Why don't you have a Windows VM for gaming?

Because I have a dedicated machine for video games that I can delegate all of my shitty proprietary software needs to.

Because gayming is for >>>/v/

>>56506438
because i run linux in a vm

I just play games that run natively on Linux.

>>56506438
>gaymen
>/g/

wrong board, kiddo

>>56506438
Dualboot, fucker. VMs suck.

>>56506438
but i have.
i've had a windows gaymen VM for almost 10 years now.

Because everything I want to play is either native or runs on WINE.

>>56506510
>i can't afford a second gpu

>>56506438
You have to go back

>>56506510
Dual booting is 10 times worse than using a VM.

>>56506438
VRAM limits

2500k doesn't have VT-d so I can't do passthrough.

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>>56506438
Because we are adult. I own RayBan stock and squeeze oranges in the morning for a tall cold glass. Eat ass.

>>56506638
do you like getting chucked or are you just too retarded to read the cpu specification ?

>>56506628
Who needs more than 2GB?

>>56506653
i didn't know i would need passthrough. i didn't foresee windows going full botnet with W10. was expecting something like W8.1.

Because of Steam in home streaming

>>56506708
That shit sucks, though.

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>>56506716
I'm using it right now lmao.
It doesn't suck.

>>56506438
I like native performance.
do you really think i'm going to play a competitive game in a fucking shitty VM ran by shitty linux? nobody aint got no time for that nonsense

>>56506745
seems like you don't know anything about VMs ? or are you stuck in 2002 ?

>>56506475
IF you do it the other way around you get the advantage of using linux as a server to your windows vm. It's like a server with a browser. Pretty handy when windows wants to update or if you disable the public network to stop it from updating etc. Only downside that I've run into is file management hassles with permissions etc and that sends me into the linux land of forums and trying to squeeze a bit of information from people who clearly have it but 'want me to understand' and talk all the way around it without just telling how the fuck to do something. There's some queer folk in linux, but the system has its strengths for sure. Windows has its share too. Obnoxious but in a different way.

>>56506658
Games these days can require that and more

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>>56506744
It does for me

>>56506744
but that's not steam, that's a blizzard game!

>>56506744
How tf is your display latency so low? Mine won't go under 35ms no matter what I do, it's fucking horrid.

>>56506510
vm's these days can get like 95%-98% performance assumming GPU passthrough and that it's taking advantage of the CPU VM shenanihans like with KVM

>>56506823
You don't even need GPU passthrough. 3D acceleration is near native.

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>>56506840
lie after lie after lie

>>56506821
You need to use VAAPI hardware decoding and NVENC on the host.

>>56506823
big difference between 98% and 100%.

>>56506791
You just don't know how to use it.

>>56506862
ok nigga

>>56506801
Steam streaming works with any game.

>>56506880
what are you using where that would actually matter
that'd be like 1 extra fps in a game or a couple extra minutes spent rendering something

and it's mostly cpu
gpu passthrough means the gpu has 100% performance
most intensive things these days are gpu intensive more than anything

>>56506438

Give a good RECENT AND EASY tutorial or GTFO

>>56506972

OK so I assume passthrough works but is not mature yet. Reading 1000 pages of forums and outdated tutorials isn't my priority in my life now.

>>56507007
>tutorials
>forums
that's not documentation
and you don't nees to know everything to mame a simple KVM virtual machine with half a TB of space using a windows .iso

>>56507007
>OK so I assume passthrough works but is not mature yet
thats the reason why it's used in HA clusters....

>Reading 1000 pages of forums and outdated tutorials isn't my priority in my life now.
or, you could just select the device in virt-manager or whatever you use to manage your VMs

>>56506651
hah retard

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>>56506778
>updating windows

I'm just wondering one thing since there are a lot of folks here that use passthrough.

Right now, I'm dualbooting windows 10 and arch. Of course I'd like to use arch mainly but my vidya games are on my windows 10 boot.

Would I be able to use my win10 dualboot for the vm, since most of my games are there and I don't have hard drive space?

>>56507452
No.

>>56507452
yes

>>56506438
>implying goymers give a fuck about privacy

virtualbox can only allocated 256mb of video memory so I'm all out of options

>>56507763
>not using qemu-kvm

>>56506485
This steam has brought lots of nice games.

