/pcbg/- PC Building General

>make a build on partpicker with a skylake cpu and a 1080
>forgot that intel and jewvidia have been focusing on windows 10
Will I run into driver problems with 8.1? Might have just been the normal uninformed /g/ post but I saw some shit about skylake not working with windows 7 out of the box

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Some forums have been stating that a 6500 with an aftermarket cooler is a good idea, as it will help the CPU to run quieter and at lower temps. Any merit to this, or is a stock cooler totally sufficient for no OC?

what price does this become worth it?

http://merced.craigslist.org/sys/5765823696.html

Say I buy sticks of 2666Mhz RAM ... how easy is it to overclock to 3000Mhz? I've heard that's the sweet spot, but are the stock speeds "good enough" ?

Also, does Crucial makes good memory (their ballistix elite line)

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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/LhqY9W

Someone tell me why I shouldn't do this...

>>56459664
tell that mother fucker to throw in a video card. id give them 400 bucks. there's quality parts in there but black friday is just around the corner and a gtx 1060 is going to tag on an extra MINIMUM 200 bucks. at 750 bucks you could build a brand new computer

>>56459639
unless youre overclocking you dont really need an aftermarket cooler. an after market cooler IS nice to have though. not only to really make DAMN sure that shit is cooled but also incase you ever do plan on overclocking

>>56459739
Change the MOBO and RAM

>>56459797
why?

>>56459814
You need socket LGA1551 with Z170 chipset, and rams at 2133 Mhz

>>56459754
that's exactly what I was going to offer and add as a video card, that's hilarious

I wonder if he'll go that low though that CPU is pretty pricey

>>56459841
oh shit. you got me. i had a different CPU and forgot to swap from one chipset to the other. thanks /g/uy

>>56459575
Should be fine, Win7 had the issue

>>56459639
Might be very slightly cooler and quieter, but why bother?

>>56459664
Ehh, I'd be prepared to pay 450

>>56459739
Clearly a waste of money, but that's what you wanted to hear, isn't it?

>>56459862
>>56459841
wait no. i was right all along. 6700k and 6800k are different. i changed it already.

>>56459878
>>56459844
Clearly a waste of post, but that's not what you meant to do was it?

>>56459886
Oh shit you're right, sorry.

>>56459855
honestly its a pretty good setup. but the fact thats its just straight up missing something that YOU have to put in brings the price down a good amount in my opinion

imagine is someone tried selling you a car and was like. yeah, you just gotta put in a transmission

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rate this low end pc?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/4TbNcc

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/DnLW4C

Any criticism or advice? Mainly concerned about the gpu (newegg is out of stock of a couple 970s and 1060s I liked and built with before on a friend's set up) and trying to keep the whole thing under $1400.

>>56459967
if you pirate windows, which is easy, you can afford a gtx 1060 3gb which is easily twice as fast as that card. will 1080p 60fps ēvery game.

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Value my rig?

AMD 8350 @ 4.2Ghz
ASUS M5 A97 R2.0 Motherboard
Corsair H60 cooler
EVGA 970 SC
16GB Corsair Vengence DDR3 RAM @ 1866 MHz
650w coolermaster PSU
Corsair 400C case
Blue meme lighting

Don't judge me too hard. i built this years ago when i was young and naive. I am trying to find a good price for it on craigslist.

price this as if a person with mild knowledge of computers was looking to buy it. (eg. people on craigslist.)

>>56460030
thats actually amazing advice mi amigo.

>>56460025
if you don't plan to OC don't buy the 6600K get the non K and save 30 bucks. then drop the cooler for another 30 bucks. then find a bit more budget case and save a bit more. toss all of that saved money into a 1070 and you have a damn fine build for maybe just a bit more cashola.

>>56460107
could also try to wait for the monitor to drop on sale because it has a history of going down pretty far.

>>56459696
It's the sweet spot of price
Nobody actually knows or cares if higher ram speeds help, but it's $10 more and all you need to do is flick the xmp setting so why not

>>56460104
i second this

>>56459696
Stock skylake chipsets take 2133mhz base. If you have a higher frequency capable ram and a chipset that allows OC ram, you can change the bios settings to take advantage of that (up to like 4200mhz, which is stupid expensive)

>>56460144
>>56460225
I got a good deal on those 2666 sticks. Are they "locked" to that speed, or can I OC them higher (ala cpu).

I know that 3000 is ideal, and would like to get it if i could potentially, but if not... 2666 should be "fine", well i hope.

>>56460291
They're locked at 2133mhz until you "overclock" them up to 2666 MHz
You could probably work some magic and push them more but why?
3000 is only a good price, even normal 2133mhz ddr4 is plenty fast. If 2666mhz is a better price than take that and enjoy 2666mhz
Make sure you have a motherboard that allows over-2133mhz ddr4 speeds

What items should you NOT buy pre-owned?

HDDs seem like an obvious one, and CPU coolers are cheap enough already that it doesnt really warrant the effort.

The rest should been fine though, right? Anything else in particular, maybe PSUs are a no no?

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I've never played a single PC game in my life above low video settings at 1080p.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/vZ9xsJ

>>56460404
Get a new motherboard, those are always the first thing to break
Ram is cheap enough to get new, and hard to find used if you want as fast as your motherboard allows
PSU are okay used, I would go for new but as long as it's 80+ bronze or better and not old I'd get it used. Don't try to save money here
CPU are great used because they last forever and nobody really breaks them that often, but make sure it fits your motherboard socket because Intel is always jewing it up with compatibility

>>56460493
go with the 950 Pro M.2. you wont regret the extra shills for it.

>>56460664
Lately this exact decision has put me in an existential crisis
I don't need the extra speeds, but the sticker looks cool
The 600p just came out, I know the 950 is better but is it $80 better? I could basically double my Intel 600p size for the price of switching to Samsung 950

>>56460739
i feel you bro but imo 950 is the easy choice. it may not look like it now but in 2 years you will be thanking yourself for posting in this thread.

>>56460493
>never played a pc game
>I'll just drop 2000 dollars on a rig

....
what?

>>56460838
I'm sick of playing PS2 and Dreamcast

>>56460838
Also I have 3 new laptops that have all broken in their own way, I'm tired of that shit, they never move in the first place

>>56460880
yeah but $500 in well-picked parts will get you to a reasonable level of power

I mean I understand, if the money is nothing to you then go for it but I'm just saying it's not really necessary.

