SSD Appreciation Thread

I save 3 seconds of my life when I turn on my computer

>>56429111
I save hours of time each time I install large programs or other big bundles of files, and especially each time I modify/move/copy my partitions, install new linux distros to try them, etc.

Copying partitions at a quarter gigabyte per second is a bit less annoying than copying them at shitty hdd speeds.

Add faster internet too (new provider, 10x the speed for the same price), and installing linux distros is a chore that no longer takes an hour but just a few minutes.

>>56429348
I install Linux distros 30 times per day and Dave a lot of time

>>56428993
Non-SSD user here, but honestly curious
How does the reliability compare to a disk drive's nowadays?

>>56428993
SSD+W10+Fastboot motherboard = 2 sec load from power to login

Also the /v/ side of me loves being first to load in maps on Battlefield

Only PCIe/NVMe people please, no poorfags allowed

>>56429475
>fastboot with a SSD
I bet you also have a pagefile

>>56429418
They're pretty good. You want a backup, because they degrade in a more linear fashion.

Basically, SSD's never fail until you start deleting stuff off of them. Deleting and re-using space is what leads to problems, and I don't know if flash memory as we know it will ever be able to fix that problem.

It's worth it though. My computer boots from off to on with all programs running in literally 10-15 seconds. It's incredible coming from regular HDDs just a year ago where my PC would take 30 seconds to get to windows, then another couple of minutes to get everything up and running at 100%.

I can turn my PC off when I go out for a walk, or when I'm going off to cook dinner now without dreading the boot process. It's such an improvement.

I have a small boot SSD, sure. It's nice enough. But what I really want is a 2GB PCIe SSD with massive speed to obliterate loading times in vidya. Fucking hate loading times, everything else has advanced, but loading times are more or less the same.

>>56429494
Deal with my cheao chink sata ssd richfag

>>56429536
>dreading the boot process.
glad to see that you're enjoying loli 15 seconds sooner

>>56429543
> want is a 2GB PCIe SSD
and wtf would that 2gb hold ??

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SSDs allow me to switch OS in 25~ seconds so I can boot into Windows to play a game and back to Linux for everything else. I enjoy that.

>actually wants to buy SSD
>still afraid of all the FUD about ssd having a shitty lifespan
>always wonder if you can trust any brand or if they mostly do shit.

I-I guess I'll wait for a new meme storage technology

>>56429560
>and wtf would that 2gb hold

The only reason why I bother with this technology to begin with: Games.

>>56429521
what does a pagefile have to do with skipping uefi checks?

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>>56429573
>2gb expected to hold games

>>56429607
Fuck, meant 2TB.

>>56428993
Are there still people in TWENTY FUCKING SIXTEEN who aren't on SSDs yet?

Anybody have a Toshiba OCZ Trion 150?

Looks solid. I want to get a 960 gb one.

>>56429639
There are people here who still don't have a PCIe SSD and call themselves enthusiasts.
it's 2016 !

>>56429418
Samsung pro drives will withstand something like 7000 tb of writes before going bust. That would take a lifetime to do for a regular user.

>>56429536
>>56429418
I would like to remind everyone, this is bullshit from the early oughts.

SSDs now literally last forever.

http://techreport.com/review/27436/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-two-freaking-petabytes

Lets say you had a 500GB SSD. To wear it out you would need to:

1. Write 500GB per day. So you would need to rewrite the ENTIRE drive every day.
2. For 10 years.

This is far and beyond whats required for almost all consumer use cases. There is literally no reason not to have your main drive be an SSD.

>>56429650

Don't have one but I don't think there are really "bad" SSDs these days. Some are a little faster or perhaps a little more durable than others but I wouldn't hesitate to use an OCZ or any other brand if I came across a good deal.

Ssd have been among us since like forever, their reliability just depends on price and parts quality (controllers, nand, manufacturing, etc..)
Just the same as Hdd
Though is not meant for storage purposes as the price for capacity is not there yet, neither hdd does unless you set a backup/redundant/raid system so your data is totally safe.
I dont see why it is not an adventage to boot your OS and programs from there now that the market is starting to offer lower prices

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>>56429662
lol no

you'll still occasionally get bottlenecked by any mechanical drives you have attached (if i click on upload, firefox will pause while my 4TB wakes up for example).
SSD life estimatesa round 8-12 years for most drives. you'll probably never use it that long, i've upgraded mine three times since 2010, from 128 to 256 and now 500GB

>>56429697
That is why you replace everything with SSDs. Use HDDs to hotswap, load your porn, and store it somewhere else forever.

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>>56429692
I agree with you that the results of the endurance test.

warranty period != life of the drive

Honestly 4TB (avg of 130 gigs per day) per month for 100 months is plenty, by the time the drive might die from wearing out it will long be obsolete.

>>56428993
takes a little less time to start my computer, my games have no loading times

Thats about it

>>56429591
I mean, why do you have fasboot enabled when it takes almost the same to perform a complete boot with an Ssd other than just adding extra writing cycles for it to shorten its lifetime? Also having a pagefile enabled is even worse unless you really need one due to low memory issues.
I also recommend is you have enough ram you should store your browser's cache on ram instead of the SSd for it not to wear out sooner

>>56429559
cheap ssds are literally worse than hard drives.

>>56429543
>2GB PCIe SSD with massive speed to obliterate loading times in vidya
not how it works.
Even the fastest SSDs show at most a few seconds faster load speed. That's because 'loading' a game isn't just streaming assets from datastore to memory, it's actually doing processing along the way, and isn't necessarily a parallelisable process either.

>>56429675
I really want this to be true. You better not be memeing me

>>56429785
it is true. It's infact the opposite that is the meme.

Like who actually thought that data stored on an IC, with no mechanical components, would be more volatile than data stored on a platter of metal, spinning at 7200rpm with nanometer scale mechanical tolerances? It's a dumb notion and only applies to the very first stages of the product lifecycle.

>>56429662
>>56429675

From my experience, that is blatantly wrong. I still use SSDs, but I have had high quality expensive SSDs die fairly consistently after 2-3 years of read/writing large images daily. I think they died right in line with the ~200tb/500gb limits advertised by intel and samsung for the top end drives.

