive, 22" monitor, speakers

docking station is so fucking dank

>>56526398
Fuck off mr vapefag left hand mouse user.

>>56526411
i'm gonna get an ultrabay battery next

>>56526423
Not for that T420 you arent.

>>56526427
why not? they make them

>>56526432
Doesn't have the connector for it.

>>56526442

you are breaking my heart right now :(

>>56526398
>tfw still have 4 unused usb ports on my docking station

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>lewd

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Damn, having WWAN is comfy, especially if it's just for 9 bucks. Though there was some fuckery with getting the firmware and making it work under Arch..

>>56520059
Dell = 3 years of life before the hinge fails

>>56524876
Just get a T400

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You got exactly 20 seconds to name a better thinkpad.
Protip: you simply cannot.

Can anyone here with a T460p report on their CPU/GPU temperatures on load (VM, matlab heavy useage, fuckload of tabs, gaming) and their outside temperature?

I'm tempted by the T460p but i live in australia and temperatures go up to nearly 40 C / 104F outside.

I'm okay with laptop temperatures that are ~50C idling and 70-80C on load.

>>56527412
yes, even 95C under full load is normal, especially for the GPU.

>>56527333
T440p

>>56521857
Sometimes an USB3 card

>>56522209
The 2560 panel has PWM

>>56521857
egpu

I need a sleeve for my T460. Anyone got any recommendations?
>inb4 Lenovo 14" 'fitted' sleeve

>>56524876
you have to de whitelist the bios, then you can just replace it with any mpcie card you want.
although every freetard wireless card that I've ever used has been absolute trash.
I'd recommend just getting an intel 7260AC and enjoy the far better wireless

>>56527929
>laptop sleeve
get a proper laptop bag, and don't treat your device like shit.
sleeves make a lot more sense for tablets that you just kinda throw in your bag and rarely use, but for a big ass laptop it makes no sense
>>56521857
I had a usb 3 card, but it used a fuck load of power, caused a lot of system interrupts, and made all my drives hot as hell
>>56527412
nowadays all high powered laptops struggle to keep cool under load
turning off turbo boost can help a bit, but expect temps in the 90s with fans maxed out under full load
>>56527333
what's your temps under full load?
I have a 3320m, and the 1 gig fermi 5400m and the cpu runs at ~100c, and the gpu is at like 85c.
also can you update your drivers normally?
whenever I try to update my drivers it always fails, and the only drivers that seem to work are some from 2015

>>56528189
under full load of everything (i7-3630qm with turbo enabled + overclocked gpu) in a hot environment the CPU is ~99C (at 105C it shuts down) and the GPU is 85C MAX. CPU never caused shut down so far.
The problem with such config is that it requires 135W PSU. On 90W it drains additional power from battery when you load it during gayming.
>1gig fermi 5400m
Open it up and identify the chip. It can be either 28nm or 40nm, depending on how recent this machine is.
>driver issue
Had the same issue. Clean install seems to work fine (purge everything related to nvidia using 3rd party app)

>>56522921
>>56522989
Working GPU drivers are literally impossible to find for this and windows 7.

>>56528233
>purge everything related to nvidia using 3rd party app
what app is that?
I tried the clean install option when installing the nvidia drivers and it didn't work
also gpuz says it's the 40nm part sadly, but on the magnesium above the dvd drive it said some date at the end of 2012.
also have you tried running tests with turbo boost turned off (set max cpu speed to 99% in windows power settings)
on my 2012 macbook pro my temps would go from 104c on the cpu (throttled to 1.5-2ghz after 30 minutes) but with turbo turned off my cpu rarely goes above 95c, and is usually around 90c
>>56528290
all you have to do is extract the XP drivers, and have device manager load them manually.
at least it worked that way on my t40

>>56528305
GPUz doesn't distinguish 40nm and 28nm GPUs. You need to read the chip number directly from it.

>>56528470
can I tell without taking the heatsink off?
I'm almost out of thermal paste and I don't want to waste it just to know if mine is 40nm or 28
that is unless it helps me get the proper drivers installed

>>56528523
Nope, you have to take off the heatsink and clean the thermal compound off GPU.

>>56528570
oh well fuck that
I don't care enough about the gpu in this thing since I already know about how it performs.
can you tell me how to get the drivers working though? what tool do I use?

>>56528594
DDU
https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

>>56528189
>>56528233
So i should be able to expect that under battery the T460P should not be overheating due to the reduced power consumption?
I would do really heavy work with my desktop, laptop is just for when I take it to work.