1 x ($204.99) EVGA GeForce GTX 950 02G-P4-2956-KR 2GB SC+ GAMING, Silent Cooling Gaming Graphics Card

1 x ($84.99) Intel Pentium G3258 Haswell Dual-Core 3.2 GHz LGA 1150 53W BX80646G3258 Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics

1 x ($79.99) G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-16GAR

1 x ($79.99) Kingston SSDNow UV400 2.5" 240GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SUV400S37/240G
$79.99

1 x ($64.99) WD Blue 1TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch - WD10EZEX - OEM

1 x ($64.99) MSI H81M-P33 LGA 1150 Intel H81 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

1 x ($49.99) EVGA 500 W1 100-W1-0500-KR 80+ WHITE 500W Power Supply

1 x ($38.99) Devastator II LED Gaming Keyboard and Mouse Combo Bundle with Red LED Edition by Cooler Master

1 x ($24.99) Rosewill FBM-01- Dual-Fan MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case

1 x ($10.99) Microsoft 4YH-00005 Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB or PS/2 Wired Optical 800 dpi Mouse

1 x ($7.99) Team Group 16GB C143 USB 3.0 Flash Drive (TC143316GL01)

2 x ($2.97) DEEPCOOL XFAN 80 Hydro Bearing Black Fan

1 x ($4.99) Kingston DataTraveler Generation 4 8GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive DTIG4/8GBCR

1 x ($4.99) ADATA DashDrive UV128 8GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive Model AUV128-8G-RBE

I bought this. After taxes and shipping: $861.11 Note that this is Canadian Tire money. Gonna use it for a gnu system gaming rig. Gonna see how much of an OC I can get on the cpu with the stock cooler. At least 3.8-4, I'm thinking. How well did I do? ;^) The SSD should competently survive 5 years of unavoidable caching.

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Tell me what you would change and why. Thanks.

>>56460916
Without the monitor and 1070 card it's $800, I'm definitely open to saving money, but how? Non-overclockable mobo/CPU/RAM? Not using an M2 drive? I've never overclocked and don't plan to for a long time but it'd be nice to boost my PC a little once it's having troubles keeping up

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1060 or 480? I just want to get rid of my shit 250x already.

>>56460965
1060

>>56460963
maybe more ram, the cooler is way overkill (aim for $25-40), monitor is probably overkill for you (seeing as you don't play csgo competitively you won't notice the difference between 60hz and 144hz), case could cost half that easily

ssds are 100% worth the cost though

Anyone have some settings for a rock-solid stable 6600k overclock? I've seen a pretty huge range so far and am trying to home in on a smaller set before going through my own tests.

>>56460965
None of those cards are worth the money spent, buy a real card with 100 more. No, actually don't even buy any fucking graphics cards. This has got to be one of the shittiest years ever for graphics cards.

>>56461125
>this year characterized by cheaper, low-power, rock solid versions of last years cards
It's a bad year for disk measuring, it's a good year to buy a GPU

>>56460965
480

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Should I get the XFX 4GB 470 for 299 wombats or the Sapphire 4GB 470 for 339 koalas? Is the Sapphire model worth the extra 40 kangaroos?

>>56461072
More ram? 16GB 3000mhz isn't enough?
And yeah I might wait on a cooler, that's $80 more for basically aesthetics
And I'll consider the monitor, I just chose that because I've seen friends play on over-60 fps monitors and it's disgustingly smooth. Is G-sync worth a damn?

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Hey /pcbg/, retard-tier builder requiring some help. I'm trying to build a really modest PC for my sister and I'm having a bit of a struggle choosing a case for it. Excuse the notepad build list, I'm getting parts from all over the place (not 1st world country, explains the slightly higher prices as well; pic related.)
I was hoping to snag a case with two fans, but the only reasonably priced two-fan case I could find was Cooler Master N200 which is listed as a Midi tower, and although I'm pretty sure everything can fit, I'm wondering if the decrease in room will counteract the additional fan.
Am I retarded for thinking that less room in a Midi tower will significantly increase cooling requirements?
Should I forego the case fans completely and just opt in for a 212 EVO or something (and will I need a better PSU for it)?
Is the setup so pitiful that even a single 120mm case fan of a Mid tower will be enough?
Any advice from a tech /g/uru would be appreciated. Note that there are no Corsair cases to be bought where I live. Also please let me know if you notice some incompatibility in the setup.

>>56460955
Jesus christ why the fuck is this shit so expensive?

This should not cost 3k

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Crossposting from another thread because I didn't really get replies. What's the real reason to build a computer new from scratch if you can get alright-tier components for much cheaper used on ebay? I think I would learn from building my own, but I also think I could just upgrade parts from a used rig I find. this is what I'm considering
http://www.ebay.com/itm/282152887387

thanks

>>56461302
The stock CPU fan will be fine and so will stock case fans. The n200 is pretty good but your motherboard has to be mATX to fit. MATX cases have less airflow but still a great amount
That PSU *should* be fine

>>56461324
>new from scratch if you can get alright-tier components for much cheaper used on ebay
you'll never truly know the state that they're in. it's like buying used cars. you may get a used car that does perfect and lasts years, or you may get a used car that fucks up after 2 years because the previous owner wore it out.

if you trust the seller and think it's a good deal, then go for it.

>>56461302
A two-fan mATX case beats a 1-fan ATX case I think

>>56461324
That seems pretty overpriced for a 2 year old computer. I think I paid about the same when I bought similar hardware 2 years ago.

The best used computers are much cheaper than that. I'd be looking for older workstation tier hardware, or simply look around until you see someone regret buying computers and shit and is trying to get rid of it all fast for hardly any money at all.

Consider how much that computer was worth when new. In my country, that i7 has gone up by about 100 USD during the past couple of years. I'm thinking that guy paid about 250 USD for it, not the 335 suggested by pcpartspicker.

Those crappy drives and Windows 7 Professional seems like nothing more than padding to inflate the total "value".

Already ran into an hp laptop with 9800p, I was impressed.

>>56461445
Reminds me of all those AMD cards that flooded the used market a few years ago. A used card that's been running at 95C 24/7 for more than a year doesn't tempt me at all.

>>56461430
>>56461476
It is an mATX, I double-checked. That *should* is itching me, but investing a bit more in a more powerful PSU is not bothering me at the moment. Think I'll go for the N200 then, thanks anons.

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I have a Phenom II 965, should I get a Kaby i5 around the end of the year or should I wait until 2017 for Zen?

I ordered a graphics card on a website, but I really fucked up and didn't notice the extremely small "in preorder" stock text. I emailed back the worked that emailed me telling me it was in preorder for a refund.

How easy is this going to be? Think they're just going to give me my money back? It's memory express in Canada.

>>56461695
Just call support tomorrow and cancel your preorder. Preorders can usually be cancelled at any time

>>56461660
Clearly wait

>>56461506
>>56461324
A better valuation would be the average used price for each component off ebay

>>56461302
>I'm trying to build a really modest PC for my sister
Somehow I read this as I'm trying to really molest my sister..

>>56461212
Probably not

>>56460965
470 or 3GB 1060

>>56460955
You don't need the z70 chipset if paring with locked CPU

>>56461660
get a list ready first

LGA 1151 set (mobo, case, ram, etc.)
AM4 set
pick when you're ready

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Need help controlling the temp within my mini-ITX case. I'm currently underclocking my GPU (290X Direct2CU) to 875 mhz base clock to maintain some decent temperatures. If I leave it at it's stock speed, all the components in the case will eventually go 10C higher than it naturally would (temps in image is only left running for 5 minutes). I also start smelling burnt plastic, which is why I don't want to replicate it again for the fear of ruining some components.