>>56429494
pic related is not a poorfag setup anon

>>56429827
You do realize that SSDs will lose their data if powered off? My Seagate 600 Pros are rated for only 3 months powered off.

>>56429827
You sound like you're memeing.

>>56429842
>top end
>200tb of writes
my ~3 year old 480GB seagates are rated for 1.2PB and as far as enterprise class SSDs go they're fairly low end

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>>56429845
>>56429494
>pic related is not a poorfag setup anon
forgot my pic

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>>56429494
Muh $70 NVMe drive

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>>56428993
1TB 840 EVO owner here.

Hot fuck, having an SSD is so nice. I can shutdown, restart, and be back in a Discord chatroom before anyone was notified that I had left.

I sometimes forget how slow HDD's are when it comes to starting up applications, then I'd go to school (university) and remember why I don't like to do shit on their computers.

>>56430058
>Challenge round
My computer is on 24/7. Do I get an SSD?

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>>56430080
Short answer: Yes.

Slightly longer answer: Even if you don't have to worry about boot times (since you'd be running 24/7), the difference in application start-up times is night and day.

Would you be constantly writing something to your SSD? Then I'd say "maybe."

>>56430080

It will only massively speed up any operation on your computer that involves reading or writing data while being completely silent and using a fraction of the power.

SSDs are objectively superior to HDDs in every single conceivable way outside of price per GB.

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>>56430080
>>56430172

My recommendation to you would be something from Adata. They do a really good job at SSDs.

Specifically speaking, the Premier SP550 series is a good way to go.

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>>56428993
>Tell us how much your life has improved by switching to SSDs
This much, from a 10k RPM WD Velociraptor

>>56430306
garbo

>>56430316
not really considering what i paid for it all ;)

>>56430250
>Specifically speaking, the Premier SP550 series is a good way to go.
Their drives are so shitty they dont even specify the number of unrecoverable read errors
http://adata.com/us/ssd/specification/333

stop recommending shitty equipment just because you own it

>>56430185

>encryption and secure data erasure requires you to trust whatever chink company made your drive
>loses data when powered off
>destroys itself faster the more you use it

no more dropping my laptop and worrying about lost data

it's already happened to me twice with HDDs before

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>>56428993
Pulled 120gb 850 EVO today, dropped in 275gb MX300. Now dual booting win7 and Ubuntu with some breathing room, and disposed of my failing auxiliary HDD.

Increased reliability, battery life, srartup time (no 5400rpm dino drive to drag it down anymore), reduced redundance, dropped the EVO in my girlfriend's laptop and she blew me while I cloned her old drive

Eat shit HDD dinosaurs

>>56430508
>she blew me
thingsthatneverhappened.TIF

>>56430508
What did he mean by this?

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>>56430395
>implying

I own an 840 EVO. I hadn't seen anything bad about Adata (only good things, actually), so that's why I recommended it.

>>56430548
>I hadn't seen anything bad about Adata
Because i'm sure you're constantly keeping abreast of a a literally who SSD brand. They can't provide a very simple specification for disk reliability yet you're retardedly recommending them.

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>>56430571
>implying, again

>constantly keeping abreast of a a literally who SSD brand

>>56430628
stay btfo anon

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>>56430661
In all seriousness, I'm glad we had this discussion. Clearly I need to brush up on my shit, because there were quite a few reviews saying those drives are indeed bad.

Cheers mate.

>>56428993
GTA V no longer takes 5 minutes to boot up.

I'm want to buy my first SSD. Now, everything in my country is overpriced as hell and I have few options.
My brand options are:
-PCBox
-Adata
-Sandisk
-Kingston
-Markvision

Which one would you people recommend?

>>56430892
Just wondering why Samsung isn't on your list or also Intel. My SSDs have all come from either Intel or Samsung and they've been rock solid

>>56430918
Both brands cost double here than the ones I mentioned

>>56430976
But wouldn't it be worth it to make sure you don't get some awful ssd from some no name company?

>>56430892
Sandisk.

>>56430742
>unironically using the one game that still takes for-fucking-ever to start up even on an SSD as an example

>>56428993
OP, SSDs are kind of costly. In a year they're gonna be half the price per GB and you'll feel dumb for having wasted $200.

>>56430892
>Sandisk
Ok
>Kingston
Also ok

don't know the rest.

>>56431050
Hahahahahahahaha, they used to be like 1k bro

>>56430892
I use Crucial. When it comes to memory, they've never done me wrong.

>>56430918
Samsungs are solid? I've only read bad reviews about them.

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Can I use an m.2 ssd with this board?

>>56431095
Probably just butthurt Apple shills

>>56431104
Even if you don't have m.2 slots you can use PCI-E adapters as long as you got some free pci-e slotz

>>56430992
Sandisk SSD Plus 128gb - 60 USD
Markvision SSD 128gb - 50 USD
Samsung 850 EVO 128gb - 115 USD
Intel SSD5 128gb - 83 USD

That's the local prices to USD.

>>56431125
Yeah I'm not seeing an m.2 slot unfortunately, I thought my motherboard would have one since it's somewhat recent. Any chance you can link me the adapter you're talking about? I'm an idiot.

>>56431010
>>56431058
Thanks, will probably go for Sandisk then.

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>>56431183
>Any chance you can link me the adapter you're talking about? I'm an idiot.
Not going to link a certain one because I've never used them (my computer has 2 m.2 slots) but I do know they exist and it looks like the reviews on them are positive

>>56431232
wrong pic, sorry. Meant to just post google search for pci-e m.2 adapter

>>56431168
looks fine, I paid $325 for a Samsung ssd a couple months ago (see >>56431232)

>>56431168
Do you poo on the loo?

>>56428993
I bought a second hand HP computer at 70$ just to watch internet videos on my TV.
I changed the HD for a SSD cuz it made an annoying sound.
Now the computer starts faster than the TV.

would you buy a pny 240gb for 99 dollars knowing it costs 70 in the US?

asking cuz this is one of the perks of living in a third world shithole

>>56431379
No, I pretend to be white (Argentina)

>>56430508
I recently pulled a 120gb M500 and dropped in a 525gb MX300. I'm already planning on dropping the old M500 on the family computer.

>>56435385
I need two. One I would short out from cumming on it.

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Who 60TB here?