>>56528626
pretty much unless you are stress testing it, or playing intensive games it should never throttle.
It'll just run hot, but no throttling.

Tech intermediate here, forgive my retarded questions:

1. First of all, is the the color on thinkpads really that bad?

2. Are there any models that have problems running linux? I don't mean resource wise, I mean graphical glitches and driver issues.

3. The only games I want to play are somewhat low end stuff like MUGEN and Tabletop simulator. What are some good models I could get used for under $350 that will run stuff like Tabletop Sim alright? How much difference does the Intel HD 3000 have to the 4000?

>>56528695
>1. First of all, is the the color on thinkpads really that bad?
the screen? yeah they're bad, but they're on par with most PCs out there, if not better.
>2. Are there any models that have problems running linux? I don't mean resource wise, I mean graphical glitches and driver issues.
none that I know of. Linux usually has full driver support after about a year of the device has been out. and even then the bleeding edge stuff tends to work just fine.
>3
hd 4000 is a HUGE jump over hd 3000.
just make sure you don't cheap out on ram

>>56528695
>1. First of all, is the the color on thinkpads really that bad?
Depends on the model and exact screen, read notebookcheck reviews to find out
>2. Are there any models that have problems running linux? I don't mean resource wise, I mean graphical glitches and driver issues.
Nvidia GPUs with optimus enabled are still having linux problems

>>56528903
>using linux
>ever

>>56526567
Works OOTB under Ubuntu.

>>56528644
Wouldn't having components running hot like say >90 shorten component life and durability ?

Maybe I should get a P50 but I'm not too sure about carrying it everyday not to mention I'll have to import it from amazon because fuck australian 3000 AUD starting prices

Wew lads.

I was thinking that this X200 purchase was a bit impulsive, even though I got this for tinkering around with libreboot and stuff. Didn't plan using it for shitposting and general browsing. Just experimenting upon it.

BUT

Man this shit is comfortable:

>The keyboard is soft and nice (the british layout feels weird for a spaniard).
>Some Anon said here that trackpoint would grow on me. And sure it did. It feels great, is fast, and I can be very accurate with it.
>Laptop is light, and with tlp and (bootleg) 9-cell battery last like 6h. My main laptop doesn't get to make even 3. So when I need Linux on the go, this is the right choice.
>Core 2 Duo still keeps up the pace of modern computing. As soon as I slap I an SSD, this will be a rocket.

And even though it looks old as shit, it's completely elegant.


I think I fell for a good meme this time.

>>56529250
the x200 was my first thinkpad. it's a great laptop. i have an x220 now, which is the last of its kind. i think the x200 felt better though. lenovo fucked up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOFvk-FzTxQ

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>>56529250
Welcome to the club. My used 9-cell holds about 6 hours too, and I got a spare 6-cell for free.

>>56529379
>x240 BTFO
what a surprise. Everything never than ivybridge thinkpads is SHIT.

>>56520059
Can't speak for the thinkpad seeing as I've never used anything newer than 2012 with them, but I've got a friend who has the XPS13 and he likes it but the keyboard is terrible

>>56522921
I've run 10 on a T43, but 7 struggled. Dunno about the T41 but if I were you I'd get something just a little newer

>>56529250
On my first X200S. It's like night and day in comparison to my "new laptop".

1. 16:10 instead of 16:9
Can't begin to tell you what a horrible thing 16:9 has been to my posture and neck, having to scroll and look across constantly. With my X200 I can now use a computer much more productively. In fact I want to get a X60 to get the 4:3 screen.

2. Non-chiclet keyboard
Again, like night and day. I'm used to typing on a proper laptop keyboard without my fingers getting hurt by a razor sharp edge.

3. High quality plastics
Once you get the feel of high quality durable plastic, you won't go back to that try hard magnesium alloy shit. This thing has a magnesium roll cage and the hinges are made from steel. Meanwhile Macbook pro hinges like to bounce around like mad.

4. Older hardware = better support in non-windows OS
I'm running FreeBSD and it's mostly supported except for sleeping which causes issues with the USB connections and the trackpoint.

5. Replaceable parts
It's like the movie WALL-E, nothing like a crapintrash where you have to get a brand new motherboard to get anything "fixed".

6. Powerful machine
Even this low voltage CPU has much more power than an iPad Pro for example, and can make short work of websites for shit posting. Remember, because sites have to support mobile phones it means that X200 with its 2008 CPU is more than enough to handle it.