Some choices I've ran through my head are:
1. Reduce my full ATX PSU to a modular and/or SFX one, less wireless in the way of airflow and cleaner case
2. Increase my case fans and increase their RPM (by purchasing some aftermarket ones). I'm already running 2x140mm intakes and 1x120mm exhaust (the max the case can handle)
3. Remove at least one of my 3.5" drives and replace by some SSD
4. Water cool my CPU
5. Water cool my GPU
6. Replace my GPU

Which, if any of these combinations would yield the best results?

>>56461874
>5. Water cool my GPU
>6. Replace my GPU
Either of those, if water cooling make sure the exhaust goes directly out of the case.

You might try testing the GPU temps under load in another case.

>>56461874
Replace GPU
That's probably the biggest issue here, maybe get a better CPU cooler if you want but i don't know
Also negative case pressure (more exhaust than intake fans) is supposed to be better for cooling but worse for dust

What's a good place to check out HDD reviews for benchmarks and reliability?

Any good, affordable, mini-itx motherboards you guys would recommend?

>>56460051
if only not r2.0 board

>>56462560
There was a gigabyte z170 one on sale yesterday...
I recommend the one on sale

Which GPU/CPU for 2560x1440 120Hz+ Overwatch?

>>56462946
Forgot to add, at the maximum possible graphics settings for consistent 120+ frames per second.

>>56462946
>>56463020
Check benchmarks, ain't happening m8

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>>56463092
What makes you say that?

Do you have to reformat an HDD before installing an OS on it, if so what format? Or does a Windows OS install do that for you?

So I asked this yesterday on sqt and on some forums and nobody seems to know;

on an msi motherboard with the v4 BIOS, how do I access the BIOS event log?

The MSI BIOS is filled with memes and overclocking info.

>>56464051
>Do you have to reformat an HDD before installing an OS on it, if so what format?
No.
You can install it as unallocated space.

>if so what format
The OS will decide the format.

>Or does a Windows OS install do that for you?
Yes.

>>56463225
I love that my years old card (290x) does Overwatch on med-high at 120fps at 1440p. Hell I only have a 60Hz screen, but good to know

I'm upgrading from a bay trail atom. If I get the i5 6500 instead of an i3 will my head explode?

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>>56463225
>>56464206
First I've seen of any framerates that high. (Compare 980Ti from both charts.) Could be that the Techspot bench is newer?

>>56464051
You'll have the option during the install. If you have multiple drives, make sure you format the right one!

Hey

I bought old Mac pro early 2008 for pretty cheap price, what graphics card i should get for it?

>>56464670
Not sure when your benchmark's from, worth noting it doesn't have the 10xx series. Techspot is from May 27, 2016.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1180-overwatch-benchmarks/page3.html

Anybody having experience installing Mac OS / Building a Hackintosh for dual booting?

>>56464704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfSS5diWSCo
If you look at about 2:05 the 1080 drops framerate below 120 for a sustained about of time. But that's just nitpicky, seems like full goy will get the job done

>>56464690
750 ti

Can I put an i5 6500 on a H110 mobo? Some dude was recommending a H170. Sorry I'm dumb.

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Fresh Build, rate it.
CPU: i5-6600k
Mobo: Z170 Stinger
GPU: RX 480
RAM: 16GB HyperX
Kingston 240 gb SSD
Seagate 2tb HDD
EK Predator 240 CPU cooler
NZXT Manta case

Sold old pc for $350 so it costed me ~$1500 AUD

Rate my build please.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/z4Y6r7

I'm only really interested in hitting 1440p at 60 Hz (no higher), and already have a nice monitor (Dell U2515H, prefer to use DP from what I've read about the minor issues the panel has on the Internet) lined up for it. Is the graphics card overkill for just hitting 60 fps @ 1440p? I don't plan on playing anything hardcore, but I'd like a card with at least ~100 GT/s or so to get good display-sync/interpolation results for watching 24 Hz content without judder. It doesn't look like there's that much in the $100-$250 range that I like though.

>>56464887
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/z4Y6r7
Id go for a better psu with 80+ gold
I would also drop an extra 30 $ for the 6600k

>>56460030
Which version of windows? 7? Can windows 10 be pirated?

>>56464764
Overwatch is very hard to benchmark without a proper replay/demo system. Thanks for linking this though, it's good input.

>>56464954
Thanks, upgraded to a EVGA 80+ Gold PSU. Don't really need the overclocking, so I'll pass on the processor.

>>56460929
Dang, nobody replied to pat me on the head and give me warm hugs kyses.

Where can I order a mother figure to sate my millennial man-child emotional needs?

I'm not being mean, I'm actually that poster.

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>>56460929
>>56465370
desu i saw it an didn't bother reading. TMI. Im guessing you wrote it to get the right pricing but you could have just provided the overview from pcpartpicker and the actual total pricing. Im sure more people would had then replied.
Instead (obviously beacuse you care to much) you provide an endless text with
>every
>single
>spec
>detail
Only thing you're missing is the fucking serial numbers and the god damn barcodes.
On a note though probably a solid build still didn't read.

Enjoy 4K wallpaper

>>56466457
I copypasted it from the invoice newegg emailed me. That's how they title their products. Failed to remove one redundant line tho.

Has anyone bought refurbished GPUs on newegg?

i never build a pc before, it's going to be for gaming and streaming (not caring much about very recent and future game release).

Do you think this is alright ?
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/xr6ntJ

also for the gpu i am thinking of this one : http://www.kfa2.com/kfa2/graphics-card/sniper-edition/kfa2-geforce-gtx-970-black-exoc-sniper.html

i already have a capture card.

>>56469418
western digital, the same company that you chose for your hdd, makes a faster hard drive for cheaper

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex

you should just used the cooler master cooler.. but this one is just strictly preference on my side

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/hmtCmG/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2


i like the 2 sticks of ram compared to 1. you done good

but i feel like youre forking out way too much cash on your psu. especially if its bronze, at that price you could get a gold

heres a well trusted name bronze+ for half the price

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/Cfw323/corsair-power-supply-cx600

and heres a gold+ for the same price as your bronze+

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/g63RsY/evga-power-supply-120g10650xr

you dont need windows pro unless youre running a business. you really dont

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I just built a computer and I can't get it boot. The fans try to spin for a half second and die, even with no hard drive or gpu plugged in.
So I used this power supply tester, pic related. The -5v light won't come on. Is this a problem? If it's not the PSU, what else could be the problem? The only things i haven't isolated are the RAM and mobo.

>>56469418
also dude if youre gunna fork out that much cash just get one of the gtx 1060s, 1070s, you could probably even get a 1080

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/tJyxFT/evga-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-sc-gaming-video-card-06g-p4-6163-kr

>>56470050
ignore what i said about the 1080 lol. the 1060 is amazing for the price though

Need voice of reason, should I buy r9 Nano for 350euros?

for comparison 350 is how much GTX1060 or rx480 Red Devil costs.

>>56470022
Are you sure all cables are plugged into the right slots ? My first first I forgot to plug in one of the power connectors haha

>>56470102
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-vs-AMD-R9-Nano/3639vsm58413/

great site to compare specs and prices

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I'm buying an APU without HSF, and I'm in need of a third party one. My available options are:

Cooler Master Hyper TX3
http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-air-cooler/hyper-tx3/

Zalman CNPS11X Performa
http://www.zalman.com/contents/products/view.html?no=39

Which one do you recommend?