>>56435409
What was the point of removing the link?

i wanted to buy some cheaper SSD and i ended up with SanDisk Plus, did i fucked up? It has same components as Crucial BX100. I wanted Plextor M6V but its sold out as well.
All the newer SSDs in this price range are TLC and not MLC (or more like double) thats why i went with SanDisk. Should i stay with it or get a refund?

>>56435423
>Buy a Plextor because its the best
>Tell /g/ its the best
>/g/ MAH SAMSUNG
>2 years later, cant buy Plextor because they are sold out.

I went with that super generic Siliicon Power SSD as my second one. I needed more space but didnt feel like paying money for more. Its a decent drive but its a little, weird.

Sometimes It doesn't boot until I reset my machine. Sometimes wipes my boot record for shits and giggles. Sometimes boots up until windows needs to load then stops and requires a restart.

Its never outright failed. But its almost like a jester making fun of me.

>>56428993
I now wait less.
I don't like waiting very much.
My life has improved a bit.

i have 2 hdds and no ssd get mad

>>56431104
No. Too much dust and hair in it.

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Been using this guy for a while now. So far no problem or issues.

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Balls.

why is suddenly everyone returning to TLC?
is it better to buy shitter brand MLC or better brand TLC?

>>56429348
Wtf I hate hdds now

>>56435423 here
store where i bought my Sandisk is having a sale now, i could return my Sandisk Plus and get a Sandisk Ultra II, should i do it? former is MLC and latter is TLC.
are Sandisk reputable?
anyone has experience with them?
i just bought it few days ago for my new laptop that hasnt arrive and im afraid its gonna have terrible failure rate or something.

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>>56435590
Balls is the proper term.
Intel 750 NVMe PCI-E reporting in.

>>56431095
I couldnt be happier with my pair of 3 year old samsungs at this point. They have worked flawlessly and I write so little to either that they'll hold out for a while yet.

>>56436012
>Intel 750 NVMe PCI-E
How much was your drive?

I barely switch my machine off, I only use laptops so it was logical to throw an mSATA SSD inside.

I didn't like the vibration that the 7200rpm drive was making inside my ThinkPad either, also I get paranoid about mechanical failure at random times originating from one previous failure even though it was physical shock.

SSDs are better in every way as a boot drive.

>>56436060
250 in US Dorra, bought it off a friend. (it was brand new)

Solidworks runs like a dream, assemblies with hundreds of parts open in no time, saving takes no time, and when it inevitably crashes its no big deal because I save more often now that its quicker to do, and it will open again in no time.

>>56429570

>scared of fucking flash storage in 2016
>fine extremely delicate with mechanical drives spinning at 7200rpm

Are you fucking retarded?

Proud owner of a Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB here. I bought Samsung instead of Sandisk and other brands because I know that Samsung grants a basically unlimited lifespan and I had some more money to spend. So far my pc is working greatly: it boots into Windows 10 in less than 3 seconds, it shuts up as fast as light, every app activates almost instantly.

>>56431168
>Samsung 850 EVO 128gb - 115 USD
Wtf
I paid 93€ for a 250 GB Samsung 850 EVO

Any juicy labor day deals on SSDs lads?

I saw this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-211-987&cm_sp=LaborDaySale-_-0902-0905-_-20-211-987-_-NA

but
>ADATA

on the other hand, it's 960GB for $200

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bought for 110 shekels incl tax due to price error on the website

>>56436521
>he believes he is making a deal

Its pretty good for OS.

I'm gonna be honest, there is close to no point for vidya games.

Also if you want one get a 500gb, the 850evo is cheap enough nowadays, mine is almost full already and I have a 1To hard drive too, 250gb is just stupid in 2016.

>>56436521
If you're looking for a ~1TB SSD, this is worth looking at it. I use the 512 gig version.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O4OHCUE/ref=twister_B00TAUI13Y?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

>>56436555
They're good fo load heavy games. Yeah its the difference between 5 second load and 15 second load in total war but thats worth it imo.

>>56436557
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O4OHCUE/ref=twister_B00TAUI13Y?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
neat

thanks

>>56436608
No problem. I've been using it since April. Haven't had any problems, and have pretty quick start times too. >>56435590 are the results from my drive.

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>>56430306
>>56435590
>>56436012
mine, just a couple cheap Apacer 240GB's in raid0

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>Get an ssd
>Immediately get succ by a hoe
>Feelsgoodman.jpeg
>Mfw my ssd got me an std

>>56428993
It's still the fucking same.

>>56429418
power interruption and firmware bugs kill the shitty consumer SSDs

>get ssd
> 2 weeks later computer dies
>FuckMyssd.gif

>>56429639
How do you smoke your SSD?

>>56428993
I can finally turn off my computer when I'm not using it.

>>56437293
The firmware on my drives is rock solid, I turn off SATA aggressive link power management, you ain't gonna save fuck all power from a SSD anyway

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>>56428993
God bless KingDian memes ssd's.
Everything is a lot more comfy.

>>56437293
>shitty consumer SSDs
Are you saying that all consumer SSDs are shitty or there are some consumer SSDs that are shit?

My area usually gets power interruptions once or twice every 3 months. I'm afraid that, that might kill my SSD. (samsung 850 evo)

>>56437455
Get an UPS anon kun

>>56437472
I'll try to get those APC ones, can I get a 300w one even if my computer has a 650w PSU?
Sorry, this question belongs to /sqt/.

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>>56428993
>Before SSD
>Put PC on sleep because of boot times

>After SSD
>Shutdown PC

Feels very pleasant.

My current HDD is dying and probably won't last the week. It's the only internal drive I have right now. I'm on a pretty shit budget since I recently had to get a new PSU and GPU after those died.

Would getting a 250 gb SSD for main use be worth it at this point, or should I just get another HDD? I have a 1 TB external drive I could use for storage until I can afford another internal one.

>>56435409
Hmm 6TB of RAM or 60TB of SSD what makes more sense?

I can now plan my suicide faster!

>>56437515
Depends on what you do, anon-kun.

You will need some sort of drive though, as you'll need something to boot off of. So you may just want to go with the 250 GB SSD for right now to get you by, then get another one later.

>>56437455
only specific brands Samsung's and Intel's are fine

>>56437498
That means your PSU is capable of supplying UP TO 650 watts. That being said, get something with like maybe 1000 W, so you'll have some time to save and shut down.

