Pre-Win10 End Of Line is here

Fuck, well Apple does it and they're praised, fuck this meme

Fuck Intel. For them this is karma. It's all good though, with the entire Intel line butt fucked and made obsolete, it's going to be a fresh start with Zen VS Kaby Lake. AM4 for me. Sweet night sweet prince!

>>56407633
The same applies to Zen though.

What about Linux l, it's not supported either? Too lazy to read the article.

You'll be able to run Win 7 on zen and kaby lake just fine.

>>56407723

I'm fine with that. I love my fx-8350 and want to keep that with my Windows 7/XP/obsolete OSes. Zen would be a good reason for a totally new build to put either Linux or Windows 10 on or both.

>>56407734
This is only for Windows versions. Linux will work fine.

>>56407754
Oh, so this is no news at all.

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>>56407575
Yeah this is bait. All the article is saying is that new hardware features wont be supported by MS on win7 or earlier. You can still run win7, and probably be able to work around the unsupported features with 3rd party drivers.

>>56407734
Linux is not being affected.

>>56407592
>OS X El Capitan minimum requirements
>MacBook Pro "Core 2 Duo" 2.2 15" Mid/Late 2007, 2.4/2.2GHz

Stop spreading lies please.

They tried the same shit with skylake and backpedaled like a week later because of the backlash. I don't see them going through with it this time eiter. Maybe when gen 8 or 9 rolls around.

>>56407792
>3rd party drivers
>for CPU features

Yeah that will work out just fine.

>>56407830

source?

>>56407741
Don't you need motherboard drivers?

>>56407792
Are you trolling or just being an idiot?

>>56407846
How are you on a fucking website that talks about technology and you do not know this? Use google you fucking dip

>>56407575
>using Windows

>>>/v/

>>56407873

Just shut the fuck up and give me your source. Burden of proof dipshit.

>>56407874
well, my CAD software doesn't work on loonix

>>56407885
I wasn't even the person who posted it, I am just calling you out for being a fucking highschool tool.

Fuck off faggot

These assholes realize that VMs still run on the processor right? Lol.

I mean a lot of old software systems can't be maintained without their windows 95 vm.

>>56407792
>All the article is saying is that new hardware features wont be supported by MS on win7 or earlier. You can still run win7, and probably be able to work around the unsupported features with 3rd party drivers
Intel has said that if you don't support all the new power savings states their cpus (skylake and forward) might not operate properly and can even be damaged.
How true that actually is I don't know, but it certainly made a lot of kernel devs uneasy when skylake was new and Linux only supported a few if the states.

>>56407931
...and your point is?

>>56407799
Yeah, that's great and all but windows 10 will run on a pentium 4. New software on an old machine isn't the issue here, it's old software on a new machine. How well does Tiger run on a brand new computer? You know what, that's unfair, Tiger is older. How about Snow Leopard? That was released at the same time as windows 7, it's not even fucking supported any more.

>>56407973
Those systems can't be maintained using new hardware on VMs. How are you not following this?

>>56407931
So your solution to Windows 7 not supporting the new features natively is to run Windows 7 through a virtual machine? I hope that's not what you're suggesting because that would be beyond retarded.

>>56407983
Apple sells both software and hardware.

Can confirm and I am now running Windows 10 thanks to my Skylake processor only supporting W10 out of box. Had no DVD drive and the USB ports are 3.0 exclusively on the Z170-A mobo, so I couldn't install the drivers on W7.. Forced to 10. RIP

>>56408159
Again, absolutely irrelevant. Will Snow Leopard run on a new macbook? Will all features be supported?

>>56408188
You could have made a small partition on the HDD, extracted the windows 7 install ISO onto it and set it as a bootable drive. There's always a workaround.

>>56408220
Not that guy but when I upgraded to 10.7, my snow leopard disc magically stopped being able to boot.