No, it won't play games but that's not what this machine is for.

>>56525274
what resolution? also how heavy does it feel?

I've got an elitebook 8570p with a dual core i7-3520m. I found a 2760qm at work the other day and wanna put that bastard in my elitebook. Anyone ever gone from ivy bridge to Sandy bridge in a laptop? I assume it'll work like desktop chips since they share a socket.

>Slightly better than an iPad pro and hardware that's almost supported.

You're doing a great job of selling me on this one, faggot.

>>56530075

>Slightly better than an iPad pro and hardware that's almost supported.

You're doing a great job of selling me on this one, faggot.

>>56530271
It has perfect support in systemd/Linux.

The iPad Pro reference was an attempt to demonstrate that the web MUST support that shit system so the X200 will have no trouble at all dealing with shit posting sites.

>>56530271
Also should mention, if you kept the fan clan and internals dust free, you will have a SILENT system when you use a SSD.

Boots up in 6 seconds without CoreBoot, probably in a second with CoreBoot.

>>56529429
Is the 9cell genuine or bootleg?

>>56530513
Are you on Windows 7? Any features you're missing?!

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>>56530539
Genuine, or, at least, a very good imitation. Looks exactly like that.

Does anybody have old thinkpad wallpapers? The IBM ftp is dead

>>56530622
This?
http://www.mocom.ru/Wallpapers/ibm.htm

>>56530604
I dual boot to Windows 7, every feature works perfectly

>>56530649

thanks

>>56528954
>reading comprehension

>I have apparently been running my x230 in 720p for a month or so
I tried to find out why my text looked a little blurry for hours before giving up on it
I feel like the biggest retard

redpill me on external gpu's

>>56530164
google 2760qm vs 3520m. You'll be surprised. Though if you use it for heavily threaded tasks it might make sense.

>>56530903
how did you find /g/ though?

>>56531053
I came for the lolis way back

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>>56531064
everyone comes for lolis

>>56530164
Don't. It's much worse, and it drains 250% more power.
Just don't.

>>56530075
>my fingers getting hurt by a razor sharp edge
My "new laptop" is actually a macbook. Thie palmrest is made of pain. Because it has this crease edge that cuts the bloodflow through my wrists. After 30 min playing FPS, I can't feel my hand anymore.

x200? it has a nice filleted chamfer, so your wirst rests perfectly there.

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>>56529379

>Coffee spill invincibility

Dude, does x200 have this perk too? how does that work???

It's important for me because I actually use to have a big mug of tea next to the computer.

>>56531183
Its based on the keyboard.

>>56531123
Lol u are using it wrong. Nobody has ever had an issue with the palmrest.

>>56531183
Yes. If you remove the keyboard, you'll see that some nubs have an opening for directing water to the drain holes, and that the keyboard itself is coated with film.

>>56531277

I did remove the keyboard to days ago to clean up the fan. Also, for exploring the machine.

I found an empty space just over the Wifi card, with two unconnected cables (red and blue) just hanging there, connector covered with plastics.

What is that for? a 3G connection card or something?

>>56531440
Yes, WWAN optional upgrade. You can flash modded BIOS and grab a card for 9$, like I ( >>56526567) did.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Brand-New-for-HP-UN2420-Gobi2000-WWAN-3G-Card-EVDO-GSM-HSPDA-DM1-DM3-12286/664722804.html

>>56531474
>>56531440
And also you can get a better one (for example, LTE), I just got the cheapest one available.

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X230, 8GB RAM, 9cell battery, 250GB HDD, IPS screen for $275. I like it, but my ethernet doesn't work for some reason on this computer.

>>56531474
>>56531505
>>56526567
How much does wireless data cost?

>>56531624
Contact the seller and force him to pay for it?
Unless you knew it doesn't work before buying.

>>56531803
I thought I had to activate it or something, but I tried it again and it works now.

Local pawnshop has a T530 for $200. Seems like a good deal. Should I pull the trigger?

Is the t400 spill proof?

>>56531624
Any significant difference from the x220 besides the keyboard? Is the price difference worth it?

>>56527333
t400.

I got my x220, what distro should i install, void or linux?

>>56531741
same as on your phone plan because you use the same sim cards. Are you dumb?

I have found a local shop that sells use Thinkpads along with HP EliteBooks and Dell Latitude devices, are those worth looking into? The price is almost the same.