Why would I go through the trouble of setting up a VM when I could use WINE?

>>56507452
maybe

If I'm poor and can't afford another GPU is KVM or VMware a better option?

>>56506438
Becaus steam, pol

>>56506917
Ever tried drawing on a stuttering machine?

>>56506438
have each OS on its own SSD, never tried GPU passthrough, know a good howto for ubuntu?

>>56506438
Why would I play video games?

By the way, virtual machines don't magically make non-free software free.

>>56506912
>>56506744

Holy fuck I can set this up on my work Pc and play fr my shitty laptop at home.

At work, we have i7 and $3500 workstation Nvidia cards. Everything runs so damn smooth. I live like two blocks from work.

Thanks dude.

Holy fuck!!!!

>>56508957
>drawing furry porn

>>56506438
Already do, not for gaming though

>>56506438
>running a native Linux game in a WIndows VM on Linux

>running linux

haha cucks that kernel is glued together

>>56506840
>>56506911
fucking liar

>>56506454
Nice, me too. My gaming PC is disconnected from the internet and powered off whenever I'm not using it, too. Truly the best solution.

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>>56506438
All the games I play run fine on linux.

>pic not me, Makhleb's for chumps.

>>56506569
/thread

Because I play competitive FPS and my performance would suck ass if I run it trough a VM.

My PC isn't a 9000€ monster.

>>56506651
I'm glad you're so adult, you need to tell us how adult you and how adult the things you do are.

Kisses and hugz.

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I'm using one right now.

I've had to give it less memory as one of my DIMMS was faulty and other VMs want memory too.

>>56506438
I don't know how to set up a VM.

>>56506438
I have a finite amount of ram

>>56510353
>>56510353
>My PC isn't a 9000€ monster.

Dude, I use my old 1090T and hd5850 for passthrough and have native performance. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>56506438
Because anyone who actually gives a shit about video games doesn't use Linux.

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>>56510469
I bet you never even ascended in NetHack.

>>56510495
I'm starting to think ascension is a myth perpetuated by the illuminati to distract us by trying to beat an impossible game.

>>56510427
I'm almost sure I can't run Overwatch at a stable 144+ FPS on my Computer when I run it in a Windows VM.

I have a i5 2500k, 8 gigs of ram, and a gtx 970.

>>56510594
2500k doesn't support gpu pass through, so there's no way you could

>>56510655
And that's why I'm a windows slave.

I'll probably buy a new CPU later this year and look out for something with GPU pass through.

Will I get native performance on that level with such a "modern" game then?

I seriously start to hate windows, but can't switch because of games.

>>56506438
Where can I get old, safe windows ISOs?
I want to play Dr. Brain Thinking Games: IQ Adventure, which released in 1999. What version of windows should I look for?

>>56510567
I ascended Tourist, Wizard and Priest.
AMA.

>>56510770
How?
I can't even get far in dcss.

>>56510671
Just play games that are available for GNU/Linux.
The XCOM series is pretty good.
Civilization VI comes out in October and it will be decent with the first add-on.

>>56506438
But I do anon

>>56510804
Patience, practice, meditation and luck.

Also read spoilers.
Playing without any spoilers is fun but I failed to ascend for the first 10000 games or so.

With spoilers it's still tricky enough.

>>56510671
GPU passthrough results in pretty much native performance.

DirectX
Can't afford to pass trough

more like windwoes mirite?

>>56506438
because i use only windows

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I do

>read the various GPU passthrough tutorials
>none even bother to explain exactly what it is

>>56511877
>a way to give the virtual machine software direct access to your GPU

that wasn't hard, was it

>>56506438
Because I'm not retarded enough to use a noun as a verb.

>>56510324
>unironically playing dcss aka the worst roguelike ever created

Because I use W10 not some gay neckbeard os

>>56510655
Is there a decent list of processors (and motherboards?) that actually support passthrough?

I'm at the point of moving away from Windows as main OS, done with their shit at Redmong.

I'm not sure if this is totally accurate or applicable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IOMMU-supporting_hardware

>>56512036
I understand that but in what way? Is it running a windows VM through Linux that doesn't have the performance penalties of WINE or is it something else?