>>56408050
No. I'm talking about development VMs that have a curtailed environment that are often shared on projects. Having to add in the variable "this might not work because of a ridiculous money grab by Microsoft" makes these VMs no longer portable.

There are some systems floating around written in some crazy old stacks that need a VM running an OS from the mid 90's. If those VMs can't work on new processors because of some hardware deficiency, it would kill those development routines over night.

>>56408261
Are you intentionally pretending to be dense for comedic effect? It's not about the old install media working on an old machine, it's about the old software not supporting the new hardware. This cannot be stated any simpler.

>>56408376
But that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Would you really call not supporting a twenty years old operating system and cash grab? How long does Microsoft have to continue patching an old operating system your company bought for $20 back in the 90s?

>>56407754
>Linux will work fine.
>Linux
>Works
>Fine

>>56408439
nice meme vedditor

>>56407575
This wording pisses me the fuck off. No new processor will require Windows 10. Period. Windows 10 may be the only Windows version to support the new processors, but it's definitely not the only operating system that will.

>>56407799
>Apple
>Hardware support

Is this some sort of joke dimension that you're posting from?

Somebody needs to ASSassinate the POO in charge

>>56408430
According to accounting and project stakeholders... Indefinitely.

>>56407952
Meh intel had that shitty meme with their haswell c states and there weren't a lot of problems except sleep-state related stuff. Whatever the sleep state just disable it. We're efficient enough imo to not warrant a Win10 installation.

>>56407983
>running old software on new hardware
I see no reason to do this, especially on OS X
Have fun with ux and security flaws

>>56408623
>I see no reason to do this, especially on OS X
Then please tell that to those who run windows 7. Enjoy the shitstorm.
>Have fun with ux and security flaws
Yes, that should be highly entertaining.

Putting that aside, the original point to this chain of responses was the an anon confusing new software running on old hardware vs. old software running on new hardware. These are two completely separate issues and Apple are far, far worse than anyone else when it comes to the latter.

Why are people using Windows again?

>>56408784
video games

Will this affect me if I run Windows 7 in a virtual machine?

>>56408784
There's a /v/ leak

How much longer until ARM grows some balls?

>>56408784
.NET framework VS
AutoCAD
Photoshop
Office

>>56408831
>ARM
Hopefully never. MIPS, POWER, RISC-V, and friends are all better alternatives.

>>56408873
Well fuck how much longer until any other processor grows balls and knocks Intel off the top spot?

>>56408852
Take care of those and Windows is pretty much finished, Open Source has had 15 years to catch up and still isn't there yet. AutoCAD from 2002 is still more advanced by miles compared to the Free CAD alternatives.

>Using Windows.
Found the problem.

>>56407575
Windows10 is just shit. It pisses me off how things just got progressively worse from Windows 7 onwards.

>>56408852
Most people who say Photoshop dont even need Photoshop. I do webdev and usually just GIMP my shit up.

I liked Adobe Fireworks but thats discontinued.

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>>56408893

When Intel's architecture patents expire

>tfw you'll be dead

>>56407592
That's a bad comparison, because Windows 10 is adware and Windows 7 and OS X aren't.

>>56407575
As long as I can run FreeBSD and GNU/Linux on that I really don't give two shits what Micropenis does.

>>56408908
I see your point but Photoshop is just one piece of the puzzle, you need all of the pieces to defeat the monster

>>56408998
Two cups of tea for this gentleman.

I mean, eventually someone will build a way for them to be backwards compatible, right?

Right?

>>56409169
They will be compatible with 7/8.1 regardless.

>>56408220
Why would anyone want to use an old version of OS X? OS X updates are *always* free.

On the other hand, I do have many good reasons to keep using a Windows 8 Pro, which I paid for years ago. And by the way, Windows 8's EOL is in 2018, so am I being ripped of by Microsoft?

”
"
the fuck are those quotation marks above?

Windows 10 is already a success.

>>56407575
Apple does it.