>>56532438
Keyboard (which if you want can be replaced with a classic keyboard), USB 3, and Ivy Bridge (along with HD4000).

It's a straight upgrade, and as such costs a little more. Nobody can decide for you if it's worth it.

What are you thoughts on the T460? Considering purchasing it.

>>56532634
It's what I'm struggling with. The upgrades seem incremental and not in proportion (in my opinion) to the increase in price. I may go for a x220.

>>56532748
I figured that if I bought a $200 X230 without an IPS scren and buy the screen for $70, I might as well buy a X230 with an IPS screen for a higher price. I bought the x230 over x220 mainly for the HD4000, but also that ivy bridge produces less heat.

>>56532813
I know you probably won't be able to play games on it, but would HD 3000 be enough for normal shitposting/porn/streaming activities?

>>56532871
yes

>>56532871
Hell, an X201 is enough for that.

>>56532871
I play Civ V and Civ BE on my X220. Running Linux if that matters.

>>56532417
Even "spill proof" does not mean that it's safe.

>>56532592
Sure, quality is comparable to thinkpads.

>>56530706
What about driver issues and peripherals? I'm thinking about flashing coreboot with seabios for ivy bridge support on my t420 for daily driving in win7.
Die you notice a difference in battery life?
Talk me into flashing coreboot anon!

>>56521771
not really an old game, but I briefly tried playing Dwarf Fortress. It got pretty hot pretty insanely quick and I stopped before I got any throttling or shutdown. this was on debian btw

>>56533075
At what quality settings? Does it get hot?

>>56533291
DF runs like shit on everything.

>>56532547
I've meant arch or void

>>56531474
I see.

I didn't inspect for this when I opened the x200 up, but. Would it be possible to change the speakers? They are complete shit (It's not like I'm going to play orchestra music on this thing but hey)

I'm actually wondering all the upgrades you can do on this thing.

Just made an offer of $190 on an x230. Wish me luck bros

>>56533291
Yeah DF isn't really a significative here since it's very CPU intensive

>>56532527
>using core2 duo CPU in 2016
Holy fuck, you're seriously autistic. Did you try killing yourself?

>>56533914
>needing anything more than a c2d on a laptop in 2016

>>56533953
Well, if all you do is shitposting on /g/ then yes, you don't need anything more.

can someone explain the eGPU/docking station thing to me? do you plug it into the usb 2.0?

>>56534060
They're different things.

>>56533914
>not using Core 2 Duo in 2016
It's like you enjoy having CPU-level backdoors.

>>56534155
can you just post a wall of text explaining everything a small child would need to be told to do to make a functional gaming/high quality video rig using a thinkpad t420?

>>56524876
It'll work on Debian.

Noob question

>Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™

So is the ThinkPad 13 trash? I'm looking to buy a cheap laptop for college

>>56534316
Correct. The thinkpad 13 has lower quality materials.

>>56534316
Z series is decent too, but they haven't been made in a while.

>>56524876

The key thing here, is that only some T420 has Thinkpad wireless cards. The rest are Intel wireless cards, and those are impossible to operate without binary blobs. Tainting the whole distro of a non-free colour.

You'll need to change that in order to be truly free. I'm already looking for an Atheros Wifi card, because when I install libreboot in my x200, it won't work.

Also, If you are a freetard, why didn't you pick a T400?

what thinkpad do i buy?
budget is 400 usd

>>56534243
A docking station would be convenient but not required, it only makes your peripherals, ethernet and power stay in one place.

You'll need an adapter (pe4l or exp gdc, i use the expresscard variant of the exp gdc myself), a power supply for it and a desktop gpu.

>>56534677
and what about doing this with linux? particularly debian (the botnet/nonfree distribution). i really dislike windows both as an OS and a company and don't want to dual boot if at all possible. would there be any outstanding issues or options i should select over others?

>>56521719
>>56521422

UPDATE
I FIXED IT
TYPING FROM IT NOW

turns out the connector that was fucked in this picture >>56520830 was all that was wrong, and witha steady hand and a jewelry loop I was able to push it back with a needle.

UP YOURS XSAUCE I AIN'T BURNING THIS SHIT YET

>>56534677
sorry for the double post>>56534824
but if i'm set on using the advance docking station path, it says it has a PCI-Express slot. i assume that's one of the adapter options you're talking about? it says it has an integrated power supply. so if i understand right, the only thing i need to do using an advance docking station, it to make sure i get a graphics card that fits inside of it and is linux compatible, and then i'll be able to dock my thinkpad up and essentially make it a desktop? that idea is just so cool to me

>>56534824
It works 100% with Windows 7.