>>56428993
Are kingdian ssds memes?

>>56437293
>kill the shitty consumer SSDs
They even kill 850 PRO ones, which are probably the most expensive consumer SSDs available.

>>56430508
How is the MX300? I was thinking about getting one.

I am just glad SSD's are starting to get to a point where they are usable. Back when they first were introduced, they were glitchy as all fuck, unreliable quality-wise and were limited by space.

Now? I have a 240GB SSD for Windows and a 500GB SSD for any newer games. It has been pretty nice, I do see a performance increase with both Windows speeds and load times/texture loading in games.

I do see SSD's as the future and eventually fazing out mechanical HDD's on the consumer market eventually, but I also see a lot of these companies making SSD's either getting bought out or closing eventually (Wouldn't surprise me if Sandisk and Samsung start doing that within the next few years).

I have been thinking about getting an SSD for my system, to go along my other two hard drives (1TB WD Blue, 4TB WD Green, 1TB WD Elements External Backup)

Reading along the thread I saw some anons talking about SSD failure when there are power outages, how true is this? Do I really need a
UPS?

If pricew drop for Black Friday or Cyber Monday I am going to try and get a good SSD.

>>56437830
I can't tell the difference between it and the 850. Seems like an incredible value.

>>56437970
It really is man, brings like 25 more GB, and has the same speeds all for 10 dollars cheaper.
I really almost bought one the other day.

>>56437644
>>56437675
Thanks familias

>not having SSD-only systems
Top kek. How does it feel to be cucked by mechanical drives? Do you enjoy your data loss when you accidentally drop your laptop on the ground, senpais?
Kek

IT BOOTS SO FAST

>>56438009
I needed more storage and was seconds away from buying a $60 240gb Kingston, then saw this thing for $10 more... Super happy with it, probably my new brand of choice. 850 is overkill

>2016
>he fell for TLC SSDs meme
explain yourselves

>>56438303
>not joining SLC master race
Step out

>>56438066
I wouldn't even consider it overkill, it's the same as a MX300 (Performance wise)

>>56437362
\//\

>>56438405
>same as 850
The only reason I like the 850 over the 300 is the 10yr warrantee that comes with the Samsung. Does Crucial have that level of confidence in their workmanship?

>>56438484
>10 years
Really? Fucking shit, and if it breaks I guess they would give you a newer drive. Infinite lifespan basically haha.

Well I am not sure but could be 5 years.

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>>56430058 back again.

Just ran CDM on my 840 EVO 1TB. It's no NVMe or PCIe drive, but it works for me.

>>56430306
>>56435590
>>56436012
>>56436963

Rate please desu

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>>56429650
I have the 240GB version. It's much slower than advertised.

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Best 120gb/240gb SSD for up to 70$?

>>56437644
Who the fuck is this namefag?

I could get unused new ADATA SP550 480GB for 80€ with 3 year warranty. Should i ?

>>56429675
no. It is more or less 80 gigs a day for five year you huge fag

Got a 840 Pro in my laptop. It's very fast and reliable, i'd buy it again.
I'm looking for another SSD for a new PC, OS and few programms only, should be about 250GB and below 100€ (the cheaper the better).
How's the crucial MX300 for this? It's very cheap and good on paper.

>>56436548
Intel ones still cheaper

>SSD can be ejected
>Never use it
>I know, I'll buy a WD Re drive
>On the shelf and haven't even plugged it in.

Any tips to improve my inability to manage storage devices?

>>56439872
What do you guys think about the Intel 750? I'm thinking about switching my 2 800 Pros for a single NVMe 750 as my new Haswell-E platform allows it.

I'm not sure how much my old SSDs are worth but the new one will cost at least 5-600 €. Also should I use partitions or leave it as one partition for my games? I want to use it for 4K video recording as well.

>>56440320
The 750's the PCIe one?
Don't get it, it's too expensive, takes one of your precious slots, and a tiny M2 drive (like the Intel 600p) is just as good and also runs off of PCIe lanes without eating a PCIe slot

>>56440375
Yes. Expensive doesn't matter that much as it is lightning fast. I have a 28 lane CPU so lanes don't matter as well as slots. A 400 GB would be enough but 1.2 TB will hold almost all of my games and allow video recording. My current SSDs are too slow for 4K.

>>56440483
I don't know, both PCIe and M2 drives are NOWHERE near their maximum speeds for their interfaces
PCIe-based m2 has a max bandwidth of 32GB/s, but can barely perform at 2-3GB/s
I really doubt you'd lose any speed going from an Intel 750 PCIe to a Samsung 950 pro M2 (the Samsung is quite faster than the 600p Intel one, if that really matters)
The point is both are fucking fast and both are 4-5x faster than even the fastest 2.5" SSD

>>56440483
Comparing PCIe or m2 is pointless if they're both using PCIe data lanes. Any PCIe drive looks better than the green gumstick pcb that is M2 tho

>>56429494
950 pro reporting

I cannot wait for SSDs to jump in capacity and drop in price enough to make filling a NAS/home server with them not break the bank. I just bought four 4TB spinning rust boxes for my NAS (8TB usable w/mirroring) and navigating the failure-prone world of mechanical drives is horrifying. EVERY damned drive has some sort of nasty issue, whether it be noisy, prone to DOAs, prone to corruption, hot, or just plain slow. The game is all about picking the best of a litany of bad options and it's exhausting.

Mechanical drives can't fade into obsolescence soon enough. They're the easily the worst part of any PC build.

Thinking about replacing my 4TB with a 1TB SSD.

i no longer have huge files i need on pc, and my main is a 512GB sm961, thinking about adding another sm961, just the 1TB model.

I have a 1tb samsung ssd, its not the EVO one, its some kind of ssd ripped from a server. I can post pic if anyone desires to see.

For mass storage i use a 2tb toshiba hdd, just so that i wont have to fill up the ssd with junk i wouldnt use anyway, like my whole downloads folder.

And seriously you dont need an ssd to do things like play vidya, it'll work perfectly fine from an hdd, just load times in some cases will drop significantly.