Also, they have a shit skin running shit now. That's why. Bring ballmer back

>>56408784
Because OEMs are being forced to, that's why.

>>56407592
Apple doesnt sent everything to the NSA/FBI

>>56409379
>Bringing the absolute madman back...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE

>>56408852
>.net framework
open sourced
>autoCAD
apparently everyone on /g/ works with CAD, you can also hop to OSX.
>Photoshop and office
I use them daily on my Mint installation.

>>56409333
>I do have many good reasons to keep using a Windows 8 Pro
Such as?
>And by the way, Windows 8's EOL is in 2018, so am I being ripped of by Microsoft?
Exactly what I'm trying to drive home here. Why are the criticisms of windows suddenly not valid when we're talking about OS X.

Putting aside the free upgrade you failed to avail yourself of, because that's irrelevant to this discussion.

>>56409420
Bwahahahahahaha

Not gonna happen.

/thread

>>56409420
>>56409273

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>>56407575
While kinda dick-ish, I understand.
In Windows 10 they added some shitty intel power management stuff that they didn't backport to 7 and 8.
Doesn't mean it won't run Windows 7, it just means you'll fall back to good old ACPI.

>>56409457
>I use them daily on my Mint installation.
Wine or no?

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APPLE PLEASE JUST RELEASE OS X FOR ALL COMPUTERS!

Now is your fucking chance to steal the throne.

>>56407885
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Skylake+windows+10+exclusive

> the register

wew lad

>>56409860
Apple makes most of its margins on hardware and not software

>>56409939

Yeah but they could start making money with software.

>>56407575
Try running all as shit Linux kernel versions on modern processors and get back to me.

>>56410002
*old

>>56407575
It's gonna work fine with Windows 7 and 8.1. You can always install drivers.

I can see linux support getting a spike, maybe by late 2017 at least 10-15% of users on steam will be using linux.

>>56407575
microsoft got absolutely wrekt in europe for trying to include internet explorer with windows. I highly doubt they will successfully make a software-hardware monopoly.

>>56409860
There's no place for gay's shit. Install Gentoo.

I will finish them off, don't worry. I'll be back with a patreon link so you just donate to that and I will end Microsoft's terrible reign.

>>56407575
the EU's going to freak

>>56407575
as long as you can use linux/bsd on them i see no issue. why would anyone want to run an outdated os anyway? Most people here with windows only use it for games, so i see no issue.

>>56411028
>why would anyone want to run an outdated os anyway?
Because the newer version is ass?

>>56407575
I wouldn't worry tbhonest familia. The strongest i7 out now isn't even Skylake yet (i7 6950 is broadwell) so you won't be lacking computing power on a Win 7 for a long time to come.

>>56410137
I don't like MS, but that was total bullshit. What next, the EU demands that MS mustn't set default application to any files, so the users have to pick everything during install?

>>56411232
That would be great

>>56410137
>>56411232

To be honest, it was just a scam to get some money off an American company.

Rich American companies need to be taxed somehow.
Using an arbitrary legal system is how the EU does it.

>>56411090
Performance didn't increase much in the last generations because immersion lithography was reaching its limits.

With EUV now entering production you can expect much bigger jumps in performance over the next generations.

>>56408188
Learn to use DISM to inject the USB 3 drivers into your installer.

>>56411941
And let me be more specific, before you try it out. You need to inject the drivers into the Windows Installation index of the wim. It would also be smart to inject them into the Windows 7 package (Home/Pro/etc) index of the wim as well.

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.universityherald.com/amp/articles/39323/20160902/processor-analyst-windows-7-8-and-8-1-will-support-intel-core-kaby-lake-processors-full-details-here.htm

Stop spreading lies, you homoeopathic original poster

>>56408439
how many distros have you actually broken?

>>56407575
whatever. when i upgrade from i5 2500k there might be something else than intel or amd.

>>56407575
I used my Athlon 2 until like 2013, I can probably ride this 8350 for another ten years, fucking try me.