Nice coincidence though because i want to migrate to Linux and the eGPU doesn't work out of the box, right now I'm trying to make it work and even posted on fglt here without luck >>56533678

>>56534882
The advanced dock isn't compatible with the t420 but yeah it does the same thing.

>>56534882
- the advanced docing station only works with really old models
- it only supports really low-powered and small GPUs, forget about using that for gaming

How bad is 1366x768? I'm trying to choose between T430 and HP Elitebook 8470p

>>56534992
On a 14" device, very.

>>56534945
>>56534935
damn, well thanks i guess. that's really a bummer though, it looked so promising. i feel like it's going to be a lot more of a hassle without it

>>56535016
It's not really.

If you get the ExpressCard adapter the procedure is plug gpu into adapter, plug power supply cables into adapter and gpu, plug ExpressCard cable into laptop, install drivers, reboot, done.

>>56535062
the only drivers i need to install would be the one for the graphics card, right? or do you need more drivers for the adapter?

>>56535165
GPU only.

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will my thinkpad t410 i7 melt if i keep it like pic related for a week?

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>be in rush, running to office
>thinkpad in bag
>be momentarily retarded
>trip, fall and bust my ass
>thinkpad falls to ground apparently breaking
>CDROM case shoots out and snaps apart
>SHIT SHIT SHIT
>also skin my knees
>make it inside
>bandage up
>all the CDROM pieces snap together without a problem
>slide back into thinkpad
>turn on thinkpad
>it just werks
>that feel when thinkpad

>>56535192
ok, that greatly increases the likelihood of it working on linux then. i see my model has an expresscard port. can you link me an example of an adapter that i'm looking for?

>>56535272
I would put a fan under it
It won't melt, but if it hits 100C it'll turn off.

>>56534316
It's not trash but it's also not really a thinkpad. Just a cheap cash grab by lenovo.

I miss IBM.

>>56535432
I'm using this one, you'll need a desktop power supply too but since you're only powering a gpu anything will work.
gearbest.com/laptop-accessories/pp_229102.html

If you buy it and make it work under linux post here please.

>>56531741
Depends on your country and operator. Mine costs 3$ for 5GB/month (G-d bless the land of drunk bears with kalashnikovs).

>>56535536
i've already got a decent PS in my desktop that I intend to salvage out for my thinkpad dock. I have a very old graphics card though (Geforce 200TI or something, idk the exact name), so i'll be upgrading that. I'll start off with a dual boot betweens win10 and debian, see if it works on win10, and then i'll see if it works on debian. If it does, i'm likely going to reinstall debian without the dual boot and just use wine to run games. i'll post updates as they come in, probably very late this month or early next

>>56535669
You can set up PCI passthrough from a Windows VM and have native performance with no weird wine bugs.

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sup /tpg/
thrift shop rescue anon here
just picked up this Latitude E5400 for $25.
Dropped in a WD Black and 4 gigs of ram.

'Bout to swap that piddly little C2D T7250 for the C2D P8600 that originally came in my E6400. Gotta go fast.

>>56534585

Yeah I was thinking about getting an Atheros card, but I've had some trouble verifying which will 100% work with the T420 and free software. If you, or anyone else knows, feel free to vouch for one.

>>56534585
>>56526976

I actually had the old T420 from way before when freedom was less of an issue. I had Arch installed and only just migrated.

>>56535697
i don't think windows vm's are legal, but i might look into that if wine is too bad. the only game i really play is guild wars 2 every now and then and supposedly wine works great for that

one important question: will it automatically revert back to using the internal graphics card when i unplug the external one from the expresscard slot? also, i can access the expresscard slot while this is docked into a minidock 3 right?

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So, I'm putting arctic silver down, but it seems like the cooling system was designed to use thermal pads, at least on the GPU. This also looks like it was disassembled and regreased before.

Seems like the heatsink makes good contact, so I'll let it be.

>>56532387
Sounds good. But "T530" is pretty vague, lol. It can be gutted or something.

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Now we're cookin' with gas!
Lower TDP, higher clock and bus speed and an extra meg of cache.