Also yay for 6 seconds to boot

>>56428993
>2016
>shilling for placebo snake oil

>buy expensive SSD so boot time is faster
>turn PC on once a day when waking up

>>56428993
>Only anal plug users only in here. Tell us how much your life has improved by switching to anal plugs

>>56441343
It makes a huge difference when opening behemoth apps like Photoshop and games as well. Same goes for opening large files.

There's also a general snappiness increase across the system with an SSD. Everything reacts instantly, and you never have that momentary lockup associated with waiting for your HD to spin up.

>>56428993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKkKGlMLkow

Do PCIe SSDs matter at all for real world daily use? Looking to upgrade my 4 year old 256B SATA SSD to a larger one, not sure if I should go for a PCIe, or spend the same money and get a larger SATA one.

>>56441752
Is 6GB/s max good enough? If yes get the sata. PCIe or M2 SSDs are definitely faster but they're all fast

searching for features in windows takes a fraction of a second as opposed to quarter of a minute, and diagnosing system problems has never been quicker.
Installing shit, loading files, it's brilliant.

Only problem is that my bays are too large but w/e

On a laptop it makes a huge difference. My laptop with an i7 and dedicated graphics was behavinf like shit. After the ssd everything is smooth as it should be.

On a desktop i think you can get by with an hdd I think that's why people dont appreciate them around here

will literally never go back to using a rig without ssds in it again

trying to justify dropping 300$ on a 1tb to rid my old seagate hdd but i know prices will keep dropping

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Solid State Drives are amazing. I love mine. I got an Intel one as my main and three Samsung ones as my storage.

They've made things A LOT better than I thought they would.

I have a 1TB+ Hard Disk Drive that I used while I was a gaymen manchild, but once I grew out of that like a normal adult, I had a lot of empty space.

I still do and I don't know what to do with it. You'd be surprised how much space gaymes take up. There's really nothing to fill up the storage. I thought I'd need a 1TB SSD eventually, but it's very expensive and not worth it right now. Besides, I don't even use up the space I have now. Mostly just backup and small things. So, I don't know what to do with this drive. Or any of the other ones.

Oh well...

>>56444356
>trying to justify dropping 300$ on a 1tb to rid my old seagate hdd but i know prices will keep dropping

Same here. It just doesn't make any sense yet. Maybe when they're $100, but not now.

Like everyone else has said, Solid State Drives are where it's at. I much prefer them over mechanical hard drives in terms of dependability and speed.

The only downside is they're more expensive per Gb, of course.

Anybody have any recommendations for a really well-built SSD? One that'll last eons?

>>56444356
>>56444433
I use a SSD for my OS and some games, all of my movies and shit goes onto my HDD. Really the best way to go.

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>>56444596
Samsung or Intel is your only option. Samsung more so.

>>56430540
Autism guy

>>56429494
bought a sm951 right before they announced the 950 series
waiting to get some spare income to upgrade

non-pcie ssds are basically frauds
the performance gap between sata and pcie is real

>>56428993
I have an Intel non volatile memory prototype we play around with at work that's coming to market something in 2017. Right now they are addon cards but soon will be SRAM sized and built into the mb or CPU.

This is going to change the game, gigantic memory storage at SRAM speeds available to consumers. The experimental dbms we played around with on it is lightning fast can only imagine how fast future games will be, essentially you have L3 cache speeds as a storage device that retains memory so no need to ever flush out to disk or cache.

>>56444743
Also, this means the vast majority of programs will have to be rewritten as they are all designed to accomodate the slow speeds of disk/IO access.

For example in memory dbs who access 20 ns latency have to be totally rewritten from ssd latency that is 45,000 ns and SATA3 drive latency that is 10,000,000 ns. Basically everything will need to be redone from scratch when this storage becomes widespread and blocks are dumped.

>>56444614
I just don't like hearing my HDD all the time. I can hear them with my headphones on. I thought about just using a docking station, but I don't want to constantly move things around and plugging things in.

>>56444596
>>56444632
Sandisk is good too.

i have a 500 gb EVO 950

>>56431050
Only if you dont have a job
if i bought a drive for @ $200 today and a year from now its $100 i paid $100 for the convince of having it a year early.
thats less than a day's pay

>>56444729
>waiting to get some spare income to upgrade

You realize the SM951 is the exact same thing as the 950 right? or what are you planning to upgrade to that's better than that? I don't know of anything. In fact the SM951 has a 1TB model so that's probably the best you can get besides maybe 750

>>56436963
Enjoy your latency

>>56429111
I save 30 seconds

>>56428993
Honestly I didn't realize how great they were until I went to a computer that didn't have one.

It was nice, and noticeably more responsive but holy fuck everyone needs an SSD for boot.

>>56429675
What's a relocated sector?

>>56437562
I'd say the SSD.

Get 2 in RAID 1 and you'd pretty much be good for life.

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Do I need an SSD?

>>56445513
No?

>>56428993
I have these useless Samsung 850 Pros lying around doing more or less nothing. (Two drives, 128 GB each)

Any ideas on what I could use them for? I added one as a L2ARC device and one as a ZIL SLOG + swap (yes, the whole thing) but they're still mostly just idling and being useless.

I initially raved about them but right now it's probably the most pointless and useless tech purchase I've made in recent years.

>Get SSD
>everything is literally faster
>game ports dont have anymore stuttering issues

>>56429675
I would like to reiterate that this test was done on cheap consumer drives from several generations ago which in turn only sustain a fraction of what a modern SSD will

The SSD they used in particular are rated for like 20k P/E cycles, whereas modern SSDs will have 100k+

>>56445603
sell them on ebay.

>>56445684
No way

1. Would leak personal data. (Hard to wipe SSDs reliably, I don't trust secure erase and my BIOS also freezes the drives)

2. ebay is a piece of shit scum website. I wouldn't touch it or PayPal with a 100m stick

3. I may end up wanting or reusing them for some system at a later point in time, so I'd rather hold on to them in the meantime

>>56429675
But what's sad is that SSDs are actually more prone to incidental failures (failures that will corrupt a filesystem/sector, but not be catastrophic and is fixable by a simple format/reinstall) than HDDs.

>>56445708
The tinfoil is real

>>56445513
So are SSD users mad that good HDDs on a good OS rival their "super" read times?

>>56445711
Source on this please?

>>56445764
Internet.