>>56409860
You can install os x on a ton of hardware, it just doesn't ship with it.

>>56412067
>some anal analyst should be more credible than intel/microsoft itself!

Could someone explain what the fuck is so special about these new processors that you wouldn't be able to run Win7 on them? You can run Windows 95 on every Intel chip released thus far.

Also business called and crushed Microsoft's bluff when they tried to pull this shit with Skylake, I guarantee they'll do the same here.

>>56408159
>licensing requirements
>>56407799
That's not the point. They tell Intel to make them chips personally for their devices. Windows hasn't done that in recent times.

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>>56409860
>RELEASE OS X FOR ALL COMPUTERS

Apple is a fucking joke and can't even make OSX stable on its tiny handful of hardware configurations, much less billions of different configurations.

>>56413919
You can run W7 on them just fine.

I repeat. You can run W7 on them just fine.

I repeat again. You can run W7 on them just fine.

You just get no official support for it. And all the new Kaby Lake power saving features, especially mobile, sleep, etc, won't work properly.

This entire fucking thread is just morons who can't read.

>>56413919
Nothing, it's just BASED saint nutella trying is damndest to get even one more win10 sale because as of now it has only just barely passed XP usage shares by despite the malware-style force installs strategy and free price.

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>>56407575
Just fucking use Windows 10, you shit lords. It's better in every way than Windows 7 (besides the retard decision to split the control panel in half into the Settings app).

Seriously what is the point of sticking with 7? I've been using 8/8.1/10 since their releases. For the last two months, I switched back to Windows 7 because everyone was singing its praises. It's perfectly usable, but missing tons of minor improvements/conveniences made by 8/8.1/10, not to mention DX12, the subsystem for Linux (bash), and improved performance in general.

>>56414985
Thank you for correcting the record, rajesh.

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>>56414985
By the way, it takes about 5-15 minutes to download, install, and setup classic shell to make your start menu perfect for you.

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>>56415035
>16:9 with horizontal taskbar

End you'reselve.

>>56407633
>with the entire Intel line butt fucked and made obsolete
Are you retarded anon? Windows 10 supports everything, up to Kaby Lake and Zen. W7/W8 will "not support" Kaby Lake/Zen. How the fuck does this obsolete anything? Every single CPU above minimum requirements that Intel or AMD has ever made works with W10, fucking nothing is obsolete.

It's W7 and W8 on the software side they want to obsolete, not hardware.

Also, I hope everyone knows that "not officially supported" and "literally won't run" aren't the same things. Kaby Lake and Zen should technically be able to run W7/W8 just fine, what MS (and Intel) can however do is not provide drivers for various new system peripherals, thus potentially making older versions of Windows much less usable (or not usable at all).

>>56415019
>pajeet response for when you can't make any real counterpoints
I think proprietary software is unethical and ideally shouldn't exist, but if you decide to run it, then I don't see any reason to stay with something that has less features and takes more effort to maintain.

>>56415069
I get that it takes up less room when it's vertical, but

- it looks ugly as fuck to me (100% subjective)
- most non-Windows systems put their bars on top, so I like to keep it consistent between OSes when possible
- a majority of window elements are the top of the window. With the task bar on top, I feel like my eyes and mouse have to do less jumping back and forth between the top and bottom of the screen.

Okay, if you have to work on Windows at the office, I get it. I spent decades grinding code on Windows before I finally got a job at a real tech company.

But if that's the case, why in the name of all that's reasonable are you still using Windows?

Gaming, maybe?

Aside from that, I can only imagine two possibilities: (1) stupidity, (2) masochism.

>>56415206
0.6025 rupees were deposited in your account.
Kindly do the needful.

>>56414985
>looks ugly as fuck
>can't manually control updates
>spies on you
>bloatware and ads
>doesn't support some stuff which works on win 7
If you want bash then you may as well use a propper UNIX system and get all the benefits.