>>56506438
>Gaming
Are you allowed to be on blue boards if you are under 18?

Where the fuck did you get that WePOS ISO.

I literally have EVERYTHING ELSE MSDN RELEASED except for WePOS

>>56512562
The rules say that you aren't.

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>>56512523
AMD supports it throughout basically all of their products. The main issue with AMD is making sure the mobo supports it.


Intel is pretty much hit and miss you have to look up what the processor supports on their website.

http://ark.intel.com/products/80811/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

>>56512601
It's a doggy dog world out there for in tell.

>>56512562
>gaming is for kids meme

I do.
I play old RAGS porn games with it

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>>56512562

>>56506438
my framerate

>>56512550
>VM through Linux that doesn't have the performance penalties of WINE
yes

in oversimplified terms, a virtual machine or a layer like Wine tricks software into thinking it's running on specific hardware. That "faking" requires work from your actual hardware that decreases performance. With a GPU passthrough there is no trick, you give the virtual OS real access to real hardware

>>56512661
Ah I understand now, thanks for the clarification anon.

>>56512550
When you use IOMMU the processor and BIOS/UEFI reserve the hardware for the virtual machine to utilize. The host machine cannot see it or access it under IOMMU, the computer is basically partitioned into two machines.

IOMMU is not limited to graphics cards, I think it technically supports any hardware.

>>56512641
Video games are for children anime is for pedophiles.
For some reason /g/ shuns one more then the other.

>>56512646
> what is PCI passthrough

>>56512562
>posted from my animu desktop

>>56506454
This.
I have headless windows machine and stream exclusive games through steam to my linux laptop. It's best option.

>>56512702
So it essentially runs the VM in a thread that is not able to access the host? How does it determine resource allocation of CPU and GPU cycles/cores etc while still leaving enough so that the host doesn't crash?

>>56512562
but creating hacks for games is fun

>>56512774
Especially Minecraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92KOTXGr-Qk

>>56512773
Stop being retarded anytime.

>>56512773
I think it's actually more like the hardware device is "reserved". The host OS might be able to see it but it respects the "reserved" state and does not attempt to utilize it. Either way the host OS doesn't have access to the hardware at least not directly if everything is working properly.

As for the cores/threads, I don't really know how that is handled. I would assume the host OS assigns them to the virtual machine but still takes priority over the guest OS. I'm not sure how hardware based virtualization like VT-x works

>>56506621
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>>56506438
Because emulators (vm is a buzzword for emulator) don't run Windows games. Show me Morrowind running, with mods, as good as it does in windows on a real machine, then we'll talk.

>>56513176
>vm is a buzzword for emulator
fuck off, emulation and virtualization is not the same thing

>>56513176
t. inbred

>>56513176
>muh mods
>muh quality
>muh fps
Just lower the quality settings a bit, autist.

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>>56513176
>vm is a buzzword for emulator

>>56512601
Well, shit, just looked at the stuff I had bought.
Turns out I already have support for it across everything.
I was panicking there looking through the Intel processor list, only 2 hits on my processor, the i5-4430. I had the standard one.
http://ark.intel.com/products/75036/Intel-Core-i5-4430-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz

Well, I'm assuming the PCI device matters not in the support for it since it is the device being anchored on to a guest OS.

I will get right on that maybe in the weekend.
Just using this by the looks of it:
http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/How_to_assign_devices_with_VT-d_in_KVM

>>56513651
The general rule for sandy bridge onward is non-k processors in the i5, i7, and Xeon series usually support it. Pentium and i3s I'm not sure but I think they don't tend to.

>>56513815
Yeah that's what I was reading around when googling as well.

Also, I just shit myself so hard there.
I stupidly thought I had an ASRock board, but it wasn't, it was MSI.
They had the exact same prefix, so I assumed it was fine.
Shitting intensified as the wiki for VT-d support never had this board.
Lucky some dude on overclocked messaged them and they got back saying it was supported.

Holy fuck near dying. Me and my stupid assumptions.
Gotta do some updating.
Would have been a pain in the ass having to get a new board when this is already fairly new.

>>56506438
Because I have Windows installed on metal for gaming. And everything else