>>56445801
idiot fuck

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>>56429675
>leave computer with SSD unpowered for summer vacation
>air conditioning turned off of course since no once home
>come back after nice vacation
>the heat causes cells to fail and leak electrons, corrupting data
Retards will defends this. Granted, SSDs do have their merits, but not as a replacement for magnetic storage, which doesn't inherently degrade like flash storage does.

>>56445857
>can't google
>calls me an idiot fuck
Sigh. Kids.

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I'm thinking about getting another ssd for games. I'm starting to get fucked over here

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does WD make ssd's ? I cant be bothered to look

>>56429111
This is how we know you've never used an ssd.

>>56446031
Brand loyalty is dumb. Just buy whatever fits your needs.

placebo

>>56429845
It's far less likely than you realize. I've had my ssds turned off for weeks at a time with no data loss.

Hey retards
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ssd-wont-lose-data-if-left-unplugged-after-all.html
No, they don't lose data due to being unplugged.

>>56428993
> It was pretty solid after that.

How do I secure erase a PNY SSD?

Peasants. M.2 shall rule!

>>56446261
Trim secure erase command

>>56446138
oh, I can assure you my build was a coincidence, I just had alot of WD harddrives lying about that I could slot in. The Kingston was also just the cheapest for the size I wanted

>>56446031
There's only like 5 or so companies that make NAND flash anyway so you're just buying a rebrand with whatever controller they go with (usually sandforce dogshit)

>>56428993
That one indie game made in java now loads much faster wew, thank you ssd disks!

>>56446412
Try playing fallout 4 in a hard drive after playing it on an ssd. You'll kill yourself.

>>56446498
Playing any modern Bethesda game makes me want to kill myself

No /sshd/ here? Reliability of HDD plus near-SSD throughput via firmware controlled solid state cache. Best of both worlds bby

>>56446594
Actually the worst of both worlds

>>56446594
How much SSD space do you have and can you directly control what you put on the SSD portion?

>>56446594
It's literally the worst of both

>>56446594
>reliability
Due to the risk of mechanical failure, ssds are far more reliable. The only benefit to sshds is the price/performance point. They're faster than hdds and cheaper than ssds.

>>56446005
what a fucking retard

>>56447004
What's wrong? He wants his games to load faster.

>>56446903
>>56446670
Question here

What would be faster? Two 7200rpm drives in RAID0 or an SSHD in RAID0? Those SSHD drives do seem to be faster but I wonder if it works the same in a RAID config.

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Anyone ran into a problem similar to this one?

SSD disk usage spikes up to 100% doing basic shit like extracting zip files or running install wizards.

I think it might be a problem with the pirated version of windows 8.1 I'm running but if anyone else knows something [spoiler]pls respond[/spoiler]

>>56446283
M.2's only a fucking form factor, not a different kind of drive. In addition to that SSDs are the only kind of drive on the M.2 form factor.

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>>56447861
Nope

I already set up this task

>>56447722
That won't work in my setup. This would be in an external USB 3.1 enclosure. I already have enough performance in my RAID5 setup.

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>>56448088
Really? You've never seen enclosures with RAID support? Granted it's fakeRAID but it does the job for temp storage.

>>56447952
>muh 32GB/s

>>56431104
you have an m.2 port below the southbridge heatsink

>>56448076
I don't get what you mean by that, all I did was to create a new scheduled task for SSD retrim to avoid defragmentation of my SSD.

It didn't work though.

>>56428993
Turning my laptop on after I put it in was weird. I was used to it making a lot more noise.

Booting up was fast as balls.

Haven't noticed a difference in battery life, probably because my laptop is plugged in almost all the time.

>>56448130
What happens if you toggle the little switch while it's running

>>56448374
Nothing. It only activates when you hold the set button.

>>56448382
Nothing shitty about Glyph drives. They're the better end of raid enclosures, just overpriced. Not that I'm paying the bill on these so.

Honestly I don't care what RAID solution to use if it matters somehow. Either the built in or a software solution, likely SoftRAID 5.

>>56448440
The data that this would be used for would be double backed and wouldn't live on the drive long anyway. I need it for fast transfer, not reliability, going RAID0 for a reason.

>>56429348
This. TF2 installed in literally 5 minutes.

>>56428993
This is the most useless fucking thread on /g/. Maybe 5 years ago this would have been valid, but even then unnecessary. SSDs are the default you don't have to convince anyone you sperglord.

>>56448470
/g/ is probably one of the last places where you can argue with people about this. People here used XP up till 2013. Also Firefox 3.6 around the same time.

>>56448470
A lot of people don't know. They just want to play video games. They don't realize that SSDs are better until you shove one in their face and they see the improvements in load times.

Difference between HDD and SSD load times are literally placebo. I bet you retards bought 4k or 144hz monitors too. Fuck off.

I put SSDs in everything. My original Xbox and PS2 both have SSDs.

>>56448529
Did you shove one up your ass too? I hear you can shitpost nearly twice as fast that way.

>>56448534
Due to the lack of moving parts it's especially useful for combating rotational velocidensity.

>>56448534
Yes its faster for everything, which is, you know, useful.
Seriously, use one from your main drive and you will never go back to spinning drives.

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>>56448607
>no difference apart from boot times

My life has not changed significantly since getting an ssd

I live in an area where outages, while not long-term, happen at times.

Not too worried about ol' bess here, but the new PC I intend to build will have an SSD and I had heard that outages could do damage to SSDs.

What sort of protection would help for that?

>>56428993

My shitty old 2009 rig and terrible internet let me load into maps before everyone else... 3 years ago.

Now enough people have them that I'm not getting as much of a headstart as I used to.

Also Corsair fucked up their early blue 60GB SSDs and had to roll out firmware updates to stop them from crashing.

Looking to upgrade from my current 240GB, but if something like 3D Xpoint comes out I might just go speed instead of capacity.

>>56449180
Well it'll be on the demanding side of gaming so it'll need a good bit of wattage. Not entirely sure where in the ballpark it'll be yet.
As for how long the outages happen, it depends. Sometimes it'll last a few seconds and other times it could be out for a few hours. The former is more common, but even then this old thing I'm using now would shut off and be forced to restart. And these will sometimes happen in quick succession.
I don't think I'd use it for extended periods if the lights were out for hours though. Probably just long enough to close everything and shut it down properly.