>>56415259
The main reason is games, but also MS Office like you mentioned, most Adobe products, and as a developer, you reach the largest audience with Windows. Oh, also a majority of people are only familiar with Windows, most know about Macs, but very few know what Linux is and most of them only know of Ubuntu.

indians have no ethics

Because, you know, Intel and AMD were pushing out drivers for Windows 3.1 for the Core 2 and Athlon X2 era systems...

because it's only a matter of time before google competes with microsoft on its own turf or a linux distro exists that people don't mind using.

Microsoft has to ensure it's peoples' only choice before it's too late

>>56415473
>looks ugly as fuck
Again, completely subjective, but I like the flat/metro style. I hate the way they split the UI in half and force people to use a touch screen interface when most don't have a touch screen.
>can't manually control updates
I don't care about controlling updates.
>spies on you
Every version of Windows does this, as well as potentially any proprietary software. If you use Windows at all, your data is completely compromised to Microsoft/NSA/PRISM/etc. I say that 10 has more conveniences and features than 7.
>bloatware and ads
Find any statistics that say 7 performs better. Also whether or not there are ads depends on the hardware manufacturer.
>doesn't support some stuff which works on win 7
What the fuck is "some stuff"? Oh yeah, nothing.
>>56415473
I do run Debian GNU/Linux, but I boot into Windows for a variety of Windows-exclusive tasks. Bash in Windows is just a nice convenience (which is unavailable in 7).

>>56415667
>if you ignore everything, nothing exists
>therefore the poo on the street doesn't exist
>QED
Pajeet, please

>>56409860
do you realize how much work that would require. Are you stupid? It would take years for apple to make OS X compatible with every type of hardware that exists.

>>56415667
>Again, completely subjective, but I like the flat/metro style.
You asked for reasons why people don't upgrade. This is a valid reason. whether or mot you personally like it doesn't mean shit
>I don't care about controlling updates.
Again, it's not about what you care about.
>Every version of Windows does this, as well as potentially any proprietary software. If you use Windows at all, your data is completely compromised to Microsoft/NSA/PRISM/etc.
Telemetry can be disabled in win 7 (a benefit of being able to control updates). Obviously it's not a guarantee of privacy but it's miles better than what windows 10 does.
>What the fuck is "some stuff"? Oh yeah, nothing
I haven't used windows for a year ao I can't say. Off the top of my head povohat's mouse accel drivers (http://accel.drok-radnik.com/old.html) only worked on win 7. I just looked at his website and apperently he's found a better way to do it so that win 10 is supported now.
>unavailable in 7
Muh cygwin
>Also whether or not there are ads depends on the hardware manufacturer.
There are ads for the store in the start menu.

>>56415667
>I don't care about controlling updates.

Why do I have to breathe the same oxygen as "people" like this?

>>56408923
Hold on, x86 was patented in 1985. Patent expiration term is 20 years.

Why didn't Intel's patent expire yet?

>>56416248
it has, but what the fuck is anyone gonna do with a modern day 486?

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>>56414985
I'm still on XP. What are you gonna do, pal?

>>56416409
I'm gonna enjoy a better operating system with more features and conveniences while you have fun on your presumably ancient hardware. You should really just install GNU/Linux if you don't absolutely require XP.

>>56416194
>This is a valid reason.
Sure, if you don't like the look then avoid it entirely.
>It's not about what you care about
also >>56416222
I don't care about controlling updates because I don't see the benefit of doing so. Updates are for actual improvements, new features, bug fixes, performance, etc. rather than the supposed *bloat and botnet* that's emphasized as such a problem on /g/. By using any proprietary software, you open yourself to that risk, so avoiding telemetry is wasted effort to me. More often than not, you aren't protecting yourself, you're just depriving yourself of improvements and fixes.
>Obviously it's not a guarantee of privacy
It's definitely the illusion of privacy. You're 100% fucked in all versions of Windows.
>cygwin
Ubuntu/Bash for Windows is basically native Linux binaries running, while cygwin is a bunch of ported binaries in a mock-unix environment. They each have pros and cons.
>There are ads for the store in the start menu.
Takes minutes to remove manually or install Classic Shell over it. Tiny, unobtrusive ads sure are reason enough to avoid an entire OS.