>>56470022
What PSU is it?
How much did it cost?
If it's new, I'd say RMA it.

can any1 recommend a good 4k monitor? Or any that are to be released soon? Please dont say acer

>>56460963

It's a good build for the price, the monitor is huge tho idk if that's comfy, I don't buy over 24' because I sit too close to the screen.

Buy your pc don't downgrade to save 50$ which is nothing g if you are spending 2k

>>56470155
For the love of god, do not get any heatsink with those shitty plastic bearings(Hyper TX3). They're incredibly easy to break, and if they do break, you basically have to buy a new one. Putting them in isn't really the issue. The breaking occurs when you need to remove the heatsink to re-apply thermal paste.

>>56470290
he said, APU that means FM2/FM2+ socket, that means it's AMDs leaver one.

No need to be retarded.

>>56470195
Rosewill Arc M550, seems to have decent reviews. I payed $50 but it even had a $15 rebate. I got it 2 weeks ago.
Do you think it's dead? It all seems good on the PSU tester.

>>56460929

You fucked up

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This is what I bought: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/qz6ntJ
Hopefully it'll last me a while. First time I'm spending more than 200€ on a GPU.

>>56470155
TX3 is way worse than 11x, if you are going to OC go for zalman.

If you don't want to OC then go for the cheaper option, both will cool it fine without overclock.

>>56470492
I'm not planning to OC, but I do care about noise levels.

>>56470507
manufacturers promise same amount of noise out of the fans, but Zalman has bigger surface area so in theory it should keep fan at lower speed.

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>>56465027
I don't know, can it?

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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/7zJv3F

feedback much appreciated

>>56470646
It's 2016. Get a Polaris graphics card instead of the R9 380.

I'm trying to help my brother out in his search of new GPU. His budget is ~300€, says he doesn't want to go too much over it.

We've been looking at some GTX 1060 cards and older models, but there's just so many choices..

Any suggestions?

>>56470784
I wasn't planning on doing much intensive gaming on it. I should have said in my original post that it's mostly for audio production, photoshop, and some video rendering. In that context, is the r9 380 fine? I wasn't hoping to spend much more than it already costs

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Anyone running pcie ssd? Thoughts?

>>56470646
looks nice. id swap a few parts here and there but thats entirely due to personal preference.

for example you could get the corsair psu for about 20 bucks cheaper

i think youre paying a little too much for that card

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/Mbhj4D/asus-video-card-strixr9380dc2oc4gd5gaming

heres the same card with an actual higher clock rate for less. its also built by a quality company so no need to worry

sides that everything else is fine

>>56470646

also it looks like you already got the cpu for 150 but heres something to consider

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-6300-vs-AMD-FX-8320/3536vs1983

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>>56470892
It shows that the FX CPU was the right choice.

>>56470860
>>56470892
Thanks bros I'll consider your substitutions

>>56469976
thanks for the inputs, i'll change the hdd

>but i feel like youre forking out way too much cash on your psu. especially if its bronze, at that price you could get a gold
the psu i was looking for wasn't on the list so i took one with the same price. I don't really know the differences between bronze/silver/gold. This will be my first desktop, i'm on a laptop at the moment.
someone said to me this one was good :
http://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/684

>you dont need windows pro unless youre running a business. you really dont
some anons on g said with pro you could disable telemetry and shit, and that it was better overall but really i'm not sure.

>>56470050
money is kind of an issue for me right now and i'm not sure i really need more than 970, even though i don't know too much about gpu. I want to be able to smoothly play and stream games from the last decade so i need something solid.
But the objective with that build is to have something that can last 4 to 5 years, i don't want a build too weak either. And if i want to play recent and future release i'll have the option to upgrade the gpu at that moment.

>>56460051
It seems very easy to market, if you find the right sucker you can probably get 600+ for it. You can advertise 8 cores and 16GB of RAM, which is about as good as it gets.

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>>56470942
yeah it does have higher multi core speeds. cause it has more cores. but youre kind of ignoring a whole bunch of other factors

it could be better for some games. but i think overall, and im sure this is a popular opinion, the i3 is a better processor

>>56470978
also i have a question about connecting to monitors.
I'm going to have two monitors (for when i'm streaming but also when i'm working and not playing games) and i'm wondering if it's ok to connect one with the hdmi port from the gpu and the other with the vga port from the motherboard ?
Or if it's bad to use the ports from the motherboard ?

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>>56471049
>Tfw you get a problem computer to finally boot

Will this build work if I add in an sata adapter? http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/r8sH2R

>>56459329
>desktop APU's
this shit needs to stop

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how does this look? I was originally at ~$1500 but I keep whittling the price down by swapping out parts (no more 6600k and giganigger fan). anything else I should change? I have room to go up in price if I can get something really nice for not much more.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/VTc6r7

>>56470852
M2 is the same data, NVME M2 is literally PCIe 3.0x4

>>56470942
>pileshit vs skylake
>but muh cores

>>56476894
If you don't want a 6600k, get rid of your cpu cooler, you don't really need it for a locked cpu.

>>56476894
something to consider

western digital is a great company. nothing wrong with the hdd you chose. but check this out. i read this was a great deal and its also a well built drive. 3gb for under 90 bucks

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/n2JwrH/toshiba-internal-hard-drive-dt01aca300

everything else is great and of quality. you could also save a bit of cash by switching to an acer monitor but theres nothing wrong with the one you chose

>>56477678
also one more thing. check out the gtx 1060 and 1070. the 1060 is SLIGHTLY weaker to the fury but will save you maybe 50-100 bucks. the 1070 is the about the same price and maybe slightly cheaper. it also comes out a little stronger than the fury

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1070-vs-AMD-R9-Fury/3609vs3509

>>56471020

An advantage the fx has over any i3 is it can be overclocked, its just a matter of what cooling you provide it.

>>56477535
I have temperature autism and want my build to run as cool as possible. Can't hurt, right?

>>56477678
thanks for the heads up on that hdd, good price for even more space than the wd

>>56477906
I wanted to stick to AMD so I can utilize Freesync

>>56478261

>Can't hurt, right?

Fun fact: The typically small cpu coolers in the style both AMD and Intel use at stock (i.e blowing down onto the chip) also provide limited cooling to the motherboard vrms. A lot of tower coolers do not do this which naturally has an affect on how effecient the vrms are for the cpu.

In practical terms it doesn't mean shit for any of the locked cpus out there regardless of AMD or Intel, but its something to consider.

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Okay so call me an ignorant faggot but I'm looking at saving up and building my first rig but I have no idea where to get started. I'm on the pc builder site and it feels a little overwhelming. All I know about is are CPUs and memory. I'll just list off my budget and my needs

>willing to spend up to 1200 canadian
>only have a 1080p 60hz monitor and am perfectly contempt with that for now
>looking to max settings at 1080p/60fps on current games but have some overhead incase I get a 1440p/120hz monitor
>want my rig to last for at least 5 years and be able to still play current gen games before I have to upgrade gpu

Is this realistic with my budget and where do I get started?