>>56449249
this is why i have a raid zero, before nvme came along i was always the first to load into games which meant i got first pick of vehicles in bf4. Next step will be nvme raid zero so that i cannot be touched.

>>56449286
bf4 is far to large for that and i only have 32 gb of RAM.

I'm used to Windows booting in 30-40 seconds + the time required for programs to load.

My new SSD is in windows in under 8 seconds on a cold boot, ready to be used. Was a bitch to setup though.

>>56428993
I can dual boot in under thirty seconds now. On my old HDD, I would dread whenever I had to switch OSes because it would take 5-10 minutes for the thing to restart and load everything.

Also I can stream 4K video perfectly while my old HDD would cause the stream to studder and skip.

>>56431104
snap a pic of below the damn GPU son.

>>56429650
OCZ is shit now. Go for Crucial or Samsung.

>>56449325
base game was at something like 50GB and with all the DLC it went well over 70. Not an issue when my raid zero is a pair of 240GB drives but far to large for ram. Maybe when skylake x drops i could buy enough ram but if xpoint is similar speeds i might just raid zero that instead.

>>56445951
>Makes unsubstantiated claim
>tells others to google for evidence
what?
>>56445866
>which doesn't inherently degrade like flash storage does.
Are you stupid? Are you forgetting about rotational velocidensity that can result in loss of bit-purity of your HDD? SSDs don't have this problem.

>>56430892
Crucial. They're not as fast as Samsung drives, but you really really REALLY need to fuck something up for them to fail.

The computer shop I worked in while in college lived by Crucial products after having an OEM put bad RAM in a warranty repair.

>>56449430
Are the 7x0 Evo series and older model of the 8x0s, or a different price class?

I don't care about my data too much, but I know Samsung's performance is very good. Don't want to shell out for the 8x0 series tho.

Running an 850 EVO M2ssd and by god I love this. Best investment ever.

>>56449325
Bookmarked for later. Gave it a whirl and a rough idea for what I want came up to 499 Watts. Probably going to need more than that though, depending on what I end up actually getting.
And lack of internet isn't an issue. Not for me, anyway. Half the time I'm playing something or doing something that isn't internet related, it just happens that my internet is always on.

So can I just have it on standby and not suck any watts from it until its needed or does it have to be having power sucked from it?

>>56429924
literally where?

>>56437830
I have never had an issue with Crucial products. They are rock solid.

Go for it!

>>56429348
What isp did you switch from and what do you have now?

>>56449444
Relatively new budget class
Controller is pretty bad, TLC, doesn't use vnand so you don't get the write durability of samsung's other drives.

>>56449430
>If your data is trivial to replace:
>Crucial
Literally what? I've had nothing but good experiences with Crucial stuff.

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>>56446974
>Due to the risk of mechanical failure
Nice meme.

>>56449573
Maybe I'll shell out the extra 20 for the 850 evo

>>56429675
Cost, you dumb shit.

Shaved off 2 minutes of loading times with a 850 evo, now it's 30 secs from cold boot to boot to the desktop

>>56449569
You said you were using yours right now at a certain capacity. Which sounded to me like you were using some of its battery while still having power.
I was wondering if that's what you HAD to do or if it was possibly to have it fully charged and just standing by for if anything happened.

So this thread is the first time I read about ssd data loss from leaving it off too long. Is this a big issue? I'm leaving the state for 3months and now worried about the ssd in my desktop. Should I just leave it on the whole time, or am I just being paranoid? 850 evo if it matters.

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>>56449773
The full load of my system goes through the UPS unit, and it measures the line load etc. and reports this to me interactively even while the battery is not connected.

I get full statistics including logs of all power events, self-tests etc. reported to me via USB, which I can access from the command line, system journal, or via the built-in display on the UPS device itself

Pic related

How am I supposed to remember what life was like back then? I've been using an SSD for 6 years.

It's truly mind-boggling that people are booting off mechanical hard drives in the year almost-twenty-fucking-seventeen. We seriously need to start culling HDDobos.

>>56428993
Recently installed a SSD into my PC

Windows on HDD:
5 minutes to Start up 10 minutes until all the bloatware has been loaded and the PC is usable

Windows on SSD:
Blink and everything works

WTF I love SSDs now

>>56450356
>It's truly mind-boggling that people are booting off mechanical hard drives in the year almost-twenty-fucking-seventeen. We seriously need to start culling HDDobos.
Why would you pay orders of magnitude more for the same amount of storage just so you can boot a few seconds faster?

I don't get it, personally

>>56428993
I have a Thinkpad T400. I was thinking about putting an SSD in it. Will this make a difference in overall speed, or is my computer just old and should i continue using an HDD? If it will really make this thing faster for day to day stuff, what's a good 160GiB SSD that won't shit itself in 8 months? Price is not a concern.

>>56450494
There is no computer an SSD cannot improve.

>>56450422
It's not just booting, it's everything. General performance. You never notice those 2 or 3 seconds it takes for your browser to load but once you SSD up you'll realise you've been waiting an extra 2 or 3 seconds for every single action you perform on your computer, which can add up to many minutes.

SSDs are nothing more than a /g/ meme. No one seriously uses them in industry because of the extremely limited number of writes. Also they cost a fuck ton more per gigabyte, and do not have the capacity to hold the entire operating system and applications for a modern computer workstation. The speeds are barely faster than 10000 rpm drives, especially when you consider the fact that most of your hard drive accesses are going through RAM caches anyway, you aren't going to hit the actual disk every time. The only thing SSDs have is *slightly* faster bootup times. But bootup is less than 1% of computer use time, so it's not really a metric worth optimizing for. Just hibernate your PC instead of shutting it off, or grow some pateince and wait the 10 extra seconds to boot up with a normal hard drive.

>>56450422
Because the basically 0ms access time, completely silent operation, instant loading of programs/files, and general OS responsiveness justify the extra £/GB. I keep most of my videos, porn and games on my HDD for now, but I'll be replacing that in due time. I don't really care so much about the increased transfer rates and faster boot time, but they're a nice bonus. So that meme can die.