>>56533784
Even if you do, they'll still sound like shit.
AFAIK, maxed out X200 is:
SSD
8GB RAM
802.11ac WLAN
LTE WWAN
Palmrest with fingerprint reader
Torbo memory / UWB (Both are useless outside of Windows, but why not?)
USB 3.0 in expresscard slot
Fresh OEM 9-cell

Anything else, /tpg/?

>>56536107
> Turbo memory
fix

>>56535928
Why bother when Intel AMT stops you from running a free BIOS on your system.

>>56533210
old latitudes (up to xx30 series, with the exception of e6530) have garbage screens. I never got Txxx series, but I got r60 and while the screen was old, it didn't tire my eyes at all. Which can't be said about e4310 which I also had.

Why is a w510 more wanted than a w520 and why is it mosy of the time more expensive?

>>56536167

Better than nothing, the way I look at it. It's not my primary machine anyway.

Most of the one's for sale in my area are labeled Lenovo. Is that ok?

>>56536428
Any Thinkpads that were actually made by IBM are too old to be useful as anything more than shitposting machines anyway. It's the unfortunate reality. Even T4x owners are living a lie.

>>56536702
what is thinkpad x60? nobody needs more than a core duo and 3GB ram in a laptop anyway and the 4:3 aspect ratio is far superior to the shit that's made today. if you need more power, just get a linux box and ssh into it

>>56536835
*60 isn't IBM, it's Lenovo with an IBM logo on it. To escape the chinks, you have to go back as far as I think the T30, which is a fucking Netburst machine.

Do this look like a decent deal?
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-laptops/city-of-toronto/lenovo-thinkpad-t420-laptop-intel-i7-8gb-hd-nvidia/1198149824

I just picked up a T420 from Micro Center and it has an i7-2640M 2.8 Ghz CPU

I'm looking at the available specs for the T420 and it seems that the 2620 is the highest CPU available. Any reason as to why this one has a 2640?

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>>56537128
Because you are wrong.

hi guys, my thinkpad seems to just skip the bios
i used to be able to press enter(return) and then got into the bios, but now it just skips it. Is there a way to solve this without taking the whole thing apart and resetting cmos?

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>>56537290
I don't doubt that I am, but why is Lenovo's website wrong then?

>>56536025
>one important question: will it automatically revert back to using the internal graphics card when i unplug the external one from the expresscard slot?
Yeah but unplug it when the laptop is turned off. It'll crash if you do it while it's powered on, imagine having a desktop and suddenly taking the gpu out.
>also, i can access the expresscard slot while this is docked into a minidock 3 right?
Of course, that's what i use with my t420.

>>56537379
Because lenovo is fucking retarded.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T420s-Laptop-14-i5-2-5GHz-8GB-128GB-SSD-DVDRW-Win7-Pro-Grade-A-/361598144619?hash=item5430edd06b:g:ly8AAOSwQoFWQSjY

This a good deal? Just looking for a cheap collage laptop to run Arch on.

>>56537427
no.

>>56537454
Why not? Should I look for a t420 instead?

>>56537427
>t420s
My only problem with that is the soldered cpu.

>>56537495
Pardon my ignorance, but what does that mean? That you can't replace the CPU?

It seems like that'd be an alright CPU for general college use. Does the T420 have the issue?

>>56514826
Laptops are dumb shit with no future, please don't invest in them anymore!

>>56537554
Yes you can't, t420s has a soldered cpu.

T420 does not have this problem because it uses a socketed cpu thus allowing for upgrades.

Don't get me wrong it's an alright CPU for normal usage but I'd like to have the the option to upgrade it in the future if i wanted.

>>56537480
Yes. I got a t420 with the same specs for $175.

>>56537656
Thanks! How difficult would you say that is?

>>56537662
Yeah, I've seen some cheaper t420's. A lot of these ebay listings just don't show the resolution of the screen, and this one has the 1600x900 one. I may just be retarded though.

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3MB, 1948x1148px

Why haven't you done crossfit yet, /tpg/?

>>56537930
if it shows the machine type/serial number use the tools listed in the pastebin.

>>56537811
Simple as 5 screws to remove palmrest + keyboard, 4 to remove the cpu fan then replace the CPU.

>>56537867
All T420s have 1600x900 screens meanwhile the T420 has 1366x768 or 1600x900. You can also upgrade the screen from a 768p to a 900p easy.

>>56537962
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>>56537962
Pastebin where? There's only a discount pastebin in this thread.

>>56538152
OP really fucked this one up.

http://pastebin.com/DYjEnVq1

Hey /g/ is this a good price for a w520?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172336439574

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