>>56478261
With a TDP of 65W I assure you that your CPU would run at pretty low temps. If you want to stick with AMD, i suggest you wait for Vega which might rival the R9 Fury at a lower TDP.

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>>56478419

>looking to max settings at 1080p/60fps on current games but have some overhead incase I get a 1440p/120hz monitor
>want my rig to last for at least 5 years and be able to still play current gen games before I have to upgrade gpu

Lol.

>>56476894
Don´t buy evga trash Power Supplys get Seagate...
I recomment the cpu cooler Macho and I don´t know that Monitor looks like is while have a crapy panel go look into the /g/ wiki for a good one

>>56477091
M.2 kills your GPU.

>>56478425

>might rival the R9 Fury at a lower TDP

You're mad if you think vega is going to perform merely at fury's level.

>>56477974
Even if you overclock the FX chips, they still won't be able to match Intel's single core performance. At this point there's no reason to get a Bulldozer/Piledriver/Vishera chip. They are do far behind

t. 6350 owner

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>>56478419
so i kinda came up with these 3 builds. one for a casual, one for someone who needs some more power. and a higher end gaming rig. i didnt include an OS cause im just assuming that you guys can pirate windows 7 or 10

>this is the higher end

>>56478604

> they still won't be able to match Intel's single core performance.

That they won't, but they are still economical cpus depending on your needs.

>>56478412
huh, I did not know this. Thanks for the information. This may be a retarded question, but is it possible to have both the stock and aftermarket fan installed? That way I have the benefit of the stock cooler potentially reaching the motherboards vrms and then the aftermarket one doing even more? I only ask because I live in a very hot area and my indoor ambient temperature is around 80f (27c).

>>56478425
I heard vega was delayed back to like q2 of 2017 which is a long time to wait

>>56478516
apparently the viewsonic xg2401 is the best 144hz Freesync monitor for around that price range. the /g/ wiki still suggests things like the asus vg248qe which uses pwm and other issues

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>>56478680
>mid range

i also kept in mind to keep the prices as low as possible while still having some kick

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>>56478710
>and the casual

imo this is the perfect rig for someone on a budget. skylake, gtx 950 and all the parts are quality

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>>56478696

> This may be a retarded question,

It is but you're looking for a solution in the wrong direction. The secret to good temps almost regardless of specific cpu/motherboard setup is good case airflow.

>>56459329
Bristol Ridge only supports up to 2400 MHz. To get higher, you need to OC the base clock which doesn't work, it makes you unstable after few MHz.

You can improve performance by getting dual-rank (usually double-sided) DDR4-2400 modules though. Rank interleaving gives extra performance, so dual-rank 2400 is close to singl-rank 2666 MHz.

>>56478784
2400 MHz DDR4 I mean.

Reacting to >**Consider 3000MHz DDR4 in your new build**

So I making a major upgrade from my previous rig, but thinking about using my old PSU in the new one. It's a Cheiftec GPS-450A (450W, duh). will it be sufficent?
new build is:
i5 6600 (no overclock)
ASUS AMD RX470 STRIX OC
1xHDD and 1xSSD
2x4 gb ram

Looking at building a new PC from scratch
One is almost a carbon copy of >>56478710
but 2TB of HDD and 16GB of RAM

I can save £70 by swapping to an AMD FX-6350 and Asus M5A97
Not looking to overclock or anything but which build would be better in the long run

>>56478753
I know absolutely nothing about building pcs so it's safe to assume my build is going to have horrible airflow. Also I'm watching a video of a cpu installation and the fan that comes with it has thermal paste already applied. is that the case for every cooler that accompanies a processor? should I apply extra?

>>56478938
Should probably say to the AMD build is with DDR3 memory but same capacity

>>56478753
Airflow is a meme. Ambient temperatures and method of cooling are the biggest determining factors of heat at load.

>>56478962

>method of cooling
>airflow is not one of them

Do you magically think watercooling works differently to air cooling?

>>56478938
you could and it would save you some money. but before you do check these comparisons and this site out

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-FX-6350-Six-Core-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6400/m713vs3512

sometimes you can find parts for more or less. but overall its a nice site to compare parts and prices

>>56478487
Oh, this is why I said to call me an ignorant faggot. I had no idea whether or not that was realistic because this is all new for me. What should I sacrifice, budget, specs or longevity?

>>56478680
>>56478710
>>56478739
Thanks, I'll make sure to look into it using the parts you posted as standards and study way more into pc parts. I have no money saved up right now and it'll take me a few months to save up so I'll have lots of time to think on it

>>56476894
>overclockable motherboard
>locked cpu
you're retarded

You can get $10 off all items over $50 on ebay until 7PM PT today. Use promo code C10FALLFLASH.

>>56478909

p-please respond

>>56479251

>What should I sacrifice, budget, specs or longevity?


Pic two of the following;

Longevity
Specification
Good price

Unless your pockets are as deep as the copper canyon you can only ever have two of those three. Even if you did have unlimited funds due to the voltatile nature of the gpu world nothing will last 5 years at max settings.

>>56479255
that is well established, I literally have no clue what I'm doing

>>56479251
yeah man go make that money lol. also black friday is coming up so there's potential to save some cash

>>56479297
the i5 is a 65W part, and let's say the GPU has an 8pin connector (the 480 has one?) so it could use 225 (65 + 150) at most, the rest doesn't use jack. So lets say the total comes down to ~325.
You're good.

If you didn't already buy the parts get the Sapphire instead, they are way better than ASUS on AMD parts.

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>>56479297

Having enough wattage on the label =! delivering said wattage.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/

Bonus comedy link: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=379

>>56479384
i dont really think it works that way at all. like lets say i found good priced parts with good specs. there's no reason they shouldnt last as long as something priced well and with .. "longevity"

computer parts get better every year. nothing stays on top for too long

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Will this shit be OK for 5 years? I plan to get another 1070 on summer, and use the 750ti I already have for the second and third and maybe even a fourth monitor just to leave 100% of the 1070's power to my current 1080p, and maybe I'd get a 1440p before summer.

Also, how good is that RAM?

>>56478521
Maybe if your GPU pulls hundreds of watts from the PCIe slot/shits in the street

>>56478949
Wow you really are completely ignorant
You're a ripe picking to get shilled at

>>56479767
No. M.2 SSDs sit right under the GPU, get hot and make the GPU pull hot air. The new NVME shit gets over 100 degree celsius.
Enjoy reballing your graphics chip.

>>56479574

It does work that way if you have a specific performance goal in mind (like say, aiming for 60fps average with all the bells and whistles turned up in games). Overclocking and knowing what settings kill fps for little improvement for IQ (and thus turning down said settings) can lead to hardware - specifically a gpu - lasting a long time.

If you jsut want to crank every slider to the right and demand 60fps minimum then you better couch up.

>>56479039
He's right though, as far as non-CPU and non-GPU cooling goes, a gentle breeze is more than enough

>>56479673
SLI is a meme and a single 1070 is more than enough for 1440p
>>56479826
Oh yeah that, luckily my m2 is slightly next to the GPU, not under it (which I agree is very dumb)

>>56459329
If I can get a 1060 3GB and a 470 4GB for about the same price, which is preferred?