What I personally don't get it is why HDDobos are so one-track minded, expecting a relatively new medium that's only been targetting mainstream consumers for ~3 years to be the same price as the objectively inferior technology it's replacing. Although, regardless, we're actually not that far off.

>>56450518
>No one seriously uses them in industry because of the extremely limited number of writes.
Strong words coming from someone who's been unemployed for more than 5 years.

But seriously, there's a reason they make SLC SSDs and it ain't you.
If no-one in industry is using them, why are they making so many industry-standard SSDs?

>>56450547
>paying more/GB is
>having your filesystem corrupted by fundamentally flawed drive design
>being barely faster than an HDD in real world tests
>being fooled by a bunch of tests that either exaggerate minor differences, test conditions that could never happen in real use, or outright lie to you

SSDs are garbage.

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>>56450518
>10,000 RPM drives

>>56450563
Look it's obvious you've never used one.

And you also know nothing of industry, either. Facebook uses them, google uses them, video editors use them. Almost every industry worth their beans uses them for their high intensity applications. They're used more like secondary RAM.

Firstly the write limit is fucking colossal. An SLC drive can take a 24/7 100% pounding for at least 5 years.
Secondly they're much faster in terms of access times. Write speed differences are actually the LOWEST difference. You talk about 'exaggerated minor differences', like the write speed, which is actually not that important, since it's the random access time which is important. Of which, by the way, is magnitudes faster.

>>56449467
Same here. Put it in my Tosh i7-6500u and moved my 1tb sshd to the optical bay.

Boot time went from 90 secs to under 10 and my VMs and other programs fly. no difference to rendering obviously but still the best money I have spent on computing.

>>56428993
i switched to SSD about a year ago, pulled out the platter drive, and installed the SSD, installed Linux and i was immediately hooked, boot times went from about 20 to 30 seconds to about 5 seconds, and when i launch apps like a web browser, office writer, or the Gimp, or anything it opens up and ready for use in a second, i still keep platter drives for storage as a second hardrive and external drives but i will never be satisfied with a platter drive for running an installed operating system

>>56450598
Good goy

>>56450516
>You never notice those 2 or 3 seconds it takes for your browser to load but once you SSD up you'll realise you've been waiting an extra 2 or 3 seconds for every single action you perform on your computer, which can add up to many minutes.
My browser is loaded straight from RAM. Have you ever heard of something called a disk cache?

>>56450518
wtf lol

>>56450526
>Because the basically 0ms access time
Bullshit, especially SATA SSDs are pretty damn slow and only marginally faster than hard drives; while PCIe SSDs are even more expensive. Also, you're still slower than RAM. Might as well upgrade your poorfag 8 GB setup with the same money and use disk caching instead of getting an overpriced flash drive just to speed up boots..

>completely silent operation
Bullshit. I can hear my SSDs coil whine

>instant loading of programs/files,
I get the same with my HDDs as well

>and general OS responsiveness
I'm not sure what kind of responsiveness you're referring to. Examples?

>>56450598
>You talk about 'exaggerated minor differences', like the write speed, which is actually not that important, since it's the random access time which is important. Of which, by the way, is magnitudes faster.
Unless you can afford to piss away money by building a big RAID of SSDs like google and normiebook can, you're still better off building a RAID of normal HDDs.

With a few spindles in there you'll get SSD-like IOPS while also enjoying like 20x increased capacity. Maybe throw a small log device in there for sync() performance. Enjoy best of all worlds.

protip: the only people who think SSDs speed up general responsiveness are those using piece of shit filesystems/operating systems to begin with

With ZFS I notice absolutely zero difference because ZFS keeps as much as possible in RAM anyway. I have a 99% hit rate on my frequently-used ARC cache.

What makes HDDs slow is bad caching strategy (LRU replacement), nothing else. Go switch to ZFS and you'l forget about SSDs in the blink of an eye.

>>56450846
>using ZFS
Enjoying that outdated fs, buddy? There's better alternatives to ZFS. I recall: there's one directly more optimized and overall "better" than ZFS that works off ZFS itself. Can't recall the name, however.

>>56450795
My SSD has an access time of 0.07 ms on read, and 0.05 ms on write. For comparison, WD Black is 16 ms / 5 ms.

>>56450880
>Better alternatives to ZFS
Here's a good litmus test you can apply: Are there companies which provide commercial support for your filesystem?

If no, it's not a replacement for ZFS

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>>56445708
>2. ebay is a piece of shit scum website. I wouldn't touch it or PayPal with a 100m stick

>>56428993
Every once in a while it fails to boot but I'm not too worried because I only keep my os on it.

>>56450895
Great, and my HDD-based filesystem has random (4K) access times of 0.003ms

λ cat test.fio
[global]
directory=fio-test
size=128m
blocksize=4K

[random-read]
rw=randread
λ mkdir fio-test
λ fio test.fio
random-read: (g=0): rw=randread, bs=4K-4K/4K-4K/4K-4K, ioengine=sync, iodepth=1
fio-2.8
Starting 1 process
random-read: Laying out IO file(s) (1 file(s) / 128MB)

random-read: (groupid=0, jobs=1): err= 0: pid=19893: Tue Sep  6 13:42:44 2016
  read : io=131072KB, bw=1049.2MB/s, iops=268590, runt=   122msec
    clat (usec): min=2, max=27, avg= 2.94, stdev= 0.98
     lat (usec): min=2, max=27, avg= 3.01, stdev= 0.98
...

>>56450947
Write latencies in case you're wondering

random-write: (groupid=0, jobs=1): err= 0: pid=25227: Tue Sep  6 13:47:57 2016
  write: io=131072KB, bw=354249KB/s, iops=88562, runt=   370msec
    clat (usec): min=8, max=3329, avg=10.19, stdev=22.95
     lat (usec): min=8, max=3330, avg=10.30, stdev=22.96

Sure hope you were able to justify spending money on that SSD

>>56436473
americunts have even cheaper prices

>>56445708
>ebay is a piece of shit scum website. I wouldn't touch it or PayPal with a 100m stick

They were all you had in the past at some point. SHOW SOME GODDAMN RESPECT!

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Will an SSD save my PC from exploding when it "overheats".

I just clean installed my OS onto the same HDD and it works fine now but it still has overheating issues that arised a bit before everything else started to bog down and then I decided to clean install.