They can't even handle their own brand hardware and they expect to...

For fucks sake, Linux people. Get your shit together so we can finally move on.

>>56408188
>>56411941
>>56411976
This. It's easy as fuck to install Windows 7 on Skylake if you have no USB 2.0 ports.

Literally just inject your USB drivers into install.wim and boot.wim.

>>56407575
>less code, fewer bugs

here's the pseudocode for what will actually happen:

Windows CPU driver version 10.gay:

check what version is being used

if != W10, pop up a message saying "incompatible OS" and quit

else install standard.driver

They never said it won't work only that it's "not supported" i.e. they are choosing not to release drivers that work on previous versions of windows, there is likely zero actual incompatibility. Exactly like faggy printer manufacturers do to force people to buy new printers

>>56417994
That's easy to get around to though

>>56408188
>windows 7 releases
>usb3 released later
>omg wtf why wangblows ISO doesn't magically have drivers for things from the future that haven't been invented yet?!?!?!?
>fuk M$ im buying a mac!

You retards have been complaining about USB3.0 drivers for literally 8 years.

>wonder if I should update to Windows 10 or Ubuntu
>update to Windows 10 because I'd prefer to keep MS Office
>when W10 is installed it deactivates my Office 2010
>now I have no reason to use Windows 10 anymore
welp

>>56415756
> hackintosh

literally 90% of the PCs out there are 100% supported.

>>56418802
see >>56414100

wtf i hate intel and amd now

>>56417446
>I'm gonna enjoy a better operating system with more features and conveniences while you have fun on your presumably ancient hardware.

Well honestly I cannot think of a "convenience feature" that came since XP.

There is none.
Maybe the Exposé clone in 10? But it's so buggy at time, it's just shit.

Maybe DX11 if you are into games?

>>56418808
Well yeah, Microsoft also caused reboot loops and whatnot even at 7/8 times. And now? It's a clusterfuck. Every "cumulative update" breaks a dozen of things while it's supposed to fix shit.

It's a real ugly clusterfuck now.
OS X is still more like the old 7/8 model, the 10 LTSB branch, which are all a LOT more preferable on a business/daily work PC.

I mean who the fuck wants to be a guinea pig?
It's like paying for Fedora Rawhide...

>>56409457
>apparently everyone on /g/ works with CAD
Every Windows user on /g/ is also a part-time professional music and video producer. Very busy people. I'm not sure how they even find time to post here.

Intel and MS are really determined to crash the PC market. The last of the OEMs will die or quit soon.

Welp, looks like I'm a Macfag from now on

>>56418836
>oh noes ms won't support latest hardware on their newest OS version

>i'm going to switch to a brand that drops all OS support every year for any version older than 3 years

Btw guys, I have a question.
How comes AMD did not just stand up and said "Hey, no worries, our processors will work back to 7?"

I mean, that could have been a good stunt.
Like how Playstation 4 did that "how to share games" video.

>>56418974
Because Intel's does too you fucking mong. >>56414143

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Windows 8.1 is the comfiest OS.

If you remove the fullscreen apps and the store there is nothing wrong with it.

>>56419014
>there is nothing wrong with it.
It's non-free

>>56408852
AutoCAD will move to web soon ;)

>>56407575
is it the year of the Linux desktop yet?

come on people, work with me here and make it the year of the Linux desktop!!!

>>56407575

Is it really not going to work? they said that about chips that are already on the market and working now. What they meant was we will not go back and patch windows 7 to take advantages of features like the os being able to throttle down the cpu to save power.