>>56479673
Everything but the GPU and storage should last over 5 years. When the time for upgrade comes you can squeeze more performance out of it by OCing.

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My friend asked me to make a parts list for him, and said he wants to play World of Warcraft on very high settings at 1080p, but for as cheap as possible. He said other games aren't much of a factor for him, except Battlefield 4 maybe.
He said he does need a lot of storage, so having more than 2 hard drive slots is important for him, which is why I chose this case over the Nzxt s340.
How's this list? I'm thinking instead of a 3gb gtx 1060 i'll tell him to track down a used gtx 960 in the $125 range, because as I said before, It's almost entirely for WoW. My 960 does chug a little bit in that game though (in raids, at very high settings at least), so maybe the dramatic power increase with the 1060 is worth it.

>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/rRscHN

>>56479881
>SLI is a meme and a single 1070 is more than enough for 1440p
Ok, then I'll reconsider my build to save some money so I will be able to get a good 1440p memonitor. I still have time to build it thought, I'll buy it at febraury or so.

>>56479936
The storage is the current I already have, but one HDD less, and I'd get more storage when I need it.


Thanks guys.

>>56479039
The fans will move the air they need regardless of "airflow". They will create a vacuum if the conditions are right. You can pack your case full of shirts and towels and it will still hold manageable temperatures. Airflow only matters to the point that you have a way for air to get in, so long as that is achieved, everything else is negligible.

>>56480067
you could get a micro atx and save 30-40 bucks

you could also pirate windows and save the 92

the build you posted will play wow no problem though

>>56479384
I guess I'll sacrifice specs. I've never been a massive graphics person. I just want 60fps and a large library. With my PS4 and a PC, I think I'll have access to the largest library possible with with ms's plans to bring the xbone's first party exclusives hence forth to Win10

>>56479455
Quick question before I get really into this though. Is it more viable to buy the parts one at a time when I see a good deal or should I buy it all at one time?

>>56480144
i cant really help you there. parts go on and off sale. you might see a part thats 15 dollars off now and itll only be 10 dollars off around black friday. no one knows for sure. but generally if you buy all the parts at once youll save the most on black friday

>>56480144
New components don't go on significant sales until their end of life, and even then may not get considerable sales. If your budget allows and you want the things now, then get them now. Black Friday sucks now. You might get a chance for a $10 mail in rebate on a GTX 1080 that you won't receive for a month. If you want to save money, buy used.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/j3MNPs

r8

>>56480257
p gud

I would recommend you get the MATX version of that case and mobo though. Don't need full size ATX.

>>56480243
Would I still receive a warranty buying used?

>>56461320
i think its canadian dollars

>>56460051
>FX-8350 @ 4.2GHZ
Why dont you have a more aggressive overclock you have it water cooled

>>56480297
Depends on the brand. EVGA offers a 3 year limited warranty on second hand items. A lot of times you can also buy B stock or warehouse items, such there's cosmetic damage on unopened or unused items.

>>56476894
>r9 fury
>2016
spend another $100 for the 1070

Is it worth spending a bit more on a 6gb GTX1060 or should I get a 3gb model instead?

Looking to get a good few years ofuse before upgrading

>>56480475
Yes it's completely worth it. 3 GB 1060 May as well be a 1050.

>>56480456
but I want freesync and amd doesn't have anything better
i wish i could buy nvidia for the better performance but i don't want to pay for gsync as well

>>56459329
For a slight overclock on a 6600k, what RAM speed is worth it?

>>56480475
Yes the 3GB version is a afterthought and basically a scam

>>56481116
3000mhz is worth it, price wise (not performance related, but just for dollars/Hz)
I doubt you'll ever notice a difference going from 2133hz ddr4 to more

>>56480475
3Gb was proving to be insufficient for settings turned up on my old 280x. Pascal does have some memory compression but vram use is only going to go up so wouldn't reccomend a 3Gb card in the current year+1

>>56459329
https://smile.amazon.com/MSI-Solution-Intel-Z170A-Motherboard/dp/B016I0X13I/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130892

https://smile.amazon.com/ASUS-DDR4-Intel-Motherboard-Z170-P/dp/B012VOO3E6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132571

https://smile.amazon.com/Gigabyte-LGA1151-Intel-Motherboards-GA-Z170-HD3P/dp/B012N6LOZS/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G3KG3274

Can an autismo help me here? Which of these three mobos would be best?

MSI doesn't have Type C. ASUS is supposed to have shit customer service. Gigabyte is supposed to have a shit BIOS for OCing(?).

Hard decision

>>56482119
Just stick your hardware on it and be happy

>>56482277
Muh smart consumerism

halp pls some1

I've been running this PC for about three years now (since the winter of 2013) without problems, but in the past half week or so I've been suffering random power downs/restarts, to the point where I had a .psd I was working on become corrupted. It's almost definitely the power supply going to shit on me, but that's just an assumption considering I expected it to last longer than a little under 3 years before dying.

Either way, considering how important my data is to my work, I've been thinking I need to move to a UPS either way. What should I be looking for when it comes to a new purchase?

>>56482306
Pick the one that looks cool

>>56482119

are you going to overclock? do you know what youre doing? are you absolutely sure youre going to overclock? you need to know what youre really doing if youre taking that route. and if youre on that level you probably wont need the customer service. get the asus

otherwise get the gigabyte. great product. great customer service

fuck msi

>>56482119
The truth is that all motherboards are awful and you're just trading off problems by switching brands

$96 Intel M2 SSD or $186 Samsung M2 SSD?
Both are 256 Niggabytes

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Partpicker says I need about 300W.

Should I get the cheapest PSU on logical increments: the EVGA 430 or Corsair 430W... or are they bad?

>>56482797

m.2 is a meme imo, stick with a regular cheaper sata3 drive unless you regularly transfer huge ass 4k video files or some shit, you won't feel a difference otherwise

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4NUKME

>>56482882
Do you think SSDs are a "meme" too?
OCZ really? did you just sort by sales?

imAo I think your opinion is shit.

>>56482882
Shit, in 7 hours that'll be even more expensive than the M2 NVMe
Like I normally wouldn't give a shit about drive speed, but it's pretty cheap to stuff that hole on my mother board

It really is
/pcag/ - PC Assembly General

>>56482882
Once I get a 4K TV, I would like to transfer huge ass 4K video files...

>>56482860
please respond :'(

>>56482797
I would also like to avoid needing a damn heatsink on my hard drive

>>56483060
Get 80+ bronze at least
I would personally get at least 550w but I fell for the meme

>>56483136
what meme? the too low wattage meme?

>>56483163
It seems like all reccomended power supplies are overkill, which I'm fine with because I have a job
I got a 650w 80+gold for my i5 and 1070, which is too much but who gives a shit? I could've cheaped out as hard as possible on a PSU and still barely saved $20

>>56482860
AMD recommends using a 500W PSU with that card. I'd go with the recommendation just to be safe.

>>56483163
Also PSUs are always going on sale, that's something to consider

>>56482882
That's a really good deal. Anyone looking for a SSD should jump on that.

>>56483002

let me explain then.

i don't think ssds are a meme, i wouldn't have suggested one otherwise. sata 3 ssds are a huge improvement over hdds, and while nvme drives are even faster, it's a relatively small improvement i'd take capacity over speed at that point, especially for a system only used for web browsing and vidya.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9702/samsung-950-pro-ssd-review-256gb-512gb/7

random reads are what makes ssds so much better than hdds, and nvme drives aren't that much better in that regard. they kick ass with large sequential reads though.

i did sort by sales, because brand loyalty is also a meme. always go for the cheapest shit that doesn't have any glaring issues. the ocz that would churn out paperweights 40% of the time is long gone. toshiba bought the brand name a year or so ago and they've been sailing smooth ever since.

>>56483563
Ironically OCZ M2 NVMe drives are reviewed as right between the 600p and 950 pro, speed wise
I'm feeling good about the $96 600p, I already have a dank sata SSD and really just want to see that slot filled

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>had two gigabyte mobo's die on me, one after a year and another after 2
>RMA service didn't fuck with me, but just bummed that it happened twice in a row

>now planning a new build
>looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128838
>couple reviews people also have their boards die after a couple months
>every other board in the pricing bracket has their own issues though

Should I just bite the bullet and hope to tell I don't get unlucky? I mean the alternatives are ASUS or MSI, right? Despite my issues gigabyte is the least shit?

>>56483600
I've got a pair of the new OCZ NVMe sticks on their way and a Plextor M8Pe (with the heat sink) on backorder. Can't wait to see how they fair against my worn-out 950 PRO and SM951. Already at 170TB of writes on the SM951.

>>56483618
I have a gigabyte board and it werks.

>>56483618

they're all equally shit, just pick your poison. keep in mind that a great deal of consumer reviews are written by complete idiots, and are only written when something goes wrong. you could definitely go much cheaper on the board though, just grab whatever has all the features you know you need.

>>56483618
This >>56483683
But I've rarely had customers asking to replace their mobos and I usually go with Gigabyte for lower end Intel chipsets and AMD boards. It's all luck of the draw, really. Sometimes you luck out, sometimes you never have a faulty board at all. Abit was an exception, but they're gone now.

>>56483667
Did M2 change your life?

>>56483763
It makes editing and playing back uncompressed or high-bitrate compressed 4K files bearable. They really need to come in larger sizes to make sense though.

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What did Amazon mean by this?

>>56483808
I love that i have a professional use for faster uncompressed data but I have to keep reminding myself that audio is not a difficult task for a computer

>>56483903
I think a SATA-based SSD should be fast enough for audio files. I've never seen an audio-only file require any more than 300MB/s read or write for extended durations.

>>56478688
You faggots always forget to factor in he cost of electricity.

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>>56483683
>you could definitely go much cheaper on the board though, just grab whatever has all the features you know you need.
I guess I can, but I also don't want to cheap out
Can someone help me out on this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?CompareItemList=%2D1%7C13%2D128%2D840%5E13%2D128%2D840%2C13%2D128%2D838%5E13%2D128%2D838

The ONLY difference I see is for 60 more dollars you get a second rj-45 port for some reason. Is there a real difference between these two?

>>56484034
>cheapest power on this half of the earth
My local dam is powered by the endless flow of your tears

Planning to buy a MSI armour 1060. Should I increase my RAM and PSU? Current is 2x4gb and 430w.

>>56483860
That your RAM would arrive up to 8pm of today.

>>56484074
Nah you good senpao

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>>56483563

Okay you know what I just got pissed when you said "meme" and I was being an ass.

I take it back your opinion is clearly not shit, thanks for giving relative info instead of flaming what could have been a troll.

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Can I just get an "A-Okay good to go" confirmation on this? I'm about to drop $800 on my first build.

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Is the 1TB Mushkin Reactor a good buy? Super cheap and it's MLC.

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>>56484204
Don't forget to pay for Windows 10

>>56484243
>not TLC
I guess it's a cold-hearted drive for your lifeless machine
Cortana will never love you

>>56484276
okay well I'm going to hit enter anyway.

AMD

dont feel like paying for windows? dont feel like pirating windows? dont like windows?

http://linuxsurvival.com/

dont feel like paying for windows? dont feel like pirating windows? dont like windows?

http://linuxsurvival.com/

dont feel like paying for windows? dont feel like pirating windows? dont like windows?

http://linuxsurvival.com/

>>56484204

Why is it 244$$ for a i5-6400?

I paid under 200 for my 6600

>>56484449
Probably the same reason it's $330 for a 480

>>56484449
hes a cucknadian

>>56484204
Hopefully that 4GB 480 will also infact be an 8GB that can sneakily unlocked by you later on ;)

>>56484580
ya that would be pretty cool.

doubt it matters though.

it's slightly overkill for 1080p 60Hz

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>tfw entire custom computer discount doesn't exist
I just wanna spend $1000 and get 100 back

>>56484708
>and get 100 back
thats why meme credit cards exist my man
try finding some that gives % cash back from purchasing with wherever youre buying and learn to use it effectively so you reap all the possible rewards

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Is there a faster SSD?

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>>56484772
There's a cheaper one

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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/wD2FsJ

this is it lads, perhaps my final iteration before buying. how do I look?

>>56484903
check out the toshiba 3gb hdd

>>56484903
also posted earlier

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4NUKME

>>56484956
>>56484978
sheeit I forgot to add those in
everything else look good?

>>56485028
hardware looks great dawg. youre gunna love it

only thing i can see is theres no OS. you can pirate windows for free. im actually looking into linux for my next machine

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http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MKv6D8

Budget is right around $1600.

Planing on buying a DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX 400 cooler for my i5 4690S. Anyone have any other recommendations for easy to install coolers? Not going to OC.

>>56480362
because this motherboard sucks dick. i cant get it past 4.4 and thats putting it at 1.41 volts... feelsbadman...

>>56482442
yeah im gonna OC mildly

im worried about customer service for the case that the mobo fucks up

There's a lot of information here regarding why the iPhone 7 is not a leap in technology, and is definitely an aesthetic, but you have to understand the semi conductors here are phenomenal.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-iphone-6s-plus-review

>>56485440
>paying that much for the mini itx meme
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/dJbvjc
fixed it

How are m2 ssd's sustainable if they run at 100 degrees centigrade (convert it)?

>>56486096
It just werks

Has AMD made anything recently that wasn't an APU or housefire?

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>pc part picker says pic related is compatible, and nothing looks like it shouldn't work from the specs
>buy it
>turns out the graphics card isn't wide enough and won't go into the slot on the mobo
help me /g/ I have fallen into despair

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>>56486292
wait I'm retarded
I meant THIS pic related

>>56486307
I think you're doing it wrong if the card isn't wide enough?

>>56485440
this looks hella shitty for the price

>>56486307
>>56486335
wait are you trying to put the GPU in the fucking ram slot?

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>>56486292
>turns out the graphics card isn't wide enough and won't go into the slot on the mobo
what did he mean by this

>>56486591
I think he's trying to put the GPU in the ram slot. It's retarded but it's the only way I can make sense of it.

>>56486699
I can imagine him sitting there in this heat, sweating and frustrated.

I have several iterations on what I should build with a 2600 budget , like sli 1070's or a single 1080

>>56486932
single 1080 then sli later?

>>56486932
How much is the Titan XP?

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I have an extreme aversion to Windows 10, as well as the backported telemetry shit. I'm using Vista right now because it doesn't have that shit, but I'm not opposed to using 7 if I absolutely, positively, unequivocally must. I enjoy my ability to recklessly update without worry, but using 7 won't kill me.
With that in mind: Skylake, or Devil's Canyon? I want something I can sit on for a few years, as I was previously using a Phenom II X2, using (used) mobos from that era to unlock to an X4, but I've gone through three fucking mobos in two years. I want something that I can rely on for a long time.

>>56486360
>>56486591
>>56486699
>>56486757
No, see I'm retarded, but in a different way. I took out all of the standouts, and tried to screw the motherboard in without them. I fucked up reading the instructions.
So my computer works! ...it just sounds like an angry bee. Jesus that cpu fan is fucking LOUD.

>>56487469
Hit the case a bunch of times until it stops. Always worked for me.

also make sure a cable isn't rubbing up against the fan you mental degenerate

>>56459329
So how do you fuckers deal with limited USB ports?

Can you put more on?

Most PCs come with 4. You got your mouse and keyboard thats 2. I'm assuming you keep your external connected for backup thats 3. Then what you got one left? You wanna play game with a controller AND plug in your headphones woah hold on buddy back it up. Things get even more out of control if you don't have a network printer.

On my last build (and my last "real" PC for that matter) two of my ports died leaving me really fucked.

So USBs wat do?

>>56487559
A good few cases have UBS ports of their own. Mine has 4, 2 USB 3.0. That and add with the mobo UBS get you can end up with 6-8.

>>56487559


https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-4-Port-Individual-Switches-HB-UMLS/dp/B00BWF5U0M/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1473308193&sr=1-5&keywords=usb

?

Are there any mini itx cases smaller than the RVZ02 I could fit a mid length gpu in? If not how about cases I could fit a 5-8inch mini itx geared gpu in?

>>56487668
I bought something like this.

Worked really well (no lag or problems on wheels, sticks, mics, etc) for like a week then it melted itself.

I don't know if I want to try again.

Mine was a Hootoo.

>>56487761
i mean the reviews are amazing. and there's a lot of them. maybe you just got unlucky.

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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/JqdCd6
Alright I have the hard drives, I know I want the 1070, where can I save a little money and keep it quality? I'm open to a new case or to even go ITX size maybe, i don't plan to overclock but it's nice to have the option. The ram seems like the best MHz/dollar. I'm also open to a new cooler

>>56487761
>Hootoo.
Avoid China-shit whenever possible. Sabrent, StarTech, and Vantec also make their shit in China, but they at least go through some quality control to reduce the chance of failure (plus they have a much better support channel and will actually redeem your warranty)

RX 480 here want to know what fps other anons are getting in games if any fps drops.

GTA V Online 40-60fps everything maxed.
BF1 Beta 60fps with some random drops in high 40s at times(mostly during dust storm).
Elite Dangerous 60fps.
Borderlands 2 60fps.
Bioshock Infinite 60fps.
Vsync on of course if not fps jumps in the 70-90s range.

Right now I've got a total shit CPU and a total shit GPU and I need to upgrade but I can only get a CPU, motherboard and some RAM. I can choose between the i3 6100 and the i5 4440, which one should I get?

>>56487816
Do you need liquid cooling? Can you buy a cheaper motherboard instead? Do you need DDR4 memory? What does it even do? Do you need such an expensive SSD? Do you need TWO? That M.2 is going to melt your case brah. They throttle by default because they get so hot, and waste motherboard bandwidth. A silly thing to get. Fancy cases are pretty much useless. All that matters is that it holds the motherboard in place and can fit a bunch of fans. You'll want to buy those too.

>>56487873
>actually redeem

Sounds good.

They just ching chang chonged around the issue and it wasn't worth my $15 to keep at it. Probably how these companies make their money.

>>56488711
i5, real cores beat HT powerwise.
If you really want DDR4 get the Pentium Skylakes and save for the i5 upgrade later.

>>56488816
A month ago I was thinking of getting a g4400, but I don't want to have to change the CPU in 2 months

>>56488711
i3 6100, you'll have a DDR4 platform and you can get a better CPU for the socket later.

>>56488259
Frametimes and 0.1% lows are usually worse on AMD cards. I noticed that one of the stated reasons that the PS4 Pro/Neo has a CPU with increased clock speeds is that devs want more uniform frametimes.

I have an FX 6350 and a 470. I'll start posting benchmarks when I get my mobo back (Fri).

>>56487816
You do you

>>56487442
>extreme aversion to Windows 10
Devil's Canyon

>>56488858
Personally I'd bite the bullet and get the i5 Skylake, either that or find a Haswell i5 and slap an aftermarker cooler. Outside of DDR4 there's marginal performance gain.

>>56488877
Like I said I don't want to buy anither CPU in a couple of months, I need one that is going to last

>>56488883
Yeah I'll probably get the i5

is ddr4 a fucking scam or what?

>>56488905
Both the i5 and the i3 have four threads. They have the similar lifespans. Years down the road you can get an i7 when you really need eight threads. May as well get Skylake.

mobo-$70
400W psu-$35
6 gig ram-$35
tower-$30
cpu-undecided so far
gpu-$100 (secondhand 770 2gb)

comes out to 270 before the cpu

those are the only components needed, have everything else
trying to stay as cheap as possible, naturally

what do you think?

>>56488923
More DDR4 is mostly one Skylake and later, meaning you have to pay a premium for the 5% gain of the socket when 8GB RAM isn't going to murder you if it's DDR3.

>>56488923

Unless you get the highly clocked kits DDR4 doesn't offer too much over highly clocked DDR3 for the average pleb. Still there is no downside to having more bandwidth.

>>56488969
Unless you're playing at 720p, GPU is shit. Get at least 8GB RAM

PS4 Pro is coming out for 400USD. If you want a multiplat machine that's your answer.

>>56488971
please rewrite that in english

>>56489097
Sorry, typos hate me.

DDR3 vs DDR4 can add life to something, but the CPU gens arguably don't have a performance gap to justify the purchase of the platform altogether.

>>56489141
I made that post when I saw DDR4 being double the price for completely negligible performance gains, or even losses of whole nanoseconds in latency.

It's so fucking pointless I don't get it.

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Lets talk about fans
are noctua meme fans worth it? specifically the nf-s12a and nf-a15? these things are 20 bucks each, and I'm just looking for case fans
whats the RPM acceptable for cooling a normal PC before going into full retard overkill mode? maximum of 1200-1500?
if I have the option between 120mm and 140mm, is there a point in going for 140 over 120?

>>56489845
They are more expensive than mainstream but I usually have no problem investing in accessories that I can keep for myself even after I get rid of the main thing.

For example why choose crappy cheap bike lock when you can use it on your next bike?

Fans will always work in another case.

>>56489978
Any bicycle lock you get should double as a weapon to use when mounted.

>>56490078
>>56490078
>>56490078
New thread